How Long Will Calvin Johnson Hang Around?
I wanted to pose this question to my fellow Lions fans for two reasons. 1) Curiosity and 2) to get a better understanding of the NFL's franchise tag.
Lions fans have seen "star" players leave the team in the past in search of greener pastures and a chance to revive their careers. Is this something that you see Calvin Johnson doing when his contract expires? I, for one, think Detroit should do everything in their power to keep him around as long as possible -- which leads me to my second question: Does anyone know the rules/requirements of the NFL's Franchise Tag. I had a conversation with a friend about CJ leaving the team when his contract is up, and he told me not to worry because the Lions would Franchise him. For whatever reason, I was under the impression that the Franchise tag could only be used once on a player in their final contract year to extend his playing time and give the team another chance to extend a deal to keep that player around. I'm now starting to realize that I don't think I have any clue as to what the Franchise Tag means. I'm sure there are plenty of you out there with more knowledge than me. So if you wouldn't mind filling me in, and maybe others who would like to know as well, that'd be great. Thanks guys.
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Hopefully not hanging around long...
…Can you imagine what the Cowboys would give us for Megatron???!!!!! LOL
Seriously, I’d trade him for more good draft picks. If you could get a 1st, 2nd, and other pick for him, I’d pull the trigger. We are not ready to utilize his talents yet. We need to rebuild properly…fix the lines, get a strong Defense in place, a killer run game, THEN we can add the offensive missiles…
Just livin' the dream...
I know the Lions are desperate...
…to fill the team with more talent, but Calvin may still be a once in a lifetime type of talent. If Stafford is going to develop into the player the Lions need him to be I think it would only hurt them to not have a player of Calvin’s caliber helping him out.
That being said, the team is going to have to start showing some signs of improvement (by way of victories) if they are going to convince Calvin to stick around for very long.
I'd trade him while he still has value...
He has shown a slight history of getting injured already…trade him before he blows out a knee for good!
Just livin' the dream...
+1
Mushy is right – it simply comes down to W’s IMO
I spray paint my dog Honolulu Blue and Silver
Pic - me and the great Herman Moore
If we could get two 1st for him I would trade him...
This is business
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by CapitolLions on Nov 10, 2009 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
I am with that..
I agree with this one hundred percent. Love Calvin Johnson and he is the real deal, but the lines and D are way more important!
Calvin Johnson...
Is PART of the Detroit Lions. As soon as he feels he IS the Detroit Lions, we should dump him.
Trade him before draft....
….we could get a 1st and 2nd for him in 2010 draft and 1st in 2011 at least.
by BennieBladesFan on Nov 10, 2009 1:45 PM EST reply actions
Don't trade him
He is more valuable to the Lions than his weight in draft picks. When he’s healthy, he opens up the offense for other guys, and provides a big target for Stafford.
He is an ideal player—elite talent with a great work ethic. If you keep trading away cornerstones of your team, you’ll be stuck in a rebuilding cycle for a long time.
If he becomes disgruntled and stops trying or wants out, like a Roy Williams or a Jay Cutler in Denver, then we may be forced to trade him. But as long as he is a good receiver who works hard and makes plays, I hope he is a member of the Lions.
i agree
I don’t think trading him for more draft picks or even a 2 defensive starters would be a good idea. CJ is a once in a lifetime talent that will flourish if given the right players around him. Detroit needs to keep him, build the O-line and get some other WRs to help him out, and he could be something special.
Ok so if we keep him...
…how exactly would you “build the O-line and get more WR’s to help him out”?
We dont have the luxury of having multiple first round picks in this draft coming up. So what’s your plan for replacing an O-line that has maybe one or two keepers? How do you add more WR’s?
Dont even mention the needs on defense yet! See my point now?
I think CJ is awesome, and I’d wish him success if he left. But he’s a great player, not once in a lifetime…that was Barry Sanders.
Just livin' the dream...
yeah
I see your point. But last time I checked, the draft wasn’t the only way for a team to build a solid core. Free agency and trades also play a role. So what if we draft in the top 5 this year? We trade down for more picks in later rounds, pick up some free agents and trade Sims for more team needs. If we can’t trade down in the draft, then we use the pick on an O-lineman or DT and we can still acquire more players through trades.
"then we use the pick on an O-lineman or DT"
Exactly my point. A pick. One. We need so much more…
We worked the trades and waivers pretty well last offseason, and we have basically Larry Foote and Peterson to show for it.
The proven, historic method for rebuilding a team is thru the draft.
Then when they start hitting their prime in about three years, you go out and get that big dollar free agent to help get your team over the hump and into the playoffs.
Just livin' the dream...
I see your point
I really do. I just think there are other ways of building a team’s core than trading away its best player on either side of the ball.
The first round is not the only round where we get to select players.
We have, I think, 8 picks in this upcoming draft (we have an extra fifth-rounder from Denver).
We’ll be picking high in every round, giving us lots of chances to get good players, and lots of room to trade around and get more picks.
We wont have "The players around him" before he becomes a FA
He will leave for less money to a contender….lets do him like we did Roy…only we can get ever more value for him.
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by CapitolLions on Nov 10, 2009 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
I wasn't for trading CJ last year when others were bringing it up...
but now I see that one player (especially a WR who only touches the ball 5-10 times a game) can’t make up the foundation of a team. I say for sure trade him if we could get a young very talented player at a more important position and like a 2nd round pick. We need to get quality players at every position to become a solid team not build around a receiver. IMO he won’t stick around when his contract is up so we might as well get as much as we can out of him before we get nothing. We could potentially get 2-3 solid players at 2-3 different positions and upgrade the overall team. There are so many good receivers that come out in rounds 4-7 that we could develop with actually having a solid foundation around them. Cj’s trade value alone could get us so many things we need on this team. No player is more important than the team as a whole especially not a receiver.
I don't believe that CJ will want to leave Detroit when his contract is up.
That’s because I have faith that Mayhew and Schwartz can right this ship. Right now we suck because we’re recovering from a complete tear-down of our roster, and we’re heavily dependent on rookies to get the job done, which, more often than not, they won’t.
Next year, we will be a better team. Our 2009 draft class—Stafford, Grew, Delmas, Levy, Hill, Brown, and the others—will have their rookie seasons behind them, and we will see their upside materialize. They will be more consistent performers—guys who can win games. Hopefully, we’ll still have some of our solid veterans like Foote and Peterson, but we’ll still have a relatively young team, with a lot of new rookies on the D-Line, the O-Line, and in the secondary needing to contribute immediately. It will be an up-and-down year, as opposed to the down-and-downer that we’re used to.
Then, in 2011, the talent base of our team will be almost wholly renewed and refreshed from the dark days of the Millen era. We will have a wide and deep base of talent, young and coming into their prime, ready to consistently push for the playoffs.
I don’t believe Calvin Johnson will want to leave when his contract expires. He will have worked so hard and seen the team hit rock bottom and climb so far from 2008 that I just don’t see him wanting to jump ship right when the team is right on the cusp of becoming a consistent contender.
He’ll be expensive to resign—good players always are, but he will be resigned.
Would 2 or 3 draft picks translate into players whose cumulative value is as good as an elite WR like Calvin Johnson? Maybe, maybe not. But what we lose is time. We need guys who are already contributing right now and for the next few years as we rebuild. We have enough holes on our roster that trading away the one guy who most helps our struggling offense, in exchange for a handful of rookies who will also struggle initially—I think that move would push us backward, not forward.
Losing CJ will also hurt Matthew Stafford’s development as a quarterback. One of the best things you can give a young qb is an elite target to throw to—somebody who opens up the field and makes other things on offense possible.
I believe Calvin Johnson is worth more to the Lions, now and in the future, than what we could get for him in draft picks. Don’t trade him. We get seven draft picks every single season. We’ll have plenty of opportunities to rebuild every position on the field. What we need are guys on our team who opponents have to respect on every play—guys who elevate the players around them. Calvin Johnson is one of them. He’s a cornerstone to this team, and I don’t want to see him traded for “future” “potentially good” players. That will just make us worse immediately and stretch out our rebuild over the long term.
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What? He can’t block a dead gopher? Humph, details.
I say Trade.....
…….this staff showed they know how to draft, unlike the last…..Free agency is just to gill holes…..Weve got to many….We need picks and as many as we can get!!!
by BennieBladesFan on Nov 10, 2009 3:53 PM EST reply actions
If we keep trading good players for draft picks, we’re never going to have a good team though.
We get 7 picks every draft. We’ll build a solid talent base, I believe our FO will make that happen.
We don’t need to trade away talented, young cornerstones of our team for draft picks.
We all love megatron...
but if the deal is good you take it…we cant trade him for a decent player and a pick…but if we could get a Pro-Bowler and a 1st or two 1st, or a 1st and 2nds…we gotta take it..
if the deal is good you take it. regardless of who you give up.
If a team offered 3 First rounders and a average QB to the pats for Brady, they take it…its business
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by CapitolLions on Nov 10, 2009 4:22 PM EST up reply actions
I agree that everybody has a price, but I just don't see it being offered
Maybe if CJ throws a Jay Cutler-like meltdown and forces a trade, but I don’t see him being the kind of guy who does that.
If somebody offers a ridiculous sum of draft picks, maybe, but I think Jerry Jones is all set at receiver.
I just don’t think a team will trade as much as CJ is worth to us.
Its intreguing for sure...
I don’t know that I’d be a big fan of us trading him, but some of that gun-shyness may be a little bit of Millen hang over thinking if we traded him for picks, we’ll just blow the picks and not have anything to show for it. I remembered an article SI had ran shortly after the draft. Denver had offered us two first-round picks, a second-rounder and two third-rounders, plus linebacker Al Wilson for our pick that we took CJ with. Millen turned it down cause Wilson was hurt and Denver wouldn’t give us a 2nd rounder as a replacement. At the time I was glad we turned it down cause Millen would have destroyed those picks. But if we were offered that offer today knowing that CJ hasn’t been able to really stay healthy…….boy that’d be hard to turn down……..
Oh heres that SI article – http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/peter_king/05/01/nfldraft0507/index.html
WOW Millen is an idiot for not taking that trade.
But then again it’s Millen and we would have nothing to show for it now. If that kind of trade came along with Mayhew and Schwartz though we would have to take it. That is just too many players to pass up on. And not to mention those players could come in and make an immediate impact.
On another note...
…does anyone have an info on the NFL Franchise option and how it works? Still fuzzy on that.
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y is anyone saying to trade this guy. do u see how good tom brady is with randy moss. did u see how good daunte was with randy moss. did u c how good the eagles were when they had TO. The point is that to have a successful QB u need to have weapons and he is IRREPLACABLE. on a good team with a proven QB he is being called the best receiver in the league. DON’T TRADE HIM
Patriots also won 3 Super Bowls with absolutely no stud receivers on the team.
They won with a bunch of decent receivers and a great team all around. At this point we need so much on this team that if we get 2 high picks and a future pro-bowl player who is in their 1st or 2nd year then yes it’s worth it because it upgrades multiple positions. We can’t be great at just one position and expect to win. It’s about the talent of the overall team not the talent of one receiver.
I know everybody, including me, loves Calvin but the fact is you don’t build a team around a receiver. You build around the lines and QB. Then you fill the rest in with talent and depth. It’s not like you HAVE to have a top tier receiver to win. It helps but it has been proven throughout history that the lines, QB’s, and defenses are way more important to a championship team.
I’m not saying trade him right now but if a solid offer that improves the TEAM comes along I’m all for it. Football is more of a team game than any other sport and that’s why it’s more important to have a balanced team all over and not just one wide receiver to win in the NFL.
Every team that's won the Superbowl has had different strengths and weaknesses
You could say you don’t HAVE to have a good O-Line either. Look at the 2008 Steelers.
Or a top tier QB (00 Ravens, 02 Bucks)
I think when we have something good going on the team, we should keep it going, not actively try to turn it into draft picks.
I'm not saying go out and seek a trade immediately..
I’m saying IF a team offers up the right deal or IF it’s certain to the coaches and front office that he will opt out or it will just be too much to resign him here then trade him. You can’t just completely shoot down the idea. This is football and it’s a business.
Hypothetical situation here: What if the Cardinals were willing to trade Boldin and a 2nd round pick. And don’t say the Cardinals would never do that, it’s completely hypothetical. I just want a yes or no answer. Because I would take that in a heartbeat. Trades like that are worth it. There isn’t one single player in the league that is completely off limits to trading. Do you think the Patriots wouldn’t have traded Brady instead of Cassel if the right deal came along. Patriots are the epitome of why anybody can be traded to upgrade the team. They do it all the time and they are great every year.
By the way I love Calvin and he is my favorite player
So I really don’t want to see him go I’m just trying to make my point about how anybody can be traded for the right deal and it’s not gonna be the end of the world. That’s why we are fans and not GM’s. We are fans of the team and don’t see the team or the players the same way as a GM or coach does. You just can’t run a franchise based on what players you love the most and couldn’t stand to see play on another team.
No, I wouldn’t trade CJ for Boldin + a 2nd rounder. Boldin’s got four more years on his tires, and he’s missed four games his past two years.
And sure, in hypothetical land, everybody has a trade value. If somebody offered the Lions X number of first-round picks for Barry Sanders, then they should take that offer.
But there’s a reason why the vast majority of good young players don’t get traded in the prime of their careers—they’re worth more to their current team than they are to other teams.
I think CJ's monster season in 2008 proves that his rookie year injury is not a concern anymore
And his knee is a week-to-week thing. Two weeks ago, he couldn’t play. Last week, he was limited. That’s progress.
Everybody gets banged up. But for the long haul, I’d rather have a CJ who is in his third year than a Boldin who is in his 7th (plus a second rounder thrown in).
Yea but you talked about Boldin missing 4 games in 2 years. Like his career is over now.
It’s only 4 games and he played the week after his face was opened up to screw his skull back together. The dude is a monster and this year even when healthy Calvin is nowhere to be found on the field. Sure he’s had a couple big plays but for a guy who is worth more than his weight in gold I would expect a little more out of him. In fact I do expect more out of him than we have seen up to this point. Hopefully he picks it up and proves why he is one of the best in the league.
I know, Boldin's great
but CJ would look better too if he got to play opposite Larry Fitzgerald and had Kurt Warner and not a rookie throwing him the ball right now.
I wouldn’t trade CJ for Boldin+2nd. Maybe that’s must my opinion though.
I agree that Boldin has luxuries Calvin doesn't.
and I do think Calvin is a better player. I just want to see him step up a little more when we need him. That’s what great players do.
It would have to be a sweet deal.
I don’t see Schwartz trading CJ unless he sees no way of resigning him. The longer CJ and Staff work together, the more they will be like Manning/Harrison or Brady/Moss. I think that Staff and CJ learning each other is a big piece of the Lions getting better in the future. As long as CJ thinks he can help the Lions improve and be competative in he future, he will hang around.
Let's trade away all our stars for tons of mediocre players! (facepalm)
To win a championship, you need a few stars. Calvin is our biggest star. You need elite players at key positions. Calvin is an elite player at a key position. We don’t need 5 Dennis Northcutts. Those guys are a dime a dozen. We can pick them up wherever without trading Calvin. Players like Calvin are what make us better, what sets us apart. We need Calvin.
I can’t believe we’re even having this discussion.
Don’t trade Calvin.
Don’t trade Calvin!
DON’T TRADE CALVIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Am I speaking chinese?
What? He can’t block a dead gopher? Humph, details.
Exactly right
Every great team has had at least a few outstanding players.
When we end up with an outstanding player, I think it’s a lot better to look at “how can we use him?”, “how can we scheme to get the most out of him?”, not “what can we get for him?”
I think the only times we should look to trade a talented young player are if he’s underperforming, if he wants out, if he doesn’t fit the scheme, or as part of a trade for a player who is a better fit. Otherwise, why trade somebody who is going to be great now and in the future for a handful of guys we hope might be good in the future?
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by Sean Yuille on Nov 10, 2009 10:25 PM EST up reply actions
Yes! And if we trade our stars for a bunch of average players,.........
………..we’ll be average.
I don’t want to be average. I want to win a Super Bowl.
What? He can’t block a dead gopher? Humph, details.
You are spot on, GRLion
I also can’t believe that we are having this discussion. Trade away one of the best young receivers in the league? Have you seen what we have for receivers behind Johnson? Wouldn’t we then have to use one of those compensatory draft picks on…. wait for it…. a receiver???
Makes absolutely no sense whatsover and no offense to anyone here that wants to trade Calvin, but I personally think it’s beyond ridiculous. You do not become a good team by trading your best players away. We have so few to begin with. I know the thought process… what if we can get three great players for Calvin. That is a massive IF. Calvin is the model player. He is smart, reserved, hard-working… what more do we Lion’s fans want? If he becomes lazy or a distraction or a malcontent… then you have to make a choice. Shaun Rogers is a perfect example of that. But I think that is extremely unlikely. I hope Calvin is a Lion for life. This discussion is akin to trading Barry Sanders. Both just as talented, it’s just that Calvin doesn’t get the ball as much. Would you trade Barry? If anyone answers yes… a virtual headslap is coming your way.
Calvin Johnson is one of the foundational players on this team along with our most talented overall player. The thought of the Lions actually trading him might be enough for me to walk away from this team for good, because then I would know that the front office is truly clueless.
by DrewsLions on Nov 11, 2009 10:02 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Great analogy, Drew.........it's exactly like trading away Barry Sanders
I would NEVER trade Barry Sanders.
Anyone who would want to do that would get a virtual headslap from me as well.
What? He can’t block a dead gopher? Humph, details.
I don't think anybody would have traded Barry.
and Barry was way more special and way more important to this team than Calvin is. Barry was the entire team. I could argue he was the single most important player to one team in NFL history.
toled0, where you said:
I’m just trying to make my point about how anybody can be traded for the right deal and it’s not gonna be the end of the world.
I don’t think anybody would have traded Barry.
I won’t argue that Barry was more important and a more dominant player, but both Barry and CJ were/are, by far, the single best player and biggest offensive threat on their teams.
Is one player entirely exempt from the “everybody has a trade value” principle, while the other player isn’t?
I'm saying Barry was the most valueable player to one single team than any player in history.
There are a lot more players with calvin’s abilities than there are/were with Barry’s. Barry is the best RB in history there is no comparison because right now Calvin isn’t the best WR in history.
So yes Barry is the exception.
Why wouldn't Tom Brady be exempt though?
you said the Pats would trade him if the right deal came along. Wouldn’t Tom Brady and Barry Sanders both be in the same “best player in franchise history, HoF” class?
I guess I just don’t think it makes sense to trade somebody without a reason.
If somebody wants off the team, outperforms their contract and is too expensive, doesn’t fit the scheme, doesn’t fit the long-term plans, slacks off, etc, I think those are reasons why guys get traded. But when a team already has a young healthy guy in the prime of his career, even if they could trade him for his exact worth in draft picks, what they lose is the time it takes to bring those rookies along into good players. They also incur the risk that those guys don’t work out.
In hypothetical land if somebody came by and offered two firsts and two seconds for CJ, would we take it? Sure. But that’s not likely at all. When we already have a great player, I think he’s worth more to us now than the time lost, talent lost, and uncertainty that comes with trading him away for picks, unless we have a reason to trade him. imo
I'd like to think he'd be here for a long time
But that depends on him and the team. I definitely don’t wanna see him leave, especially since he is a personal favourite player of mine. However, If things turnaround soon, and we start to become truly competitive, then I think CJ can be here for a long time.
2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).
Zack Follett: he will hurt your mind.
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What? He can’t block a dead gopher? Humph, details.
REALLY
while i agree we need picks no team would trade i guy like calvin for rebuilding picks unless they were desperate we have the next randy moss type talent right in are back yard and no mouth. Jerry rice, michael irvin,marvin harrison allthe great qbs have a true number one reciver unless your drew brees if it were not for calvin we would have no offense we HAVE to keep him around.

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