Completely agree with Drew about the Lions REALLY going 0-16. When DanO was in the game we were playing a lot more competitive, losing by an average of 5 points a game. Now – with FAT ASS Culpepper in the game we are losing by monumental spreads, 22 pts a game or something like that. I HATE MARINELLI for keep saying he’s our guy!! WHY??? He’s terrible!! Anyway, at 0-7, 0-10 I thought they would win a game. Maybe if DanO comes back we will. As it stands now, this team is SOOO bad we should skip the debate about whether the toothless Lions will go 0-16, but instead let the debate ROAR about whether this is the worst team of all time (expanion team or not).

As far as the draft goes, I will hold out judgement until I see some changes. I want to see who the GM and Coach will be. If it’s an offensive minded coach then maybe we take a shot at Stafford, if its a defensive minded coach (PLEASE BILL COWHER) then draft a stud DT or DE or LB. The GM and Coach have got to be on the same page and establish an identity for these pathetic Lions.

Anyway, the debate will continue and, as my girlfriend said, at least we will be the talk of the NFL after the Superbowl!!! We must remain positive!!! LOL

Is that if we have to bench him the first year or two, who’s to say we won’t have a Matt Leinert on our hands, someone who never lives up to their potential. If we pick Stafford with the number one pick, then he needs to come in like Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco did this year, and play to franchise calibre. Obviously thats hard to do with this lions team, but we’d have to build a team to equal the NFL version of what Matt Stafford has around him now at the college level. If that’s not possible in one year, than you pass on the QB and build the Oline and Dline and every other position that needs work (all of defense besides Sims). Then in the 2010 draft you pick up that franchise QB. Who knows, maybe we will get Pioli and he’ll bring Cassell with him, he’s doing a pretty good job in NE this year.

It is impossible, with the measuring tools today, to pick a franchise quarterback intentionally. Look at the franchise quarterbacks in the NFL today. Only one was a first round pick, Peyton Manning. Ben Roethlisberger (sp?), Tom Brady, Tony Romo, Kyle Orton and even Matt Kassel were second round or later picks. I don’t think the Lions should waste a first round pick on trying to fix their quarterback problem. It simply won’t work.

If I was the GM (and I thank God I’m not) I’d pick all defense this year for the Lions. First we have to stop them. Defense wins championships. Then next year I’d pick offensive line. While those units gelled I’d pick up some offensive weapons like wide receivers, running backs, etc. Then when the defense and offensive lines were working well together I’d turn to the free agent market and get an experienced proven quarterback who has demonstrated leadership.

It’s better to buy than draft in this era’s NFL.

But don’t get the wrong idea, this is not going to happen to our beloved Lions. This plan would mean two more years of unprofitability for WCF. He wouldn’t stand for that. Don’t forget that the number one goal of an NFL team is to …… if you said ‘win football games’ you don’t get it. The number one goal of an NFL team from an owner’s perspective is to make money. That means putting a star player in the lineup so the fans will have something spectacular to watch. Defense may win championships but spectacular offensive fireworks sells tickets. That has been WCF’s marketing plan from day one. See Billy Sims, Chuck Long, Barry Sanders, Herman Moore, even Charlie Batch to some degree.

Actually I think we agree on the “better to buy than draft” comment I made. I agree the only realistic way to build a team is through the draft. With the salary cap no owner can be George Steinbrenner and buy a good team. You’re right. A team must be built through the draft. What I’m saying is that the hole-filling we do with the free agent market should focus on what are traditionally known as skill players, like quarterbacks. I think it’ s better to buy than draft, but the reality is that a team must use the draft as the primary building tool. There’s no real option to that.

I disagree though that a DL or OL has as much chance of being a bust as a QB. I think it’s easier overall to make the grade as a lineman than as a back. (I’m not saying the lineman’s job is easy or less valuable to a team.) For one lineman don’t live under the harsh spotlight that those who touch the ball do. Their mistakes, allowing a sack or missing a tackle, aren’t held against them like a back’s mistakes are, fumbles. So they have some anonymity that gives them time to develop into a decent pro. I also think that due to the lack of a spotlight a lineman who is only mediocre is more acceptable than a back who is average. Also keep in mind that linemen work more as a team. They back each other up, help make each other’s tackles, and double-team together. So I think drafting lineman is safer than drafting qbs. A lineman with a few imperfections can be accounted for more easily than a back with a fault. Typically the guy with the ball has no one to lateral it to if he gets himself into trouble.

Besides the ancient football wisdom I have heard is: the game is won and loss in the trenches. A bad qb given enough pass protection will find an open receiver. A good defensive rush will force a mistake, even from a franchise qb.

I agree on your point to take a QB in the draft. Look at what Atlanta did last year, they took a QB with there first an OT with their 2nd then a LB with there 2nd rounder. Their picks were pretty much identical to ours in 09. They had 2 1st rounders and 2 3rd rounders. The lions should take Sam Bradford if he declares which if OU wins the National Title and if he gets the Heisman trophy, there is a good chance that he will. With there 2nd pick they should get an OT like Jason Smith and with the 2nd round pick they should take the best LB available. Could be either Spikes or Laurinaitis. With a GM that knows his stuff and a head coach that can actually prepare our teams for their opponents I think the lions can turn things around just like Atlanta did.

Actually I take that back on drafting an OT in the first. WIth Raiola’s latest comments I think it would be smart to draft Alex Mack with that pick and try to land Meredith or Loadholt in the third round. Alex Mack would be the anchor of that line he is one of the best Centers to come out in a long long time. He is the type of leader that we want snapping the ball to our new franchise QB. Build the new Oline from the ground up starting with a center. If no tackles are left in the third round then next year we try to get a good one.

yeah I see your point plus he is one of the captains. I was just shocked that he would do something like he did. But I guess it does bring the fiery player out in him which is what we need now. If we could get a guard and a tackle then our O-line would be sure to play better.

honestly, what he did, in my opinion is not a big deal. He’s just as frustrated if not more than the fans are about the situation, and if a person (fan or not) screams obscenitys at you, then if he flips you off and calls you out then so be it, you had it coming. Sure football players are role models, but what Dom did was nowhere near as bad as all the actions we’ve seen come out of Big D this season, so get off of his back. We should be happy that he’s bothered by losing and doesn’t just blow it off when he cashes his check.

Your and idiot!!!!! he has 10 TD reception 2nd in the leauge
oh and 1165 yds reciving 3rd in the leauge.
now with all those impressive numbers where do you think he ranks in receptions?
cant guess?? 27th thats right 27th that means about every 4 times he touches the ball he takes it to the house you douchbag!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He’s the best player we’ve had since Barry! hell he could have 20 td’s if they would throw him the damb ball!!!!!!!

get your facts straight before you attempt to bring it…retard