What about Vick?
by JonBoy247365 on Oct 19, 2009 5:35 PM EDT
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ok, lets wrap our minds around this. If stafford has to have surgery which i highly doubt, but if this where to happen why wouldnt we try to get mike vick, i know the trade deadline things over but vick would have been able to play because imo hes leaps and bounds above culpepper and stanton. we let him finish the season, rest stafford and then release him or trade him in the offseason,thoughts?
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I wouldn't trade my dog's crap for Mike Vick
He’s not that good and certainly is not worth a single draft pick IMO.
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but i would trade Seans dog's crap for T.O.
on second thought…….uh, no.
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i would trade for TO
for dog crap…as long as TO comes with a leash and permanent glue on his mouth
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Worst. Idea. Ever.
Vick is garbage. Not worth the time, effort or money.
hahahaha
my feelings exactly
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by handsomerob1 on Oct 19, 2009 8:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
I hate Mike Vick. He doesn’t belong here or in the NFL IMO
I spray paint my dog Honolulu Blue and Silver
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by NYCLionsfan on Oct 20, 2009 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Not a good idea
He won’t be cheap and he’s not that good. I believe Dante’s washed up,he’s had a couple of chances and has shown nothing,zippo. They should give Stanton a few chances if Stafford is a no go .
No way in hell.
He is not that good. In fact, he sucks, IMO. I think a pile of Seans dogs crap is worth more in trade than mike vick.
5th round?
maybe a 7th round pick…5th round means guys like aaron brown, who are a lot more, and a lot less bad publicity than vick
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A 5th round is a bust more than they make a team...
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by CapitolLions on Oct 19, 2009 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions
On the "old" Lion's team maybe
Right now, we need 5th rounders to make impacts. We need late round gems, not has-been or never-was quarterbacks….
Nope
Putting all the dog jokes aside, he’s never been a good QB in the NFL. Yes, he’s been able to make plays with his legs, but he’s never been able to run an NFL offense in the pocket. Linehan’s offense isn’t exactly the simplest system to run either.
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we dont need him
we have
Staff
c-pep
stanton
and next year will have
Staff
stanton
and some vet like a roal model vet… not some one that just got out of jail
Just Remember matt... what would Daunte do??
Next year....
We could get Jeff Fisher to play a roll here and a vet QB to be a roal model.
Pass the butter.
What? He can’t block a dead gopher? Humph, details.
Roal
Nice!
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by CapitolLions on Oct 20, 2009 12:17 AM EDT up reply actions
i was thinking josh cribbs type.
more of a triple threat rather than a rushing qb.
maybe they can pick up someone like that in the late rounds next year
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Cribbs is a boss!
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by CapitolLions on Oct 20, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions
i hope we dont draft a qb even if its the 7th round
need to many things to be pulling that crap
Just Remember matt... what would Daunte do??
only way i would take him is...
we give them a 7th the give us vick and and there 7th and the cash to cover the cap hit for who ever we cut
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I'd do it.
I love dogs, have 3. Though I don’t condone what he did… BUT the fact still remains…
Michael Vick is a great athlete and an exciting player to watch. Sure half his career is over, but there’s still another half togo. Would I make a trade for him… hell no… would I sign him as a FA… sure would.
I sure wish that the feds would’ve uncovered more perps associated to dog fighting…. Many of you root for players(not just football players) that are still involved and continue on the practice. Personally, I think wife slappers, gun toters, and those that act like thugs in strip joints are bigger wastes of space. Right or wrong in your eyes, he grew up with this underground sport. I see it in the same regards to cock fighting, Dog racing, UFC, etc.
Besides, Pitbulls are bred for one reason…. fighting. Those that buy/breed them have that in mind. Think about it… what’s the first thing in your mind when you see a pitbull… (ooo, that’s a pitbull… better be careful). They will NEVER get rid of this reputation… which is worse than Rots and pinchers.
And finally,
Do you still ride with that friend that once had a DUI? Do you drink with that person who had a MIP? Do you play cards with that guy who’s ‘done some time’? Who are you to keep judging a man after society has taken away everything he made due to his actions?
Get over it people.
Wow that pitbull comment was ignorant!
I don’t have pits, but I know people that do. I know people that have bred them. And not A SINGLE ONE was EVER bred for fighting. Only the most ignorant uneducated people intentionally breed any dog for fighting. The dog breed is not inherently mean. They are made mean. Pits are born with strong stout bodies and very strong jaws that idiots have decided to take advantage of and exploit.
Now that rant aside, I don’t give a rip about Vick the football player and his history outside of football. I don’t want him in Detroit cause he’s not a good QB. He never was. He made a few highlight reels and ESPN top plays and everyone drools over him like he’s the second coming and gonna save their football team. He’s lost a lot of that athletic edge that made him special. He’s not that smart and won’t pick up a complex offense. And while he has a strong arm, his accuracy sucks.
History proves you other wise....
The Pitbull was bred for fighting. Pitbulls are designed for fighting.
Whether or not people use them for fighting is irrelevant.
It is you who are ignorant.
Further more....
Some dogs breeds were made for hunting, some for killing moles,… likewise, the APBT is the ultimate fighting dog.
Whether or not people use them for this reason is irrelevant.
I realize that I wrote “Pitbulls are bred for one reason”… What I meant by that, is the design of the dog…. small ears, thick short neck, powerful jaw, muscular body…. makes it superior in the ring to other breeds. The dog has a long history of courage, tenacity and spirit perfect which can be added to the list of fighting assets.
lol
So you call me ignorant and then back peddle? Whether people abuse their animals for fighting is relevant. Its the basis for your whole comment. You said they have the reputation as a fighting dog. The dogs get the reputation because of what people use them for….not because they’re a mean evil dog breed. There’s no such thing. And they weren’t created/designed as a fighting dog, they were originally needed to control livestock such as cattle and hogs. Their body design does make them superior fighters, but its people that make them that way.
Back peddle?
Hardly. You’re insinuating that I think the breed is evil and should only be used for fighting.
Answer this question…. If your life depended on winning a dog fight… which breed of dog would you choose and why?
Doesn't Matter
Even if they were bred to be fighters, they were bred to fight other dogs, not humans. Vick drowned them by holding their heads under water, electrocuting them and hanging them by their necks from trees. They were defenseless against him and were killed because they were weak. Your “Get it over it people” comment is one of the most ignorant I’ve seen on this site.
I’m sure you’ll come up with some petty and trivial picture to upload to get your response across now. We all can’t wait for that (note the sarcasm).
I am a pitbull owner and lover
Not to start a big argument CLF, but I am responding to the comment that
Besides, Pitbulls are bred for one reason…. fighting. Those that buy/breed them have that in mind.
I have had and bred American Pit Bull Terriers all of my life. My Dad owned them and bred them, and now I own them and will breed them. We had one dog, the very first one I remember, that fought with another dog….but NEVER did we intentionally fight any of our pits, nor did we have that intention when we bought them and bred them. Our first Pit Bull was a 1 year old pup, and he saw a German Sheppard going after a little girl. He plowed the Sheppard and grubbed it…..end of story. He didn’t kill the dog or try to tear it to shreds. He stopped on command.
My current Pit Bull is a female, and she is a lover. She is one of the smartest animals I have ever seen. She is a great watchdog, and she wouldn’t hurt a fly. We live in a small city, and there has been multiple times when she has gotten loose when I opened the door, with people walking by with their dogs. She has run up to them, but never once has she even made a move of aggression toward another dog. It is not the dog that is the problem. Pit Bulls have been given a bad reputation for being mean because the people that owned them made them mean. The breed in itself is not inherently mean, but rather fiercely loyal, intelligent, and obedient.
The American Pit Bull Terrier’s origins come from the original English bull-baiting Bulldog and has historically been bred with working/performance goals in mind. The breed was originally used to distract Bulls for Bull Fighters and farmers…..thus the name “Pit Bull”. There are many historical references on the internet if you are interested in getting educated about the breed. Here is one link:
http://www.nyx.net/~mbur/apbtfaqover.html
As far as trading for Mike Vick goes.....
I think he is a player who could be used as an offensive weapon in many different aspects, not just as a QB. He may not be a very accurate passer, but he is very mobile and he CAN throw the ball. If he came cheap, I wouldn’t be against having him in a Lion’s uniform. What he did to those dogs was wrong, and while we should not forget what he did we should forgive him and move on. As long as he does not do it again, then it may be true that he learned his lesson. He has paid his debt to society.
Mike Vick adds another dimension to any offense he is part of…..much like Darren Sproles, Ronnie Brown, or even Devin Hester. They are homerun threats and their presence alone forces defense to plan accordingly. I know Vick is not a great QB…..but he could be useful.
I don't see any use for him though
There’s no doubting that Vick is an athlete. But, those three guys you mentioned, Sproles, Brown and Hester, are home run threats from their own position. Vick however, plays QB. Obviously a scrambling QB is useful at times, but let’s face it, we don’t want Vick under centre, thats Stafford’s place.
So, Vick would have to line up elsewhere, taking up a roster spot. He’d then only be brought on for trick packages where I don’t see him being too effective since D-Cooridinators will make adjustments, like you said. So then, he’d have to be a decoy, and do we want to waste space on our roster for a decoy?
I don’t..
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by Hyperion Ecta on Oct 20, 2009 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions
How about backup or 3rd QB??
Daunte will be gone after this year. Vick would add another dimension to our already lackluster offense, plus provide us with a one-two type of punch at QB. We could use some different formations, mix it up, and hopefully confuse the crap out of some opposing defenses with it. Vick would not have to take up any roster spot other than his given position…..and it just so happens that we will have an empty roster spot there soon. Stafford could line up under center, with Vick split wide…..and we could use him in some trick plays and situational roles. He would not be solely a decoy, but he would also be used in that role. I don’t think enough people are giving him the credit he deserves…..he’s a better football player than people want to give him credit for.
If we somehow lost Stanton than maybe I'd think about it
Since I think Stanton is similar to Vick as a QB (both good on their feet, less so with their arm, can be game winners). However, I would like to keep Stanton since he has put the hard yards in as a Lion. The other spot, the 3rd QB spot, I believe should be for a veteren FA QB, someone who could provide a steady hand if Stafford gets injured. Vick is not that sorta player.
The whole confusing defences with trick packages thing, while possibly advantageous with Vick, is not something I particularly want the Lion pursuing.
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by Hyperion Ecta on Oct 21, 2009 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions
As I tried to explain in another post...
Is that THE master Breeder of the modern american pitbull had one thing in mind, fighting.
The make up of the dog itself is a fighting machine.
I realize that not all owners/breeders use or breed the dog for fighting, in fact I agree that MOST do not.
However, Dogs are working animals… each breed had a history on why/how it came to be. The pitbull came to be because of Dog fighting.
I’m not putting the breed down, I love all dogs and have 3 myself.
Again.....
No THE master Breeder of the modern American pitbull didn’t have fighting in mind. See KDawg’s post as he worded it much better then I did.
The American Pit Bull Terrier’s origins come from the original English bull-baiting Bulldog and has historically been bred with working/performance goals in mind. The breed was originally used to distract Bulls for Bull Fighters and farmers…..thus the name "Pit Bull". There are many historical references on the internet if you are interested in getting educated about the breed. Here is one link:
http://www.nyx.net/~mbur/apbtfaqover.html
Hey, bucko...
I’ve been pretty civil in this thread.
and I’ve also addressed every point in your post.
Agreed...
Some dogs were meant to do somethings….I have a German Shepherd and He alerts on everything…All the time. If someone walks by on the sidewalk, he loses it. I mean, he doesn’t attack or bit anyone, but its his nature. They were bread to be guard dogs, they do that.
Pitbulls were originally bread to fight.
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by CapitolLions on Oct 20, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions
people..people...
I know CLF’s comment at the start seemed a little offensive. In my mind, I thought it was offensive (to a degree) too, but he explained himself, and I don’t think he meant it in a bad way. Maybe his comment should have been worded a little differently though.
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not originally
look it up if u want to, or if you’re lazy just look at KDawgs comment, they were originally bread to help farmers and whatnot. The problem is that more recently, a lot pittbulls are bread to fight, thats where they get the bad rep.
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I have a pitbull
H’es not a fighter at all. Its the owner, not the breed.
I spray paint my dog Honolulu Blue and Silver
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by NYCLionsfan on Oct 20, 2009 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions
you are a good owner.
But that doesn’t mean the breed wasn’t orginally bread to be a fighter.
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by CapitolLions on Oct 20, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions
His ancestors were brought to the United States in the mid – 1800’s by Boston-Irish immigrants. Originally bred from a variety of bulldogs and terriers, American breeders increased his weight and gave him a more powerful head. A forbearer to the Staffordshire Bull Terrier, they were originally bred to be a fighting dog. Bull baiting was banned in England in 1835 and these dogs are no longer being bred to fight. There is some complication in registries of this breed. The AKC considers the American Staffordshire Terrier as separate and distinct from the American Pit Bull Terrier, yet the UKC will register both as American Pit Bull Terriers (APBTs).
Oh, if forgot to add the dig at the end...
if you want to edmacate yourself or are too lazy to look it up…. follow the links I provided.
wink, wink
-CLF
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by CapitolLions on Oct 21, 2009 12:56 PM EDT up reply actions
As if National Public Radio is the be all and end all of history.....
Find a more solid source and you might own something other than a pile of crap.
Here you go.....
Dianne Jessup is a world renown expert on the history of the APBT. Here’s a link to her official website:
http://www.workingpitbull.com/history.htm
And here is some of her personal history:
http://www.paws.org/about/mag/issues/issue49/copilot.php
Come'on Kdawg....
You know as well as I, most of those sites are geared toward covering up and disassociating Pitbulls with dog fighting as if it was a small minute portion of their history.
The paragraph I quoted was from… bulldogbreeds.com…. I didn’t realize I had to prove my point from your selected sites.
Here’s a couple more….
LINK
It is common knowledge however, that the Pit Bull breed was developed for blood sports: Bull baiting, bear baiting, and later, dogfighting. What is not common knowledge is that in the days of organized dogfighting, the handlers of the combatants were habitually IN THE PIT with the dogs for the duration of the fight. They were required to pick up and separate the dogs several times while the dogs were in full fight frenzy. Before the fight, the handlers were required to wash each other’s dogs, and after the fight, the badly injured dogs were often treated at ringside by strangers.
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The breed eventually to be known as the American Pit Bull Terrier was
selectively bred specifically with the idea of it becoming the ultimate
canine gladiator. But by virtue of the fact that so much of the breed was
made up of versatile bulldog blood, the breed also proved adept at a
number of non-fighting activities, including those which the bulldog had
been used for.
....
Even though the APBT has historically been bred to excel in combat with other dogs, a well-bred APBT has a rock-steady temperament and, contrary to popular belief, is NOT inherently aggressive towards humans. However, as adults, some APBTs may show aggression towards other dogs. This fact, along with the APBT’s strength and determination, should be taken into account when considering if the APBT is the right breed for you. As with any companion dog, socialization and consistent fair-minded training is a must from a very early age.
I found and read all of those links myself....long ago
And I will agree that HISTORICALLY the APBT was bred to fight…..but NOT originally.
The APBT is a "tweaked"
Breed of dog, bred to be a superior fighting machine. Obviously, (and thankfully) people found good use for them as they moved out to the new west, where Dogs were put to work.
But the main breeding happened in the urban areas where we all agree Dog fighting existed.
Vick has fewer passing yards than Drew Henson the past 3 seasons.
We already have a somewhat mobile, once-good, 3x ProBowl backup QB on our roster.
duate...mobile??
He was mobile in his prime, but he has had a bunch of surgeries. He is not the same QB, and the Drew Henson to Vick comparison is useless. If Vick didn’t go to prison, he would thrown for a lot more than Henson.
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In an amazing coincidence.......
O.J. Simpson, ‘Tater’ Bell, and myself have all rushed for the same number of yards this year.
What? He can’t block a dead gopher? Humph, details.
little surprised
that no NFL team wanted to pick up Bell…he was a solid NFL back
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I think a few teams looked at him
but he always left with somebody else’ s gym bag instead of a contract.
The dog fighting has nothing to do with it.
He would not fit well in our system. Maybe if we ran a wildcat offense or a version of it but we don’t. Stafford is the future QB and I don’t see why you would adjust your offense just to get Vick. Yes he was a run threat but we have running backs.
Personally, If Staff can’t go in 2 weeks, I think Stanton should get the start for 2 reasons.
It would get him some development in game situations, like Stafford.
I think he did enough in pre-season to earn that right.
Daunte will be gone at the end of season anyway.
I agree
The dog fighting isnt why i wouldnt want him, hes an average QB who can run, and now he appears to have lost a step. Whether or not he gets his speed back really doesnt matter. He would end up being one of those QB’s that we would wait to be the man, and before you know it 6 years have past and still nothing, kinda like the Joey Harrington experiment. How many times did we say “oh, hes gonna put it together this year, just watch.” and then POOF ! he turns into a shit sandwich
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This thread is hilarious
It’s barely worth considering since Vick at his best still only makes this a 4-5 win team. I am concerned that if Stafford misses the rest of the year we will be a 1-2 win team but either way you don’t trade for someone to help you be medicore.
I can't believe I ate the whole thing!
by tigerfaninChicago on Oct 20, 2009 11:10 PM EDT reply actions
i know
this thread is kinda funny.
oh and trade deadline ended 31 mins ago
haha
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by Latif Masud on Oct 21, 2009 12:30 AM EDT up reply actions
Although I cringed at the thought of another Vick post
At least I’ve learned some things as a result of this one. Thanks, KDwag and CLF.
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