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Identity Crisis?

FILE -- This is an Oct. 11, 2009, file photo showing Detroit Lions head coach Jim Schwartz talking into his headset microphone as he walks the sidelines in the fourth quarter of an NFL football game against the Pittsburgh Steelers, in Detroit. Schwartz might be tempted to rest banged-up quarterback Matthew Stafford and receiver Calvin Johnson for Detroit's next game at Green Bay because both players would get an additonal week to get healthy with an upcoming bye. (AP Photo/Tony Ding, File)

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about 1 month ago: FILE -- This is an Oct. 11, 2009, file photo showing Detroit Lions head coach Jim Schwartz talking into his headset microphone as he walks the sidelines in the fourth quarter of an NFL football game against the Pittsburgh Steelers, in Detroit. Schwartz might be tempted to rest banged-up quarterback Matthew Stafford and receiver Calvin Johnson for Detroit's next game at Green Bay because both players would get an additonal week to get healthy with an upcoming bye. (AP Photo/Tony Ding, File)

The bye week is always a time for reflection.  It seems the Lions always have an early bye week, but nonetheless, it offers up an opportunity for the first part of the season to simmer a bit and allow us to digest what has happened.   The Lions went 1-5 over their first six games.  Pretty much what I expected and I think I can say that most here had that same set of expectations.  It was a tough schedule for any team, but the fact that the Lions came into the season lacking an identity, made it all the tougher.  We saw some steady progress through the first few weeks, but the Packer's game left a big gash under an already black eye and the bye week has given the wound two weeks to fester.  Knowing what we know now about the 2009 Detroit Lions, can we say that they have an identity yet - aside from perennial loser?

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The answer is complicated, but I think that I would say that yes, the Lions do in fact have a positive identity.  Telling you what I think that is exactly, is the real trick.  There are a couple of indicators that tell me that the Lions have progressed in the minds of the media and the fans and that they are more than the faceless, winless scrubs from 2008.  First, the Lions are expected to soundly beat the Rams on Sunday.  Hear that... they are expected to beat a team.  Yes, they are the lowly Rams, but didn't we have a worse record last year?  Shouldn't it be the Rams that are expected to beat us?  Shouldn't it be the Rams that would be embarrassed to lose to us instead of vice-versa?  That tells me the perception is that we had a better off-season and made more significant strides thus far.  Second, we seem to be absent from a lot of the "really bad" team talk in the national media.  Thankfully, the barrage of hate seems to be focused on teams like the Rams, Buccaneers, Raiders and Browns, to name a few.  I did see that Peter King had us in his Tuesday edition of MMQ, which focused on what cellar dweller of the league had the best chance to improve, so we haven't escaped that wrath completely.  Bad news... we were on the list of cellar dwellers.  Good news... he picked us as one of teams most likely to improve.

You are probably saying, "Yeah, so what?  That doesn't explain what their identity is."  You're right, it doesn't.  That just says they still suck, but just not as bad as last year.  A team that is improved but still not a winner usually has no identity other than being a loser of various levels.  Yet I feel that something about the perception of the Lions has changed.  It's not necessarily that we have improved dramatically on either offense or defense, because they both still have countless problems, but it's more of a media image makeover thing.  The team as a whole has been consumed by the personality of one individual.  And no, it's not Matthew Stafford.

Jim Schwartz has officially stamped this team with his personality and tenacity.  The team feels different, because the guy who is the face of the team after games and practices IS different.  Since I started following the Lions many moons ago, I have never had the feeling that our coach would do anything to win.  Sure, they all want to win... badly.  But they have not continuously tried anything and everything to win.  Schwartz is doing that.  He is changing up anything that is not working.  I get the sense that he will not stop until the Lions are winners.  I have never had that feeling with a Lions coach before.  Over the course of last year Marinelli made some changes, but far too few and they came far too late.  Schwartz is changing it up at a frenetic pace, trying desperately to find a winning combination.  Usually, coaches don't get desperate until they are on their way out.  Schwartz is breaking that mold and expects there to be a sense of urgency to win right now.

I can't speak for everyone else, but for me, this is a breath of fresh air.  I know that we still have severe talent deficiencies, but to stand pat and not at least try to change things up is conceding defeat.  That is exactly what Marinelli did last year.  Each game, he stood at that podium and took the blame off the players and put it on himself.  Commendable?  I suppose so.  Besides, he did deserve a lot of the blame.  But the players ended up with no public accountability and therefore, played with little to no urgency.  Even the threat of an historic winless season wasn't enough to will the players to rise above just one stinking team.  And Marinelli just accepted it.  Can you see Jim Schwartz ever just accepting it?  Hell no, I can't.  And he won't.  Even if the Lions go 1-15 this year, you will see a different group of players lining up on the field each week until it is the right group... a winning group.  Schwartz is a hard-nosed, stoic presence that just exudes persistence.  The talent will file in over the coming years and with it the wins.  But in the meantime, Schwartz will not be content to simply concede defeat.  I think we can count on that.

I know it's only been six games, but have you ever seen a Lions coach so determined to do anything to win?

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Still feelin the Schwartz.

I agree that this is the first head coach I’ve actually been excited about in all my years as a Lions fan. It is tough to put a finger on it, but it seems like there is a different dynamic with how he speaks to the media, how he’s related to the fans, and how he has handled his team to this point.
Maybe the results aren’t making their way into the win column yet, but I still believe they’ll get there. I just hope that the state this team was in when he inherited it doesn’t ultimately cost him the job before it’s completely turned around.
We’ve all seen just how depleted this team still is, in spite of some early enthusiasm about the direction this team is headed. The reality is still that this was an 0-16 team last year, and aside from some nice additions this is still a poor football team from a talent and depth standpoint. It will take time, but the NFL is a results driven business and time is not usually in anyone’s favor.

by Mushy on Oct 29, 2009 11:36 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

One thing I really like about Schwartz

is when he goes for it on 4th down.

We did it twice in the Packers game, one time when we could have had a field goal but he wanted a touchdown.

Yes, we didn’t convert those two. Sometimes it happens, sometimes it doesn’t, law-of-averages and all that.

But when a coach recognizes that his team is overmatched in terms of talent, and 4th-and-short comes up, he has really two options:

1. Punt the ball away or take the field goal, keep the score closer. This helps deflect blame because the coach is making the “safe” decision.

2. Take some chances, give yourself a bigger chance to win, even if it comes with a bigger chance of losing by a larger margin.

Schwartz is a smart guy—he knows when he’s better off going for it, and he’s willing to accept the consequences when it doesn’t happen to work out. There were some games where Marinelli would just punt the ball away late in the game instead of trying to keep the drive alive and get points. When you’re behind by multiple touchdowns, and you punt late in the fourth quarter, it signifies that you’ve quit on your team, that it’s more important to just play out the field position battle and keep the score closer, rather than taking a chance.

I love it when a coach is willing to take risks and show confidence in his offense, even if it backfires __% of the time, rather than quitting on his team.

I think Schwartz’ calculated aggressiveness will come around and pay off, even if it didn’t in Green Bay.

by n4ry4 on Oct 29, 2009 11:51 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

i like it

Just Remember matt... what would Daunte do??

by det32 on Oct 29, 2009 10:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've seen this before.

I’m pretty sure I saw this guy on Behind the Lines on ESPN. I was skeptical at first, but when he ran the numbers I decided he wasn’t completely nuts.

by Lionsrmycrack on Oct 30, 2009 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hahaha

That’s how I play Madden! Punting=Pussy.

by j16941 on Oct 30, 2009 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree that the ultimate success of the Lions is more about Schwartz than any other player or staff person.

Finally, a coach who is not philosophically tied into some type of scheme or brand of football. Schwartz seems to be a person who will look at his resources first, then design a scheme to maximize their potential. If he does not know what a player can do he is not afraid to try him so that a decision can be made whether further changes are necessary.

Schwartz is a DC with an avid interest in all phases of the game. He also seems to be a confident, cool, and inspiring leader. I think we have our man for the next ten years or so. That would be the biggest change.

by NorthLeft12 on Oct 29, 2009 11:58 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Identity

When Schwartz came aboard, the expectation was that the Lions would become a smashmouth running team, with some nice deep play-action passes to Megatron sprinkled in.

So far, I’m not feeling it…Although the OL has stepped it up some on run blocking, we’ve got to get the running game going. Kevin Smith is only adequate so far. He needs to bust out big. I think Aaron Brown should be given more carries – despite his inability to pick up blitzes. If he’s running the ball, that’s not an issue. He has speed that Smith does not…
We really need to draft a couple young stud run blockers! Pettigrew fits the mold of the identity, but cant do it alone. Running the ball takes a lot of the pressure off of Staff and CJ. Let’s establish that as the Lions identity.

Next, we need more guys like Delmas! Our Defense needs to be feared as being crazy tough. When you play us, you know you are gonna be on ice on Monday. We need to be the football equivalent of the “Bad Boyz Pistons”.
I think Schwartz can make it happen, but it’s gonna take a few drafts. I support him.

by Brefstink on Oct 29, 2009 12:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Depth

I have to agree that this team feels different, but I also have to admit that I was excited when Marinelli was hired. I think the difference was that I liked Marinelli’s attitude and talk, but it turned out that he didn’t follow through with what was expected. I also think that Schwartz is smarter and able to match a scheme to the players rather than have a scheme that you fit players into. I get excited every year about our prospects and I don’t trust my own instincts here.

Our biggest problem (as exposed over the past few weeks) is depth. I think this team clearly needs talent, but if our top players were all healthy, we would be capable of winning. The problem is that in the NFL, you never have a fully healthy team and you need your backup players to be at least good enough to fill in. I am not talking about just Stafford and Calvin here, but the whole team needs to be deeper. With a series of solid drafts we can fill in that depth and cure a lot of our problems. I am certain that this is why the Lions went with the best player on the board strategy this year – because we are so thin, we need to add good players not just fill holes. I am still concerned about our glaring holes (OL and secondary) but you have to admit that overall so far, this was our best draft class in many many years as far as rookies who can contribute (and have).

I would definately like to see some more wins this year – and I am excited that Schwartz seems to be doing everything he can – but if we come out with some improvement and Stafford gets the experience he needs, not only will I be happy but I think it will bode well for this team next year and in the near future.

by Lions-fan-SLC on Oct 29, 2009 1:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

In my opinion.....

Jim Schwartz reminds me of another coach we once had (in many aspects but not all). A coach who identified with the players and the fans, a coach who was a player himself, a coach who tried many different things in an attempt to produce a winning combination, and a coach who once “restored the roar”. If you haven’t figured it out yet, Schwartz reminds me a lot of Wayne Fontes (insert laugh track here).

Yeah, I know what some of you are probably thinking…..they are completely different, it was a different game then, we had a lot more talent etc etc. Are they so much different? I think that Schwartz is a much more cerebral coach than Fontes was, and I think that he handles the team with a firmer approach, but other than that I believe they are very comparable. Fontes changed up his personnel on the field constantly. Fontes brought his personality, tenacity, and desire to win to the table. Fontes was a winner (and a loser). The biggest differences between the Lions of the Fontes era and the Lions of the Schwartz is that the old Lions pretty much had one player who they could rely on to generate offense (except for the one year that Mitchell threw for 4500+ yards and Herman Moore and Brett Perriman set the tandem receiving record), and the Lions of old either had a very good defense and a horrible offense, or a very good offense and a horrible defense (even that is not much different from now, except it has been one or the other on a weekly basis and not all season).

The new Lions, under the direction of Jim Schwartz, are looking to build balance on both sides of the ball. Schwartz and company have already started putting some of the pieces in place with the first draft of the young coaches era. We now have a “franchise” QB, a solid RB, a good FB, a TE with huge potential, a superstar WR, a stud rookie at safety, and a pretty solid linebacking core. The offense is neither great nor horrible, and the defense is neither great nor horrible. Right now, our offense and defense are pretty average, but we have the beginnings of balance on both sides of the ball. Of course, those facts can not be entirely credited (or blamed) on the head coaches, but they certainly have their pull and they directly influence who is drafted and who is not. That is the main difference between Coach Wayne Fontes and Coach Jim Schwartz……influence.

While Wayne Fontes was an outstanding coach who knew what it took to win, Jim Schwartz is also an outstanding coach, who knows what it takes to win, AND he is in a position where his influence can be utilized to a far greater degree. Fontes took over in the late 80’s (1988, week 12) when the Lions were mired in mediocrity and the previous head coach (Darryl Rogers) had never coached the team to more than 7 wins. However, the Lions were already into the re-building process at that point and some of the pieces were already in place (namely Lomas Brown, Kevin Glover, Jerry Ball, George Jamison, Chris Spielman, Dennis Gibson, Bennie Blades, and Eddie Murray). By 1991, when the Lions went 12-4 and marched all the way to the NFC Championship game, they had added Barry Sanders, Robert Clark, Willie Green, Brett Perriman, Eric Andolsek, Mike Utley, Ken Dallafor, Marc Spindler, Tracy Hayworth, Ray Crockett, William White, and Mel Gray!! Schwartz takes over when the Lions are pretty much at the point where there is NO choice but to rebuild. Sure, he already had Calvin Johnson, Kevin Smith, Backus (ugh), Raiola (ugh), Cherilus, Peterman (ugh), Ernie Sims, Cliff Avril, and DeWayne White in place, but Backus should be on his way out of here (he is no Lomas Brown to be sure) and I think we could also improve at C, RG, and LG (Raiola, Peterman, and Jansen/Loper/Ramirez are no where near as good as Andolsek, Utley, and Glover were), not to mention DT and DE (namely Jackson and White). So in all reality Schwartz comes in when all he has is CJ, Kevin Smith, Gosder, Sims, and Avril to work with.

My point is this…..Schwartz was brought in as the head coach because he was known to be very intelligent and he had been very successful as a defensive coordinator. It was known that he knew what it took to build a great defense. That knowledge was to be put to immediate use as the head coach of the Lions, in that he would be given the opportunity to help build the team, basically from the ground up. He has been given far more influence than Wayne Fontes had, and his approach is clearly different with a focus on balance. Schwartz and Mayhew have worked together to bring Larry Foote, Julian Peterson, William James, Anthony Henry, Louis Delmas, Marquand Manuel, Grady Jackson, Sammie Lee Hill, Turk McBride, Copeland Bryan, Jason Hunter, DeAndre Levy, Brandon Pettigrew, Jon Jansen, Loper, Salaam, Bryant Johnson, Dennis Northcutt, Will Heller, MATT STAFFORD (maybe the biggest one of all), and multiple others in through the draft, free agency, and via trade. These acquisitions have brought us a team that is vastly improved (even if they are only average) and far more balanced than Lion teams of the past. Not only has Schwartz helped to bring talent and balance to Detroit, but he has also laid a solid foundation of players to build on (in less than 1 season)!

In comparison, Wayne Fontes already had Lomas Brown, Kevin Glover, Jerry Ball, George Jamison, Chris Spielman, Dennis Gibson, Bennie Blades, and Eddie Murray when he took over in 1988. By 1991, he had those players plus Barry Sanders, Robert Clark, Willie Green, Brett Perriman, Eric Andolsek, Mike Utley, Ken Dallafor, Marc Spindler, Tracy Hayworth, Ray Crockett, William White, and Mel Gray (not to mention Rodney Peete and Erik Kramer, who were servicable but not “franchise” QBs). That is 20 solid players (22 if you count the 2 QBs), not including the depth players. Before the end of his first season, starting from nothing, Jim Schwartz has MATT STAFFORD, CJ, Kevin Smith, Gosder Cherilus, Ernie Sims, Cliff Avril, Larry Foote, Julian Peterson, William James, Anthony Henry, Louis Delmas, Marquand Manuel, Grady Jackson, Sammie Lee Hill, DeAndre Levy, Brandon Pettigrew, Jon Jansen, Bryant Johnson, Dennis Northcutt, and Will Heller, who are all relatively young and average or better! That is 20 players to build on in less than HALF of a season! Sure, we can improve over James, Jansen, Henry, Manuel, Jackson, and probably Bryant and Northcutt, but 13 of those 20 players is an outstanding start in my opinion. Imagine what he will do for the team in the span of 3 years that Fontes had!!

Jim Schwartz is going to lead us to the Super Bowl…..I have no doubt about that. The ROAR will once again be restored!!

by KDawg on Oct 29, 2009 3:18 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

wow

this comment is bigger than the post itself

u really luv the lions dont you

The beginning of the end of the misery

by latif on Oct 29, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh yes.....

Once I got going, I found it hard to stop…..lol

by KDawg on Oct 29, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love you you said the Lions offense and defense are about average....KDawg

Given that recent past. That is a major step forward. But I gotta disagree with the Schwartz/Fontes comparison. I feel that Fontes was not a very good head coach. I think Schwartz is already better than Fontes.

by JCruize on Oct 30, 2009 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's cool

I don’t expect everyone to agree with my opinion, however I feel that Wayne Fontes was an excellent coach. 2 Division championships and 4 winning seasons out of 8 is not too bad, considering the death of Erik Andolsek, the career ending injury to Utley, and the flip flop, Jeckyl and Hyde offense and defense during the years that he was HC. He was especially good from 1991 – 1995 (with the exception of 1992 the year following Andolsek’s freak accident and Utley’s career ending injury). 4 winning seasons out of 5 during those years.

by KDawg on Oct 30, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess my beef is the Jeckyl and Hyde offense and defense..

I think that if the Lions have some stability there and at quarterback. They might have been able to get in the Super Bowl.

But i do have to admit. The Fontes years were the glory years for me, as a Lions fan. Sad commentary in itself.

by JCruize on Oct 30, 2009 8:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What no disclaimer?

We didn't lose the games, we just ran out of time -- Bobby Layne

by detpistons3 on Oct 29, 2009 4:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Quite a few didn't care for the tongue-in-cheek...

opener, so I stopped doing it. I don’t write this stuff for myself….

by DrewsLions on Oct 29, 2009 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

more personality = good.

That’s why blogs are superior to newspapers.

Read my Lions analysis at: http://www.studyofsports.com/?cat=142

by simscity on Oct 29, 2009 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

I had no issues with it

2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).

by Hyperion Ecta on Oct 30, 2009 12:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i dont care if it had stayed or stoped not like you cant skip it

with its writen like this it is easy to skip it

Just Remember matt... what would Daunte do??

by det32 on Oct 29, 2009 9:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn't mind the disclaimer

I agree with simcity, the more personality the better

We didn't lose the games, we just ran out of time -- Bobby Layne

by detpistons3 on Oct 29, 2009 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You gotta love the Schwartz!

While the results haven’t come yet, I’m pretty hopeful for his future here, just like every other rookie we have.

2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).

by Hyperion Ecta on Oct 29, 2009 7:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree completely...

I can’t say I’m not disappointed… but honestly… I expected us to be 1-5 coming into the bye week…

However, I expected a close game against the Packers, and a blow out against the Steelers. So… Whatever.

by ZWC11 on Oct 29, 2009 11:15 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I love being a Lions fan

I think it’s awesome finding people who have shared the frustration of this decade yet produce people as optimistic as KDawg, thank you sir.

I agree with the original post I hoped for a 2 or 3 wins this season and don’t think I’ll be let down.

I think Schwartz will get us there

by seattle lions fan on Oct 29, 2009 11:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

KDawg Thanxs

Very well said KD. I know at times it isn’t hard to say you are a Lion’s fan.. As a long time Lion’s fan now living in Colorado Springs,Colorado, I have taken alot of gruff from Bronco’s fans but this season i actually feel that we have turned a corner and the future is going to be bright.

by HYDEINC on Oct 30, 2009 1:55 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Great post, Drew

just give the man some time and talent

by JazzyBBP on Oct 30, 2009 12:34 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs


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