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Matthew Stafford Twists Knee; Severity of Injury Unknown

Detroit Lions quarterback Matthew Stafford (9) is sacked bhy Chicago Bears defensive end Adewale Ogunleye (93) during the second half of an NFL football game in Chicago, Sunday, Oct. 4, 2009.  Stafford left the game and did not return. Chicago won 48-24. (AP Photo/Nam Y. Huh)

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4 months ago: Detroit Lions quarterback Matthew Stafford (9) is sacked bhy Chicago Bears defensive end Adewale Ogunleye (93) during the second half of an NFL football game in Chicago, Sunday, Oct. 4, 2009. Stafford left the game and did not return. Chicago won 48-24. (AP Photo/Nam Y. Huh)

Near the end of the Lions' only scoring drive of the second half, Matthew Stafford injured his right knee on a sack.  He was brought down pretty awkwardly, with his entire body being spun around.  As a result, he twisted his right knee and went down in pain.  He grabbed the back of his injured knee and limped off the field, where he was treated by the trainers and given the OK to go back in the game initially.  After walking around to test it out, however, Stafford was too sore to return to the game.

"He twisted his knee a little bit," coach Jim Schwartz said. "Obviously we’ll have to do a lot of tests and those kind of things. He wasn’t able to really get it warmed back up again, and we didn’t want to put him back in the game."

Asked if he thought he could play next Sunday against Pittsburgh, Stafford said: "I don’t know. We’ll see."

Schwartz also said that Stafford would have returned to the game if he was healthy enough.  There was some speculation that since the Lions were basically out of the game by that time, there was no point to put Stafford in and risk further injury.  That very well may have been the case, but Schwartz isn't about to admit it.

I'm sure we will hear more about the severity of Stafford's injury tomorrow after he gets tests done on it.

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Wow.....

……I didnt think it looked very serious….Painful yes…..I hope all is ok and he will be just fine to go next week or at least in a few weeks.

by BennieBladesFan on Oct 4, 2009 7:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Just clicked on the Fox post game show

And their teaser comment going into a commercial break is “Is Detroit’s Matthew Stafford out for the year with a new injury?”

Way to guarantee that this guy is gonna hang on through the commercial….

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by ahtrap on Oct 4, 2009 7:53 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

jay glazer says "Kneecap subluxation"

Says probably not too serious, don’t think there’s ligament damage, might play next week.

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by ahtrap on Oct 4, 2009 7:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Past Injury

 I read somewhere that he had this same thing happen to him during his Senior year in high school. A relief to say the least. When it happened I just walked out of the room and didn’t watch the rest of the game because I was so upset.

by doctorjcmu on Oct 4, 2009 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ouch

Hopefully there is no damage to the patellar tendon…..if anyone is interested, here is a link to a medical explanation of a patellar subluxation (dislocated kneecap).

http://orthopedics.about.com/cs/patelladisorders/a/kneecapdisloc.htm

by KDawg on Oct 4, 2009 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Guys....I hate to be the bringer of bad news......

But from a sports medicine standpoint (that being part of my background) I can tell you that if he did dislocate his kneecap, he will be lucky if he did not tear any ligaments. As the article I linked to above correctly states, generally the medial patellofemoral ligament is torn whenever a person dislocates their kneecap. However, being that he has had this injury in the past it is possible that the ligament healed with less tension than before (meaning it is stretched out), which could have allowed the kneecap to sublux from the patellar groove. If that is the case, then he could be ok in a couple of weeks (or sooner depending on how much pain he can handle).

However, if the medial patellofemoral ligament is torn or if the patellar tendon is torn (or injured at all), we are talking about 4-6 weeks of recovery time. If arthroscopic surgery is utilized, and no injury significant structural damage is found, then we could expect a time frame similar to Drew Stanton’s. However, if there is any damage to the ligaments or tendons around the knee cap, and surgery is required to fix any damage, we will be without Stafford for a minimum of 4 weeks and a maximum of 8 (I am guessing…..more or less time may be required depending on the person and what doctors can do for that person).

I never wished this on Stafford, and do not wish it on anyone. It is unfortunate. I hope that it is not as serious as Jay Glazer has suggested, and I hope that Stafford will be back under center next weekend. I simply think it is best for all of us to prepare for the worst and hope for the best. If Stafford can not go, I think Daunte can get the job done. If not, then it is high time that we find out what Drew Stanton can (or can’t) do.

by KDawg on Oct 4, 2009 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Over at Mlive...

they were saying that Stafford was laughing it off with the beat writers and was walking around fine. I trust the guys in the room with him over a hack like Glazer.

by DrewsLions on Oct 4, 2009 11:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here's a link to the article...

see towards the bottom (LINK). Doesn’t sound quite as bad in this light.

by DrewsLions on Oct 4, 2009 11:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That sounds good

He made it sound like it might have only been a partial dislocation…..so if that is the case, and there is no ligament or tendon damage, he could be able to go next weekend. We’ll see.

by KDawg on Oct 5, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I sincerely hope you are correct

2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).

by Hyperion Ecta on Oct 5, 2009 2:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

having knee issues myself

torn patella & partially torn acl/mcl…it’s something that never completely goes away. you become a great weather forecaster though! changes in barometric pressure cause nerves to go nuts. having said that, i can tweak it going down the stairs carrying my kids…limp for a bit…next day back on track. the scary thing is, every once in a while you get a feeling of zero strength in the knee. now staff has much better care & physio than i will ever see…but it’s one of those things that if it is the case, we will see pop up through out his career. can he still function, yes, and he is probably shaking it off ‘cause he knows in a day or two his mobility will be fine. should be wearing a brace though to minimize it all. all in all, given the investment…through dc to the steeler wolves. i’d hate to see harrison or woodley come around on stafford after this. give him the week & bring him back for green bay. then he’ll have another week off w/ the bye…should be good for the second half.

by londonlion on Oct 5, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ow!

Did you do all of that at the same time??

by KDawg on Oct 5, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yup

playing fraternity league hockey…hadn’t played in a few years…wen’t back to pick up the puck behind the net, turned up ice & ate a shoulder. went into the boards with my leg up around my shoulder. i ran years of track, played v-ball, baseball, basketball & 5yrs of highschool football (played qb as a freshman, switched to wr & played some db too) so i have taken my shots. my knees were in bad shape as it was, i was literally only one shot away from having my deterioration turn into something serious. worst part was, when i went into the hospital they gave me some tylenols saying it was a mild sprain. woke up in the am w/ my knee locked…couldn’t move it. went back in & they took some x-rays & saw the damage. getting to the point now where i need to get a scope done ’cause i want to do all those things with my boy without putting fear into him (seeing dad blow his knee out making a cut).

by londonlion on Oct 5, 2009 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Slow down Dad

You don’t have to run and cut like Barry Sanders to demonstrate to your kid how to cut….lol. Man that is a horrible injury to have happen all at once….not being a professional athlete with the means for the best doctors and therapists, not many people ever recover from an injury like that. I’d be shocked if you are running at all unless your knee is surgically repaired.

by KDawg on Oct 5, 2009 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i can & do run...not daily or anything

but even playing with my dog in the back yard…if i stick my leg & cut back to the right…i can feel the “looseness”. sometimes even golfing. believe me, if i could cut like barry i would have the treatment :). but seriously…likely gonna get a scope done if for no other reason than to get rid of the scar tissue…a guy i work with had his done & he said it is night & day compared to what it was like.

by londonlion on Oct 6, 2009 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

Maybe they can tighten you up a bit while they are in there too…..I urge you to err on the side of caution LL…..from a sports medicine standpoint I can tell you that it doesn’t take much to re-injure a knee that is already weakened from a prior injury, and if you do injure it again it could be worse than before because of the weakened ligaments and tendons that likely stopped your ACL and MCL from being completely torn in the first place. The patellar tendon tear must have been painful enough, but I have been told that a complete ACL tear is the only pain a man can feel that is comparable to child birth! I doubt you want that!

by KDawg on Oct 6, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

most definately not

that’s why i’m at the point that before things get worse…slip on some good winter ice…miss a step on the stairs…show off a bit too much with the kid…i need to get it looked at. i can feel the weakness…and the soreness…as it is when it acts up it feels as close as i can imagine to a dry rusty nail being driven through the centre of your knee. i can’t imagine what the next injury to it will feel like. thanks for the sports med input…i thought you were a stats guru? switch majors?

by londonlion on Oct 6, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have a Bachelor's degree in Accounting......

and I did excel in stats in college, but when I was younger I could not decide what I wanted to do. I started out as a high school kid with dreams of playing professional baseball (I even had pro and college scouts from all over the U.S. watching me…..I had multiple full ride scholarship offers from schools including the University of Miami and every school in the state of Michigan…but injury ended my aspirations as I dislocated the elbow on my throwing arm and fractured the same wrist while playing football….my arm was never the same after that. I can still hit to this day, and even throw the ball pretty hard for a 33 year old guy playing softball, but I went from throwing in the high 80’s and low 90’s as a 10th grader to throwing 67 mph at best after the injury). After high school, I had an offer to try out for the West Michigan Whitecaps….but my confidence was shattered and I did not even try. Once my dream of playing professional baseball was over, I turned to my second love…..flying airplanes.

Because I was not physically capable of flying a fighter jet in the Air Force (apparently you have to have 20-20 vision and no fillings in your teeth) I decided to go to Northwestern Michigan College in Traverse City, MI for Aviation. I obtained a private pilots license and was on my way to getting a Commercial license when I ran out of funds. I needed a bank loan for my flight account (of $10,000), and I could not get it based on my credit and the fact that I had no co-signer. That dream ending abruptly, I transferred to Alma College to be with my younger brother. I took up studying Computer Science during my first year there, but after the first year I started to struggle with the programming classes I was taking. I realized that I was going to fail in that program, so I switched majors….first to Economics (Zzzzzzz…..I was an Econ major for 2 weeks, but since I kept falling asleep in Econ 101 I decided to again switch majors to Sports Medicine). I studied Sports Medicine successfully for 2 years at Alma (I was on the Dean’s list every term). I was getting close to the time that I was told I would graduate, with the classes getting far more advanced and difficult (Anatomy and the gross Anatomy lab with real human cadavers, Physiology, Bio-mechanics, Biology, Therapeutic Modalities etc…..fun fun), when I was told that I would not graduate with the class I was supposed to graduate with, and that I would need to take another 2 terms before I could graduate.

This was a minor setback in my mind, but other obstacles started showing their ugly faces. I broke my foot while playing basketball, which put me out of work for 6 weeks (I was taking 18 and a half credits and working full time at Meijer at the time), my immune system was weakened from that injury and so I started getting sick easily (which put a major strain on my studying and ability to attend classes), and to top it off the college closed the dorms for Christmas break right at the time that I was supposed to return to work! I asked my bosses if I could just wait a couple more weeks before coming back to work, explaining the circumstances, and they gave me two choices…..quit or transfer. I was forced to transfer back to my home store in Traverse City, upon which time my pay was cut by $2 an hour and I was placed in a different department. I finished out the holiday season at home, but when I asked to be transferred back to the Mt. Pleasant store, they said there was no room for me in my old department, and I would have to continue working at a lower pay rate in a general merchandise role. I refused, and was forced to quit.

Back at Alma, jobless, I had time to focus on my studying. I was working my butt off, doing the best work I had ever done at Alma…..but there was this woman, who happened to be the head of the Sports Medicine department at Alma, and who was also the head Athletic Trainer for the college, who was a feminist (if not an outright lesbian) man hater. I was one of only 3 men that had even been accepted to the program (one was studying overseas and the other was, shall we say, a bit silly and always up He-bitch’s ass). I was producing work that was every bit as good as the work the girls were producing, as compared and confirmed by those very girls themselves, yet I was getting C’s and D’s while they were all getting A’s. I took the matter to my advisor, who shrugged it off, then to the Dean, who shrugged it off, then to the Provost, who seemed concerned but did nothing, and finally all the way to the top with the President of the college. I was told at every avenue that I needed to find a way to deal with it, that this woman had never had any problem like this in the past, and that there was nothing they could or would do about it. I told the President of the college that if nothing was done I would drop all of my classes and take my $21,000 a year elsewhere. He said he was sorry I felt that way, but he did nothing. I kept to my word…..thus not getting a degree from Alma College.

That was in 2000. Times got hard for me after that, and I went down a dark path until 2003 when my wife to be came back into my life. We moved in together and we were married in April of 2005. Later that year my daughter was born. From May of 2003 until April of 2007, I worked anywhere I could….mostly at temp agencies and for 6 months at Subway. When the work started to get thin, I decided to go back to school (with a renewed determination and motivation provided by my desire to support my family). In April of 2007 I enrolled at Colorado Technical University, in an accelerated Accounting program. I quickly finished the required classes to be awarded an Associate’s degree in Accounting in December of 2007. At the end of March of 2009, I obtained my goal of a Bachelor’s of Science in Accounting with a 4.0 GPA. I graduated Summa Cum Laude at the top of my class from Colorado Tech, and I have been looking for a job in my career field ever since.

And that is the partial history of the last 17 years of my life, in a nutshell. I am open to working in any position that I can get with my degree, and I am not closed minded to solely an Accounting role. I just want to be paid well enough that I can live comfortably and support my family. I am a person who learns quickly and easily, and I am very manageable and trainable. If I could find someone who was willing to train me, I am confident that there is no job that I can not do. So, if any of you managers out there are looking for a smart guy who will give you everything he has……I am your man.

by KDawg on Oct 7, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

And yes.....

my family and I are ready and willing to relocate if necessary…..we currently reside in Ionia, MI.

by KDawg on Oct 7, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know the feeling

Impressive bio. I’m currently looking for something in the purchasing/supplychain/production scheduling area (in manufacturing), but with things getting worse here, will probably have to move also……probably to Chicago, where I can annoy Bears’ fans as we beat them for the next decade.

What? He can’t block a dead gopher? Humph, details.

by GRLion on Oct 8, 2009 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

gentlemen

first off…kdawg…i’ll share my bio too…sometime over the weekend…can’t find the time while at work…sorry for your bumps…but given your bumps along the road i’d hire you over pretty much any kid out of school. although you may not like the idea…stepping north of the border may be an idea…cdn dollar is almost at parity which really sucks for us & the whole free trade thing…and although things aren’t great here economically…there are parts that continue to boom like out west in Alberta…beautiful country out there & has had a booming economy for the last three or four years now (oil country that is literally exploding…can’t build houses fast enough). overall, the cdn market is going to come out of this economic disaster very strong…mainly due to the strength of our banking system…but international business & industry is popping up here all over. just a thougtht…and don’t know how you feel about free health care…but its a nice plus too

by londonlion on Oct 8, 2009 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I forget exactly where you are LL....

But I am open minded to pretty much any idea at this point…..I would not lose my US Citizenship by going through the Canadian naturalization process and then I would be a dual citizen of both countries. Do you have a position to fill? Maybe we should discuss this via e-mail…..mine is kdawg26m@yahoo.com

by KDawg on Oct 8, 2009 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I remember

I thought about it while I was making dinner…..you are in London, ON correct? That is about a 3 and 1/2 or 4 hour drive from where I am currently located.

by KDawg on Oct 8, 2009 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah i'm in london on

i’m in a call centre…where we have been at the mercy of our clients downsizing too. but i do know that as an accountant, there is a lot of work in tax (expecially income tax) and in the small business market. so many businesses contract out accountants to do their books. i had a friend who went out to calgary & had no trouble finding work doing books. the banks here are growing they may be your best bet. have a look at workopolis.ca that is usually a good start (td bank, royal bank, cibc are the big three)

by londonlion on Oct 9, 2009 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope he is fine

Losing him right now would be a huge blow to our season, strange as it is, Stafford is one of our better players right now. Thankfully, we have some depth.

2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).

by Hyperion Ecta on Oct 4, 2009 7:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

yeah

His decision making is already much better than it was week 1. Still having some accuracy issues, but I want him in there now. Having him on the sidelines is not only going to hurt us this year, but for the future.

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by simscity on Oct 4, 2009 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

apparently his kneecap went all mooky popping in and out of place.

by IAmGross on Oct 4, 2009 7:57 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

stafford

it is proabaly better if he dosent play cuz he got sacked 5 times against chicago, wat do u think pitt will do to him. give him a week off so their isnt a chance of the injury getting worse cuz he looked really good today.

by David7 on Oct 4, 2009 11:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

This is what happens

when you get sacked 5 times

by ImPuLsE on Oct 4, 2009 11:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

what happened to the line?

the o-line was playing some decent football the past couple of weeks…
they just let down today. the run game was awful, stafford got hit quite bit

by latif on Oct 5, 2009 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bears have...

…a good pass rush. That is what the Tampa 2 is supposed to look like, smaller pass rushers who get after the QB.

by doctorjcmu on Oct 5, 2009 8:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

+1

no line looks good when 7 are rushing vs 5

by londonlion on Oct 5, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Put him on the shelf !

Why take the risk ? ANY knee injury is serious. Do the right thing and have a slow and complete re-hab. Face it, Pittsburgh @ home and Green Bay on the tundra are daunting ( Daunte ) tasks regardless. Three weeks away is the bye. After that, we can still win 3 or 4 games…

by Keevatron on Oct 5, 2009 9:23 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I disagree. He is our starting QB. If he is close to 100% he should play.

I think if he is anywhere over 75% he should still start. They can always reevaluate during the game.

Being an NFL QB means playing with some pain.

by NorthLeft12 on Oct 5, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

don't get me wrong

i’d love to see him in there too…but only if that knee is 100%. any less & let me tell you, all it takes is one cut. if you have ever had knee issues…honestly it is a scary feeling to feel the knee give out. it feels quite literally like you have been suddenly amputated at the knee…your whole body kinda of floats for a second & then your sucking grass. i can’t imagine woodley & harrison coming off the edge at him if that knee is even the slightest bit questionable. i say yes for gb…but not for pitt if he is even slightly limping on it.

by londonlion on Oct 5, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm gonna defer to LL and KDawg on this issue

They have the knowledge and first-hand experience with this. I’ll trust their judgement.

What? He can’t block a dead gopher? Humph, details.

by GRLion on Oct 8, 2009 12:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep...

let’s see what kind of moxie the kid has and how well he can tough out the injuries. The next few weeks will be telling how this kid will respond when he’s nicked up. We’ll see if we have a real gamer or something else….

by DrewsLions on Oct 5, 2009 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Preferrably

I’d like him around 100%, but if he feels as if he can go, then I’m not going to blow up about it.

2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).

by Hyperion Ecta on Oct 5, 2009 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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