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SB Nation Small Market Roundtable: Big, Shiny New Stadiums

The second week of the SB Nation Small Market Roundtable is upon us, meaning that Pride of Detroit has the honor of hosting topic #2.  Last week things got underway over at Big Cat Country, the Jacksonville blog here at SBN, to discuss relocation.  That really didn't have much bearing on Detroit as there is absolutely no chance the Lions will really ever move somewhere else.  This week's topic does relate back to the Lions as it is discussing new stadiums in the NFL.  Ford Field opened in 2002 and today is still considered one of the finest in the league.

Basically, the point of this roundtable is to gather the blogs that represent the teams in small markets to discuss some of the hot topics relating back to the aforementioned teams.  Some of you probably would say that the Lions aren't a small market team, and I'd even have to agree with you to an extent. However, though the market they play in is quite large, the fanbase is dwindling due to the recent lack of success.  Either way, the topic today is new stadiums, and we all can talk about that here in Detroit.

When Ford Field opened in 2002, it was seen as something great for the Lions and something even better for the city of Detroit.  The Pontiac Silverdome, the former home of the Lions, had lots of tradition filled in it from the days it opened in the 70's to the days of Barry Sanders in the 90's.  It was a great place to play, but a new stadium was really needed.

It was time to move the Lions back to Detroit.  Plans would be drawn up right around the same time the Tigers decided to build Comerica Park, meaning the two would open within a couple of years of each other to help the revitalization of downtown Detroit.  How did this process get started?  Take a look at this timeline.

August 20, 1996: Lions announce plans to build new domed stadium in downtown Detroit.

November 5, 1996: Voters in Wayne County overwhelmingly approve a referendum by the largest margin of victory in NFL stadium election history (68-32 percent) which will allow the Detroit Lions to build a domed stadium in downtown Detroit adjacent to a new baseball park for the Detroit Tigers.

That vote on November 5 was huge. Without public support, building a brand new stadium gets even tougher than before. Luckily for Detroit, the vast majority of people were on board with the proposal, meaning that plans could go forward.

In late 1999, ground was broken and the final plans to build Ford Field were announced. During the actual construction, the Lions got big news regarding Super Bowl XL. On November 1, 2000, NFL owners unanimously voted that Detroit would host SB XL, giving a buzz to an already historic project. Ford Field would be the host, and as we saw when the Steelers took home the title in Detroit last year, the overall expereince was great.

Construction finally was completed and Ford Field opened in August 2002. Since then, it has been an architectural masterpiece. Whether it be the outside or inside appearance, both rank near the top of the NFL. The incorporation of the Hudson's Warehouse also is such an interesting aspect of Ford Field. The building was on the land where it was built, but part of the warehouse was and is actually used as the luxury boxes, press box, and restaurants on one side of the stadium.

Aside from the actual building of the stadium, one of the main things to focus on is the actual economic impact it has on the Lions and the city of Detroit. For the Lions specifically, it provides a brand new stadium that is top-notch and will serve as this team's home for the next however many years. Nearly every week, despite the team being so bad, the seats are almost always close to being filled. Overall, the Lions have benefited greatly already from Ford Field.

Looking at it from the actual city point of view, the impact has been simply amazing. The opportunities have and will continue to be endless. As already mentioned, Super Bowl XL came to Detroit because of this stadium and was just absolutely great. On top of that, here are some other events that have or will be coming to Ford Field:

  • MAC Football Championship (Yearly)
  • Motor City Bowl (Yearly)
  • Wrestlemania 23 (April 2007)
  • Michigan High School Football Championships (Yearly)
  • 2008 NCAA Men's Basketball Regional Semifinal and Final
  • 2009 NCAA Men's Basketball Final Four
  • 2010 NCAA Men's Ice Hockey Frozen Four
As you can see, Detroit is getting a huge economic boost from all of the sporting events that have and will be coming to Ford Field each year. At a time like this where the entire city's economy is so bad, anything like this helps greatly.

In the near future, the Indianapolis Colts and Dallas Cowboys are going to open new stadiums of their own. Many other teams are looking to do the same, but haven't yet got past the preliminary stages of funding and approval and things like that. The road to finding a big, shiny new home is tough. Some teams, such as Detroit, are lucky enough to have the support to be able to play in a new stadium. Others are left hoping that someday they can do the same.

Eventually, team after team after team will build a new stadium in the NFL as it will be a necessity someday. There will be the stadiums like Soldier Field and Lambeau Field that are modernized via renovations and don't need to be replaced, but they are a select few. The reality of it is that in today's world, stadiums like this are a need for NFL teams. It doesn't reach that team alone as the economic impact is felt throughout the surrounding areas. Just look at Dallas already. They will host a Super Bowl because of their new stadium. The Cotton Bowl is moving there, and probably many other big events will make their way through. Same with Indianapolis' new Lucas Oil Stadium. That will bring opportunities down the road.

I've rambled on long enough, so leave your own thoughts in the comments section. Is your team trying to build a new stadium? Has it already? If so, what were your thoughts on the situation?

Stay tuned for next week's Small Market Roundtable and until then, thanks for reading and Go Lions.

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Great write-up, Sean
Interesting read.  It's important to point out that Detroit was chosen for this little exercise because they rank near the bottom of the league in 2006 revenue; Detroit is certainly not close to a small market, but the team isn't making nearly as much money as they probably should be.

How much of this do you think has to do with the high costs of a (relatively) new stadium? Or is it more about the lack of star power in the city until the last couple of years? (Because yeah, Calvin Johnson is already a star.)

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by Brian Galliford on May 30, 2007 8:09 AM EDT   0 recs

I don't think it's the stadium
Overall the revenue has been down due to the lack of winning.  Ford Field, to my knowledge, is probably paying for itself.  The Lions aren't suffering from that.

by Sean Yuille on May 30, 2007 7:35 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Not a fan
I will freely admit that they just about always mean good things for the team, but for the most part they are a total ripoff.

Taxpayers are forced to pay to build stadiums for billionaires to own and they rarely see a good return on the investment. They host 8 regular season games a year and maybe a few other events, but those events only serve to line the pockets of the owners when they should be going toward paying back the taxpayers who built them the stadium.

More often than not, we get sold this myth that the stadiums will generate so much extra revenue that it will make it worth the taxpayer's while. It never does. The extra revenue goes straight to the owner of the team and stadium.

If these teams want new stadiums, let them pay for it.

I'm an Eagles fan and our team recently had a beautiful new stadium built for it that's very nice and I really enjoy seeing games in. However, it's not helping anyone make all that much more money, expect of course the owner of the team. When Jeff Lurie bought the team it was worth $195 million dollars. Forbes recently valuated the club to be worth an estimated $1.024 billion and one of the top 3-5 most valuable pro sports franchises in America. That's directly related to the fact that they own a brand new stadium. In fact, the state of PA built 4 new stadiums for teams in Philly and Pitt. Can you imagine being a taxpayer in Western PA and knowing that instead of going to something worthwhile, your taxes went towards building a billionaire all the way across the state in Philly a new stadium? How about the city of Philadelphia kicking in hundreds of millions of dollars to build 2 new stadiums when their schools are in shambles, buildings are falling down, and murder rate is one of the highest in the country?

But hey, my sight lines are better and I don't have to walk as far to get a beer.

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by JasonB on May 30, 2007 11:33 AM EDT   0 recs

Re: Ripoff
You make a good point, but I think that the opinions will vary from city to city.  Buffalo, for example, hasn't built a new stadium since 1973 and I'd say that taxpayers would be a little less upset if a new stadium ensured the long-term viability of the Bills in Western New York.  That's not a strict rule, and it doesn't mean people would be happy about it, but I still think it's a bit different than 4 new stadiums state-wide.

Just my two cents on that topic.

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by Brian Galliford on May 30, 2007 6:56 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

Agree to an extent
The taxpayers shouldn't have to pay for something when the team's probably could do it for themselves, but in Detroit's case, a new stadium was greatly wanted.  In downtown, which gets nicer and nicer each year due to new buildings or renovations, Ford Field is great.

And something I forgot to mention in the write-up, the sight lines are amazing at Ford Field.  I had seats in the last row on an angle last year and it didn't feel that far apart at all.

by Sean Yuille on May 30, 2007 7:38 PM EDT to parent up   0 recs

I agree.
Taxpayer funding for Stadiums is an insult to the idea of the "public good".  It also creates problems.  Jacksonville and the Jaguars had a pretty nasty clash over who received advertising revnues generated during the Gator Bowl and the Florida/Georgia game.  The city said (rightfully, I think) that those arn't related to the team and those monies (a pretty big amount, IIRC) should go to the City.  

Wayne Weaver declared that those were his revenues and critical to keeping the team in Jacksonville.  It resulted in a stand off with each side preparing to lose the team.  However, they found some sort of comprimise and the issue is resolved.

If owners want to avoid this sort of situation, buy your own stadium.  New England did this.  Of course, buying your own stadium means the team takes on a boat load of debt, making it in their interest to raise revnues, which pushes the cap up, which hurts the low revenue teams.

All these things have a strong connection to eachother.

Great write up Sean!

-Chris

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by River City Rage on May 30, 2007 12:12 PM EDT   0 recs

As someone whose team
Is still searching for a stadium. . .and will probably still be seeking one this time next year. . .I have a slightly different perspective on this.

First off, I honestly think that Zygi Wilf wants to keep the Vikings in Minnesota. . .and really, it would be stupid for them to leave the Twin Cities.  Minneapolis-St. Paul is (I believe) one of the top 15-20 media markets in America, the Dome has sold out for about 10 years straight, and the Daily Norseman is setting the sports world on fire.

(Okay, maybe that last one isn't true.)

But Zygi has expressed an interest in building a stadium in Minneapolis on the current site of the Metrodome.  The plan in that case would be for the Vikings to use the Gophers' new stadium (set to open in 2009) for a season or two while the new Vikings' stadium is being built.

The only problem is that Zygi has said he wants to build an open-air stadium, while the state has said they want a stadium with a roof. . .to which Zygi has said, "Hey, if you want a roof, you guys pay for the roof."  And the state legislature has basically responded by giving Zygi the finger.

I personally agree with Zygi on this.  I really wouldn't mind seeing the Vikings in an outdoor stadium again at all.  They've been playing in the Dome since I was about 5 years old, so I don't remember the old Met or anything, but it would have to be preferable to playing in the Dome.  But if the state wants a roof to hold other events and stuff, they should be footing the bill for it.

The other problem is that the state of Minnesota just approved TWO new ballparks for the Minneapolis-St. Paul area. . .the Gophers stadium I mentioned above, and a new stadium for the Twins that's set to open in either 2009 or 2010.  The Vikings have a whole lot of work ahead of them in the 2008 legislative session (the 2007 session just wrapped up) to get approval for their stadium.  However, I think that when push comes to shove, they'll get something done to ensure the Vikings don't leave the Twin Cities.

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by GonzoDN on May 30, 2007 10:19 PM EDT   0 recs

Not a bad point
In that case, I think it is fair for the city to kick in money. If they want the roof(why not a retractable roof?) they should pay for it. Totally agree.
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by JasonB on May 31, 2007 11:02 AM EDT to parent up   0 recs

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