I wanted BJ Raji. The kids improved a bit, then got injured. Kinda early to put him in the “bust” catagory.
Which stud O-Lineman did you want the Lions to draft?
Didn’t Peyton Manning fail to win the SEC and the big game, too?

sorry, would love to stick around to discuss this intelligent post further…but to borrow from my friend jazzy on another thread…please follow link

http://i646.photobucket.com/albums/uu188/tehwolf/Notthisshitagain.jpg

ps…i wasn’t a staff supporter at draft time either…but at least i shared my opinions at that time…not as an after the fact genious sort…now…now i see him as a qb that has shown progress, good command of the offense and a bright future w/ the lions

You don’t give up do you rbanner……that is admirable. Stick to your guns! I think Stafford’s college career and accomplishments had much less to do with his poor decision making, lack of leadership, and lack of composure (he has shown nothing but composure and ability to lead since becoming the starter for the Lions…..and his decision making is improving) than it had to do with the pathetic excuse that the University of Georgia called an offensive line. Not only that, but who did he have to throw too? The entire offense was Stafford and Moreno….and those two guys made a below average team into a pretty solid team. True, Stafford did not lead Georgia to the SEC title, but they were co-champions of the SEC East with Tennessee in 2007. Tennessee had the tie breaker and went on to the SEC Championship game. The Stafford led Georgia Bulldogs did play in bowl games in every year that he was their QB (the latest being the 2009 Capital One Bowl vs MSU, where Stafford led them to victory with a huge 2nd half) including the 2008 Sugar Bowl, which was a BCS game (this coming at the end of the 2007 season, when they were co-champions of the SEC East with Stafford as a Sophomore). The Bulldogs were 5th in the Nation with a 10-2 record, and they pounded #10 Hawaii for the victory.

I understand not wanting Stafford to get drafted by the Lions, if only for the fact that they could have drafted a LT. However, continually bashing the kid after he has shown promise and poise in a couple of professional games is even hard for me (one of the biggest anti-Stafford proponents prior to the draft, and one of the biggest pro-Culpepper proponents before the season began…..I too did not want the Lions to take a QB, and once they did I certainly did not want him to start) to swallow. Either you are a Lions fan or you aren’t. Most of us have given in to the fact that no matter how much we bitch and moan, all that does is irritate others and instigate arguments. Most of us have decided that whatever will be will be (Que Sera Sera). It doesn’t matter if you slam Stafford until you are blue in the face and your hands fall off from carpal tunnel syndrome…..you aren’t going to change anything, and you definitely won’t make many friends here. Once upon a time, I agreed with you 100%…..but I have watched the kid play, looked past the rookie mistakes, and seen the QB that Stafford can, and hopefully will be. Let’s focus on the good, block out the bad…..harness good, block out bad…..go with the flow.

Is it me or is this post rather untimely. News Flash Stafford has not been healthy or on the field for the last two weeks. When he was playing all the posts I have seen about Stafford have been, for the most part, positive.

Do you want to compare him to the other starting rookie quarterback?

Sanchez 5 TD 10 INT and a QB Rating of 56.7 he is 85 for 163 (52%)
Stafford 3 TD 6 INT QB Rating 65.5. He is 79 for 139 (56.8%)

If you analyze this, Stafford has a more extensive offensive role, a worse line, a weaker defense, a similar schedule, yet seems to match if not exceed his rookie competition. So if you want to see he was not even the #1 QB on the boards, who cares the stats at the moment show that he is the better even with a weaker team. Stafford is genuine and cares about the team he plays for, at the moment he is all i want from a starting quarterback in a rebuilding franchise. Everyone says he looks like the real deal so until he proves me otherwise. I want him starting, I want him healthy, and I want him as my franchise QB.

OH and.

FIGHT!!!!!!

The Lions and Schwartz chose to draft QB first instead of build the line. I to was with kdawg on this one. I could get over the draft but don’t start him. I guess I will take my crow BBQed as Culpepper has looked awful. Not winning the NCAA title, as tanted as it is, does not mean Staff won’t work out. IMO, he is way ahead of where I thought he would be.
The dawg has the idea. Have a beer, sit back, and go with it. At least it feels like we are going forward instead of back.

1. Decision making: stafford has a completion percentage of 56.7%. thats higher than Pro Bowlers like McNabb, and Hasselbeck. Veterans like Delhomme, C. Palmer, and Jay Culter have thrown more INT’s so far, and those teams have far better O-lines than the lions. Stafford is already a NFL caliber QB..the more he plays, the better he will be.

2. Accomplishments. If you havent noticed, the last three teams that won the SEC, won the BCS championship. There are two national title contenders (LSU, and Florida) in the SEC that have waaaaay more talent than Georgia did the past three years. Also, you can’t blame one single player (even if it is the qb) for failing to win a championship…that responsibility is usually placed on a team, and how does not winning the “big game” in college have anything to do with being a good qb. Guys like manning and brady never won a BCS championship, yet they are the two most dominant qb’s right now.

3. Leadership: I havent watched enough of Georgia’s games to comment on his leadership or composure at UGA, but I have watched enough of him in preseason and regular season to know that he isnt easily rattled. the only time this season that I thought he looked rattled was the Saints game (his first start against one of the toughest Ds in the league)

4. Value. I dont know what draft boards you were looking at, but there were more than plenty of draft boards that evaluated him as the no 1 overall pick and the best talent in the draft.

…..Wow……give it a rest dude.

The first three points I don’t find all that relevent since your talking about his college career, which don’t matter anymore, he’s a Lion and he should be judged on what he has done as a Lion. Which is hard since 4 games is not a great indication of how good or bad he is, all we know is that he has potential.

Your fourth point, Value, I disagree with, While it’s true he’s wasn’t the consensus No.1 pick and it’s also true that some evaluators preferred Sanchez, he was considered a top 10 prospect, and in quite a few boards that I seen considered him the top prospect. I posted one link to back that up higher in the thread.

Personally, I don’t understand your tirade against him. It would’ve made sense a while back, maybe in the pre-season when there was a QB competition, but now it’s clear he’s our starting QB. Like KDawg said, give it a rest, focus your attention elsewhere.

Which OLineman Did you like?……Jason Smith?….Glad we didnt get him….Bust……Smith fro bama……Bust…….Stafford will be fine……Hes put up good numbers with no oline…..He has a cannon and does a great job of looking the safties off and not staring down recievers……He will be fine…..He will end up with better numbers then Sanchez or Bradford and Mccoy out together……Go Lions!!!!!

Again, 0 multi-TD games. An unacceptable TD to Int ratio. Too many errant throws.
Yes, he has a gun. So does David Carr.

If your expectations are that he simply needs to be better than the guy below him ( and that is debatable) than you will be disappointed for decades, as the Lions fans can relate.

the QB’s available in the upcoming draft … it is the best choice the Lions could have made .. we obviously need Stafford.. without him and his potential in the lineup… dulls every game that he does not start …especially w/o CJ to connect with… I did not want a QB as the first pick of the draft but now I see why they went Stafford… He will be fine as soon as he get’s over this knee injury…

this form of argument sounds mighty familiar…might similar to those by someone else in preseason…

your first post came after two games questioning his ability to play at the pro’s. staff shined in week three & four…showing huge progress and command of an nfl offense. but you didn’t come back to defend yourself or comment then…

now you come on here saying we should have drafted to protect the investment after he is hurt.

i imagine after he throws multiple td’s vs st louis we won’t hear from you until next draft when we draft a OT…then you will complain about that & how we should have drafted dline …

for someone who is claiming for others to provide all of this supporting links & facts…you really have not shared more than your opinion, which you are entitled to…but if you request this of others, be man enough to defend yours in the same. there is nothing, other than your opinion, that you have offered that shows staff is below average.

What the hell is this? What shine? He had a half way decent game against the ultracrappy ’Skins.

then solid. The bar seems to be slipping. Even Schwartz said the game against the ‘Skins he should have had players in ball caps on the sidelines instead of fighting it out to the end.
I don’t put a lot of stock into the Bears game either, as after the 1st half it was a joke.

he was beaten as a child or did not get hugged… something…. he is just wanting attention..

This rant is like saying on Monday morning i told you the raiders were gonna win against the eagles…utterly pointless… but after watching a whole season of Stafford….wait its been four games! Which brings me back to my preceding utterance that this is all pointless.

… and I can sort of respect that. I don’t agree with pretty much anything, but it warrants a retort nonetheless.

Two things…. first, you are oversimplifying all of your points to match your theme, which is that Stafford sucks. There might be some semi-truths or even competent perceptions in your points, but you chose the black and white route of bending everything to fit your view. For example… decision making. That’s a very complex issue. Yet you’ve simplified it for your purposes by making it a ridiculously simple statement like…“TO to TD ratio is below average. This stems from poor decision making.” That hardly constitutes a statistical fact pointing solely to decision making. You can say this for every argument you made. Second, I recommend a movie for you… “Lost In Translation”, because that is what you are missing here.

Let me explain. The single most complex factor in scouting a quarterback is how well he will translate to the NFL. If it weren’t, there would never be a bust and there would never be late round gems. My point here for you is that not all great college quarterbacks become great NFL players and not all great NFL quarterbacks were spectacular in college. But they had one underlying theme… intangibles. Things like leadership, heart, determination, intelligence, playbook comprehension, etc. These things are very hard to judge and that’s why you get Tom Brady falling to the sixth round. Some QBs are easier to judge when it comes to intangibles because of their character and personality. Peyton Manning, John Elway and Troy Aikman to name a few. That’s why they went number one. That doesn’t mean they will succeed, but in hindsight, you can see what these guys have. My overall point with this is you have NO FREAKIN’ IDEA if Stafford is a Manning or a Leaf. None. You think you know, but you don’t. You cannot simply take his college stats and say you know that he will not be a good NFL quarterback. That’s why everything you say is bogus and second rate.

For the record, Stafford is way ahead of Eugene Monroe right now. Jacksonville can’t figure out what to do with him. He’s been in and out of the lineup and has even been at both sides of the line. That would have been a great pick by Mayhew with the first overall. Instead of raising eyebrows with Stafford, we would have gotten the same ‘ol “loser” chuckles from around the league, talking about how the Lions blew it again. Instead, we have Phil Simms saying he would take Stafford over any other young QB to start his franchise. Don’t you think it’s odd that you are the only one that doesn’t see his arm strength and some of the amazing throws he’s had this year? Not that everything has been roses for him, but he’s a rookie for crying out loud. But I for one, have seen flashes of what he can become and believe he gives us the best chance to win right now. I do not believe I am in the minority here.

I’ve given you enough of my valuable time, so I’ll end it here… although I could go on for days. As for your combative blog style… I have my theories. I think that you are really just an emotionally scarred twelve year old that has been bullied so bad at school that you’ve taken to cyber-bullying as an out. Right now you are sitting in your mama’s basement, finishing off your third Red Bull and feeling pretty damn powerful after this post. Instead, pop that pimple on your forehead and quit while you’re ahead… you’re outmatched here…

Have a great night!

because the Jags have Thomas and also drafted Britton. Monroe makes the field regularly and would likely start for the Lions.
Ad for having no freakin’ idea, back at ya.

Serious question: What did you think of someone like Peyton Manning 4 games into his career? No matter who you look at, 4 games in the NFL is far too small of a sample to judge someone on. I mean, if he was throwing 10 picks a game and just being an idiot with the ball in general, then you might have a point. But seriously? He’s played 4 games, 1 of which he won and led the Lions down the field on 3 95+ yard drives, and you’re honestly going to say he’s a below-average QB? That is just asinine. It’s clear that you’ve got agenda against him, as no one with even a little football knowledge can be this short-sighted. I would say I look forward to the day Stafford returns and has one decent game so we all can say we told you so, but basing his entire career off of one performance would be as idiotic as basing it off of his 4 games in the league.

Have I used an expletive?
Can’t say I have received the same treatment!

Uh-huh!

I didn’t?

YOU!

I paid for it myself, thank you very much. Anybody who knows anything realizes its value.

but I wouldn’t expect you to know that…

I give you that!

you need to start posting why.

I’m going to go watch the new Transformer’s movie…. just as mindless as this post but with more of point to it. More realistic too. G’Nite!

is your ode to Lost in Translation, hardly a retort there
2, is the "nobody knows argument, which is again, no argument at all.
3, shows your failure to understand the situatation in JAX and Simms kiss up job. Hardly a basis for factual support.
4 is your saying your through, even though you are not.
Nothing!

not a retort at all

but there needs to be real competition and more of it at every position. And fans should not be willing to settle for “wait til the players develop” chant. I was actually glad to see fans stayed away form the ‘Skins game.
Having Ol’ Man Ford walk away would be the best start.

………4 Games Played = Not enough time to fully evaulate what you say in your post

You are the coach, what do you do to win the next 10 games. It kind of sounds like you want draft picks from the top 3 or 4 rounds to be all pros from the getgo. Rookies need time to develope.

Quick big boy….

To the Ace Mobile!!

GO LIONS!!!

Stafford had AJ Green to throw to. Nearly 1,000 yards last year. On pace for nearly the same this year.
And you guys think my post is based entirely on opinion???
Please, do a LITTLEresearch!

Done any good macrame lately?

How’s your bocce ball game?

I once had Eddie Murray buy me a couple of drinks at Ginopolis during his playing days. He was there with Dexter Bussey and Corrado Micaleaf (hope that’s right), amongst others.
I consider it one of the highlights of my life.
Zeke and Tripucka used to go there during there playing days.

Jazzy. I remember good teams. Quality teams.
Not the stuff that teased us in the 90s.
I remember when the Lions had great defensive players like Schmidt, Karras, LeBeau, Walker, Barney…
Of course, back then (as Karras said) we had Milt Plum at QB.
But under Munson/Landry (good, but not great) you thought if they could simply manage the game, the Lions had a shot. (Like 1970 for example)
When was the last time the Lions had a really outstanding defender, let alone and outstanding defense.
Even know the emphasis seems to be on offense, while the defense continues to sputter.

Whatever….attention whore.

and KDawg says average. Massaquoi is a leading rookie receiver taken in the 2nd round…again, average.
How exactly does a former QB make the leading receiver in the SEC “look better”?