Steelers Sack Lions' Comeback Attempt, Hang On for 28-20 Win
Despite a rather lackluster effort by both the offense and defense outside of a few specific drives, the Lions had a chance to score a last-minute touchdown and possibly send their game against the Steelers to overtime. A touchdown in the latter stages of the fourth quarter made it a one-possession game, and then the Lions defense made another big stop to force a punt. Daunte Culpepper completed a few big passes to move the Lions down the field, putting them only 20 or so yards away from what could have been the game-tying touchdown and 2-point conversion. That is when all thoughts of a comeback came to an end, though. Culpepper was sacked on three straight plays, and on 4th and 34, his miracle heave downfield was knocked away at the goal line. The Steelers were able to take a knee and escape with a 28-20 victory.
What is so disappointing about this game is how close the Lions were to sending it to overtime or even simply winning in regulation. When you consider how many blown chances there were all game long by the Lions on both sides of the ball, they really did give it away to Pittsburgh. Some of the blown opportunities were just unlucky, like Jason Hanson missing a field goal for the first time in ages. Others were stupid mistakes, like when Culpepper tried to throw the ball away after a fumble and it went right to a Steelers player for the interception. That play alone cost the Lions a shot at a field goal and perhaps a chance to win the game on that last drive, but then again, the Steelers defense wasn't about to let Detroit do anything once it got in position to score at the end.
Coming out of this game, the special teams play improved for the most part, but there are still clear issues on both the offense and defense. On the offensive side of the ball, the Lions are going to have to figure out how to make up for their offensive offensive line play. So many times Kevin Smith was brought down just after getting the ball, and on most passes Culpepper was running for his life or eaten alive by multiple Pittsburgh players. Another concern is the status of Calvin Johnson, who left this game early on with what looked like a leg, or more specifically, a knee injury.
On defense, the Lions have to get their secondary shored up (we've been saying that for years now). Ben Roethlisberger, outside of throwing an interception that was returned for a touchdown, had his way with Detroit's secondary, and Rashard Mendenhall had a solid day on the ground. A combination of getting no pressure on Roethlisberger and poor play by the secondary led to the big day through the air, as the defense started playing well once Big Ben didn't have time to throw. On the ground, it was a combination of bad tackling and terrible angles of pursuit that allowed Rashard Mendenhall to run for 77 yards and a touchdown on 15 carries.
The Lions are now 1-4 and have a tough matchup at the Packers next week. I really hope Matthew Stafford gets healthy and is ready to play, because although Culpepper showed some promise at times, overall he didn't impress me very much. Plus, I want Stafford to get back out there and continue to gain experience and improve. Lambeau Field is a tough place to play, especially for a rookie quarterback, but the experience will only make him better. If Stafford is unable to play next Sunday, we will have to wait until November 1 at the earliest when the Lions face the Rams after their bye week to see him again.
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the lions played a great game and if calvin had played the entire game, the lions might have actually won the game. the lions keep showing promise and tht is a good sign for the future. the lions need to fix tht o-line because tht is the thing tht keeps them from winning more than one game so far this season.
by David7 on Oct 11, 2009 4:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
While i agree the lions played well....
Dont get too caught up on everything. The steelers went into this game with the intent of trying a few things…the 2 sacks at the end came from the steelers(or Ben specifically) trying to go deep. Unfortunately no1 was really wide open.
Yes Calvin was out…but we would have made him into a non factor, the real issue was that the steelers were making a lot of mistakes too…chalk it up to us not really trying as hard.
For the record: 1 dropped catch by wallace who had you burned-easy touchdown.
2. the pick 6 by ben-that was him not in the game and sort of just taking it casually…he does that sometimes just like ward who drops balls when he checks out(read Bengals loss)
As a result thats 1 TD for us, and one less TD for you(if you’re gonn talk about mistakes) so basically the game should have been 35-13. I guess you could say Calvin would have given you maybe another TD…but who knows.
So really, at best you had 2 field goals and maybe another TD if you made no apparant mistakes and Calvin played…putting you up to 28 points if Ben didn’t throw the int(stupid pass really not because he didnt read the coverage or get confused…just wasnt paying attention) and if wallace caught the ball(as he did second time around) we’d have been 35-28(at best for you guys).
now that i think about it…thats pretty darn good. But then…oh yea Polamalu wasnt in the game so there ya go…missed opportunities or not, win is a win!
by surag238 on Oct 11, 2009 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait a sec...
Ben wasn’t paying attention????
How do you not pay attention as a QB?. If he wasn’t paying attention, he would’ve been sacked or something, I mean he spotted a receiver. He just didn’t read the play correctly, his fault.
And holding within 8 points of the defending Superbowl Champs is nothing to brush off for us. The fact that more talented teams than ours have a tough time winning only bodes well for our future.
2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).
by Hyperion Ecta on Oct 11, 2009 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
your comments are lame...
the fact is.. the score was 28-20. The Lions had a shot at the end of the game. The bullshit about your quarterback not paying attention? That is really weak.
by JCruize on Oct 11, 2009 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's a lotta "if"s, big fella...
Truth is, the Steelers were lucky to get the win.
by steve52 on Oct 12, 2009 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats the POINT
the original post….that im commenting on basically claims that this game was winnable with a lot of IFS…a lot of IFS…and I was merely pointing out OUR IFS…so if you consider both IFS for the lions and steelers this game really SHOULD HAVE BEEN A BLOWOUT.
also, my comments are not lame about ben not paying attention…he even said…he read the coverage knew what the corner was doing but threw it to wallace because normally holmes reacts faster and gets to the ball quicker. however wallace being a rookie(his third official start really) didnt recognize the slow ball(this is where ben wasnt paying attention) and the interception happened.
it wasnt like ben was confused by the defense or didnt know what was going on. it wasnt like he threw the ball off target…he threw it weak and just lobbed it to wallace…when i saw the throw i new it was an INT
so no….ben wasnt paying attention. if ben actually intended to throw it the way he did he wouldnt have a 75% completion rating and be a top 5 qb in the game.
by surag238 on Oct 13, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am Proud
I mean sure we are making mistakes that we shouldn’t of course with the 3 sacks in a row. But come on compared to last year, we are at least competitive. Our rush defense stopped there rushing under 100 yards and had really 2 picks. Im content though that offensive line has not been having the same kind of push it used to have in the beginning of the year
by Liontotheextreme on Oct 11, 2009 4:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Mendenhall still averaged almost 6 yards a carry and Big Ben completed 76% of his passes. Our secondary is terrible. What happened to Buchanon? I thought he was going to be our best corner.
Offensively, we lost to one of the great defensive schemes in the game. Pittsburgh just knows how to blitz and blitz effectively. And they have the personnel to do it. The Lions simply lack talent, but they do show a lot of heart.
by Barry the Great on Oct 11, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to take this off-topic, but...
did anyone see that Derek Anderson went 2 of 17 for 23 yds today in their WIN against the Bills? Good Lord. Can you imagine if a Lion’s QB had that kind of day? I think every fan at Ford Field would jump out of the stands and start stoning him (I know that CLE was on the road, but still). How does he stay in the game? I know that they don’t think Quinn is the answer either, but c’mon… how can you stay with Anderson?
BTW… nice write-up as usual, Sean. Clearly, stupid mistakes cost the Lions yet another chance for a nice win. But even so, we were in it till the end and that is once again progress in my book. Simply too much pressure for Culpepper to be successful.
by DrewsLions on Oct 11, 2009 5:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think we'd take it and run if a QB went 2 for 17 and, as you point out, WON
Sure, we might be alternating between laughing hysterically and crying, but as few and far between as W’s are for this franchise lately…
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by ahtrap on Oct 11, 2009 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
2/17???
Surely that’s a joke…that’s terrible. We complain when Stafford overthrow’s a receiver a few times and ends up with 55% completion.
2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).
by Hyperion Ecta on Oct 11, 2009 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Browns recs
must have been absolutely shut down. Goodness… 2 out of 17 ans still W
by Roustique on Oct 12, 2009 2:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good game guys
I really thought you were going to send the game into overtime or at least be attempting a 2pt conversion to tie it up. Your team is a lot better than last year, and certainly not a “gimmie” or a “bye”.
The pressure you guys got today was really impressive, but I think the most impressive thing was your team’s composure on third down, specifically 3rd and long. I cursed many times today when you converted on several of these (10 for 19).
Anyway, with a few more tweaks at defense you guys should be a playoff-contender. Best of luck for the rest of the season. Good game.
" I’m glad we play Pitt twice, and not Tenn this year." - Salty Browns Fan.
by Johnny_S on Oct 11, 2009 5:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah our 3rd down play today was very good
which it is actually the whole year.
by Schuxu on Oct 11, 2009 6:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Johnny
Good game.
2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).
by Hyperion Ecta on Oct 11, 2009 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
On the bright side :D
The special teams played above average, better than some of the other mishaps like a guy touching the ball on the punt and cost the team the game. I forgot the game this week
by Liontotheextreme on Oct 11, 2009 6:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Still a loss
The Lions did compete even though they lost, I can see improvement comapred to last years team. Without Calvin Johnson they still moved the ball good on 3rd down conversions. Lions are still a work in progress.
by MadMike47 on Oct 11, 2009 6:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Should have mentioned that UR penalty on the would be pick
That was a huge turning point in the game.
by Schuxu on Oct 11, 2009 6:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
In the end, I was pretty content with our performance
We have been pretty consistent…at making mistakes which end up costing us the game. But I’d rather lose 28-20 and give the Steelers a scare, than lose 35-7 and not even look any good at all. We are improving, and that’s all I’m asking from this year.
Culpepper had a sorta up and down game. He showed great mobility and made big plays at times, which is good. He did however look ugly at times, especially with that pick. I was surprised how effectively he could move the ball without CJ, but I thought guys like Northcutt and Williams stepped up in his absence.
Smith had trouble running again, but he did post a few stronger runs, all he needs is some good push up front.
The run defence struggled a bit, but they did keep Mendenhall under 100. A couple of his runs, especially his TD were just too easy.
Pass defence was poor, for the most part. 2 picks (I’m counting King’s) is pretty good, but Ben picked us apart. We did manage 3 sacks but the pressure didn’t seem to be sustained for enough of the game.
Special teams was better, but still needs work. We didn’t give up many long runs and Williams showed potential.
On the whole, not bad…could’ve been much worse, in fact, I expected much worse.
2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).
by Hyperion Ecta on Oct 11, 2009 8:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
All the defenders run to the middle
no one keeps containment on the outside. The opposing RB just turns the corner and runs it in. I think that was like the 3rd TD we gave up to an untouched RB that way (I can think of one to AP and I thought one of the Forte runs was the same).
I die a little every time I see the CB get on the inside of the TE in the redzone.
by ATL Lion on Oct 12, 2009 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate to admit this here
I really thought the Lions were going to get slaughtered. Both teams left ALOT of plays/points on the field. I think moral victories are usually crap, but I’ll take one here.
by JazzyBBP on Oct 11, 2009 8:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
now we know...
Why Culpepper isn’t starting.
highlights of the game that pissed me off…
- Dan Fouts is a retard… I swear I was going to throw my remote thru the TV after the 50th time of mentioning the lions not “atleast measure” for the first down, instead of taking the 3.
- Phantom call on Roslisburger… WTF? Weak call. Cohen had been blocked into him and just finished the job by rapping his arms around his legs.
- DAMN IT DANTE!!!…. came from my mouth around 9 times.
- 3 sacks in a row… come on!!
- I hope Stafford is back next week.
by CLF on Oct 11, 2009 8:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
For a veteran
Culepepper needs to learn to THROW IT AWAY
Maybe now you'll never slime a guy with a positron collider!
by rwum14 on Oct 11, 2009 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well he tried once
didn’t work out so well.
by Schuxu on Oct 12, 2009 3:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As funny as this may sound
the Lions are better … to be that close to almost win even with the mistakes.. truly means we are getting there.. imagine in next years draft when we get “more talent” to make up for these short comings… We are closing the gap! this could have been 44 – 10…
eliminate the mistakes…. more talent… The Lionsof old are almost gone!
GO LIONS 2009! the transformation begins.
by DINORDO on Oct 11, 2009 9:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If Stafford and Johnson were there
it makes you wonder .. could they have won the game? even with the mistakes
GO LIONS 2009! the transformation begins.
by DINORDO on Oct 11, 2009 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I must just shake my head and laugh
I will never understand why some people here, no matter the circumstances, just can not admit that Daunte Culpepper is a solid NFL starting quality QB. Give me a F-ing break!! The guy came in and completed over 62% of his passes (and yeah, he did not throw down field much, BUT HE KEPT US IN THE GAME AGAINST THE DEFENDING SUPER BOWL CHAMPS)!! He passed for damn near 300 yards (282) and was hit as he was trying to throw the ball away when he threw the INT! EVERYONE makes mistakes…..how can anybody expect Culpepper to come in and play perfect? Even Peyton Manning makes mistakes! Yes, Daunte also dropped the ball 3 times, but he also recovered all three times…..not to mention the bad exchange on the snap is not all his fault, and he would not have gotten stripped the other two times if someone actually blocked once in awhile! Jesus Christ…..Backus was unbelievably putrid AGAIN! I thought James Harrison was going to do his best Jared Allen against the Packers impersonation there for awhile.
I will add, however, that I agree with Drew…..Daunte does not pose a long term value for the Lions now that we have Matt Stafford. I agree that Stafford is the guy now. I agree that Stafford should start again immediately when he is able (hopefully next week). BUT, I do not agree that Daunte Culpepper did not do a fine damn job of trying to win against the Steelers, I do not agree that he did any worse than Matt Stafford would have done, and I will NEVER agree that he should be perfect or that he does not still have what it takes to be a starter in this league….period.
by KDawg on Oct 11, 2009 9:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I think DC is a good qb but Stafford is and should be the starter. I think DC played prety damn good and I dont think the outcome would have changed if Stafford had played. We win as a team and lose as a team. As far as the mistakes go it seems that a lot of lions fans expect perfection from our QB because of our history. Every QB makes mistakes I do not care who you are. I think we are lucky to have DC as a backup. GO LIONS!!!
by bmehne on Oct 11, 2009 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What game were you watching?
Dante had a clear running lane to the left, but used his “SOLID NFL STARTING QUALITY” judgement and threw an air ball ACROSS the field of play while shouting “500!!!!”
Dante hurt the Lions just as much as he helped them today…. He needs to realize he is now the backup and that means do what you can, JUST DO NOT HURT THE TEAM.
Bottom line. Dante killed 3 drives on his own… The intentional grounding, the INT, and the inability to read and check off the blitz.
Add to that, you had Ed “I like to throw games” Hockacheese calling weak penalties and a hanson missed FG… and there’s your loss.
by CLF on Oct 11, 2009 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dante’s Intentional Grounding at Pittsburgh 7 yd line
Around 1:15… NOTE: Kevin Smith as a dump off.
by CLF on Oct 11, 2009 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree, he's not that "solid"
Daunte seemed to lose any ability to read a blitz. Now I only saw the 4th quarter, and I realy thought he was going to lead us down and tie the game….but then he gets sacked 3 TIMES IN A ROW. Now it is mostly the O Line’s fault but come on, he’s gotta recognize the blitz and MOVE his ass. 3 sacks in a row is unreal. From watching that drive I couldn’t figure out why the Steelers didn’t blitz all game but I didn’t really see the first 3 quarters. He absolutely has got to move if he sees that blitz comming. I thought he lost all this weight and he’s in such great shape. He should have been able to move better than that. I can’t remember ever seeing 4th and 34. From what I saw the QB debate is not even remotely debatable
by ImPuLsE on Oct 12, 2009 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
On the int.
How about the receivers acting like they are playing in the NFL and come back and help the QB. Basics. The receivers all stood around while the ball was in the air and let the Steelers pick the ball off.
Additionally, when CJ goes out, the passing game becomes to predictable. Outside of the pass to Felton (which should have been a TD) the Lions did nothing to keep the Steelers guessing.
Finally, the Lions had too many penalties when they were on the other side of the field.
by rbanner on Oct 12, 2009 9:05 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That pass was pathetic....
Even more, it was first and 10 on Pittsburgh 30…SHEESH!… fall on the ball or do your best to get back to the line of scrimmage… a FG is better than nothing!
But no, Culpepper decided to throw a rainbow across the grain of the field… he broke THE cardinal rule of QB play.
Bonehead.
by CLF on Oct 12, 2009 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you actually going to sit there.....
and defend the offensive line?? You have got to be kidding me……you act like it was ALL Daunte Culpepper’s fault, and it seems like your only reason is to start an argument. He was HIT FROM THE LEFT on the play in which he threw the INT!! How could he run to his left when he was hit from his blind side on the play?? First of all, I have the game on DVR and I can go back and watch every play…..so this is easy pickings. Second, the INT occured on the play which started with 47 seconds left to play in the third QTR, with the Lions down 28-13. Third, the play was an obvious mis-communication between Culpepper and Kevin Smith, as Culpepper tried to hand the ball off to Smith, who did not take the ball, which was thus dropped by Culpepper. Fourth, Culpepper picked up the ball and TRIED to scramble to his LEFT. Fifth, Ramirez and Backus just stood there and watched as Harrison blew by them, with Ramirez doing an “OH SHIT” move at the last minute, trying to get back there to stop Culpepper from getting killed…..he was a day late and a dollar short, as Daunte tried to salvage the play by throwing it to an OPEN Bryant Johnson and was hammered by Harrison as he threw the ball (yes the pass was too high and it was picked off, but I’d like to see ANY of our QBs do better in that same situation….EVERYONE makes mistakes). Lastly, I’ll give you the fact that he should have thrown the ball out of bounds, and the fact that it looked like it was meant to be a passing play, but he did his best to make something out of a broken play and he had NO TIME to make up for the mistake. It was a bad decision, but it was not one that lost the game all in itself (The Lions scored a TD after that, making it a 28-20 game, and had a chance to go down the field and tie the game in the 4th quarter). If Culpepper had just “fallen on the ball” or taken the sack, it would have been at the 39 yard line, making it a FG attempt of 56 yards. I love Jason Hanson, but he doesn’t exactly kick 56 yard FGs anymore, at least not with any consistency.
As for the argument that Culpepper needs to do a better job recognizing the blitz…..when you are looking downfield on a 5 step drop (play calling anyone?) and the middle of the line (not to mention your blind side) buckles under pressure almost immediately, what choices do you have but to 1) Take the sack, 2) Try to avoid the sack and throw up a ball that could be intercepted, or 3) Throw the ball away IF you have time (which he did not on those 3 consecutive sacks, not to mention the fact that he probably did not want to make another mistake like the prior INT)?? It is not like he had ANYWHERE to go!! He could not step up in the non-existent pocket, and with the pocket being collapsed, he had no room to run either left or right on ANY of those 3 consecutive plays!
I am not arguing that Culpepper is better than Stafford. I am not arguing that Culpepper should start over Stafford from here on out. In fact I think Stafford is the man now, and he should come back as soon as he is healthy! What I am saying here is that there are a lot of people here who are WAY down on Daunte Culpepper and it is without logical reasoning. It makes absolutely NO sense. The man did his best, and while it did not end up being good enough, he STILL did well enough to win the game if 1) our offensive line actually picked up the blitz consistently, and 2) if the offensive line would open some running lanes for Kevin Smith to do better than 2.65 yards per carry!! With no running game, playing from behind, and no blocking, I do not care if you are Drew Brees, Peyton Manning, Joe Montana, Brett Favre, or Steve Young (or whatever big name QB you want to put back there), the END RESULT would still be THE SAME!
by KDawg on Oct 12, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who was defending the Oline?
I’m glad you agree that Daunte’s decision making on those plays sucked donkey. (Daunte was hit after he threw the pick… I rewinded it 3 times….)
Its logical for most of us to assume that a veteran QB would be able to not take a sack 3 times in a row, call line adjustments according to a blitz, and not throw across the grain of the field.
Blitz pickups are the job of the Center and/or the QB.
Giving up 3 consecutive sacks is embarassing.
Daunte outshined the OLine in this game.
by CLF on Oct 12, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The point was.....
He had no running lane to the left, and he did not have time to set his feet before he threw (he was hit immediately after he released the ball, and it goes back to what I said before….he could take the sack at the 39 yard line, he could throw the ball (which he did, too high and picked off), or he could try to throw the ball away if he had time (I do not think he had time to set his feet and throw the ball away, after the fumble and subsequent recovery). He was trying to make something happen, and he made a stupid mistake. It is one thing to recognize a blitz pre-snap, another thing to make pre-snap adjustments, and yet another thing to recognize a blitz, after the snap, against a team that is awesome at hiding the fact that they are coming after the QB. Pittsburgh is one of the best teams in the league at blitzing effectively. Not even Peyton Manning recognizes every blitz. I know, three times in a row sucks, but you can not blame Culpepper 100% (well, you can but I will disagree and say you are wrong every time).
It is the responsibility of the center and the QB to RECOGNIZE blitzes pre-snap and to make adjustments as necessary. It is the responsibility of the QB to RECOGNIZE blitzes after the snap and look to checkdown to avoid the blitz. It is the responsibility of the entire offensive line and the running backs to PICK UP the blitz, regardless of whether it was recognized pre-snap or after the snap. They did not pick up those blitzes in any case, and Daunte barely even had time to finish his drop before he was being sacked (two out of the three times). I believe the first sack was a coverage sack too, with pass pro breaking down due to one linebacker firing up the middle and Backus getting blown into the backfield.
I am embarrassed that the Lions Offensive Line gave up three sacks in a row too, especially when it cost us a chance to tie the game…..but I disagree that the blame can all be place on Culpepper, and I do not see how it is logical for you to think it can. Everyone makes mistakes, and the three consecutive sacks were on the offensive line, not Daunte Culpepper.
by KDawg on Oct 12, 2009 5:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh....
By saying that it was all Daunte Culpepper’s fault that he was sacked three times in a row, you are implying that the offensive line did their jobs perfectly……thus implying that you are standing behind their play, or in other words defending them.
by KDawg on Oct 12, 2009 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would you be singing his praises??
If Daunte Culpepper had completed that pass to Bryant Johnson instead of getting picked off, and if we would have scored on the last drive instead of getting sacked three times in a row, would you be singing Daunte Culpepper’s praises right now, or would you have found some other reason to bash him? I don’t think it makes a bit of difference what he did, I think you would have bashed him. Win, lose, or draw…..you hate Daunte Culpepper and anyone who thinks he is decent. Is that the case CLF?
by KDawg on Oct 12, 2009 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes...
I would be ‘singing praises’ for Daunte if he won the game.
As he scooped up the ball, he did have a lane to run…to at least the line of scrimmage…. it wasn’t until he made the decision to throw was a guy on him from that side.
When a defense is showing blitz it’s up to the Center and the QB to slide the protection…. given the game Daunte was having… Yes, I blame it mostly on him.
No one else fumbled the ball.
No one else had dumb penalties or turnovers while in scoring position.
And to add the Oline managed to pump out 110yds rushing at 4.4yds/carry…take away Daunte’s scramble and its still more than 3yds/carry.
As much as Culpepper did to help the team move down the field, he countered with bumbling dumb moves…. 3 BIG ones to be exact.
Sad really, because I was hoping for better. List out the 5 negative aspects of the game… 3 will include Daunte’s name…. You don’t think so… Prove me wrong.
The big difference between Daunte and a starting QB?
When Ben threw the pick 6, he marched down the field and scored. When Stafford threw his first pick 6… he marched back down the field and scored. When Culpepper threw a pick… his play went down hill.
by CLF on Oct 12, 2009 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And throwing...
“100%” and “ALL” in to my mouth does not mean I wrote them.
by CLF on Oct 12, 2009 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
True
Sorry, but that is how it came across to me…..if you thought the loss wasn’t all on Daunte….why not say so? The funny thing about opinions is that there is no right or wrong. It is my opinion that Daunte’s play was a minor negative in comparison to the offensive line and the secondary’s play. I can’t “prove you wrong”, but I can counter your opinion, which I already did.
By the way…..Daunte did march the Lions down the field and scored a TD pass to Northcutt…..after the INT.
by KDawg on Oct 12, 2009 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
by the way...
The Lion’s went 3 and out on the drive after the pick…..
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/boxscore?gid=20091011008&page=drives
by CLF on Oct 12, 2009 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
Who cares? The Steelers did not score and the Lions did…..after the INT.
by KDawg on Oct 12, 2009 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep, and any other QB would have won the game right?
by KDawg on Oct 12, 2009 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In the only game we have won with Stafford at the helm....
He did not throw an INT…..so your examples that Stafford and Roethlisberger marched down the field after they threw a pick 6 (which Daunte did not) is just as weak.
by KDawg on Oct 12, 2009 8:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Big Ben was on the winning team.....
However, Stafford was not (when he came back and scored after some pick 6 that he threw….which game was that again?)
by KDawg on Oct 12, 2009 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't bother
Stafford has not thrown a pick 6 in the regular season…..and he led one TD scoring drive in the drive immediately following an INT only once, against the Saints in week 1…..he has thrown 6 interceptions this season.
by KDawg on Oct 12, 2009 8:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And the 110 yards rushing.....
Take away the 32 yard run by Culpepper and the 53 yards that Smith gained (2.65 yards per carry on 20 attempts) and you have the grand total of 25 rushing yards that “the offensive line pumped out”. Of those 25 yards, Daunte had 12 more of them, after the 32 yard run…..so now you have a whopping 13 yards that the offensive line pumped out (8 yards for Felton and 5 yards for Morris). Wow……3 yards per carry? All together they averaged 4.4 as you said…..take out Daunte’s rushing yards and you get exactly 3 yards per carry, no more and no less.
by KDawg on Oct 12, 2009 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude...
You talk in circles enough to make me puke.
During the first couple games of the season you could do nothing but blame Stafford for the losses and make claims that he should never had been starting.
Now you make the claim that it was anyone but Culpepper’s fault that the Lions lost the game.
Then you use facts like taking ALL the rushing yds away to show that the Oline did a poor job.
Then you answer your own questions with your own answers and put words in my mouth like “100%” and ALL DAUNTE’S FAULT…which takes my point out of context.
And most of all you keep coming up with lame excuses for mistakes a season veteran QB should NOT have ever made.
My only point that I have been repeating to your deaf ears is this….
Daunte Culpepper kept the Lions IN the game just as much as he took the Lions OUT of the game. His choices were the MAIN reason the lions SCORED and did NOT SCORE points. I do not understand how such a seasoned veteran could play that way. The game was his to win and he blew it on 3 separate drives, yet kept the lions in the game inbetween….which reminded me ALOT of last year’s team…. and Kitna.
On the positive side, it looks as though Cunningham is getting into a rythym with his hodgepodge defense and Special teams was greatly improved. Now if we can only find a replacement for Backus… this team might get on a roll…pun intended.
by CLF on Oct 13, 2009 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just find it funny
As long as I keep posting, you always try to get the last word, regardless of how ridiculous it sounds. What you DID NOT say made the implication of what I DID SAY. You may not have intended it to come out that way, but that is how it came across to me. I will accept the fact that you did not intend to say that it was all Daunte’s fault. However, AGAIN I will state MY opinion that it was far more the fault of the offensive line in losing that game, than it was Daunte Culpepper’s. If you want to argue that point, why don’t you go to the main page and argue with Drew too? He agrees that the loss was on the O-line. You just like to try to single me out for whatever reason….probably because I will not take your shit..
As much as you say I talk in circles, you continue to push the merry-go-round. Your arguments are biased, sarcastic, and childish. Yes, I blamed Stafford for our first two losses…..guess what? The difference between then and now is IT WAS STAFFORD’S FAULT! Find a comment I made after the start of the regular season where I specifically said that Stafford should never have started. You will not find one, because my stance has been only that he should be held accountable for his poor play. I said it was too early to yank him after two games, and I also said that if he continued to play poorly against the Redskins and Bears that I felt they should consider letting Culpepper start against the Steelers and Packers before the bye.
You talk about me putting words in your mouth, yet you continue to turn around and do just that to me. And instead of it being a matter of context by which you are making a false claim, you actually twist my words to your own purpose, kind of like my wife does when she is upset with me. I grow weary of your banter. Frankly, I am quite sick of your mouth. This is the last comment I will ever make to you…..I’m all done stooping to your level.
by KDawg on Oct 13, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn it.....
I’m sorry CLF…..In all honesty, I truly want to get along with you. I have been having a real bad time lately…..my Dad getting murdered, and now a friend of mine was killed in a car accident a few days ago. My wife has been riding my ass too. I wrote what I said above out of anger, and I didn’t mean all of what i said. Can we agree to disagree and work to get along? I know I said that the above post would be my last to you…..but when I re-read it, I felt guilty. Please try to understand that it is not ALL you that caused my response. I’m sorry man, you are a smart enough guy and while your comments often elicit a strong response from me, you do make good points at times. I do not like being tested…..and unfortunately I often feel like you are testing me. I just want to stop the dumb stuff. If you can handle that, then I can too. If not, well then I guess it is what it is.
by KDawg on Oct 13, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey man....
This is a discussion board. I learned along time ago not to get pissed about anonymous posters….lol.
That being said… It’s easy to see that you have been holding Stafford to a higher standard than Daunte… which confuses the hell out of me.
Saints put up a shit ton of points on our D… Staffords fault
2nd half turnovers lost the Vikings game…. Staffords fault
Lion’s beat the redskins… stafford’s fault?
Lions lose to the Bears… Staffords fault?
Lions lose to the Steelers…. uh Oline’s fault?
Seems a bit strange to me.
That being said, Sorry for your losses… I do not know such pain. It’s a good thing memories are forever… unless alzheimer’s kicks in…
Have a good one!~ IT’s Poker night!
-CLF
by CLF on Oct 13, 2009 5:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Indeed....
Well, it is no secret that I wanted Daunte to start. My mind has changed since weeks 3 and 4, with Stafford showing much improvement. I did blame the loss to NO on Stafford because I think we could have won that game without 3 INTs. In hindsight, obviously it wasn’t ALL his fault, because our defense was swiss cheese to the Saints offense, but even so I still say we could have won that game if our offense did not turn the ball over when they did.
I did blame the loss to the Vikings on Stafford because the offensive line had done a decent job in that game (minus a play here and there) and Stafford simply failed to move the ball effectively for a majority of the second half. Stafford’s INT in the 4th QTR came at the most inopportune moment, Down 20-10 with 7:32 left in the game, he threw a pick at the Detroit 38 yard line and it was returned to the Detroit 16, where Favre was able to easily dink and dunk his way to another TD, which basically sealed the deal with the Vikings going ahead 27-10 (making it a 3 score game).
Stafford played a great, mistake free, game against the Redskins….and I was impressed with that. I did not blame Stafford for the loss in Chicago either, as again he played an excellent game (throwing for almost 300 yards and only one INT). For that loss I blamed the special teams and the average starting field position of the Bears.
No, I do not blame Daunte Culpepper for the loss against Pittsburgh. The offensive line was horrible at picking up the blitz, plain and simple (regardless of whether or not there were pre-play adjustments). I am not saying that Culpepper’s mistakes of the intentional grounding play and the stupid INT did not add to the issue, but I honestly felt that the game was lost due to a lack of protection up front in both the passing and running games. Culpepper threw for nearly 300 yards passing, and he completed over 62% of his passes, converting 11 of 18 on third down in his first start of the season. I firmly believe that had he been given time to throw the ball, instead of the line succumbing to the blitz, that he would have driven the offense down the field and tied the game instead of being sacked three times in a row. How many times was Stafford sacked over the first 4 games? I think it was 5 times….call it better o-line play, worse opposing defensive play, or whatever, but the o-line did a much better job at protecting Stafford than they did protecting Culpepper, and it can’t all be blamed on Culpepper holding on to the ball too long.
We all know that our defense is weak against the pass. We all know that if the Lions are to win games against teams with good passing games, that they must be won in an offensive shootout. The Saints put up a ton of points on our defense, but that is no excuse…..we were only down by 11 in the second half, and if not for the boneheaded rookie mistakes, we could have won that game. I chalk it up to his development at this point, and it matters not who was to blame for the losses. The TEAM lost the games. My only problem with all of the banter about DC this week, was that I felt he was being blamed when it was not warranted. So, being that I have been his biggest supporter here over the weeks, I defended him. Anyway, it is over and done with….I blame the offensive line as a majority reason why we lost to the Steelers, and you blame Culpepper. It is what it is.
by KDawg on Oct 14, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The thing that bothered me most about Daunte today was..
NOT the interception (although that was an indefensible mistake). It was the fact that Daunte held on to the ball waaaaaaaaaay too long. If the pressure was coming from his blind side, I would’ve understood, but there was pressure coming straight at him, and he stood firm in the pocket like he didn’t see it. Finally, when James Harrison, or the 15 other guys who sacked him today, were right on top of him, he’d notice and get sacked.
Now coaching didn’t help him much (a rollout would’ve been nice on the last drive, but I’m MMQBing a little), but come on, Daunte is a veteran, he’s got to have a much better internal clock than he showed today.
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by simscity on Oct 12, 2009 12:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think Culpepper was bad
He played pretty solidly. However, as you said, Stafford is the future, and Stafford appears to be able to do whatever Culpepper can and more. Let’s hope this performance raises the eyebrows of some QB-starved team.
2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).
by Hyperion Ecta on Oct 12, 2009 2:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That said
Does anyone know how serious the injury to Calvin Johnson is? I made a trade for him in my keeper fantasy league…..knowing that he was injured. If he is out for any amount of time, I will just keep him on my bench for next year.
by KDawg on Oct 11, 2009 9:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I did not see all of the game [heard the first quarter] so not sure how it looked.
The Lions had a shot at the end thanks to some defensive stops and some better play by the offence.
+ves – overall, the defence played mediocre. That is a big step up from last year. Controlled the Steelers run game [less than ninety yards] and made a few plays [a pick six and three sacks]. On offence, Daunte ran the team efficiently and D. Williams showed some flashes.
-ves – offensive line play…..again. Kevin Smith not running very decisively. And our pass defence is really getting shredded. Three TDs and almost 80% completions. I know I wanted to see major improvement against the run, and I have, but I guess I should be careful what I wish for. As far as the sacks go…..I expected better from Linehan and Daunte. Better play calling and quicker recognition may have reduced the sacks which were taken. Seven sacks plus a grounding and the INT was too much. Seems like the Lions were outcoached by Lebeau.
Overall, I can’t get too upset with performance of the Lions. The Steelers are the Super Bowl champs and they really needed this win. This game showed again that the Lions have to win the turnover battle and play smart, error free ball to win against a significantly superior team.
by NorthLeft12 on Oct 11, 2009 10:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I was not at all pleased with Dante's INT.....and saw it coming a mile away
Culpepper scrambled to his left, had lots of room to throw it away (and like CLF said, a clear running lane to his left)……then he turned back to his right instead of throwing it away. At that point, before his arm ever went back to throw, I knew it was going to be intercepted…….sure enough, it was.
Culpepper did some good and some bad things that game, but I have to seriously question his judgement on that interception play. If Pep wants to reinvent himself as a smart, short-passing QB who doesn’t turn the ball over, he’ll have to do better than this.
Two other things bothered me about Culpepper. Like Simscity and Impulse said, he held the ball way too long, didn’t seem very aware of the rush, and didn’t react well to it. He also seemed indecisive, and usually ended up checking down until later in the game. The other thing that bothered me is Pep’s longer throws later in the game…..his heart didn’t seem in it. It almost seemed like he was being prodded at that point to get the ball downfield. Culpepper seemed to just put it up for grabs a little and let the receiver run under it…..not to the extent of “Danny Rainbow”, but he just didn’t seem to be throwing the ball deep with confidence.
And that may be the crux of my worries. We’ve seen QB’s here before who lacked confidence. Rookies like Joey, vets like Kitna, backups like Dan-O, and everything in between, going back for decades. Right now, it seems like Culpepper lacks confidence in his ability to throw an accurate deep ball. Does he lack confidence in his arm at this stage of his career? If so…..to what degree? Is his arm shot and he’s trying to hide it? Culpepper worked hard over the winter to lose weight, strengthen his legs, and increase his mobility…….but what about his arm? He didn’t seem to be throwing deep with authority. We don’t need a laser…….but his deep throws seemed tentative. Is it mental, is it physical, or a combination of both?
My suspicion is, for whatever reason, Culpepper no longer has the confidence that he can throw an accurate deep ball. Of course, Joey had the same problem from Day 1, and he worked out fine…….oh, wait.
So I’m not sure what we have here in Culpepper. It was an inconsistent, sometimes hesitant, performance from a veteran QB trying to reinvent himself as a safe, steady, smart, conservative veteran. Pretty good overall numbers, but not better than Stafford, and little upside……and way too many question marks in the way he played, especially for a veteran. In fact, maybe even more question marks than before the game. Even on the last drive, before the 3 sacks, I didn’t feel that Culpepper could win it.
One quote keeps coming back to me. After the Lions beat the Redskins, Schwartz and Stafford rode down in the elevator together, and Schwartz said to Stafford, “Don’t you ever get conservative on me.” And yet Culpepper is doing exactly that. I don’t know if it’s because Pep thinks……..
……..that’s what vets should do, or
……..that’s what backups should do, or
……..his old style was too turnover prone, or
……..he needs to differentiate himself from Staff in some way, or
……..it’s a good way to showcase himself for other teams, or
……..his arm is shot, or
……..he lacks confidence in the accuracy of his deep throws now, or
……..he thinks it’s the best way to win, period.
Based on what Schwartz said to Stafford, I get the feeling that Schwartz doesn’t feel that it’s the best way to win, period. Culpepper’s not stupid……he’s gotta know how Schwartz feels on this. So why is Culpepper trying (with inconsistent results) to be so conservative? Why is this leopard trying so hard to change his spots? It would seem to be one or more of the other reasons……but which ones?
What? He can’t block a dead gopher? Humph, details.
by GRLion on Oct 12, 2009 4:32 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Culpepper's short game is the only game he has
So he is going to be the high completion % short game. OK. But that game breaks down inside the redzone if you don’t have a running game. We saw that yesterday time after time. Take away his first read and culpepper just stands there waiting for the sack. Is he hoping the defender will fall down?
Watching that mess out there gave me flashbacks to last season. We could have won the game if we could have gotten out of our own way. Culpepper made some plays, but hurt us as much as he helped us. He drops the snap on 1st and ten twice in a drive, but he runs for 25 yards on a broken play. He makes some great down field throws and picks apart the Steeler’s prevent D, but he takes 3 straight sacks when he had time to at least get a shorter pass off.
Culpepper is an OK QB, but we will never win with him. I would have rather seen Stanton come out and throw passes around then Culpepper have 1 good play for every 2 bonehead plays.
by ATL Lion on Oct 12, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Too many mistakes for a veteran QB. I’d rather see Stafford.
Pep is old. He’s had knee injuries. He got fat. He missed time. But he also lost weight, had a full offseason, and a full training camp. How many of these affect his arm physically to the point where he can’t throw an accurate deep ball? Maybe the age and missed time. A big question of course is just how much has he lost physically? The rest of those possible reasons for extreme conservative play that I mentioned above are either mental or Pep “marketing himself” (to the Lions or others), trying to “change his image.”
What? He can’t block a dead gopher? Humph, details.
by GRLion on Oct 12, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oops, I meant I'd rather see Stanton, like ATL Lion said
What? He can’t block a dead gopher? Humph, details.
by GRLion on Oct 12, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Either, really
OK, I’ll stop babbling now.
What? He can’t block a dead gopher? Humph, details.
by GRLion on Oct 12, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really guys......
Who is even arguing that Culpepper should be the starter over Stafford anymore?? Why is this even an issue?? I am not making that argument. I want Stafford in there, just like you guys do. That is not even an issue anymore!
Seriously though…..what in the hell is it that you guys want to see? You want to see 50 yard bombs every time the QB throws the ball? Let’s be realistic here. Daunte Culpepper took his shots down the field against Pittsburgh. He converted 11 times out of 18 (61%) on third down, and how many of those were third and long?? FIVE of them (45% of the third down conversions were on passes down field by Culpepper……2 3rd and 11’s, a 3rd and 12, a 3rd and 15, and a 3rd and 19)! 15 passing plays made up 15 of the Lion’s 20 first downs in the game. Who cares how it gets done, as long as the chains are moving? A majority of Culpepper’s passes were shorter, I understand that…..but he was moving the chains and doing a good job at managing the game, and he completed over 62% of his passes for 282 yards and a TD (along with the bad INT, which did not cost us the game….everyone makes mistakes).
The bottom line here is this…..Daunte Culpepper is only one man and he did not lose the game for the Lions. The lack of a running game and piss poor blocking by the offensive line is what cost the Lions the game against the Steelers. Conservative play or conservative PLAY CALLING? Personally I think it is the latter (as seen in the previous weeks when golden boy Matt Stafford did not throw a bomb on every play). I understand you guys wanting Stafford in the game, and I am with you there…..but get off of Daunte’s nuts…..he did fine.
by KDawg on Oct 12, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A lot of that is subjective, of course.......my gut feeling, trying to figure out WHY Culpepper does what he does these days
As for the WHAT, Al Beaton over at The Wayne Fontes Experience http://waynefontes.com/
(who I read after writing this) echoed how I felt about Culpepper’s decision-making and consistency in that game as a veteran QB:
Speaking of players the Lions can win with, I really do think the Lions can win with Matthew Stafford…in a couple of years. But they can’t win with Daunte Culpepper, and today we saw why.
Detroit needed veteran leadership from Culpepper. Instead, he made silly, stupid mistakes you might expect from a rookie, not an 11 year veteran. His late in the 3rd quarter interception deep in Pittsburgh territory was a screw up worthy of a benching, in my mind.
After you drop the snap, and have 300 pound linemen all up in your grille, he could have tried to run with the ball, throw the SOB into the turf, or even take a dive to the ground, and give Pittsburgh the damn sack, I really don’t care. Do anything but one thing, and that one thing is what Culpepper did…throw the ball up for fucking grabs. He deserved to get picked. It was an idiotic mistake, one you could argue ultimately cost the Lions a shot at winning the game.
One thing I’ve liked about Stafford is he plays aggressively, makes plays, and tries to win, rather than trying not to lose. Like Schwartz says, he takes smart chances. I haven’t seem too many Lions QB’s play like that over the years, if any (maybe Stanton?)…..which leads to another quote from Al Beaton:
As the Lions are playing for 2010 and beyond, if Stafford can’t go next Sunday, wouldn’t it make more sense to see Drew Stanton rather than more of Culpepper? The Lions need to know if Stanton can be effective as a backup. What better time than the present?
I agree.
What? He can’t block a dead gopher? Humph, details.
by GRLion on Oct 12, 2009 5:26 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Oops, screwed that up....sorry about that (stupid quote boxes)
These parts are mine:
One thing I’ve liked about Stafford is he plays aggressively, makes plays, and tries to win, rather than trying not to lose. Like Schwartz says, he takes smart chances. I haven’t seem too many Lions QB’s play like that over the years, if any (maybe Stanton?)…..which leads to another quote from Al Beaton:
I agree.
What? He can’t block a dead gopher? Humph, details.
by GRLion on Oct 12, 2009 5:28 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice posts GRLion
2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).
by Hyperion Ecta on Oct 12, 2009 6:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we had a ref here he would have thrown a flag for piping on.
Come on guys, Daunte is our back up and overall did a credible job to help get the Lions in a position to possibly steal this game. I think a lot of this overreaction is the way this game ended. Driving to the Steeler 21 with just under two minutes to go, then …..disaster.
My take from this game is that the Lions have one of the best back ups in the league. He could lead this team to a win against lessor opponents, but is not the playmaker that can pull off the big upset. For that we will need Staff………and a healthy Calvin.
by NorthLeft12 on Oct 12, 2009 7:07 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He led them to the 20 for the same reason we were biting our nails until the last play in week 3
The Steelers were in the prevent. You can pick apart a prevent until the field shortens. Then the defense is not so spread and they can send a couple guys in to rush the QB.
I don’t really give Pepper much credit for that last drive. He was supposed to earn his money from the 20 to the goalline.
by ATL Lion on Oct 12, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Crap, I deleted the text of my comment.
Summary of what I just said;
Daunte is a good solid back up QB who played well enough to give us a chance to steal this game. A lot of frustration here is over how the game ended, not with the overall effort.
He could lead this team to beat lessor opponents [than the Steelers] but to pull off the upset we need a QB to make plays, big plays, like Staff.
by NorthLeft12 on Oct 12, 2009 7:13 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yep, we do need playmakers
Not just at QB, but in a lot of positions, on both offense and defense. With Calvin and Stafford out (and KSmith weakened from his shoulder injury), even at the Steeler 21 with 2 minutes left, I didn’t feel we were going to win.
What? He can’t block a dead gopher? Humph, details.
by GRLion on Oct 12, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was an entertaining game
I like Stafford but was really hoping he would not play, With his knee I figured the steelers would chase him around and put him out for the season. I was at the game and I don’t understand the Daunte hate. Our OL stinks and he had to run for his life several times. He made a couple great scramble third downs. Looking at the sacks I could not blame him, he was having 3 or 4 guys in his face every time. We played tough, I was proud of them. A couple horrid calls going against us and Northcutt dropping a td pass late in the game. A tough catch but a great throw. the big difference, it was the 4th quarter, i was at the game and I was excited. Way to go Lions bring something back to hope for.
by toledogolf on Oct 12, 2009 9:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
and one more thing last series
I sit in the end zone and saw the steelers defense line-up. All on the outside and deep. I kept telling my wife that the could run it in right up the middle. Perfect for the delay draw. Then on second down the same exact defense and our same call. this is on the coaches not daunte
by toledogolf on Oct 12, 2009 9:20 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Prevent Defense
I like end zone seats, great view of the formations.
What? He can’t block a dead gopher? Humph, details.
by GRLion on Oct 12, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kevin Smith
Again, everyone with the negative KS comments obviously has never played running back in anything but flag football.
YOU CANT make a definitive cut when you have d-linemen crashing down on you in the backfield every play. There were two holes for the guy the entire game. Rewind your DVR and look at every running play for the poor guy. I feel sorry for Smith, the guy fights for extra yardage at the end of every damn play, twisting and diving.
Our offensive line has to be one of the worst in the league.
by LionInIowa on Oct 12, 2009 9:26 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Excellent Point Iowa
There’s only so much he can do with a shoddy, porous offensive line. Speaking of which I cannot wait until Sackus is off this team once and for all. He’s a marginal (at best) left tackle and has been for years. Thanks Millen for signing him to a long-term deal which cleary he hadn’t earned. Another mistake on his part.
I’m excited about this team though and HAPPY as hell we didn’t fold in the second half. We should have tied the game but CPep’s 3 sacks are truly inexcusable (they likely wouldn’t have happened had he not thrown the pick in the 3rd qtr.)
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by NYCLionsfan on Oct 12, 2009 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed Iowa
KSmith has tremendous heart, great vision, and he’s always twisting and diving for that small hole or extra yard. And yep, the holes to run through were small……the OL was little or no help. My concern is with Smith’s shoulder banged up, he’s not going to get much after contact. I appreciate his desire to play, but I’d rather he sit out a game and heal, so this doesn’t linger through the season. Players play hurt, but this seems to be affecting him. Bye week can’t come a moment too soon for our banged up players, including Smith.
What? He can’t block a dead gopher? Humph, details.
by GRLion on Oct 12, 2009 3:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Despite Smith’s number’s, I think he has been one of our most consistent performers. You can’t do much when your getting hit in the backfield on most plays, and even when he does get no blocking, more often than not, he’ll get positive yardage….that to me is a sign of a great running back, a never say die attitude.
2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).
by Hyperion Ecta on Oct 12, 2009 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, ( maybe not so ) ya got to give them credit.
Any one else notice the beating we’re taking physically ? I know it’s a violent game, however, it seems we’re losing that injury battle big time. How many players will be on that list come Wednesday ? Glad to see the reserves playing good, but, who’s availble behind them ? Getting guys off the street sure is getting old. Be nice to see a healthy team for a change…
by Keevatron on Oct 12, 2009 9:51 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That's alright...
Our backups are just as good as our starters…lol
by CLF on Oct 12, 2009 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs




















