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by 3k on Dec 30, 2008 6:31 PM EST
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Print What's up, Lions fans. 3k from TurfShowTimes here. Obviously, I'm just here to get some insight as to what you all think/want to do with the # 1 pick now that you have that forgettable (or was it unforgettable?) season behind you.
In all seriousness, how do you guys not draft Bradford or Stafford at #1? You guys haven't had a franchise QB since Bobby Layne. I understand the sentiment from Bosco's thread, but how would you convince a useful FA to play for you guys right now? Personally, I think your franchise would be best suited in drafting B-ford or S-ford and giving him a year under Daunte with whomever you hire as head coach to mentor him. You guys still have Calvin Johnson and the #20 pick. If Maualuga is still on the board, he'd be a nice pick up. It would at least give you youth and talent at the 2 core positions on each side of the ball with a playmaker in Johnson and the experience Kevin Jones brings.
Look, the Lions have an absolute ton of work to do. But to try to do it by filling in the edges won't give you the foundation to build on. I would think the 3 things you need most going forward are a QB, a MLB (not named Paris), and a front office. Just my thoughts. Hit me up with yours.
(Oh, and if you want to see my most recent mock draft, have at it)
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The two things that all big teams can do is run the ball and stop the run. Our first priority should be to build the trenches and take an O-line with the first pick. We’ve had solid QBs in the past but they were never able to stay on their feet long enough to make plays. In my opinion, we need to build the line then draft the franchise QB in a few years down the road. I think Dan O is good enough to bridge the gap and we still havent given Stanton a chance.
Yeah, Sam Bradford puts up huge numbers, but he also has a better offensive line than the lions and more weapons. Stafford looks like a better choice, size and arm strength with not as many weapons, but i’m still skeptical with the current line we have.
and thanks for being a prick in the mock draft.
Prick?
Eh, it’s hard not to knock you guys right now. I guess I’m sorry.
Jay Zygmunt, now that you are going to fire yourself...have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!
by 3k on Dec 30, 2008 9:10 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, prick sounds about right.
we take enough shit from good teams. we don’t need it from a 2 win team. your mock draft blows.
Dude
Lighten up. Post your own mock draft if you don’t like his.
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by Jettero2112 on Dec 30, 2008 10:44 PM EST up reply actions
prick...
may be a bit harsh, but he does make out like the lions are so inferior to the rams. If I recall, the lions played alot closer games than the rams and had a tougher schedule. Not to mention that he makes out like we need to focus on a qb without a question well the Rams are in a position to build the trenches. Marc Bulger isn’t exactly a franchise qb, give me Kitna before Bulger for christs sake. Both top qbs smell too much of developmental bust ala Leinert.
by lions_sucker on Dec 30, 2008 11:00 PM EST up reply actions
Agree, his assessment was pretty bad
and a Rams fan really doesn’t have any room to criticize.
"Well, art is art, isn't it? Still, on the other hand, water is water! And east is east and west is west and if you take cranberries and stew them like applesauce they taste much more like prunes than rhubarb does. Now, uh... now you tell me what you know. " ~Groucho Marx
by Jettero2112 on Dec 31, 2008 12:43 AM EST up reply actions
No.
Tougher schedule? No.
Focus on a QB? Yes.
Bulger may not be a franchise QB, but he has led us to multiple playoff victories. Kitna hasn’t gotten you guys much. I would think you would be better off with Culpepper as mentor.
Jay Zygmunt, now that you are going to fire yourself...have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!
by 3k on Dec 31, 2008 9:33 PM EST up reply actions
?????????????
Matthew Stafford, QB, Georgia 4th????? that will never happen he’ll be gone 1 or 2 georgia is one of the few college teams that runs a pro style offense which makes his stock worth alot more then players rated above him. just the time saved trying to get a college QB to learn a pro system can take years and he is already that far ahead of the game.
the lions will take either stafford or a.smith or trade down for more picks
Stafford 1 or 2? Are you paying attention?
For Stafford to go 1, that means you guys have to take him, which I am willing to believe, but apparently nobody here is. And to go 2, why in the hell would the Rams take him? We have Bulger locked up for years and other holes to fill. And why would you trade down? At this point, with the #1 and #20, it doesn’t seem like trade value would be much for such an even keeled first round.
Jay Zygmunt, now that you are going to fire yourself...have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!
by 3k on Dec 31, 2008 9:35 PM EST up reply actions
Watch and See
With the new regime in they will be looking to make their personal marks if Bradford comes out the Rams and the Lions will take QB’s. The number one rule of the draft for years has been if you don’t have a franchise QB you don’t pass one up in the draft. I don’t agree that the Lions or the Rams need to draft a QB but if Stafford and Bradford come out chances are they’ll be taken 1 and 2.
Bulger is not the QB he used to be with his int/td ratio now on the downward spiral, a QB rating of 70 and 71 the last 2 years he just isn’t playing like he gives a sh*t anymore, not to say that his career is over by any means, i just think its time for a change for him to get him excited about playing again. Now if the Rams GM doesn’t see this then you WON’T draft a QB but if he see’s what the rest of us see then he surely won’t pass Bradford or Stafford up if either one of them are available. Watch and see, who’s paying attention.
Disagree
Bulger is not the QB he used to be with his int/td ratio now on the downward spiral, a QB rating of 70 and 71 the last 2 years he just isn’t playing like he gives a sh*t anymore
I couldn’t disagree more. Stats don’t prove much. His Int/TD ratio and QB rating is more a factor of a lack of quality WRs and inconsistent offensive line protection than not giving a shit. When the O-line gave him time and Holt and Avery were on the field together, Bulger was still very effective this year.
Jay Zygmunt, now that you are going to fire yourself...have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!
by 3k on Jan 1, 2009 1:43 PM EST up reply actions
man, we should def get a QB with the first pick....nah.
so the “inconsistent line protection” is the reason your QB didnt have success, YET…you would like the Lions to draft a QB to play behind a very inconsistent line. makes sense to me, clown.
again, first pick: offensive line
defense with the rest of the draft.
but i do agree with jettero in taking a shot late in the draft at the QB position.
Sam Bradford is one of the most overrated QBs out there
The Big 12 plays no defense. Bradford will be a bust in the NFL.
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I might be inclined to agree with you.
But how does that stop the Lions from drafting him? The very fact that you suggest that he is overrated means that he is, well, overrated.
Jay Zygmunt, now that you are going to fire yourself...have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!
by 3k on Dec 31, 2008 9:35 PM EST up reply actions
But do you think the Lions will resist?
If OU wins the championship, off of the trophy and a Heisman, will Detroit be able to resist the Bradford/ESPN alliance?
Jay Zygmunt, now that you are going to fire yourself...have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!
by 3k on Jan 5, 2009 9:49 PM EST up reply actions
I certainly hope so.
Who gives a crap about the Heisman trophy. That’s for what you did in college, not in the pros. Completely different game, much faster pace than college. If they do take a QB (again, defense please) I’d rather have Stafford. I sometimes wish ESPN would just go away, east coast bias and all.
"A child of five would understand this. Send someone to fetch a child of five." ~Groucho Marx
Agreed, Jettero
The Heisman means absolutely nothing in pro football. One name says it all… Eric Crouch. Bradford will not translate to the NFL as well as Stafford. That’s not saying Stafford is going to make it as an NFL QB, but he has a better chance.
No QB at #1.
No need to take a QB #1 if he’s going to be spending most of the time on his back. I believe defense should come first anyways.
1st round: I’d either trade the pick (best option but may be hard to do) or take DE Brian Orakpo with the first pick and LB James Laurinaitis, OT James Smith or LB Rey Maualuga at #20. Don’t know if either LB will still be there.
2nd round: I’d take either TE Brandon Pettigrew or OG Duke Robinson. Maybe even DT Peria Jerry if he’s still on the board.
After that it’s a crap shoot. Can always take QB Curtis Painter in the later rounds.
"Well, art is art, isn't it? Still, on the other hand, water is water! And east is east and west is west and if you take cranberries and stew them like applesauce they taste much more like prunes than rhubarb does. Now, uh... now you tell me what you know. " ~Groucho Marx
The most coherent post in this thread and yet
I can’t agree with most of it.
Orakpo at #1? Over Everette Brown? And Aaron Curry? And Aaron Maybin?! That’s a serious stretch. I doubt Orakpo would come out of the top ten. If your Lions are that keen on Orakpo, then trade the pick for weak value, get your man, and keep on.
As for your #20, I doubt Maualuga will still be around, as you say. Laurinaitis could be, depending on how the moovement shakes out after the top 6.
2nd round, if Pettigrew or Robinson are on, I’ll be SHOCKED. Those are the #1 TE (arguably) and OG (not arguably) in the draft. Jerry should be, on the other hand.
Best comment of the thread. The bar has been set…
cridg1zt, don’t bother…
Jay Zygmunt, now that you are going to fire yourself...have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!
by 3k on Dec 31, 2008 9:40 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldnt risk it
I am not confident in any of those 2 top QB choices. I just dont think they can be “franchise” QB’s and maybe its the aftertaste of the Harrington pick a few years back but i would go OL or DL and go out of my way to make sure that Rey Maualuga is locked up at 20 ( if available ) we have the picks this year. I would definitely expect us to draft a QB but i just hope its in the later rounds. I dont have the patience to watch anoher bust throw interceptions and end up on his back all year. Lets do this right, build the O line through the draft and FA market. Then go defense, defense, defense. Then QB, then TE.
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I love the playoffs more though :(
Whether it be this year, next year, or 50 years from now. The Detroit Lions will eventually win a Super Bowl............I f'n hope.
Todd McShay just released his first mock draft of '09 and surprise, surprise...
he has you guys penciled in for Bradford too as well as Andre Smith for my Rams.
Most of his picks were VERY similar to mine, except WR’s. He think’s they’ll go lower, which is a possibility, but with the lack of WR options in the last two drafts, many of the teams who didn’t grab one last year will be even more desperate this year. I just don’t think Crabtree will go as low as 10th.
Here’s McShay’s and here’s mine.
Jay Zygmunt, now that you are going to fire yourself...have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!
McShay has no credibility
I don’t take anything he says seriously anymore: http://www.thewizofodds.com/the_wiz_of_odds/2008/12/more-expert-advice-from-the-wwl.html
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One bad piece of punditry does not a fool make
but yes, he was way off.
Jay Zygmunt, now that you are going to fire yourself...have a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year!
by 3k on Jan 2, 2009 1:51 PM EST up reply actions
Mock Draft!!!
What kind of garbage is this. Detroit is a QB killer right now. O-Line and a shut down corner is needed now. Dont try to act like you know what we need. Stick to the Ram-Suckers.
by proud to bleed light blue on Jan 4, 2009 9:54 AM EST reply actions
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