Chiefs Fan's Take on Gunther Cunningham
Chris from Arrowhead Pride, SB Nation's Chiefs blog, sent me his thoughts on new Lions defensive coordinator Gunther Cunningham.
Gunther Cunningham's time with the Chiefs is really divided into two distinct periods. From 1995 to 1998 he was the team's defensive coordinator. During that time, Kansas City had a truly great defense. During Cunningham's three years as defensive coordinator, the Chiefs allowed the lowest number of points in the NFL; led the league twice in scoring defense; and the defense set a team record in 1997 with only 232 points allowed.
Cunningham also had some amazing players on those defenses. Derrick Thomas, Neil Smith, James Hasty, Dale Carter...the defense was the Kansas City Chiefs in the 1990s.
If Cunningham left the Chiefs after that 1998 season, he would be remembered in a much more positive light than he is now. His mediocre two year stint from 1998 to 2000 as the Chiefs head coach was awkward. He went .500 in those two seasons. Cunningham's success as a defensive coordinator didn't translate to being a head coach.
He came back to the Chiefs as the defensive coordinator in 2004 after being on the Titans staff for a few years. To be fair, Cunningham did inherit a terrible defensive team. Not only that, most of the draft picks made in the years before and during his time in KC would turn out to be disastrous. Here's what the team has been dealing with on the defensive side of the ball in the last 7 years.
In the last 7 years, the Chiefs have spent 4 of 7 first round picks on defense, every second round pick on defense, and 5 third rounders on defense.
And the 2008 team ranked 31st in the league in yards allowed by giving up an average of 393 yards a game.
It would be tough for any coach to deal with failure like that on the personnel side. But Gunther wasn't able to do what any coach needs to do: be successful with what you've got. In 2008, he took over coaching the linebackers and it was one of the most frantic, unorganized position groups on the team. Granted, he did deal with a lot of injuries at the position. His biggest knock is the under development of 2005 first round pick LB Derrick Johnson. Linebackers are Cunningham's specialty and DJ has vastly under performed.
With all that said, I do believe that Gunther Cunningham can be successful in Detroit. He is known for a fiery personality that, if given the right audience, can help win football games. He has lots of experience and has been successful in the past. Unfortunately, he grew stale and old in KC. A new set of players and a new look will be of great benefit to him.
It seems like the general consensus is that Cunningham was great at one time but struggled when he didn't have lots of talent to work with. That is obviously worrying to me because the Lions probably have the least talented defense in football. Even so, maybe a change of scenery will work out well for Cunningham, and maybe his fiery personality will work well to motivate defensive players on the Lions.
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re-tread
Sean, I’m not a fan of re-treads in hiring, unless they’re named Cowher or Dungy, or maybe even Shanahan. But Cunningham? Not an inspiring choice. Schwartz is a defensive guy to begin with, so maybe he won’t just turn the D loose under Cunningham’s ‘veteran’ tutelage. 40 years in coaching? That’s beyond re-tread, that’s Bowden or Paterno territory. Why not bring Lou Holtz back too? Maybe the Off.Coord. will be somewhat younger… this juror is still out.
gun was overrated
a good rah, rah in your face person, but a highly overated dc. could not teach the basics of tackling, footwork and positioning. great coaches make above average defenses out of average players. gun failed miserably in that respect. the great chief defenses of the mid-90s were a result of great players playing for an average coach.
So let me get this straight.....
The first move that Schwartz makes to help our PATHETIC defense is to hire coordinator of a defense that was 31st in the league in yards allowed ? Awful, awful, decision. Whats his next move ? Draft a WR with the first pick ?
We have dealt with bad move after bad move for years. I cant handle more of these.
someone please convince me that this was a good move
Whether it be this year, next year, or 50 years from now. The Detroit Lions will eventually win a Super Bowl............I f'n hope.
Give him a Shot!~
Kanas City was 26th in time of possession this year plus he had Herm Edwards as his head coach. I’m not saying this guy will be the greatest thing since sliced bread, but we should let the man at least get his Lions gear before we feel like were screwed.
Lets hope he is more adjustable than the Marnelli group. We just need to get rid of guys like Bodden, Redding, Dwight Smith while keep our young core with Fullen, Avril, Sims, and Bullocks.
I think it’s a great move to hire a strong veteran coordinator you know and trust—plus, he was quoted today as saying he played soft zones in deference to Edwards’ wishes. I think we’re going to release the hounds, now, if you will.
http://thelionsinwinter.blogspot.com
by ty@thelionsinwinter on Jan 21, 2009 4:40 PM EST reply actions
releasing something
they can release the hounds, lions, tigers and bears, whatever they need to inspire and motivate. just this guy doesn’t excite me. but we’ve waited this long, we might as well let them try.
Gunner
I think it’s a great hire. He was handcuffed by the outdated Tampa turd defense that Herm demanded . That defense also handcuffed Redding, Sims. Bodden, who needs to go, and others. Safeties lead the team in tackles. Linebackers should. For all you REAL men out there, here’s a sidebar. I just saw a commercial for a particular prescription drug for women to prevent “Bone Loss”. Here’s an idea. Stop filing for divorce motivated by money. Ladies, you won’t suffer Bone Loss. HA!
Football Coverage
Was watching a show after midnight, when a feminine commercial came on, so naturally I kicked over to espn NFL LIVE. The lead story was about “what if Kobe Bryant wanted to play baseball” ON NFL LIVE!!!!!! My God I hate espn!!!! Looking forward to watching the draft on NFL Network. Chris Berman can eat me as part of his new diet.
Good Hire?
I am not going to kill Cunningham for what’s been going on with the Chiefs under Edwards. The Chiefs were terrible on offense last year and the defense suffered for it. I think the Lions need guys who have experience versus young guys with “new ideas.” Rod and Joe Barry were not re-treads and we know how that worked out. These guys sound like they have a good working relationship too so I say give them a shot. After all, atleast these guys know what success looks like.
by tigerfaninChicago on Jan 22, 2009 8:22 AM EST reply actions
Gunny
Have a friend in KC who says the peeps in KC are not terribly upset with the fact that Gunny is leaving the Chiefs. In my opinion, I think it was a good hire all in all, particularly given that Schwartz is a defensive guy. It still comes down to talent and playing with what you have. I hope Gunny will be more aggressive and perhaps use man bump and run coverage. We can’t have QB’s posting a 158.3 rating against us every week. Plus, anything, anyone, is better than Joe Barry.































