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The Monday Morning Microscope: Week 6

I'm all about context.  As a finance analyst, my job is about more than just the hard, cold data at the end of the day.  It's about the environment and circumstances that drive that data to be able to properly measure and analyze it.  Now, I refuse to sit here this morning and make excuses for the extraordinarily shoddy play by the Lions yesterday, but I do think a little context is needed. 

This is a wounded team right now.  Yesterday was a perfect storm of injuries, mental lapses, environment and yes, unquestionably poor play in every phase of the game.  But what this really shows - glaringly, I might add - is our lack of depth.  For a team coming off the season it had last year, there is no room for injuries when it comes to your few, real playmakers.  As we have seen, once these guys are out, we are not even competitive.  So the end result was that for the first time this season, I can say that there was no progress made.  Yesterday was a step backwards.  This regression occurred on a number of levels and it's really tough to gauge its full impact on the team and the season.  I'll get into this a little deeper....

Star-divide

What we know now offensively... We know that if Stafford misses significant time, we are smacked two-fold.  First, we miss out on valuable experience that might somewhat reduce our gains for next season and surely adds to a significant reduction in our offensive abilities this year.  Second, Stafford being out has clearly shown that we don't have a viable back-up option, as Culpepper is... I'm very sorry to say... done in this league as a starter and Stanton just hasn't had enough reps and remains unpolished at best.  We know that Calvin being out absolutely destroys any chance of a running attack as there are no other receivers viewed as threats on this team.  Johnson is a game-changer, through and through.  He and Stafford need this valuable time together to build the ever-important chemistry between a quarterback and a top receiver.  We also know that our offensive line cannot withstand constant blitzing and eight men in the box.  Without a passing threat like Johnson, defenses just send everything at the offensive line, knowing we can't block it and our quarterbacks can't get it done.

What we now know defensively... We know that Sammie Hill and Dewayne White need to get healthy in a hurry.  We know that pressure is the ONLY way to mask the symptoms of a truly diseased secondary.  Hopefully, everyone realizes that this secondary is unfixable this year.  Unless Mayhew can put together some blockbuster trade before tomorrow, there are no diamonds in the rough to be had from combing the waiver wire that will save this sinking ship.  I think it is very unlikely that the Lions make any trades for several reasons.  First, we have nothing to offer.  What players on the Lions roster are trade-worthy?  Exactly... none.  Second, Mayhew is building for the future and will not nor should not offer draft picks as compensation to try to buffer the secondary play in a season that is going nowhere fast.  That would be counterproductive to the long-term strategy of this team.  We just have to ride this out and hope that our defensive line gets healthy and starts to get more pressure on opposing quarterbacks.

 

Thoughts About the Game:

  • I think I'll just make it habit to start with the quarterbacks. It's the most intriguing storyline anyway. Culpepper simply affirmed everything I wrote about him last week. This week, his flaws were simply magnified by an unrelenting defense, hell-bent on blitzing or stacking the box every play. If Stafford and Johnson continue to be on the bench, this is the blueprint for every team to shut out the Lions. Culpepper basically folded under the pressure. The defense came at him fast and furious all day and he just couldn't read-and-react quick enough. As pocket after pocket collapsed, so did Daunte. Like I said last week, Culpepper needs time to go through his progressions. Once he feels pressure, he mentally breaks down and is left scrambling to make a play. He's a gifted athlete, so sometimes this works and sometimes it doesn't. Yesterday, it just all fell apart for him. I don't think he's as bad as he played yesterday and the receivers did little to help him, but as a starter... he's washed up, I'm afraid. Stanton fared a little better because he stood firm in the pocket even as it crumbled. He showed some poise in there. His downfall, I feel, is that he is simply too green. He hasn't had enough true-blue, meaningful game experience and he is prone to making critical mistakes - like his second interception. He doesn't have the skill-set that Stafford has to make up for the lack of experience. I think Stanton has some upside though. In my humble opinion, I think Stanton should be the number two and if the Lions can get even a seventh round pick for Culpepper, they should trade him by tomorrow.
  • The Calvin Johnson factor on this team is immeasurable. The Packers match-up without him was so lopsided that the NFL's competition committee should have been consulted before the game. The score should have been more like 38-0, in all honesty. All the Packers did was play to stop the run or blitz on every play and let Bryant Johnson and Dennis Northcutt try to beat Al Harris and Charles Woodson one-on-one. Can you say "mismatch"? Without Calvin on the outside, the Packers simply disregarded our outside game altogether. They gave it no respect, nor should they have. It was a joke. Very few offensive lines in the league could stand up to the constant blitzing and run stuffing like the Packers did yesterday. The receivers needed to be fast off the line and get open on quick slants and outs and they failed to get it done all day long. Kevin Smith continues to take a beating because of this lack of production by the receivers. I think Daunte would have seen fewer blitzes with Calvin in the game, too. No one can cover Calvin Johnson. Woodson? Harris? Puh-lease... No one can cover him.
  • The one bright spot has been the tattered remnants of our defensive line. Now, I'm not saying that they played well for sixty minutes, but for what we had to work with, they did pretty well. I'll say it this way... I'll take Avril, Jackson, Cohen and McBride's pressure from yesterday over any game we played last year. That's without some starters. I feel pretty good about that, I guess. This unit has surprised me some, considering the low expectations I had for them. I definitely think we need to add at least one defensive tackle and end next year, but I think we will have solid depth at that position in a year or two. Problem is there just isn't enough talent there to get pressure the whole game right now. There are not even enough players healthy to form a solid rotation. Once everyone is back, this unit might be pretty good.
  • Special teams are still a disaster. The blocking on returns is atrocious and block-shedding on kickoffs and punts is ridiculous. We will not win another game this season if we can't alter the field position battle. Of course, most of this lies with the offense's inability to move the ball. It's a vicious circle that goes round and round until one unit makes something happen. When the offense goes three and out, then the punt coverage allows forty yards on the return and the defense can't get off the field on 3rd and 8.... you lose. Want proof... check the Lions' stats from 2001-08.
  • I don't think the bye week could have come soon enough for the Lions. Can you imagine if we would have had a week 10 bye? Good Lord. This team is beaten, battered and bruised. I just pray that they use this time to regroup, get healthy and come out swinging in week 8, because they cannot lose to the Rams. What they need to do is come out and slaughter the Rams. I mean like a 35-7 beatdown. Show the fans that with a full deck, they are competitive and better than your average cellar-dweller in this league. Matt and C.J. need to get back on the field and show that they will be a dominant tandem in this league for years to come. They have some very winnable games down the stretch and they need to get back on the right track. This week they completely derailed.

I'll say it one more time, I think we have to look at the Packers loss with a little context.  The Lions lost to a good team, on the road with a lot of good players not on the field.  It was a brutal and deadly cocktail right from the start.  To be honest, it could have been (and maybe should have been) a lot worse.  Maybe it's the ever-present optimist in me, but I thought we played very well against the run and got some good pressure on Rodgers - if only sporadically.  It was the offense that was just dismal for the entire game.  I haven't looked at the official stats, but did we cross midfield more than twice all game?  I'd venture a guess that we did not.  Most thought that we would be 0-6 at the bye and we're 1-5.  I can list about a dozen teams in the league right now that would be no better than that after playing our schedule.  It's time for us all to take a deep breath... exhale... then get set for the second stretch of games that should offer several opportunities for us to get wins.  The most important thing for the Lions right now is to get healthy.

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I vote for moving

Peterson to DT permanently…lol.

Did anyone else notice his penetration on those goal line packages…. why can’t he do that on offense?

by CLF on Oct 19, 2009 1:12 PM EDT reply actions  

I agree

I said that in the game thread….lol

by KDawg on Oct 19, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great write up Drew. Thought provoking as always.

I disagree about Stanton though. For a guy who is supposed to be mobile he gets sacked more often than Kitna. Nine times in 28 attempts in 2008 and 2009. That is a sack rate of 25%! That is unbelievably horrible.
I realize Stanton is in some ways more of a rookie than Staff, but I think Daunte deserves another chance to prove that he can run this team. If Culpepper started against the Rams and could not move the team, I think that Stanton should move up to #2 and Daunte should be released once they persuade Vinny Testaverde to come out of retirement.

by NorthLeft12 on Oct 19, 2009 1:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Let the young guys play.

A veteran QB was just given 2 starts and the only thing he proved is that he is inconsistant at best.

Maybe it was just this game, but it seemed the offense came alive with Stanton in the game… hell he matched Daute’s stats in just 2 drives.

by CLF on Oct 19, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

i agree

first of all 9 out of 28 isn’t 25%…thats 7 out of 28.
i would still start stanton, when staf isnt available. there is no point in playing duante…hes old and has already proven not a reliable backup (ie he got hurt….AGAIN!). stanton might have been sacked a lot, but he has patience, he has some legs, and a decent arm. with exp, he should play much better…he could be a franchise backup qb (ya i just made that up).

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by Latif Masud on Oct 19, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

He is under contract.

Stanton was drafted in 2007 and has a four year contract with the Lions. If he does not get any playing time, he may not gender any interest when he becomes a FA.

by MGLion on Oct 19, 2009 3:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

ya i meant sorgi

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by Latif Masud on Oct 19, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why would he?

He’s getting paid mad cash to hold the clipboard and watch one of the best QBs in the league every week……best seat in the house! Sorgi is a glorified fan of the Colts!

by KDawg on Oct 19, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

i guess...

to make more mad money to play for a bad team like other franchise backup to starters like matt cassel.

but then again, cassel is getting his a** kicked in KC, so ya i guess holding a clipboard is more comforting in one sense

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by Latif Masud on Oct 19, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's just like Todd Collins

Play once in a blue moon, get paid, never get hit for the most part.

Pride of Detroit, SB Nation's Lions Blog

by Sean Yuille on Oct 19, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

And to add...

When does Drew play? Garbage time. Which means its purely shotgun pass plays with the defense pinning their ears back blitzing like crazy.

by CLF on Oct 19, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Uhhhh

The 9 sacks are not included in the 28 attempts…..so you have to add 28+9 to get the total number of passing plays attempted = 37. 9/37 = .2432432432432 or in other words roughly 24.3%.

by KDawg on Oct 19, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

However.....

The stat is not entirely indicative of the actual story……

by KDawg on Oct 19, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

ya...

i kinda forgot about that
lol

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by Latif Masud on Oct 19, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks KDawg for clarifying my math.

I don’t think I agree with the view that Stanton has faced all out blitzs in garbage time. In some cases he was so far behind that the opposition just sat back with seven or eight man coverage and tried to keep everything in front.
I just don’t see Stanton using his mobility that much. He seems to stand around and wait for the pocket to collapse around him, then he has nowhere to go.

by NorthLeft12 on Oct 20, 2009 7:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Top to bottom...

…I don’t think I would argue with any of this.

The opening play was a microcosm of the entire game: Poor play by the Lions accented by great play by the Packers…but ultimately tempered results due to penalties.

To me this was the most dissapointing performance of the year. The injuries didn’t help matters, but the Lions took an @$$ whoopin and could barely muscle up enough to mutter “uncle”. We all knew depth was a problem, for that matter, about half the team’s “starters” would be depth players on other NFL rosters…but as a whole the team’s performance was a GIANT step backwards.

Bring on the bye week, and get your $#!t right boys…the Rams is a MUST win!!!

by Mushy on Oct 19, 2009 1:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Very disappointing game

Yes the Lions were battered up this game, but they were just as battered last week (I don’t think losing Eric King made this team significantly worse). Though we probably shouldn’t have won last week, we made a case for ourselves around the league. This week was an inexcusable performance from pretty much everyone.

Surely this doesn’t damn the team for the rest of the year, in fact, this performance means nothing now that the game is over. It was one poor week, and in my opinion that puts the lions at 4-2 on solid performances through six weeks. Yes, you’d like to have a few more wins than 1 after four “good” weeks, but a good performance from a past 0-16 team is only going to get you so far.

So here’s to having another solid 6-8 games after the bye week. Cheers.

Read my Lions analysis at: http://www.studyofsports.com/?cat=142

by simscity on Oct 19, 2009 1:49 PM EDT reply actions  

a HUGE disappointment

I have to disagree with the whole context argument only form how we played last week against the steelers. we didn’t have staf or calvin and we almost pulled tha tone out, then this week, was just a complete disaster, the d was bad, special teams were horrible, and culpepper is a joke.

by eatemuplions on Oct 19, 2009 2:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Good article, but you forgot something...

Green Bay was also coming off a bye. They had one whole week of rest as well as extra time to prepare for the Lion’s. Teams coming off of byes generally crush their first opponent. Especially when the return game is home. So far, teams coming off bye weeks and playing at home are 5-0 with an average difference of points being +15.2.

by UniBallOut on Oct 19, 2009 2:27 PM EDT reply actions  

how come no one else notices that

think of it this way: not only do the players get to heal, but the coaches get double the time to prepare schemes, and study their opponent, and its pretty much the perfect storm

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by Latif Masud on Oct 19, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I was thinking about this yesterday...

but forgot to include it here. Very, very important point.

by DrewsLions on Oct 19, 2009 3:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Some do

Degenerate gamblers notice ; )

But so does Vegas : (

by UniBallOut on Oct 19, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

We put all of those eggs in one basket

and now, the chickens are coming home to roost. I agree, # 9 & # 81 are the future and franchise of the Lions, however, since they are now scrambled, there is a huge drop off in the level of talent. I think our other receivers are adequate, they just need some one to get them the ball. It’s got to be the short routes and chip away. The running game has a good mix also. Frankly, Stanton going from # 3 to # 1 is a huge jump, however, these next two weeks can give him the time to get ready to beat the Lambs. I get the feeling our defense and special teams won’t be on the golf course while on the bye week…

by Keevatron on Oct 19, 2009 5:29 PM EDT reply actions  

Good luck waiting for Stafford

I dislocated my left kneecap twice. I’ll be amazed if Stafford starts another game this season, let alone finishes one. And if it happens a second time, it’s straight to surgery.

by Montesa_vr on Oct 19, 2009 5:32 PM EDT reply actions  

Thanks, Dr. Montesa...

If he is out for the season, I’ll eat my shoe. I think if the injury was that bad, their NFL caliber training staff and medical staff would not have let him come even close to setting foot on the practice field last week. Not that I doubt your “expert medical opinion”, but I think they know best.

BTW… I once had a hangnail that plagued me for weeks, hopefully he doesn’t get one of those because I’d be amazed if could could grip the ball for the rest of the season… lol.

by DrewsLions on Oct 19, 2009 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah... wow

That’s what I think when I read statements dealing in absolutes. Got any inside info besides your own knee that says Stafford won’t play or finish another game this season? Didn’t think so……

by DrewsLions on Oct 19, 2009 11:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol....

Didn’t have your V8 today, did you?….

by CLF on Oct 20, 2009 7:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

There are no such thing as absolutes.....

However, historically speaking…….from a medical perspective……see my comment at the bottom of the following thread:
http://www.prideofdetroit.com/2009/10/18/1089808/stafford-might-need-surgery-fml

by KDawg on Oct 20, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

That he might have a serious injury is not my point...

It’s that Montesa is giving a medical opinion for Stafford’s “season ending injury” based on the fact he once hurt his knee. Nevermind the fact that no one really knows what exactly the injury is and to what extent the knee is injured. Not very medical or scientific and then stated his point as an absolute. Just adds to the gossip out there. Serious pet peeve of mine……….

by DrewsLions on Oct 20, 2009 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

You know, Drew, you have an excellent blog, and on the whole you seem like an reasonable person, so your reaction to my post seems out of character. The only prediction I made was a second patellar dislocation would require surgery. I never said Stafford has a season ending injury. I said I’d be amazed if he played again this year. I was amazed last year when Jared Allen played again with a separated shoulder.

Stafford suffered a severe knee sprain in high school, combined with a patellar dislocation. If he has now suffered a related injury (and as you say, that information has not been released to us mere fans) then it does suggest he faces some obstacles to returning to the playing field.

http://orthopedics.about.com/cs/patelladisorders/a/kneecapdisloc_2.htm

by Montesa_vr on Oct 20, 2009 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Montesa....

you stated above, and I quote, “I’ll be amazed if Stafford starts another game this season, let alone finishes one”. Not “if Stafford get injured again, I’ll be amazed….” I just get tired of people feeding rampant speculation about something they have no inside information on.

Maybe I came at you a little strong, but you should be able to back up statements when called out or questioned, IMO. The Lions org has already said this injury has nothing to do with his high school injury, so guessing at his length of time out is pure and utter speculation when none of knows the extent or true nature of the injury.

by DrewsLions on Oct 21, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I had to shutdown a guy at a poker last night....

Made a comment to me like ‘i hear stafford is out for the year’… and after I mentioned twice that he wasn’t he tried to pull the ‘but I heard in on ESPN’…

So I whipped out the “Yeah, well I heard it right from Stafford on the Mitch Albom radio show THIS morning and I for one would believe first hand than some hear say ESPN jock 3rd person information”… the room was kind of silent for a couple seconds as I realized that I jumped his shit pretty hard because of a minute issue.

But I did follow up with, “listen, Drew was into surgery less than 10hrs after his preseason injury… Don’t you think the Lions would be faster with a $41million QB?”

That pretty much sums it up.

by CLF on Oct 21, 2009 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, it's tough when...

you hear this crap all day long. Mostly, it’s from those with a pro-Culpepper or anti-Stafford agenda. Guess I’m a little touchy on this.

by DrewsLions on Oct 21, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

So if this had been my first post on your blog, I wouldn’t have gotten the same reaction. Thanks for clearing that up.

by Montesa_vr on Oct 21, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Lol... okay... Not really sure what you mean by that, but...

I’m sorry that you feel I’m being “unfair” or whatever to the statement you made. I would have made the exact same comment to anyone here stating exactly what you did.

I think you are peeved because I came back sarcastically. That was on purpose. When you start your statement with “Good luck waiting for Stafford”, you are baiting me a little. You follow that with an inference that Stafford won’t play again, I can’t take it seriously… thus the sarcasm and tongue-in-cheek pokes. None of us know the extent of his injury and haven’t a clue about how long he will be out.

I think you need to relax a little and just realize that I call it like I see it and don’t mince words. Don’t comment if you don’t want me to retort. As for you personally… I got no problems. I read everyone’s comments on my posts and encourage everyone to give honest opinions, but I will in-turn give honest rebuttals.

BTW… this isn’t my blog site… it’s Sean’s. I’m just an author for the site.

by DrewsLions on Oct 21, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

For the record.....

I still agree with Montesa…..IF (no absolutes) Stafford did in fact dislocate his kneecap for a 2nd time…..that typically (and historically) leads to a recommendation of surgery to prevent it from recurring. IF it is more serious than minor displacement or damaged bone or cartilage, I too will be surprised if Stafford plays again this year. IF it is not, then he should be back soon unless he requires arthroscopic surgery, on which case he will be out for a few more weeks after the procedure. I understand where you are coming from too Drew, but you are a bit overly sensitive on the whole Stafford/Culpepper “agenda” issue. I think the key word to note in all of these comments is IF.

by KDawg on Oct 21, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

It's not really the Stafford/Culpepper agenda thing...

as much as it is the rampant speculation when we know pretty much nothing. Everyone at work knows that I am a diehard fan, so I can’t count the number of times these jokers come up to me and say “so Staff’s out for the season, eh?” or “so Staff’s having surgery ’cause his knee is broke” or some ignorant B.S. like that. Just irritating at best. If you don’t know what’s going on… don’t try to sound like you do. That’s all.

For the record… I can agree that it might be more serious than the Lions are letting on. Key word… might. Personally, I think he’ll be back for the Rams game.

by DrewsLions on Oct 21, 2009 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

For the record, I have completely spaced out on what I wrote in the subject field. I concede that sounds smart alecky and baiting. Hadn’t even thought about it until you mentioned it now. You’re right, you can’t go splash water in somebody’s face and then whine when they punch you back.

by Montesa_vr on Oct 21, 2009 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I probably should have...

kicked you in the shin versus punch you in the face, so sorry for going a little overboard…. :o)

No hard feelings…..

by DrewsLions on Oct 22, 2009 9:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

Don't take this the wrong way

I hated your writing when you got on here Drew, but write ups like these make me respect you more as a writer. Also I must admit I was wrong about drafting Stafford, he’s an NFL starter, and makes the offense better. I think we should cut deadweight in C.Pepp, and let Stanton get reps in with the offense and make him our perennial backup.

The fact of the matter is this team is in shambles from the Millen area and it’s not going to be fixed in one year. We have a few solid players that Millen left around…Sims, Avril, and Johnson. It’s my opinion that most of this team is only backup material on a real NFL team. Particularly the lines. I think the Linebackers are an exception where we actually have depth, but we have to add threats all around, and this season is really not going to be one where we’re going to go to the playoffs or even be competitive. It’s a rebuilding year, and we shouldn’t really have any illusions that it was anything to the contrary.

by rmatheny on Oct 19, 2009 5:47 PM EDT reply actions  

Ummm... thanks, I think?

I really hated you, but now you’re okay… lol. Not sure how to take that, but I digress…

You are right on the back-ups plugged in as starters bit. It’s going to take two more off-seasons before we will have sufficient talent in most areas of this team. We are a bit deeper than in the past, but that’s not saying much. On a team with mediocre talent, injuries become brutal. We are seeing that brutality firsthand.

I’ll try to keep my level of writing on par with your standards, rmatheny. Wouldn’t want to be hated…. tough crowd….

by DrewsLions on Oct 19, 2009 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

I've always liked your writing

You’re probably my favorite writer on this site, very analytical (along with Sean, who’s great at digging up information and presenting it to us clearly). Your articles are always thoughtful and easy to read. It also doesn’t hurt that your conclusions always seem to match mine…..we think alike.

What? He can’t block a dead gopher? Humph, details.

by GRLion on Oct 19, 2009 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

ya ur not bad

although, ur a bit more optimistic than I am.

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by Latif Masud on Oct 19, 2009 9:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Disappointed I suppose

Like I said before, I sorta expected a game like this, and it just seemed like this was the game were we would just look out of our league. There are a few things that were at least decent about the game. Kevin Smith tried hard and the Defensive Line did a good job of getting pressure. I’m just hoping that we get healthy after this bye.

I’m very nervous about the Rams game.

2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).

by Hyperion Ecta on Oct 19, 2009 7:15 PM EDT reply actions  

I'll be nervous if Stafford and C.J. are not back.

If we have those two plus a Sammie Hill or a Dewayne White… we should stomp the Rams. If those guys are not back… I join you in the nervousness, Hyperion.

by DrewsLions on Oct 19, 2009 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think we can take them with our second squad

We get the Rams after a bye week, so our coaching staff gets two weeks to prepare for probably the crappiest team in the league. Duate, Bryant Johnson, Northcutt, K Smith and Pettigrew are more than enough to handle them.

remember, teams coming off a bye are 5-0 this season, and that trend usually continues in the NFL every season

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by Latif Masud on Oct 19, 2009 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great post, Drew

I missed the game on TV. From what I’ve read about it here on POD, I’m kinda glad I did

by JazzyBBP on Oct 19, 2009 8:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, you didn't miss anything, Jazzy

It was brutal from the opening kick until Green Bay took a knee.

by DrewsLions on Oct 19, 2009 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Defensive Line

when are we going to see shaun smith…..i know he was suspended the first four games of the season but the guy is a beast and next to sammie hill or grady jackson (like more with sammie hill) would help our D-line instantly……..play the man already!

by Timberlandking on Oct 20, 2009 4:25 AM EDT reply actions  

I'm pretty sure we cut him

2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).

by Hyperion Ecta on Oct 20, 2009 7:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yes, not sure if anyone else picked him up though.

On a related note, Turk McBride has not looked out of place on our D line. I mean that as a compliment, not a shot.

I hope that the Lions don’t do anything foolish and give up our future for another stop gap. I am pretty confident that Mayhew and Schwartz are committed to fighting through this season with what we have and what we can get for free, then reloading in 2010 after an evaluation of who is worth keeping from 2009.

by NorthLeft12 on Oct 20, 2009 7:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Turk

Yeah, he has done pretty well, especially when you consider how little time he’s had with the team. 1.5 sacks in a game isn’t to shabby. However, I wanna see him get the pressure on teams with decent O-lines, not the swiss cheese that Green Bay front five is.

2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).

by Hyperion Ecta on Oct 20, 2009 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Culpepper washed up?

Got a yahbut to throw in there, and it’s definitely something you mentioned, but maybe didn’t give enough weight to: the lack of Calvin Johnson out there to bail Culpepper out.

Are we sure that Stafford would have done much better against the unrelenting, focused Packers pass rush without having the luxury of a Calvin Johnson out there?

Both of C-Pep’s starts so far have coincided with Johnson’s missed games (I’m discounting the cameo appearance in the Steelers game, obviously), and I’m not sure any of the quarterbacks on this squad would have fared any differently.

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by ahtrap on Oct 20, 2009 11:55 AM EDT reply actions  

I thought I spent quite a fair bit on...

how much C.J. being out meant to this offense. If I didn’t emphasize that point enough, I meant to. No doubt that Johnson makes this offense go, but that can’t completely absolve Culpepper’s horrendous performance. He might be an okay emergency back-up, but Culpepper has a starter is washed up… I stand by that. In fact, I’m not so sure he’s better than Stanton right now. At the very least, Stanton has upside.

by DrewsLions on Oct 21, 2009 10:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

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