Lions Get Beat Up by Vikings, Lose 27-10
by Sean Yuille on Nov 15, 2009 4:39 PM EST
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PrintMatthew Stafford dropped back to pass around 54 times today, and he was hurried, hit, or sacked on about 70% of those plays. That stat alone sums up how today's game against the Vikings went for the Lions, because Minnesota pummeled Detroit and beat them up both statistically and physically. The Vikings out-gained the Lions in the total yards department by a whopping number of 492-297 and won the game by a score of 27-10. It seemed like at least 10 different players got hurt for the Lions during this game, including a few defensive backs, a receiver or two, and also Stephen Peterman, who had to be carted off to the locker room. There were others who got banged up but either returned to the game or stayed in, and in general it's evident that this team is hurting right now quite a bit. It was a rough day for the Lions in more ways than one, and I imagine the injury report will be quite big next week.
The Lions' biggest problem in the first half of this game was a lack of offensive production. The defense gave up a ton of yards, but Minnesota only managed to score 10 points because of turnovers and a big fourth-down stand by the Lions' defense. The issue was that Minnesota's defense was playing an amazing game, containing the Lions' rushing game and not even giving Matthew Stafford a chance to effectively pass the ball. He had defenders in his face about 1 second after the snap on most plays, and although he managed to escape pressure on a few occasions, the Vikings just didn't let him do anything. The offensive line played terrible and Stafford paid the price.
Minnesota came out and started the second half with a fumble recovery on the first play of the third quarter and a touchdown run on the very next play. It looked like the Lions were going to fall apart and get blown out like we have seen so many times this season, but Detroit answered with a solid drive that was capped off by a touchdown pass to Will Heller. That got the Lions within 7 points of Minnesota, but the Vikings eventually put the game out of reach thanks to more solid defense and a bunch of big plays made possible by Brett Favre. It didn't help that Lions receivers dropped quite a few passes yet again, because the offense needed to play perfect to have a shot at winning on this day.
Next up for the Lions is a home game against one of the teams that is just as bad as them, the Cleveland Browns. There will be a quick turnaround after that game with Thanksgiving coming up the following week. The Packers will come to Ford Field just four days later, making for what will be the Lions' third game in 11 days. With the way injuries piled up today, it will be important for this team to get healthy quickly and not get banged up any more next week against Cleveland. If that happens, Detroit may have a tough time even fielding a team when Green Bay comes to town.
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BS no call
not that it could have changed the game but there was a TOTAL no call on Sidney Rice… he pushed Buchanon down then he caught theball…. then a MINN TD… I hope the NFL looks into that call…. a total NO call….
well guys back to the draft… this team can’t hang.. we need talent PERIOD.. if we do not beat the Browns that would be the absolute low… the battle for the first rounder game next week … I’m sure Ford would want the savings for the second pick in the draft?
Tampa, Tennessee and Carolina played great games today considering I had them worse than the Lions at the beginning of the season…. GRRRR the loss hurts today!
GO LIONS 2009! the transformation begins.
Agreed.
On a position to position comparison, only the Rams, Browns, and Bucs have as little or less talent than the Lions do. The Titans are playing well now, and I am glad to see Young playing good. Heck, he’s 3-0 as a starter this year.
by Barry the Great on Nov 15, 2009 6:16 PM EST up reply actions
Guys - face it
Its between us and the Browns for the worst team in the NFL. We would lose to the Bucs and we already lost to the Rams
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I guess that means next week's game is incredibly huge for the Lions...
…so they are no longer proclaimed as the worst team in the league. Just as one of the worst. That, unfortunately, is a step in the right direction.
by Barry the Great on Nov 15, 2009 7:08 PM EST up reply actions
2x
the games are not major blowouts.. they are competitive… we HAVE to beat the Browns.. A MUST WIN.. otherwise.. the lions will have a VERY EXPENSIVE Pick in the 2010 draft…
GO LIONS in 2010! the transformation starts now.. they have much to do.
meaning early record
I did not have tennessee being worse at the beginning of the year.. .. I meant after the season started when they were winless… clearly the lions are worse now and have a lot of work to do compared to tennessee. Once we get the right players in place we can move forward
GO LIONS in 2010! the transformation starts now.. they have much to do.
Lions picked up a center
updates to come
GO LIONS in 2010! the transformation starts now.. they have much to do.
Coulda been a lot worse
Sure, we gave a lot of big plays on defence and our offence was inept for quite a long time but I still liked our fight. We were outmatched in pretty much every facet and still had a good chance of winning by the 4th. That ain’t too bad in my book. I know some of you will not like this sliver lining talk but you just gotta take what you get dealt.
2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).
Zack Follett: he will hurt your mind.
+1 Hyper
This game should have been a lot worse scorewise. The Lions were physically manhandled from the first snap. The KSmith fumble was a killer as was the no call on the push off on that Sidney Rice bomb.
Another week, another opposing QB with a rating well over 100. Not gonna win in the NFL playing against Joe Montana every week.
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My summary of the team, for what it's worth
We all know the Lions were manhandled today, but here’s what I saw, after watching every snap today for each unit:
Offensively, Stafford showed some real toughness. As Sean pointed out, he was just beat up today, but hung in there, didn’t take too many sacks, and didn’t make the same mental mistakes that he did last week. He stepped up into the pocket when he could, although Vikings were swarming him from all angles. That said, he made some nice throws but he underthrew several drop-offs and short routes, which I found frustrating for someone with some incredible arm strength. The offensive line was terrible. The run blocking was ok, but the pass blocking was awful. There were only a handful of plays Stafford was able to set his feet, see the field, and really have an opportunity to succeed. Yikes. This unit is just plain bad. The receivers played awful too. Bryant Johnson dropped a TD at the end of the first half, which bothered me even more because I actually really like him on this team. Pettigrew played maddeningly inconsistent, as he dropped 2 easy passes over the middle, committed a bone-headed penalty, then made a great catch in the 4th quarter. The talent is there, the consistency is not. Kevin Smith looked good running but fumbled after failing to cover up the ball with 2 hands whiling going head first to finish a run. He was not much of a factor all in all.
Defensively…well, what is there to say? Will James made some nice plays but got burned, Buchanon made a great play to run down AP28 and cause a fumble and got screwed on a no-call offensive interference, but we really just lack talent in the secondary. No Delmas really hurt this time, especially with Rice running deep routes all game. Ko Simpson I still think can be OK, but Manual and Pearson should not play as much as they did. Again, yikes….we need some talent back there. To their defense though, the defensive line created hardly any pressure at all today. The line is full of no-name players with little talent or ability to contribute. They did hold on a nice 4th and short, but other than being slow and fat they lack any pass rushing ability. Anybody seen Cliff Avril??? I think the “strength” of this defense are the linebackers, although Peterson does not rush the passer as much as I would like to see and Levy missed a crucial tackle that led to a big gain today. Like the offensive line, we really just need talent, which has already been mentioned but is the only truth about this team.
As for special teams, well, we didn’t give up any TDs today, but we have no treat to bring one back for big gains on returns. We simply do not put fear into our opponents in any regards.
I still think we should beat Cleveland next week, but Calvin Johnson disappointed me today, dropping several balls. We need what few talented people we have to play at incredibly high levels, which they did not today.
by Barry the Great on Nov 15, 2009 5:42 PM EST reply actions
Your summary is pretty accurate Barry
Not much more I can add to it besides the brute force Minny played with in the trenches that we could not match. I think that’s exactly the kind of team that Schwartz will build in Detroit but it’s gonna take some time – perhaps lots and lots of time.
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not to lessen the blow
but the loss today was like the Pat’s losing at :13 sec after having a huge lead…
GO LIONS in 2010! the transformation starts now.. they have much to do.
Nice recap
2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).
Zack Follett: he will hurt your mind.
by Hyperion Ecta on Nov 16, 2009 8:39 PM EST up reply actions
This game
Further cements the fact that we need an elite OT. We’ve known this for years, but what really caught my attention was the play of the guards. The vast majority of the pressure was coming from the interior, how many times did we see a big defensive tackle rearing down on Stafford? Backus actually surprised me with his work against Jared Allen, it wasn’t awesome by any means, but it was better than I expected from him. Solution, draft Okung if he’s available, slide Backus to Guard, and let Stafford breathe easier for a bit and in a year or two draft a guard in the 2nd rd to make this line somewhat decent. It’s common knowledge that a mediocre LT can be converted into a decent guard, and Backus’s performance today makes me believe his abilities would be better serviced in one of the interior line positions.
We didn't lose the games, we just ran out of time -- Bobby Layne
Well if we draft Okung
We either trade Backus for a decent guard or test him out at guard. It wouldn’t hurt to try him out there for a few games, I think he would’ve done a hell of a lot better than Peterman who really shitted a brick today.
We didn't lose the games, we just ran out of time -- Bobby Layne
We still have Backus under contract
So to avoid the cap hit, if we do draft a LT, it would probably make sense to keep him. He’d be really good as far as backup OL’s go.
Plus, if the rookie LT wasn’t ready to start right away, he could play at guard until he’s good enough to replace Backus.
But I wouldn’t be surprised to see the Lions not replace Backus and keep him at LT for another year while they fill other holes.
Cherilus was owned by Ray Edwards the entire game.....
For the guy that we all have said is our best offensive lineman currently, he sure played a poor game yesterday.
Another thing to add
I was thoroughly impressed with Matthew Stafford, I really think this was his best game, not necessarily stat-wise, but she showed incredible poise and toughness in the face of overwhelming fat men. I felt bad for the kid, taking all those hits with a smile, I wanted to get out there and throw myself in front of Kevin Willaims more than a few times (it’s probably better that I didn’t)
We didn't lose the games, we just ran out of time -- Bobby Layne
LOL
Depends – how big are you dude?? I’m 6’1, 240 and I ain’t going anywhere near that dude on a football field
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Just flat out-classed...
… in all aspects of the game. Living in Arizona, today, was the first chance I’ve seen the Lions live on T.V. No wonder you people want to " throw " yourselves into the Detroit River. It’s going to be years before this team can compete with the big boys. Frankly, there needs to be a change in the strength and conditioning process. These guys are breaking like China Dolls. Who’s coming in off the street this week ? Bigger, Faster and Stronger is my draft wish…
+1
I’ve said that for years. Injuries are a result of poor strength and conditioning, you have to build the muscles around your joints (knee’s), not just get bigger and stronger on the Bench Press.
This was also the first game I was Swearing at the coaching staff. A draw on 3rd and 13 in the first quarter. C’MON MAN!
+1 to the strength and conditioning
Not to the Detroit river, and I think with 2 more good drafts we can shock the League.
Problem is, is that this was our only decent draft in recent memory.
by Barry the Great on Nov 15, 2009 7:09 PM EST up reply actions
Coincidentally
the first without Millen. I have hope for the 2010 – 2020 decade!!! LOL
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Thank God
We lost the ONLY OL we drafted to the Big Tuna. this Line is reprehensible, poor Staff, but this is more or less what I expected to have happen.
My hope...
is that someday the lions try to build a team from the lines. This is not a knock against Stafford, or the 2009 draft. This is a hope for our future, as I believe it is the only hope I have of seeing a Superbowl Champion Detroit Lion Team before I die.
The 2009 draft was the best we’ve seen in a decade, because talent was drafted. What worries me is that we still have so many holes to fill on the team besides the two lines: WR, RB, CB, Safety, Special Teams. We could continue drafting BPA for 2-3 years before we decide to concentrate on what I truly believe to be the most important building block to have in place.
Until we can beat other teams at the lines, we will continue to be beat up – regardless how much money we spend or talent we bring.
I agree
It all falls back to which philosophy you follow…..build from the inside out, or the outside in. Personally I think we would have a far better chance to win if we could generate a pass rush on the D-line and protect our QB while opening some holes for our RB on the O-line……regardless of who the people are at QB or RB.
Today was a supreme example of why I didn't want to draft Stafford
I’m not trying to start up this age-old debate, but obviously a new quarterback wasn’t going to fix this team. The announcer picked up on it today. In order for Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco to succeed they needed a solid running game. And how do you get a solid running game? Good O-line. I really wanted to sure up our offensive line before we went out spending 70 million on a quarterback. But if the coaches and scouts were so sure that Stafford would be amazing, it’ll prove to be the right move. But I’m just terribly nervous of what could happen to this kid if he’s subjected to more games like this.
As for the defense, I actually think it’s worse than last year. Maybe it’s because of injuries, but they are awful. Between the Lions and the Wolverines, I can’t fucking stand to watch games when we don’t have the ball. It’s really fucking frustrating.
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Sims
Statistically this defense is better than last year and I really think it is just by watching it. With that said we are still truly awful defensively but, IMO, not nearly as bad as last year.
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It's hard to swallow...
…but I can’t disagree. Oddly enough it was my fiance that pointed this out to me. When comparing bad to the worst ever, it’s hard to see improvement…but there is some. It seems like the offense is the more stagnant unit at this point.
+1
I agree with Mushy. Our offense looks worse than last year but the D has improved. As an aside, if your fiancee is pointing this out to you Mushy you have one hell of a girl on your hands!!! LOL
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Yeah, I thought so too...
…right up until the point she wanted to cuddle up at the bar while watching the game. Two steps forward…two steps back!
Your fiance tried to cuddle you at the bar.....
And suddenly Paula Abdul came in? lol
I see nothing wrong with a little PDA……and if you allow it, she will reward you for it later….:o)
LOL
Who knew “Scat Cat” would be joining Mushy and his fiancee at the bar!!!
PS – KDawg with your size why are you not on the Lions roster???
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I should've amended my post to say "pass defense"
Our pass defense is undeniably worse this year. It’s awful. I hate the feeling that when a QB goes back to throw a bomb, I know immediately that when the camera pans over, I’m going to see a WR with a step on his defender and an imminent 40+ yard gain. I’m convinced that UofM and Detroit have the exact same defense (except Detroit doesn’t have a Brandon Graham equivalent. ps – draft him). It’s awful and it’s really hard to continue watching. If I had the patience (and the equipment), I’d TiVo the game and fast-forward when our defense is on the field, because, to me, there’s nothing more frustrating than to watch a helpless defense out there.
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Correct
We are statistically worse against the pass this season than we were last season. I agree with you too…..it really sucks.
What do you think about good ol Jimmy Harbaugh possibly taking over for Rich Rod in Ann Arbor (this question is for Sean too)?
Are we really??
I thought there would be no way in hell we could have been worst against the pass compared to last year.
I think overall we’re better defensively, most notably against the run. The pass coverage, while horrendous, still doesn’t look as bad as last year.
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But it is.....
We were 27th in the league against the pass last year, and we are currently dead last against the pass this year. We are definitely better against the run this year than last year.
+1
I looked it up KDawg and your absolutely right. #32 against the pass, worse than last year. I stand corrected.
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NO
Rich Rod doesn’t have his players in this system yet. I have to say, I basically 100% agree with everything that’s ever said at mgoblog.com . In fact, that website is the reason I write.
The reason the Wolverines are so bad is because Lloyd didn’t do his job recruiting defense. So little talent on that side of the ball. Its not going to be much better next year, but we’ll make a bowl. Being a Lions fan, I have the patience and I can wait until 2011 to be good. If we’re still 5-7, 6-6, even 7-5 by then, then I’m for a coaching change.
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Agree with that
Our offense should be pretty good next year, but this team has showed they can’t even win in most shootouts. Their play in the Big Ten has been embarrassing, and that stems directly from the defense. If it doesn’t improve at all next year we are going to be lucky to make a bowl.
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by Sean Yuille on Nov 17, 2009 12:43 AM EST up reply actions
However.....
The Rich Rod scandal may send him packing regardless…..
If he goes, I would love to see Harbaugh come home. He has a track record of knowing how to beat big name PAC 10 teams.
I put the chances that he gets canned this year at 5%
…and I think that’s a conservative number.
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Rodriguez isn't going to be fired unless a violation is found
We don’t have an AD, and he will at least get a third year. If the team doesn’t get it going next year then adios. But he deserves one more year, though I’m terrified at the prospect of the defense without Brandon Graham.
If it eventually comes to a firing, Harbaugh would certainly be at the top of the list. He pissed a lot of people off a few years ago, but winning games quickly makes people forget things. If Brian Kelly doesn’t go somewhere this year he could be an option as well, and for the short-term he’d probably be better because the transition would be to a spread offense not to a pro-style.
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by Sean Yuille on Nov 17, 2009 12:42 AM EST up reply actions
I haven't read up on that yet
But I don’t think it is. Not positive, though. And it’d probably have to be a bigger violation than that.
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Maybe so.....
But there is awful lot of talk (on the radio) that Rich Rod is already on his way out…..not that I don’t think the guy deserves more of a chance, but if they do can him I would love to get Harbaugh and go back to the old Schembechler style (Harbaugh was a product of Bo Schembechler and Co, and so was Lloyd Carr (who I also think was a pretty good coach until the later years)).
And there's a reason you shouldn't believe everything you hear
Wilbon came out and said Rodriguez is done based off of a conversation with someone “that would know” who thought he probably will be fired. The rumors this past week were that Tate Forcier was not starting and was planning on transferring. Well, he started and denied the transfer crap. The “talk” doesn’t mean squat when it comes from people who have no idea what they’re talking about.
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Very true
Much like Stink, Caputo, Killer, and Fran Tarkenton…….lol.
I have no idea who Wilbon is…..I think I heard it from Jim Rome (what a reliable source he is right?). I never said I thought Rodriguez was done in Ann Arbor…..I just said what if he was and we could get Harbaugh instead.
I know it's not an excuse
But we lost something like 3-4 DBs to injury during that game…that will decimate any team’s secondary. I know they were shit before then anyway, but at least they’ve forced more TO’s this year.
2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).
Zack Follett: he will hurt your mind.
by Hyperion Ecta on Nov 16, 2009 8:44 PM EST up reply actions
Vikings fan here...
Just wanted to stop by and say that you guys have some playmakers on your team…
I read that there is a lot of wavering on Stafford, but I believe you guys have something to look forward to there.
I commented on our site, that I think your Lions and ‘those Bears’ are on opposite trajectories.
Your team is young, building, and getting better… the Bears are headed in the other direction.
Anyway… decent game today, gave us fans a bit of a worry in the first half.
Hated to see all of the injuries, hope none of them are season enders.
Go get the Bears and the Pack for us.
I BELIEVE...
by ArizonaVikingsFan on Nov 15, 2009 11:10 PM EST reply actions
+1
So, after this season, do you wanna trade up for our 1st round pick? You need Tim Tebow!
I’m thinkin, your 1st and 2nd and next years 1st, for our 1st and 2nd this year? Whatcha think?
That's not a good trade for Detroit, j16941
For Detroit, going from near the top all the way to near the bottom of both the first and second rounds, and not getting anything for it until next year? Plus, they’re getting Minnesota’s first-round pick, which is likely to be a low one if they continue their winning ways next year. No, Minnesota would have to give up more than that, and I don’t think that they would (or should).
For a team to trade up from the bottom of the first round all the way to the top (MIN will probably finish in the bottom 5 of the draft, and DET will almost certainly finish in the top 5), I don’t see that happening, and here’s why:
For Detroit, going down 25 (or so) spots means 25 really good playmakers we don’t get to draft. That can look bad for the Lions for years to come, so in order to make it worth it, they would need A LOT of high picks from Minnesota.
For Minnesota to give up that many picks, they would have to be absolutely certain the guy they are trading up 25 spots for is going to be great, and there’s just no certainty like that in the draft. They’d be giving up too many potential starters whom they could have picked, just to draft one guy.
I hope the Lions trade down and pick up more picks, but it just doesn’t happen very often that teams trade that far away from their current slot within the first round.
yeah I know....
kinda a hangover from the loss, and I’m just dreading all the draft talk again….
Does anyone know if we can draft Sandra Bullock next year, Heard she re-heats a mean Chunky Soup!!!!
Tebow? Why? Do the Vikings need a Fullback? ;-)
by MusicCityDawg on Nov 17, 2009 4:40 PM EST up reply actions
tebow aint a first round pick
The beginning of the end of the misery
by Latif Masud on Nov 17, 2009 11:53 PM EST up reply actions
Where the hell was Foote???
our starting MLB. The leader of the defense. Had three tackles.
if the shoe fits...get another one just like it - George Carlin
+1
Foote was clearly not himself today. I didn’t even hear his name called. His injury was likely more serious than Schwartz let on. He’s normally much more productive.
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A definite possibility
2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).
Zack Follett: he will hurt your mind.
by Hyperion Ecta on Nov 16, 2009 8:45 PM EST up reply actions
Draft
When we spend time having a debate about who the Lions should draft in the top 3 or 5 picks next Spring, all you need to do is pop the tape of this game in. You don’t invest all that money in a QB and not protect him. They need to draft the best LT available and slide Backus inside to guard where they might be able to get another few years out of him. They need to draft another guard or center in the later rounds.
Or maybe...
…they can draft a Flux Capacitor and go back in time to rebuild this offensive line properly. It wouldn’t be all bad if the Lions had a real run stuffing defensive line for the next time they bump heads with that Monster Adrian Peterson!
Yeah Buchanan!!!
Nice punch-out!!! Is anyone gonna think I’m a traitor if I say that I’m rooting for Furrey this weekend? Here’s my hope: Furrey sticks it to Detroit, but Detroit sticks it to The Browns-
Fair enough?
Watching the Browns game
I have to say the Browns look better than us right now……….sad state of affairs
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in the first half that was probably true
but the browns were an abomination in the second half… we better win
they did not look better than us
they got no qb, no rb ,and no wr….in essence no offense
but i still see this as a close game. they have a good o-line, which will
go a long way against a crapy lions defense. plus their defense isnt all that bad
and i bet shaun rogers will be pretty motivated next sunday
The beginning of the end of the misery
by Latif Masud on Nov 17, 2009 11:55 PM EST up reply actions
That is sad...
U know what else is sad? Watching the pregame for MNFB & I gotta sit thru Matt Millen talk about how the Browns need to build their franchise. Idk is it just me or is this guy completely unqualified to even utter a comment regarding “how to build a franchise”, now if they were talking about how to dismantle a once proud organiztation, I’d say he should be the Head Speaker…sorry, it just almost makes me ill how he left the Lions, it may take 4 or 5 years to undo his mess.
+1
LOL. Millen – unqualified as anyone ever can be to talk about building a franchise
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I can't believe you fly all the way from Alaska to watch this garbage.
I’m sorry, I love the Lions but damn….that’s a lot of money to spend to see this awful team.
by Barry the Great on Nov 17, 2009 11:09 AM EST reply actions
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