MOMENT OF TRUTH

what about your moment of truth…are you a lions fan? plain & simple…

by your comment “Year after year, you accept failure, cry wait til next year, and then accept the failure of the following year” it sure seems as though you are quick to outcast all of us who have stood by our team…no true fan would single out fellow fans like this. despite the rough years…a true fan stands by through thick and thin.

versus acceptance. Would a true Lions fan accept the destruction of his franchise by the powers that be? Would they accept inferior performance?
Lions fans are staying away from games in record numbers.
This is good. The only way this franchise can be resurrected is through new ownership. New direction. A new regime.
Loyalty should be to the team, not the owner. Does anyone in DC doubt this?

On draft day, did you boo the pick of Stafford or did you not? If so, why do you support him now? I

did not boo him but I was not happy.. I support him now because for the 4 games he has played he look better and better each play yea he makes rooky mistakes but nothing to big.. When he does fuck up he don’t let it get to him unlike joey

On draft day, did you boo the pick of Pettigrew or did you not? If so, why have you changed your tune?

I liked the grew pick

If you are old enough, why do you have any trust in Ol’ Man Ford? This is the 6th decade of failure for this team. No NFL Championships. No Super Bowl Champs. No Super Bowl appearances. One playoff victory.

ford might not be the best owner but he is way better then a lot of other owners in the NFL he is vary "hands off" would you rather have a Al Davies??

Why do you think it will be any different next year or in the years to come?

Because the staff has said many time they will not settle for bull shit and they have proven that by cutting 60% of last years players and benching starters that the cap hit would be to big to cut

Why do you accept inferior draft choices? Ware, Long, Rogers, Williams, Joey, McDougle…the list goes on and on.

Yea there has been a lot of bust some we gave up to early on some we gave to long… but that was millons fault and he is gone now… and imo we made Rogers bust the 2nd time he got injured we shut him out like a out cast and then he fell apart

are you a lions fan?? if so how long? if not what team and why are u here

do you still have your V-card??

Please go away until he sets it down.

1) On draft day, did you boo the pick of Stafford or did you not?
Answer: No, I did not “boo” the pick, but I definitely did not like it…..I wanted Curry, and if not Curry then I wanted a LT.

2) Why do you support him now?
Answer: I support him now because he is the future of the franchise, and while he played horribly during the first two game, he had also shown poise, leadership, and constant improvement from then on (up until the injury). I support him now because the Lions are MY TEAM, and HE is the LEADER of MY TEAM. Lastly, I support him because what is done is done and I am a true fan of MY TEAM.

3) On draft day, did you boo the pick of Pettigrew or did you not?
Answer: Again, I did not “boo” the pick, but I did question it. I thought that since we drafted a QB #1, we needed a LT at pick 20. I thought that if it was not a LT, then it should definitely be a CB because our secondary is in shambles.

4) Why have you changed your tune?
Answer: I wouldn’t say that I have personally changed my tune on this one. I am not happy with the number of drops Pettigrew has had, but he has shown to be an excellent blocker, the ability to get open in space, and the ability to stretch the field. If he works on catching the ball, I think he will be a very solid TE for years to come. I am not the coach, the GM, or the owner of the team. I was not there when they made their draft board or their plan. I am not going to sit here and continue to question why they did what they did, even if I do not fully agree with the direction they chose. Apparently, they did what they did for a reason…..and I seriously doubt it was a conspiracy against the franchise, the players, or the fans. I still believe that we could have gotten a good CB (Vontae Davis) or a LT at pick 20 (Britton or Oher were still there if I am not mistaken)…..but again, what is done is done and I choose to move on, supporting the players that we DO have, because the Lions ARE MY TEAM.

5) If you are old enough, why do you have any trust in Ol’ Man Ford?
Answer: I am old enough to have lived through 3 of William Clay Ford’s decades of ownership. I do not have very much trust in him, but I am willing to see if he is going to finally put together a winner. He can’t live much longer, so I am not worried about it either. However, he has put some pieces in place this year that I am pretty impressed with. Jim Schwartz and his coaching staff for one, Martin Mayhew for another. I truly believe that these people are going to bring about great change in Detroit, and I feel that they have already changed the mentality and environment of the team in a positive way. I do not trust Ford, but I give credit where credit is due…..he did put men into positions within the organization who I feel can build a winning culture.

6) Why do you think it will be any different next year or in the years to come?
Answer: I feel that it will be different next year and in the years to come because of the above said reasons, in addition to the fact that it takes time to build through the draft. We have to give these guys a few years and the re-evaluate.

7) Why do you accept inferior draft choices?
Answer: It is not a matter of accepting the bad draft choices made over the years…..it is the simple fact that there isn’t a damn thing that we can do about it other than bitch and moan. I also believe that nobody knew that Ware, Long, Rogers, Williams, Joey, McDougle, or any other of the highly projected rookies we drafted who busted, would be busts. The draft is a crap shoot…..there is no way to know without taking a chance.

8) If you read what I said above, I already answered your last question.

Now…..you tell US. Are you a TRUE, DIE HARD, LIONS FAN?

……Next

Thought Barry Sanders was a bad pick too.

I would have liked Curry and a young O-lineman for the future but I’m a true fan who likes the way things panned out. its obviously not the way I would have ran things but Mayhew has done a good job. Some of those draft picks i don’t think were complete busts. I mean, who said Williams was a bust? He shined at times with lackluster talent around him. Kitna was running for his life. You have no idea how many times I watched a higlight with Kitna being put on his back. i didnt like the Rogers pick. Maybe its because he’s a Michigan native. Andre Johnson was obviously better in my eyes. He is bigger, stronger and faster!! I don’t agree with keeping Millien around so long to run the team after many disappointing seasons. I do like the fact that Ford stays out of football business. I see a right future. By the way, I’m a Floridian thats a Lions fan.

and even more for Grew. Since none of you will admit to being the ones who did that, then you are either not being honest or there is nothing to discuss with you on this issue.

why did you feel the need to address them?
The fact is, you accept the Lions failure. Because of fans like you, this franchise will continue to do little more than struggle for relevance!

We can’t both be Lions fans and have any effect on the way the Lions are run. We don’t have to be happy about the Lions and their multitude of failures, but if we’re fans, we watch and suffer together. That’s what makes us fans. Taking good and bad, even when it seems like the bad will never end. You are not a Lions fan. You are a troll. Troll go home.

…so I will answer. Given the history of this franchise under Ford, I think it is more than reasonable to be guarded or even somewhat skeptical/cynical when it comes to the moves made by this organization. The Lions have had an unprecedented string of poor decisions, poor managers and yes, poor ownership. That ownership indeed does still exist. However, each year needs to be looked at from a new perspective – especially when there is new management and coaching. I look at the moves Mayhew and Schwartz have made in comparison to past Lion’s staffs and I am both impressed and optimistic. So here are your answers….

KDawg… I stole your format… ;o)

1) On draft day, did you boo the pick of Stafford or did you not?
Answer: I most definitely did not boo the pick. To the contrary, I loved the choice and had been rooting for it for months prior.

2) Why do you support him now?
Answer: I support him now because I see all the intangibles that I saw in the pre-draft version. Not just the arm-strength, lightning quick release and other physical abilities, but the cerebral part of his game. I see the mental toughness, the command of the huddle, the total understanding of the playbook, learning from his mistakes, and the consistent forward progress of his game. In each of his four games he has shown progress. If you can honestly tell me that you haven’t seen progress, than you are either inherently biased or not very good at any type of football analysis. If it’s stats that you love… look at his QB rating in each game. You need to come off your college stat kick and watch the live games.

3) On draft day, did you boo the pick of Pettigrew or did you not?
Answer: I have never booed a pick. But I didn’t understand the selection of Pettigrew. The reason is that my mock drafts always were based on critical needs and I didn’t consider TE to be a critical need. Therefore, I had myself convinced they would go in another direction and didn’t really consider Pettigrew and an option.

4) Why have you changed your tune?
Answer: I agree with the pick in hindsight, because we took what many considered the best player available. The jury is still out on this one because Pettigrew hasn’t played that well. In the end, I believe he will be a great asset and an integral part of our offense. This is where Mayhew differs from other GMs the Lions have had. He has a plan and is sticking to his guns, regardless of what the fans think. I admire that and think that he did a fantastic job getting good value with nearly every pick this year. You can nitpick all you want, but NO TEAMS get all of their picks right… none. Compared to other teams, I thought we did very well and put together a nice foundation.

5) If you are old enough, why do you have any trust in Ol’ Man Ford?
Answer: I have little trust in Ford, but I have a lot in Mayhew and Schwartz and that is what counts. The misconception is that Ford does not care about the team and blocks the managers from doing their jobs. From everything I’ve seen and read, this is not the case. Ford’s downfall has been in hiring poor management and sticking with them far too long. I truly believe that they now have the right two people in place. What you are lacking rbanner, is any semblance of a big-picture view with this team. Sure, they are not going to be very good this year… they just had a 0-16 season. But if you cannot see progress this year…. not sure what to tell you.

6) Why do you think it will be any different next year or in the years to come?
Answer: No doubt in my mind they will be better in the coming years. Will we win a Super Bowl? Don’t know. Will we be competitive and push for a post-season berth? Absolutely. Stafford is the one pivotal piece that has been missing. We have been without a franchise quarterback for decades. He will be the main reason for our revival. Also, we finally have a head coach that will not settle for less than wins. He has already shown that he will bench, he will cut, he will do everything needed to get the roster right and get the correct group of players on the field. In Schwartz we trust, indeed. The last big reason is talent. I believe that we finally have a GM that can evaluate talent and over the next 2-3 years, we will begin to solidify what will be our best team in decades. I feel very confident in saying this.

7) Why do you accept inferior draft choices?
Answer: Absolutely nothing we can do about the past picks. We accept who the management chooses because we have no choice. See… I have no options with respect to who I root for. I bleed Honolulu blue and silver and hate every other team. I root for every player donning that uniform, regardless of where they were picked, who picked them and what school they came from. Until that player proves he is not capable, I will cheer with all my might, because this is MY TEAM. I have no other choice. If I were to stop cheering for the Lions, I would quit watching football altogether. This is what you don’t understand, rbanner. You have no loyalty. You are not a true fan. True fans root for their team regardless of circumstance. You can be critical, but you always hope for the best outcome.

8) Year after year, you accept failure, cry wait til next year, and then accept the failure of the following year
Answer: Why do I do this… because I am a Lion’s fan and I always will be. It’s not that I accept failure. To the contrary, I demand a good product. But if you think that they way that I am going to demand a better product is through abandonment… you got another think coming. I think you should try finding a little loyalty. That’s what this site is about. You obviously don’t understand that. If you did, you’d know why everyone is hating on you. If your kid turns out to be a garbage man versus a doctor, do you cast him aside and run him down every chance you get? Maybe you do, but I don’t. It’s because I love my kids regardless of mistakes, failures and flaws. That’s how loyalty works… enjoying the good times and sticking with them through the bad times. Capisce?

levy is out preforming all the LB people where geting the joils up about includeing curry
and he is a dam backup

Curry http://www.nfl.com/players/aaroncurry/gamelogs?id=CUR423980
Levy http://www.nfl.com/players/deandrelevy/gamelogs?id=LEV659364
Maualuga http://www.nfl.com/players/reymaualuga/gamelogs?id=MAU059326

Stafford is out preforming Sanchez

Stafford http://www.nfl.com/players/matthewstafford/gamelogs?id=STA134157
Sanchez http://www.nfl.com/players/marksanchez/gamelogs?id=SAN091667

its kind of hard to tell how O-line men are doing with out watching the game but he had a lot of problum after the draft and not only is he hurt now and over waight he all so is playing RT witch mhen he is to raw or unskilled to play LT so he would not have help eather

smith http://www.nfl.com/players/jasonsmith/profile?id=SMI390022
smith

Pettigrew has not been grate but desnt good job blocking good job geting open once he ceatchs the ball he is insane… he just cant ceatch it al good tho C sanders had the same problum i think he turnd out ok

grew http://www.nfl.com/players/brandonpettigrew/gamelogs?id=PET710823

Delmas has loked good and bad at times but for being named rooky of the mounth i would say he has done well so far

Delmas http://www.nfl.com/players/louisdelmas/gamelogs?id=DEL523629

http://www.nfl.com/players/charliesanders/profile?id=SAN212052

have any of you seen a Lions game at the Big House?

EOM

The question is why. On draft day, did you boo the pick of Stafford or did you not? If so, why do you support him now?

Do you abandon your team when they pick somebody in the draft when you wanted somebody else picked at that spot? How would that make sense? I understand why you’re confused and asking so many questions. You have no idea what it means to be a real fan. Should I also stop rooting for my team if they run a sweep and I wanted to see a screen pass? That makes about as much sense as not supporting them the day after one particular draft pick.

On draft day, did you boo the pick of Pettigrew or did you not? If so, why have you changed your tune?

I wanted a MLB (Maualuga, or maybe Laurenaitis) at that spot, because we really needed a MLB. But that was before we acquired Larry Foote, who is a good MLB. At this point, I’m fine with the Pettigrew pick, the kid has a lot of potential. What does it mean to “change your tune”? Do you mean that a fan should not voice an opinion at any point in time about their team, because if the coach makes a different move in that particular instance, the fan is either waffling (or “changing their tune”) or should stop following the team?

Again, I understand why you’re confused and asking so many questions. You have no idea what it means to be a real fan.

If you are old enough, why do you have any trust in Ol’ Man Ford? This is the 6th decade of failure for this team. No NFL Championships. No Super Bowl Champs. No Super Bowl appearances. One playoff victory.

He’s a hands-off owner, which is nice. Either he hires people who don’t know what they’re doing (e.g. Millen), or he hires folks who know what they’re doing. Mayhew & Schwartz look pretty good so far, considering what they have to work with and our brutal 6-game opening schedule. I’m looking forward, not backward, and I’m just thankful Ford is not a meddlesome old owner who makes all sorts of bizarre and stupid decisions like Al Davis does. At least the GM of the Lions was fireable.

Why do you think it will be any different next year or in the years to come?

Because we have coaches who have had success in the past, and are on the same page as the GM. They’re definitely smarter than the last bunch. You can’t even compare Schwartz+Mayhew+Linehan+Cunningham to Marinelli+Millen+Barry+Coletto. You’ll see.

Why do you accept inferior draft choices? Ware, Long, Rogers, Williams, Joey, McDougle…the list goes on and on.

Look forward, not backwards man. We just drafted a sharp, young QB, the defensive rookie of the Month, another solid LB (Levy), a TE with a ton of potential, and some other early contributors (Hill, Brown). Some of them may bust, but overall our draft haul this year looks solid. We can’t judge for sure for a while, though.

Year after year, you accept failure, cry wait til next year, and then accept the failure of the following year.

The question is why?

Like I said, you have no idea what it means to be a fan. You’re sad.

I realize this post will involve personall attacks on me, any preceived agenda I may or may not have, and the fact that many of you do not want to see what has gone on for decades. So be it.

You’re lucky you’re trolling in a bye week when there’s not much else to talk about, or you wouldn’t receive so much attention. Good move, kid.

I could care less if your a lions fan or not, I would perfer you not being one. But from reading your posts I do understand you know nothing about football and that’s the sad sad part. It’s like you watched a sportscenter special about our 0-16 season and now think you know the team. n4ry4 said it best that you picked our bye week or you would’t get any attention at all. So goodbye this is the last post I’ll ever give you, Now be a good little boy and go back to your parents basement and read your comic books…

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I think that answers it for us.

you are entitled to it!

trolls are funny too.

I believe that rbanner has surpassed the crap we went through with Ralph. And you know what the worse thing is, this has all happened during the bye week, there ain’t even a game to stop the pain.

i dont know if any of you use Pro sports daily but there is the so called lions fan .. well he calls him self a “Michigan sports fan” and he has the same pesamistic out look as this guy does… he was all eays cosing probs there and i think he my have been baned

his SN there is scottey

eather that or he is a packer or rams fan.. i dont think he a skinns fan most them havent been that bad

check this out you pestamistic fuck

http://www.prideofdetroit.com/2009/10/23/1098219/matthew-stafford-the-great-detroit

props to Twon82 for finding it

on his big day!
And you guys call yourselves Lions fans???
SHAME!!!

Wow, Bennie Blades was inducted into the University of Miami Ring of Honor…..man that should be headline news. http://www.soulofmiami.org/2009/10/21/bennie-blades-being-inducted-into-the-ring-of-honor-party-102209/

In reality, that is great for him and his college football roots…..but it is nothing so great as to warrant a big celebration here just because he played for the Lions. Now if he were being honored as a Lion or an NFL player, that would be something to talk about.

but I would think a true Lions fan would congratulate him and be happy for him.

did not.

you already know the answer to? If you need an answer, you seem perfectly capable of making one up, Rightly or wrongly!

What do you have to hide?

i need to know how to make the picture appear in the post. HEEEEEELP!

Thanks.

rbanner is just a troll. Trolls are like stray cats, they will stay around until you stop feeding them. He will keep making more and more outrageous claims to provoke responses from everyone because that is all he is here for. He has no desire to actually debate anything or learn anything. He is just trying to see how many comments he can generate. At best, this guy is old enough to have been at the paper lions game (I say around 50 or 60) and revels in his Hulk #1. So we are arguing with Comic Book guy from the Simpsons. There is no winner in an argument with a guy who lives in his mom’s basement. You are worse off for just having the discussion with him in the first place. The best path forward is for everyone to ignore his posts until he starves to death.

Don’t Feed The Troll.

it took me a while to figure out if you wanted to start a real discussion or if you were trolling for amusement. You never said yes or no to my question, but since my feeble pot-damaged brain FINALLY figured out you intentions, I’m gonna answer your questions now. I’m sure you’re not going to like my answers and thats fine and I expect nothing less than a full-on assault on my apparent lack of intelligence from you. So be it.
The question is why. On draft day, did you boo the pick of Stafford or did you not? If so, why do you support him now? On draft day, I booed on the inside because I was with my now ex-gf 6-yr old son and didn’t want to boo out loud. He’s young in his Lions fandom and that would’ve confused him. I know, I know, making kids Lions fans nowadays is considered 3rd-degree child-abuse in some states. The contract the unproven Staff signed made me sick. I was “keeping hope alive” the day before with Valente and Foster for Curry after news broke he had an agreement, but that was just a ploy that kinda back-fired.
I started supporting Stafford the day after he was drafted because we’re stuck with him for the next 6 years. I started liking Staff as the QB with his first throw in preseason game 1. When he was named regular season starter, I thought it was the wrong choice intitially, but he showed improvement with each game that followed and I think that will continue. I think he is the best QB on the roster now and has the potential to be an excellent QB, he just needs time to develop.

On draft day, did you boo the pick of Pettigrew or did you not? If so, why have you changed your tune? I didn’t boo this pick, I was suprised. I was expecting Oher or a defensive player. My thought for about a minute was “WTF?”, but I think the pick makes perfect sense and was very smart. I know, I know, smart and Lions drafting don’t go together lately. He was highly touted as the best complete TE prospect in years by several draft gurus. The saying “the TE is the QBs best friend” applies and to develop both at the same time is, I think, brilliant. He definitly has not lit it up yet, but like Stafford, I see a ton of potential and he will need some time to develop, too.

If you are old enough, why do you have any trust in Ol’ Man Ford? This is the 6th decade of failure for this team. No NFL Championships. No Super Bowl Champs. No Super Bowl appearances. One playoff victory. I’m 35 and he has shown me zilch

Why do you think it will be any different next year or in the years to come? I think Jr is taking a more active role and doesn’t go with the status-quo his father has established. I wasn’t happy about keeping Mayhew at first, but Mayhew seems to have a clue and a real work ethic. I’ve read he did more scouting and work when he was the interim GM than Millen did his entire 8 yrs. I’m still wait-n-see with Mayhew, but he does seem to have a team vision, an eye for talent and he doesn’t seem to accept bullshit. So far, so good. I have some respect for Mayhew also because he could’ve easily had us eating out of his hand if he had publicly trashed Millen, but he refused to do so just to placate the masses. That takes some balls. He has conviction.
I like Schwartz. He had consistanly run a damn good defense when he was with Tennessee. I was hoping for Rex Ryan, but I feel Schwartz was a good hire. Time will tell. Besides, his last name is “Schwartz”, the “Spaceballs” references are endless! lol

Why do you accept inferior draft choices? Ware, Long, Rogers, Williams, Joey, McDougle…the list goes on and on. Hindsight is always 20/20 I am not in the drafting warroom and have no say whatsoever in the choices they make. I was pissed about drafting Joey, M. Williams and Ware. I liked drafting Long, Rogers, R. Williams and McDougle. Unfortunatly, none of them worked out.

Year after year, you accept failure, cry wait til next year, and then accept the failure of the following year.

The question is why?
Because I’m a LIONS fan, not a WCF Sr. fan. I think this team and current regime is heading in the right direction, it’s just going to take time, talent and patience to fix what Millen and WCF destroyed. GO LIONS!!!!

but I have to try following my pic posting tutorial. I promise to keep it to a minimum. Here goes.

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Mom help you with that?