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Post Bye Week - Offensive Player Based Analysis

By popular demand, I am going to go ahead and re-rate each of the players for the Lions, now that they have passed their bye week and are heading into the second half of the season.  First of all, I want to be clear that I am going to use my old analysis as a mold, altering it with updated stats and opinions.  This is because I have much of the same feelings now as I did then, and I do not want to take as much time to do it as I did after week 3.  Because of these facts, I am going to split the analysis into 2 parts (Offense and Defense - one today and one tomorrow) and provide the link to my prior analysis for comparison.  Here is the link:

http://www.prideofdetroit.com/2009/10/1/1064932/guys-i-am-super-bored (you may have to copy and paste).

Please keep in mind that I will base my analysis on actual stats, and I will add my own personal opinion to it. I hope that this post will be enlightening and interesting to all of you, and I look forward to your comments and additions.  I will give each player a rating based on a scale of 1-10, with 1 being useless, 2 being poor, 3 being slightly useful, 4 being below average, 5 being average, 6 being above average, 7 being solid, 8 being very solid, 9 being amazing, and 10 being the picture of perfection.  The analysis will begin after the jump.

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Offense:

QB - Matthew Stafford

Again, I must tread lightly here as I am over the entire QB debate here.  Stafford is a rookie in this league, and he has only played in 4 games this season.  We have seen flashes of greatness out of the young gunslinger, and we have also seen him make some boneheaded decisions that make it obvious that he is a rookie.  Stafford has attempted 139 passes over 4 games, completing 79, for 894 yards.  His completion percentage is 56.8% (which is an improvement from the last analysis) and he has thrown 3 TD passes versus 6 interceptions thus far.  He has been sacked 10 times now (twice as many as before) and his QB rating has improved from 57 to 65.5, albeit still pretty weak.  I believe he still has work to do to improve his accuracy and, subsequently, his completion %.  He has a 2 to 1 interception to touchdown ratio currently, which is bad but understandable (if not expected).  He is showing improvement in his reads (pre-snap and after the snap), and is making better decisions on when to throw the ball away or take the sack. He has rushed for 50 yards and a rushing TD on 7 rushing attempts.  He had shown steady improvement up until the knee injury, and I feel he has done a pretty good job so far as a rookie QB in Detroit.  Rating on a scale of 1-10, I still give him a solid 6 (above average) as he is still developing and has work to do before he will be solid.

RB - Kevin Smith

Kevin Smith seems to have regressed a bit since week 3.  He has had double the rushing attempts (109, up from 55, which shows that the play calling has remained pretty consistent) since week 3, but has only gained 144 more yards (for a total of 348, up from 204).  He has 3 TDs (he has only scored twice while rushing since week 3).  His YPC has dropped from 3.7 yards per carry to 3.2.  I still think he is the real deal, but he is going backwards from my previous target of 4 YPC.  Maybe it is the defenses we have faced, or maybe it was his shoulder, but we need him now more than ever and he must step up.  He also has 20 catches for 149 yards (up from 12 catches for 80 yards), so he is still able to get it done on multiple levels.  He can still have a very good season if he continues on his current pace.  Rating on a scale of 1-10, I still say he is a 7.

RBs - Aaron Brown and Maurice Morris

Neither one of these two backs has done a whole lot since my last analysis.  In fact, Aaron Brown has only had 3 rushing attempts since week 3 and he has only gained 16 yards rushing since then.  He has had 1 catch for 14 yards since week 3.  His main role since week 3 has been as a kick returner, where he has been less than consistent even though he did manage to gain 141 return yards on 7 kick return attempts since week 3.  His kick return total is up to 455 yards on 20 attempts for a 22.8 yard average (down 1.4 yards on average, from 24.2, since week 3).  His dropped attempts and lack of consistency in the return game has brought on an increased role for rookie Derrick Williams in the kick return game.  It is a similar story for Mo Morris, who has only had 2 rushing attempts since week 3, for a gain of 18 yards (bringing his total to 43 yards on 12 attempts).  Morris has not scored since my last analysis, and he has only caught 2 passes for a gain of 17 yards (bringing his total to 4 catches for 29 yards).  Ratings on a scale of 1-10, my opinion here has changed.  As of right now I give both Brown and Morris a 5 at best, they need to pick up their games.

FB - Jerome Felton

Felton has continued to impress me as a blocker and a short yardage back.  He has increased his YPC from 1.5 to 3.3 since my last analysis, further proving that we can count on him when we need a yard.  He also continued to show that he is a legitimate receiving threat, as he has increased his totals from 1 catch for 21 yards to 8 catches for 85 yards this season.  While his role has still mainly been as a blocker, he has also increased his rushing totals from 9 yards on 6 attempts to 33 yards on 10 attempts.  Again, as I said before, as the season progresses I hope that the Lions utilize him more in the offense.  He has done a great job so far in his role.  Rating on a scale of 1-10 (for his role), I still give him a solid 8 for being a surprisingly solid fullback.

WR - Calvin Johnson

We have all seen what happens when CJ is injured now.....our offense struggles.  Even with the injury, CJ has increased his totals from the last analysis, from 13 catches for 190 yards and a TD, to 22 catches for 325 yards.  He has not scored since my last analysis however, but he did add to his rushing total as well (4 for 37 yards up from 3 for 25).  He is averaging 14.8 YPR (up from 14.6), and I think we still know that he is the best player we have.  Even though he has not had spectacular production numbers since my last analysis, we all know that he is still one of the best WRs in the game today.  Rating on a scale of 1-10, I give him a solid 9 (10 being perfection).

WR - Bryant Johnson

Bryant Johnson had been a pleasant surprise in his emergence this season, until weeks 4, 5, and 6.  He had 8 catches for 118 yards and a TD, with a 14.8 yard per catch average as a compliment to Calvin Johnson after week 3.  Since then, he has hauled in another 8 catches but he has only gained 80 yards (bringing his totals to 16 catches for 198 yards).  He has not scored since my last analysis.  Without Calvin Johnson on the field, Bryant Johnson has shown that he does not have what it takes to step up and be a #1 WR.  He has shown that he can take pressure off of CJ and our other receivers, which makes him a valuable #2 WR, but he has struggled without the threat that Calvin Johnson presents to opposing defenses.  Rating on a scale of 1-10, I give him a high 6 now, borderline 7........down from the 7 I had previously given him.  He is a 7 when CJ is playing, and only above average without him.

WR - Dennis Northcutt

Northcutt did not impress me through the first three weeks, but since then he has come on pretty strong.  As a punt returner, he has been pretty average, but as a receiver he has played very well since my last analysis.  He has 17 catches for 151 yards and a TD (averaging 9.5 YPR), which is up from 5 catches for 38 yards and a 7.6 YPR average.  I was saying before that Northcutt needed to step up his game, and I feel he has delivered nicely for a #3 WR without a big play receiver on the field to garner attention.  Rating on a scale of 1-10, I am going to increase Northcutt's rating from a shaky 5 to a solid 5.....I still do not think he is above average, but he is playing much better now.

TE - Brandon Pettigrew

Pettigrew has still shown excellent blocking skills and the ability to get open in space, but he really needs to catch the ball, especially when it is hitting him in the hands!  Once again, there is obvious room for improvement and he is a rookie.  I still feel that he is doing a pretty good job for being a first year player at TE, but the drops are inexcusable in my opinion.  He has 12 catches for 152 yards and a 12.7 YPR (up from 6 catches for 67 yards, with an 11.2 yard per catch average).  Not entirely bad by any means, but again I would like to see him get open more in the red zone, or at least have his large frame utilized in such a role, and I would like to see him work on catching the ball.  Rating on a scale of 1-10, I still give him a solid 6, as he is still above average for a rookie TE in my opinion.

TE - Will Heller

Heller has not only been a decent blocker, but he has also emerged as an excellent option at receiving TE in my opinion.  He has 9 catches for 131 yards and a TD, with a YPR of 14.6 (up from 4 catches for 40 yards, with a 10 yard per catch average).  As a TE2 (if you can call him that), I think he has come along quite a bit since my last analysis and shown that he is a viable option for whoever our QB is.  Rating on a scale of 1-10, I am increasing Heller's rating to a 6, up from a solid 5.

TE - Casey Fitzsimmons

2 catches for 10 yards since my last analysis?  I have three words for you.....Bring up Gronkowski!  Rating on a scale of 1-10, Fitzsimmons is a definite 3 now as he is only slightly useful as a ST player (I almost deleted him from this analysis completely).

K - Jason Hanson

Ok guys.....here is where I give my highest rating (not much change from my last analysis).  This man is near 40 years old, and he is still banging FGs right down the middle of the uprights, like clockwork, from 50+.  Hanson is 9 for 10 so far this season on FG attempts (missing only on a 49 yard attempt I believe), and perfect on XPs.  Even after a minor knee surgery, he is still kicking balls close to (if not into) the goal line on kickoffs.  Rating on a scale of 1-10, I give Jason Hanson a 10 (even though he missed once, I still give our all time leading scorer a rating of 10 at 40 years old).

P - Nick Harris

There is not much to say about Nick Harris, other than the fact that he has been there when we needed him for a long time now.  He has punted the ball 28 times so far this season, pinning 9 of them inside the 20.  He is averaging 41.1 yards per punt and has a long of 55 this season.  He is not the picture of perfection, but he is getting the job done.  Rating on a scale of 1-10, I give him a solid 8.

 

I will continue with my defensive ratings tomorrow.  Talk amongst yourselves....I gave you the topic......:o)

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No Culpepper?

I think a few of the players regressed a touch in the past few weeks, and that can mainly be chalked up to the absence of Staff and CJ. There is still a few things to be happy about though. K-Smooth, while not tearing up the field, is trying his guts out and playing at least decently. And when CJ’s on the field, our receiver’s do become much stronger, as it allows BJ to take advantage of the skewed coverage, plus Grew’s getting involved a bit more (needs to hang on to catches more though). I can see our offence getting back to a bit of form when they get healthy, which I hope is soon.

2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).

by Hyperion Ecta on Oct 27, 2009 7:03 PM EDT reply actions  

I didn't include Culpepper.....

Because I saw that Stafford has returned to practice. Plus, I didn’t include him in the first analysis. However, I can give him a quick rating here…..

Daunte Culpepper, as a backup QB in relief of the injured Matt Stafford, came into the week 4 game versus Chicago. In garbage time, he went 6 for 11 for 54 yards and basically the Lion’s offense did nothing. Culpepper got the nod in weeks 5 and 6 as well, as Stafford was unable to play,. In total, Daunte completed 35 passes on 62 attempts (56.5%) for 382 yards with 1 TD and 2 INTs (the Lions lost both games he started). He added 3 rushes for 44 yards before he was injured late in the week 6 game versus the Packers. He was sacked 9 times in those games (including the end of game 4, all of game 5, and most of game 6) while Stafford was sacked 10 times total in weeks 1-4. This can be attributed to many things, including the amount of time Culpepper holds the ball, the blitzing nature of the Steelers and Packers, and the lack of blitz pickup by the offensive line. He ended up with a QB rating of 66.9 (slightly better than Stafford’s) but it was pretty obvious to most of us that the offense struggled without Stafford and Calvin Johnson. Daunte had his moments where he looked decent, but he also had moments where he looked plain terrible (which seems to be the times that most people point out and remember the most). Rating on a scale of 1-10, I give Culpepper an honest 4 (below average). An 11 year veteran, especially one who supposedly knows this offense as well as Daunte Culpepper, should have been able to step right in and get the job done without our offense missing a beat. Unfortunately for him, it looks like Daunte Culpepper is all done.

by KDawg on Oct 27, 2009 9:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

By the way HE

I agree that it is definitely a contributing factor, to the production of the rest of the players, that Stafford and Johnson were out of the lineup. However, one would think that Kevin Smith would have stepped up a bit more during these times. He is supposed to be our second greatest weapon. Of course, it can not all be blamed on him for his lack of production….as it seemed like we could not establish a running game or a passing game without Stafford and Johnson. I would have thought that the offense (and the play calling) would have focused a bit more on getting Smith the ball (both rushing and receiving), but that did not seem to be the case. The play calling seemed to stay exactly the same as it was before Stafford and Culpepper were injured, so I think some blame can be given to the coaching staff for not planning properly for the personnel that they had available to utilize. I agree that our offense should get back on track when Stafford and Johnson are able to return. Johnson alone makes a huge difference not only for the other receivers, but for Kevin Smith and whoever the QB is as well. I think most of us agree that Stafford is the man now, so his return should help as well. However, I think that until Johnson returns to play we will continue to struggle a bit more than we would if he were healthy, even with Stafford at QB.

by KDawg on Oct 27, 2009 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good Job Dawg....

I am in agreement with your breakdown. Not much I could add that you did not cover.

Thanks for you work in this post

by JCruize on Oct 28, 2009 2:02 AM EDT reply actions  

O-line breakdown?

Thanks for the great breakdown, could you provides us also with your thoughts about the o-line? (less stats, but anyway) I live now in Europe, so there is hardly a chance for me to watch the lions play, thats why I m so thankful for the “Pride of Detroit” site

by lillchillonhill on Oct 28, 2009 8:16 AM EDT reply actions  

if u don't mind KDawg

I could put up a analysis on the o-line

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by Latif Masud on Oct 28, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

So if everyone is above average or average

the team must have an above average offense? No? How is that possible?
CJ and Staff actually deseve an incomplete, having missed so much time.
Kickers should be a special teams inclusion, so I will ignore that section.
According to the stats I see, Northcutt actually has 161 yds. If that is average, the league needs a new definition.
BJ has 37 more yds. on 1 less reception. His best game was when CJ went out with only 1 catch for 2 yds. He has found the endzone only once. At best, he has average stats.
Smith is actually not that far behind last year’s pace 61 yds. vs. 58. However, with the Lion getting only 71 yds. passing last game and the team being so far behind in 3 of the losses, this is probably to be expected.
Grew did not find the end zone last year and has yet to do so this year. A tarrget his size should be a much more effective receiver than he his. By his own admission his play has been subpar.
Felton has actually been a pleaseant surprise with 3 catches for 15+ yds.
All could be aided by better line play.
BTW JC, if you are going to correct me, the book came out in ’66, not ’74. The would stand to reason as the movie came out in ’68.
Anyone ever see Lem Barney punt?

by rbanner on Oct 28, 2009 8:33 AM EDT reply actions  

Ummmmmm
Grew did not find the end zone last year and has yet to do so this year. A tarrget his size should be a much more effective receiver than he his. By his own admission his play has been subpar.

Last time I checked Grew was just drafted so he’d have had a hard time scoring a TD last year don’t u think?

by Lionsrmycrack on Oct 28, 2009 11:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

He didn’t score a TD in his senior year of college which was last year. OK St. went to a more running game and he excelled as a blocker. His receiving stats weren’t too shabby, but he did fail to score a TD.

by JazzyBBP on Oct 28, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ahhhh.

This posting was about NFL stats so I was sticking with those. Besides, it was rbanner posting again.

by Lionsrmycrack on Oct 28, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Its more of the choice of the offensive co-ordinator and the head coach of how to use their tight end. as JazzyBBP said, Ok St went with a running attack in the red zone, so they decided to use him as a blocker.

Im not too sure, but it doesnt seem like ’Grew has gotten many chances in the red zone this year either…that might be a reason why he has yet to score.

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by Latif Masud on Oct 28, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Are we discussing George Plimpton books again?

Paper Lion was published in 1966. Plimton played for the Lions in a preseason game in 1963.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paper_Lion
Mad Ducks and Bears was published in Jan. 1973. This book was after his game playing for the BALTIMORE COLTS (NOT the Lions) in the 1972 preseason, NOT Sept. 22, 1971.
http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Mad-Ducks-and-Bears/George-Plimpton/e/9780394488479

What? He can’t block a dead gopher? Humph, details.

by GRLion on Oct 28, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

In 1971, the Lions opened with a Monday night game vs. the Vikings....Sept. 20, 1971

Sept. 22, 1971 was Wednesday of that week, after week 1 of the regular season.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/det/1971.htm

What? He can’t block a dead gopher? Humph, details.

by GRLion on Oct 28, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

In retrospect

it made no sense that the game would be a September game, I simply got mislead by the newspaper source. It was pre-season.
But if JC wants to correct me, he should get his corrections right.

by rbanner on Oct 28, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Really?

Ok. St. has nearly as many yds. receiving as running. While they did have far more TDS rushing, they still had 25 receiving. 19 were by one player who had nearly as many yds. as the leading rusher.

by rbanner on Oct 28, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice Breakdown

I agree with much of your analysis. I still think K. Smith is the real deal too…if we can give him a quality O-line he’ll put up some great numbers.

rbanner…I don’t want to speak for KDawg, but I believe his ratings are not compared to the average player in the league, but to what each player forecasted to do. So in the case of Stafford, he’s being compared to an average rookie QB, not a league average QB. Also, with no analysis of the O-line, which we all know is sub par, that’s how our skill position guys can get solid ratings even though our offense is just in the lower 3rd of the league.

by Stones1981 on Oct 28, 2009 10:05 AM EDT reply actions  

i don’t rbanner can comprehend the fact that rookie qbs screw up

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by Latif Masud on Oct 28, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

"I don't rbanner can comprehend the fact that rookie qbs screw up"

Apparently, so do posters. I already stated I would give him an incomplete.

by rbanner on Oct 28, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

God; I was hoping you went away.

I don’t know why you started posting here, but I like this blog, and most of the people here. No one enjoys your constant negative condescending garbage.

Please do me a favor. Keep a yellow legal pad next to the computer, and next time you want to reply or post something. Write it on the yellow pad, and tack it to your wall. Cause NO ONE here gives a $hit!

by j16941 on Oct 28, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

nice analysis

I think the ratings for stafford and ’grew were a little high, but I see your perspective of the fact that they are rookies. I honestly thought that with CJ out, ’grew would be much more involved in the offense.

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by Latif Masud on Oct 28, 2009 11:41 AM EDT reply actions  

One would think.

Grew’s involvement, or lack thereof, is down to the play calling and QB. They could be calling plays where he’s blocking or being a decoy for the LB’s. Cpep doesn’t seem to be looking for him much either. Grew is a victim of the situation and also himself as he’s had some bad drops as well.

by Lionsrmycrack on Oct 28, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

kinda surprising

Will Heller has almost as many catches as ‘Grew, and he even has a touchdown.
I haven’t watched closely to see which tight end they use in the red-zone, but it does seem to me like Heller is usually the option

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by Latif Masud on Oct 28, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Heller goes unnoticed a lot.....

While the attention is on Grew, Smith, and the other receivers.

by KDawg on Oct 28, 2009 3:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

In all actuality.....

If you count Culpepper and the offensive line…..my ratings actually average out to a 5+ rating. That means our offense has been pretty average so far, and not above. If we look at just the yards per game as the sole stat to guage by, we are technically slightly below average (39 yards per game below average to be exact). Since offense is a TEAM effort as a UNIT, and since YPG IS NOT the only stat to consider, I would say that my ratings are actually pretty GD good on an INDIVIDUAL basis, thank you. rbanner, you can read into what I posted and run your yap all you want…..nobody here takes a word you say seriously, and your opinion is moot. If you would take a moment to stop being a condescending patronizer of everyone you see, you might actually find that people here would like you. Maybe you should take the approach of giving respect in order to gain it, unless you like being the ass of everyone’s jokes.

by KDawg on Oct 28, 2009 5:30 PM EDT reply actions  

I would rather be

“the ass of everyone’s jokes” than WCF’s buttboy. If you took your head out once in a while you would see the rose colored glasses you have on are manure singed.
The record is below average. That cannot be argued.
If I appear to be condescending, it is because guys like you tell me two of the top receivers in the SEC were made that way by Staff, rather than the other way around.
If you do not take what I post seriously, why do you feel the need to address it?
I will tell you why: The truth is hitting a bit too close to home.
This is a 3-13 team, best case scenario. You can live with that. You find it acceptable.
I don’t!
Thank you for letting me know I can “run my yap” all I want to. You have an eye for the obvious.
I have let others know when there opinions are respected. You willfully choose to ignore that.
Frankly, to “actually find that people here woulkd like you” requires I become something I am not. A liar!
You want me to tow the company line, be a good solider and ignore the decades of failure WCF has brought to this franchise. I cannot.
If you find fault with that, so be it. I find fault with the ownership of this team.
If you think that does not make me a fan, I think it makes you a coward!
The facts are the facts and any rah-rah posts cannot change them.

by rbanner on Oct 28, 2009 6:49 PM EDT reply actions  

My rose colored glasses?

You are the one who skews everything you read to suit your own purposes. You couldn’t make a solid, fact based argument if it came up and slapped you in the mouth. You state the obvious and act like it is the smartest thing anyone has ever written, and then bash everything that anyone else writes that differs from your own jaded opinion. You appear to be condescending because you are. Nobody here made you that way.

I reply to your idiocy because I refuse to be brow beaten by a slack jawed inbred. You think running your mouth and pissing everyone off is going to change anything? I have news for you sucker…..it won’t. Do we accept the fact that we will not be a playoff team this year, and that we have failed consistently for almost 20 years? Yes, we accept it. Do we like it? No we do not. Can we actually do something that would make a DAMN bit of difference? NO! We can not change anything, but those of us who are real fans STILL cheer for OUR team, regardless of the record!! There is NO truth in anything you say, so as far as it hitting too close to home I would agree…..if my home were in HELL and I was neighbor to the father of lies himself!

You don’t have to be a liar to have people here like you. All you have to do is show some respect and keep your negative opinions to yourself. Haven’t you noticed that your opinion is the minority here? Haven’t you noticed that you aren’t getting a feel good response from most of the people posting here? Gee, I wonder why? For being as old as you say you are, I would think that you would have already learned that some things are better left unsaid, and that you would already know when to speak and when to shut your mouth. It is obvious to me that nobody ever taught you that little bit of wisdom. But there’s no danger…..you’re hiding behind a computer screen……might as well say whatever you damn well please with no conscious thought…..right?

I was not “telling” you to run your mouth all you want. I was using sarcasm to make a point. I knew you would run your mouth, it was only a matter of time with your loose lips. You call me a coward because I am supposedly blind to the failure of the ownership of the Lions over the years? I am well aware of the failure of the organization AS A WHOLE, and it can not be blamed solely on any one man! No, I do not think you are a bandwagon, fair weather fan because you find fault in the owner of the Lions, I think it because you constantly talk shit about EVERYTHING that has to do with the Lions. You bash on the rookie QB, you bash on the WRs, you bash on the RBs, you bash on TEs, you bash on the OL, you bash on the defense, you bash on the coaches, AND you bash on the FANS!! You try, weakly, to back your arguments with what you consider the “facts”, but the funny thing is that nobody ever agrees with you. Why is that? Could it be because you cherry pick your so called “facts” to suit your purposes? I’m not even sure I can call you a fan at all…..what makes you any kind of fan rbanner? You like nothing about the Lions. Why are you here?

Your reply above solidifies the fact that you are a braying jackass. And since you don’t know when to shut your mouth, maybe it will help if I tell you……shut the F up! Oh wait….that won’t work. I guess I should take ATLLions advice and stop putting gas in the motor that runs your mouth. I wish the DTs had half the motor your mouth does.

  

by KDawg on Oct 28, 2009 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fact based argument?

1. No stats.
2. Personal shots.
3. Inconsistency, “cherry pick” does not mean the argument is not fact based.
4. Expletives.
5. I too wish the Lions had better DTs…and several other positions.
Finally, when did I bash on the RBs?

by rbanner on Oct 29, 2009 6:59 AM EDT reply actions  

KDawg....

Checkout the Killer article on Pettigrew… he just ripped up your “average for a rookie TE” statement….lol.

Did you know Gates only had 24 catches his rookie season?

Clark, Gonzales… both had less than 40 catches.

Just an FYI.

by CLF on Oct 30, 2009 6:48 AM EDT reply actions  

Yeah, I saw it......

But, this is what I said:

Rating on a scale of 1-10, I still give him a solid 6, as he is still above average for a rookie TE in my opinion.

And I also think that Killer pretty much agreed with what I was saying, in that he is doing as good as or slightly better than 4 of the best TEs in the league today, when they were rookies. Therefore, I would say that my rating of “above average for a rookie” is pretty spot on.

by KDawg on Oct 30, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nope....

I admit when I make mistakes…..when Hyperion Ecta pointed out my error on the defensive player based analysis, I said “oops” and fixed it. I would have said “good call CLF” if I were going to edit something that you pointed out to me…..:o)

Plus, my rating hasn’t changed from my last analysis on Pettigrew.

by KDawg on Oct 30, 2009 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gonzales and Clark

did not start their rookie years…

by rbanner on Oct 30, 2009 7:25 AM EDT reply actions  

LMAO

Who said anything about starting?

Pettigrew didn’t start right off the bat.

by CLF on Oct 30, 2009 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

And for the record.....

rbanner…..I for once agree with your statement that the article was poorly written. For a professional writer, you would think Killer would know how to word things better. I have never really liked his writing either.

by KDawg on Oct 30, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

Aw crap!

You 2 agree on something? This just set the wheels in motion for the apocalypse…
the Mayans forseen it! :-P
Killers good on breaking the news fast, but his filler articles are only ok at best

by JazzyBBP on Oct 30, 2009 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

LOL

Actually, the Mayans had to fight for their lives while they were still working on the calendar……Nostradamus is the one who “predicted” an apocalyptic event to occur on 12/21/2012.

by KDawg on Oct 30, 2009 8:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I meant to add....

I do not think that the Mayans stopped the calendar on December 21, 2012 because they had forseen the end of the world…..I think they stopped because they were forced to drop their writing utensils and pick up some spears….

by KDawg on Oct 30, 2009 8:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why did they drop their writing utensils?

Did they have schlippery balls?

What? He can’t block a dead gopher? Humph, details.

by GRLion on Oct 30, 2009 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dec 21, 2012

rbanner will say “Maybe Stafford doesn’t suck…”
then the world will end!
j/k all

by JazzyBBP on Oct 30, 2009 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

12/21/2012

The Mayans didn’t drop their tools. 12/21/2012 is the winter solstice, and also the first time in 25,000 yrs that the Earth will align straight through the middle of the Milky Way.
The Mayans were incredible astronomers, and never predicted the end of the world. 12/21/2012 is the beginning of the next astrological cycle. The Age of Aquarius.

by j16941 on Oct 30, 2009 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Isn't the Age of Aquarius a song?

2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).

by Hyperion Ecta on Oct 31, 2009 1:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

yeah

from the musical “Hair”

by j16941 on Oct 31, 2009 4:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

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