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Lions vs Rams, on paper

Looking at this Sunday's game, I decided to cherry-pick thirty-six or so different overall stats from this season year-to-date to compare how the Lions and Rams stack up against each other.

 

For each stat, I decided to measure each team's "Advantage" by subtracting the other team's overall NFL rank from their own.  For example, St. Louis' Passing Offense ranks 27th in the NFL in Yards-per-Game, while Detroit's Pass Defense ranks 30th...therefore: Advantage: St. Louis + 3

Stats after the jump...

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Summary...

As their records and recent history would indicate, both teams are below average in most statistical categories, and near rock-bottom in a few.

St. Louis' biggest advantage might be on Special Teams (no surprise to Lions fans here).  The Rams are punting the ball more than five yards farther per attempt than the Lions, and St. Louis' punt return YPA, kick return YPA, punt return defense, and kick return defense, each wins in a match-up against Detroit's punt return defense, kick return defense, punt return YPA, and kick return YPA, respectively.

Expect the Rams to consistently start with better field position and do a better job pinning the Lions back.  The Lions do have the advantage in the field goal game though, with all-time leading Lions scorer Jason Hanson having made 90% (and we're all surprised it's not 100%, after he was 8-8 from 50+ yards last year), compared to only 66% this season for Rams kicker Josh Brown.

Measured in both Yards-per-Attempt and Yards-per-Game, St. Louis' overall offense is slightly better than Detroit's overall defense in every phase, and the same can be said for Detroit's offense against the Rams Defense.  

The biggest advantage here would be held by the Rams and their rushing offense, being 10th in the league at 4.4 yards a carry, against a 28th-ranked Detroit rush D, allowing 4.6 YPC.  Detroit is not, however, the pushovers that they were last year, especially with upgrades to the linebacking corps over the offseason, and having the bye week to heal up many of their injured defensive starters.  Steven Jackson could have a very good game against Detroit's D, but I wouldn't be surprised to see the Lions step up and match up well against the Rams offense.

Detroit's rushing offense (23rd YPA, 21st YPG) is about even with St Louis' rushing defense (21st YPA, 27th YPG)

In the passing game, both teams' offenses holds a slight--very slight--advantage over the other team's defense.  I expect an above average passing game from both teams.

I think there are some key overall game stats other than yardage that favor the Lions:

While neither team has impressed overall, especially after their most recent games (Detroit being shut out 26-0 against Green Bay, and St Louis getting blown out 42-6 by Indy), Detroit comes out just a little bit ahead in the all-important measure of points.  Detroit is scoring 17.2 points per game (23rd), while St Louis is allowing 30.1 (30th).  The Rams are scoring only 8.6 PPG (NFL worst) while the Lions are allowing 31.3 (31st).  It's a battle of ugly and uglier so far this season, so anything could happen here.

One other area where Detroit holds a significant advantage is third-down conversion.  The Lions are converting 40% on third down (16th in the NFL), while the Rams are dead last, giving up 51.6%.  The Lions will need to push this advantage and stay on the field longer, especially since special teams performances indicate that they'll be starting with a longer field.  Of course, everything the Lions can achieve on offense depends heavily on the health of Matthew Stafford and Calvin Johnson and whether those two can get on the field and produce.

The biggest advantages for Detroit are, most obviously, the much-needed bye week to heal up from injuries and home-field advantage, but I think this will be a close game that either team can win.  Winnable games for both teams in these rebuilding seasons are rare, and they'll obviously both look to capitalize on a game against a beatable opponent.

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The big things for me with this game is

1. We have to shut down Steven Jackson…well, at least slow him. Keeping him to less than 100yds would go a long way.

2. Force mistakes. It’s been a long time since we’ve had a mutliple inteception game, I’d like us to pick off Bulger at least twice, we need to win the TO battle.

3. Our offence must stay on the field and make use of the advantage they have against their D. 3rd down conversions may be important.

2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).

by Hyperion Ecta on Oct 28, 2009 7:50 PM EDT reply actions  

I can't see Jackson doing any better than Adrian Peterson did against us.....

and i will tell you why. The Rams do not have the passing offense that the Vikings do, not to mention the Saints. Mike Bell, an average RB, got off on us. Why? Because the Saints passing attack is ridiculous…..not because the Saints have a dominating offensive line, and not because Mike Bell is a juggernaut. The Lions defense has only allowed 2 100+ yard running back this season (Bell and Forte)! Forte had 121 and a TD. That means that we held Adrian Peterson (92 and a TD), Clinton Portis (42 and 0 TD), Mendenhall (77 and a TD after his huge game the week before against San Diego (165 yards and 2 TDs), and Grant (44 and 0 TD) all to under 100 yards rushing.

The fact that we held Peterson under 100 yards in itself is amazing. The Vikings beat us in the second half because of superior field position and turnovers. Favre did not light it up and the Vikings only had 265 net yards against us…..look what they did to Green Bay! Bell had 143 yards rushing against us, but he did not score. He was able to gain that much on the ground because Brees threw for 385 yards and 6 TDs…..the Saints had 515 yards of net offense. So how did Forte get over 100 yards on us? Jay Cutler did not light it up (141 passing yards and 2 TD passes)….and the Bears only had 276 net yards on offense. The Bears also beat us in the second half…..on explosion plays and superior field position. Forte had runs of 61 yards (1st qtr) and a 37 yard TD run in the 4th QTR or else we would have held him to 89 yards (if he gained 5 yards instead of 37 on that play). He did not have another run over 5 yards in the entire game. 98 yards on 2 carries…..explosion plays, missed tackles and mistakes.

All of that said……n4ry4, I think the stats here do not tell the entire story. I think the ratings of the defense make the Lion’s defense look worse than it is against the run. Minus the two big runs to Forte, we would be ranked 13th against the run. I realize that they did give up those runs, but I think you can agree that the Lions run defense is solid a majority of the time this year.

by KDawg on Oct 28, 2009 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Rams' offense baffles me

Rams are 10th in rush YPA, 16th in YPG, 27th in pass YPA & YPG, 24th in 3rd-down conversions………and yet 32nd in scoring (and it may not be close). STL has not scored over 20 points in a game yet this season, and have been shut out twice. Their points scored this season are: 0,7,17,0,10,20,6. They seem to be worse than the sum of their parts. There seems to be no life in that offense. Stephen Jackson seems to be their biggest threat, and like KDawg, I think we can contain him. I’m not afraid of Marc Bulger. I think we match up well against these guys. And don’t forget, the Rams have now lost 17 straight.

And if Staff is back, I really like this matchup!

What? He can’t block a dead gopher? Humph, details.

by GRLion on Oct 28, 2009 10:03 PM EDT reply actions  

That's what I thought

I was thinking this morning, isn’t this Sims’ thing?

2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).

by Hyperion Ecta on Oct 29, 2009 5:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm sorry, simscity--I didn't mean to steal your thunder

I was looking up stats on ESPN to see what kind of advantage we had, and I got to a point where I thought I’d just post them here with a few vanilla paragraphs for anyone else who was interested.

I must have subconsciously plagiarized the title, unless “on paper” is a common enough phrase, I don’t know.

Again, sorry! I feel bad, I can delete or modify the post if you want, I don’t care.

by n4ry4 on Oct 29, 2009 7:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

sims, I looked down the recent fanposts to see if you or anyone had posted a breakdown of us vs them before I posted these up here, and I didn’t see one yet. I didn’t realize you usually posted yours on the weekend.

Anyway, I am sorry,.I didn’t mean to make a copycat douche move—it was unintentional, it’s been a long two weeks since the last game, but let me know if you’d like me to do anything with this post.

by n4ry4 on Oct 29, 2009 8:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nah, its cool

the more information/opinions the better. Just wasn’t in a great mood last night. Keep doin what you do, its not like I copyrighted any of this, and like I said, my previews aren’t the most original thing in the world. I’ve been toying with some ideas on how to make mine more original. This week’s is going to look a lot like this, but I"m thinking about making some bigger changes next week anyways.

Read my Lions analysis at: http://www.studyofsports.com/?cat=142

by simscity on Oct 29, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

no wonder

i enjoyed this post more than usual….jk sims

by IAmGross on Oct 29, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

gross

you’re a dead man. KDawg, you’re in even worse trouble for laughing.

Read my Lions analysis at: http://www.studyofsports.com/?cat=142

by simscity on Oct 29, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

Worse than dead? :o)

It was funny…..

by KDawg on Oct 29, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll make the Lions rehire Millen

and that will be your last thought.

…then I’ll kill Millen.

Read my Lions analysis at: http://www.studyofsports.com/?cat=142

by simscity on Oct 29, 2009 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

What? He can’t block a dead gopher? Humph, details.

by GRLion on Oct 30, 2009 2:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

So based on these stats...

…I’d guess the game will come down to a Jason Hansen field goal.

Lions win! 9-6 Hooray.

by Brefstink on Oct 29, 2009 7:11 AM EDT reply actions  

Well, both offenses may suck up to this point,

but both defenses look actually worse, so I expect an above-average score.

Lions 27-24

by n4ry4 on Oct 29, 2009 8:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

ODDS

Lions give 3.5 pts. Imagine that!

I’ll take the under, currently set at 42.5!

Ok, Lions win 10-6…ha

by Brefstink on Oct 29, 2009 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm hoping we can keep the Rams to 20 points or less like everyone else

If Culpepper starts, 13-10 Rams.
If Stanton starts, 17-13 Lions.
If Stafford starts, 20-13 Lions (could be more but he may be rusty).

We have a good stretch coming up….we could maybe win 3 of our next 4 games.
Go Lions!

What? He can’t block a dead gopher? Humph, details.

by GRLion on Oct 29, 2009 10:09 AM EDT reply actions  

With both CJ and Stafford playing.....

I am expecting a high scoring game…..with the Lions winning. I will predict the score to be 34-20 Lions.

by KDawg on Oct 29, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

hope so

Just Remember matt... what would Daunte do??

by det32 on Oct 29, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

i rather stafford get more tds

so he can get the td- int closer to 50-50 or better yet more tds then int

Just Remember matt... what would Daunte do??

by det32 on Oct 29, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just want to win....

And I think Smith can go off against the Rams.

by KDawg on Oct 29, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wrote my prediction before learning CJ was back, too.....and before knowing if Staff's knee would swell back up the next day

Based on both Stafford and CJ playing, I’ll amend my prediction to 30-13 Lions.

3 TD’s (2 TD’s/300 yds. passing for Stafford)
3 Jason Hanson FG’s

1 TD, 2 FG’s by Rams (1 lucky big-play TD, but we shut them down the rest of the way, limiting them to 2 FG’s)

What? He can’t block a dead gopher? Humph, details.

by GRLion on Oct 30, 2009 2:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

+1 on that one...

i think he is going to go off … got back to some roots & appreciates where he is & feels like he has to earn the right to continue to be able to play a game for a living

by londonlion on Oct 29, 2009 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

If Kevin has a good game

I think we’ll win, it seems to be that way with us.

2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).

by Hyperion Ecta on Oct 29, 2009 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

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