Let's Be Less Biased
I found Pride of Detroit through a friend who told me it was a great site to find anything you're looking for on the Detroit Lions. The latest news, updates, injuries, inside info, etc. And while all of that is true (and props to those who make this site happen), there is one thing that bugs me -- this site is too biased.
There's a not so fine line between optimism and bias. Optimism comes from those who are confident in what they support. Bias comes from those who are prejudice in favor of what they support. I can't even count how many posts/comments on this site this past week pretty much chalked this game up as a win. It's one thing to be optimistic that the Lions can beat the lowly Rams. It's another thing to think they can win simply because we're fans of the team. I think the comments and posts on this site would be a lot more informational and productive if we all took a step back and looked at the reality of the picture before publishing our thoughts. I think the excitement of rebuilding a team this season has all gone to our heads a bit. As exciting as it is that we have a new coach, some good rookies and veteran leadership on the team, we need to be realistic and realize that this team is just not that good right now. We show signs of life here and there, but there's a long way to go before we start stringing together three-win streaks within a season. And it won't happen this year, and probably not next year either. And for a few of you who believe this team is playoff bound next year, or even the year after that, you need to open your eyes. Not everyone can be the Miami Dolphins. That just doesn't happen very often. This team has a long way to go before producing anything that looks like a winning season. And while I'm optimistic that we have the pieces in place to start that transition, I'm not expecting a whole lot anytime soon. It's not being a bad fan and it's not turning my back on my team. It's simply realism. We don't have all the pieces yet.
I'm sure this post will upset a few. And to those people, I'm sorry. This isn't meant to crucify anybody. It's simply an attempt to instill some sort of reality check withing the community. I'm a huge Lions fan, have been since I was young enough to know what football was. I just think we ALL need to take a harder look at this team to understand the full effect of what's happening this season, and what's in store in the seasons to come. We've got a long way to go, but for the first time in year, I'm optimistic that the system being put in place now is headed in the right direction. Let's gear up for Seattle and see if we can't put together 4 quarters of NFL-quality football.
Go Lions!
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While I agree...
…that the team is definitely not playoff bound, I don’t think it was unreasonable to expect consistent improvement or even signs positive signs that the team might be improving. Sunday’s game…however, was anything but positive. It was absolutely within reason to believe the Lions could have beat the Rams…they’re terrible. The frustration stems from those of us who actually believed the Lions were improving…which is a theory in serious jeopardy at this point.
by Mushy on Nov 2, 2009 1:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
You're entitled to your opinion
but I still think we’re a better team than the Rams, and we should beat them at least 8 out of 10 times we play them, especially at home. I am lucky enough to be out of the blackout zone, so I got to watch the game, and nothing the Rams did made me feel they were the better team. The Lions lost that game. Stafford was very rusty, receivers played poorly, and the offensively line was terrible. I think all of those units underperformed to their true abilities. Not to mention stupid penalties and unforced errors ended productive drives early.
I don’t regret having confidence in the Lions in this game, because if they played next week, I would predict the same thing (although not as high-scoring as I predicted).
Read my Lions analysis at: http://www.studyofsports.com/?cat=142
by simscity on Nov 2, 2009 1:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I think the Lions are a better team than the Rams. I watched the game too and St. Louis looked awful. However, every Sunday we see better teams lose to worse teams for whatever the reason may be. And I just think that we need to look at every game as a good matchup, as opposed to an easy win. I expected Detroit to win that game, too. I think they are the better team. But I knew the game wasn’t guaranteed.
by giggy09 on Nov 2, 2009 2:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
THEY WERE....
Coming off a bye week for christ’s sake!!!! Of course the optimism was high…. there should be none higher! Add in an O’fer team…..
A fucking bye week!!!
by CLF on Nov 2, 2009 2:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I don't know
Coming off the bye week actually scared me a bit. Most people think it’s a good thing because all your injured players get time to rest and refresh. But I actually hate coming off a bye week. Teams (well, the Lions at least) always seem to be rusty. As if the week off was more of a bad thing than good. And I think that showed. Dropped passes, HORRIBLE tackling, QB inaccuracy. Bye weeks sometimes hurt a team more then help them, regardless of the extra amount of preparation time.
by giggy09 on Nov 2, 2009 2:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Gotta disagree with you giggy......
I think the underlying frustration here is that the Lions have appeared to step back the last two games [ at Green Bay and Vs St. Louis]. While some of the people here are looking for, and expecting, some Ws there are as many that just want to see progress from week to week. Green Bay was thought to be an aberration due to the numerous injuries and historically we have not done well up there, but this week we were looking for some better play.
I see no shame in losing to a better team that plays really well and without errors. But getting beat by a bad team that did not play all that well [from what has been reported] is difficult to take. Frankly, the last two games make the Chicago game look good. At least we made some positive plays in that one.
This last game all I am hearing about this game positively is Follet’s special team hit.
Are you kidding me?!? That’s all we have for a high point? That is embarrassing.
We all want to see this team move forward, not necessarily to win every week, but to be competitive and make some plays. I am still confident that we are collecting the right parts and will see much better performances than the last two games, but it is still damn frustrating to be back in the discussion as to who is the worst team in the NFL.
by NorthLeft12 on Nov 2, 2009 2:48 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Lack of Improvement
I agree with you there. That’s definitely a frustrating subject for me as well. We have looked horrible the past two games. Taking steps back when we’re supposed to move forward is a hard pill to swallow.
by giggy09 on Nov 2, 2009 2:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
NL
There were other positive notes….the Follett hit was just the biggest. Stafford had a nice 4 yard TD run, threw 24 beautiful passes out of 33 attempts with only 1 INT that was not his fault ( the INT bounced off of Aaron Brown’s hands and into the hands of the Ram’s safety…..even if a few of Stafford’s passes were wobbly, they were accurate….he only completed 14, but 10 were dropped and should have been caught), we had a safety (when Stafford threw the 1 INT, the Ram’s safety ran out of the endzone and then back in, and was tackled in the endzone) Jansen played well, the O-Line was not the problem for once, the running game was decent (127 yards total rushing, not great, but not horrible), Stafford spread the ball to 7 different receivers, the Lions won the time of possession battle by just over 4 minutes, we held Bulger to a 51.6 passer rating and under 200 yards passing, Dwayne White had a nice INT, the offense converted 17 first downs (9 rushing and 8 passing), the Lions were 6 for 16 on 3rd down conversions (37%….better than the Rams by 12%), we were 1 for 2 in the red zone, and we were 1 for one in goal to go situations.
I saw improvement in Matt Stafford…..even though he came off of an injury and was out for 3 weeks (including the bye week). He was not to blame for the loss. Kevin Smith was running well and catching passes for nice gains out of the backfield before he was injured early in the 2nd half. Mo Morris came in and did a good job in relief, even though Smith came back in and out during the remainder of the game. The offensive line did a nice job run and pass blocking (Stafford was sacked twice, but they still did better than the last couple of games), especially on the left side of the line with Jansen playing left guard. Our special teams were horrible, our tackling on defense was terrible, and we had some costly penalties. The game was lost on bad tackling and poor special teams play this time. However, there was improvement to be seen in other areas, and to me that is all we can ask for realistically.
by KDawg on Nov 2, 2009 7:35 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Thanks KDawg for the positive reinforcement. Give that man a rec.
All I have heard and read is how awful Staff and everyone else was. I appreciate you taking the time to highlight the good points.
A loss like this is a big disappointment in the short term, but I guess we need to be mature enough to swallow this and move on.
Thanks again.
by NorthLeft12 on Nov 3, 2009 6:07 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was not (am not) happy with the loss.....
But I have come to realize that it does no good to bitch and moan about the bad things that happened. I have also come to realize that all we can ask for is improvement at this point. We were the worst team in the league last year, and even though we overhauled the coaching staff and many of the players, we are still a team in the beginning of the rebuilding process. I have decided that expecting them to beat ANY team at this point is simply unrealistic. Hoping that they will win, or thinking that it is possible, is different than expecting it. Therefore, I have stopped looking at all of the bad things that are happening (we all knew there would be bad things) and I am trying to search out the positives…..the areas where we are showing promise and improvement. It has made it easier for me to accept losses, and it has also made it easier for me to see the problem areas (if they weren’t already obvious).
I said I am behind Matt Stafford now…..and I am. I said I loved this team…..and I do. I know that it is hard to accept failure after all of the years of continuous failure, but I see something here and now which I have not seen in this franchise in over a decade. I see potential. I see BIG potential. I’m looking at the forest through the trees……
by KDawg on Nov 3, 2009 5:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you
Gonna look for the positives, and try to stay optimistic, things are getting better….slowly.
2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).
by Hyperion Ecta on Nov 3, 2009 6:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
All that stat stuffing...
…and yet the one stat they couldn’t come up with was the “W”. I appreciate the enthusiasm, but it just further bums me out to think that Bulger was held to a 51.6 passer rating and the Lions still lost this game! Ick!
by Mushy on Nov 3, 2009 10:50 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep.....and because of the same problems that have lost them other close games....
Penalties, special teams, and poor tackling……
by KDawg on Nov 3, 2009 5:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm really getting tired of this
What is with the fans of the Lions?
I’m 23 years old, followed the Lions since I was VERY young. My father has been a fan his whole life. I watch games with him and he’s the same way as the majority of people seem to be here: when things are going well, showering praise, but the moment things don’t look good, he’s totally bashing everything and anything about the team.
If you’re so tired of it and you think we suck so bad, then what the hell are you watching the team for? Some sort of masochistic habit you developed over the years?
I UNDERSTAND WE ARE NOT AS GOOD AS WE’D LIKE TO BE. But don’t sit here and talk about the positives until we lose, then go on tirades about how terrible every facet of the team is. Nobody has any patience for the development of the team. Drives me nuts.
Go Lions.
by Nate D. on Nov 2, 2009 3:29 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
To clarify -
That post was less to the OP, and moreso to the comments I’ve seen on several threads since the loss.
by Nate D. on Nov 2, 2009 3:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why is it that these yungins...
…never respect their elders? You should take note from your ol’ man Nate…that is a perfectly natural way to react to a loss of this magnitude. Find me the silver lining in the Lions losing to a winless team, at home.
If there was something to hang their hat on, or if this was a closely fought battle that they just got edged out in…fine, but that wasn’t the case. This was a terrible team, playing terrible football, and our beloved Lions following them into the abyss in stride.
Patience only lasts so long, at some point some sign of results should be evident. When a team that was starting to show signs of coming around, decides to come out and take a dump on the field…it tends to take a little wind out of the sails.
by Mushy on Nov 2, 2009 4:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well said NorthLeft
The simple fact is the Lions beat themselves by playing down to the Rams level. Did I expect them to blow the Rams out? No way. Did I expect them to be competative and win? You bet.
As far as giggys post, I see where you are coming from. But I don,t think it was far fetched at all to expect the Lions to win, or at least be competative. I guess it is hard for me to swallow the thought that you can play strong against a strong team but do nothing against a sub par team. I get that the playoffs are a long ways away and I do agree that we have some great pieces in place for the future, Staff included. But there are some players on this team that need to step up and put in 110 percent. There are no excuses for that many missed tackles, dropped passes, and poor execution.
I can only speak for myself, and your right, there are some fans setting themselves up for disappointment. All I would like to see is week to week improvement, be competative in games, and give 110 percent. Lets hope we get that the rest of the year.
by Lead Hunter on Nov 2, 2009 3:29 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
there are some fans setting themselves up for disappointment. All I would like to see is week to week improvement, be competative in games, and give 110 percent
Based on yesterday, I think we might be setting ourselves up for disappointment with those expectations.
I really hope they play better against Seattle.
by n4ry4 on Nov 2, 2009 4:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Optimism was so high this year because of a new coach and new everything really
Last year at this time there was a reason to not be optimistic. We’re starting to come back down to earth, unfortunately.
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by Sean Yuille on Nov 2, 2009 3:57 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Yeah we are
But it’s okay to be brought back down to earth. It helps us view things a little more clearly. I think it’s easier to see what pieces the team needs to start to become successful. We’re no longer blinded by the excitement of new coach/new team/new attitude.
by giggy09 on Nov 2, 2009 4:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep, not over........Gabby Johnson's right!
At the beginning of training camp, I predicted 2-14. At the beginning of the regular season, I predicted 4-12. I’ll stick with 4-12 for now, although with a loss in a winnable Rams game that may downtick to 3-13 or 2-14, depending on it we steal a game or two down the stretch. I started the season taking a little heat as one of the more pessimistic (at least in terms of wins and losses), yet now am probably one of the most optimistic (in terms of overall development and rebuilding).
The main point is I’m not down on the Lions despite the loss. All season I’ve said the Lions (and especially Stafford) will be spectacularly, maddeningly inconsistent. Great plays, great drives, great games, followed immediately by mind-boggling crap. This is what young players do. This is what rebuilding teams do. I’ve been around long enough that I’ve seen it all before. Unlike some (rbanner?), I’m sanguine about the Lions current state of development.
sanguine: cheerfully optimistic, hopeful, or confident: a sanguine disposition; sanguine expectations.
It’s all part of the process. We’ll see more wild inconsistencies the rest of the season. We might even snag an upset or two. Many of the rookies will probably play better and more consistently down the stretch. Then we’ll hopefully have another draft as good as the last one, and continue to build from there.
It’s going to be a roller coaster season. I knew that going in. We need a few seasons to rebuild. No surprise there either. Enjoy the process; it’ll make the payoff that much sweeter. Patience, young padawan.
What? He can’t block a dead gopher? Humph, details.
by GRLion on Nov 5, 2009 2:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).
Zack Follett: he will hurt your mind.
by Hyperion Ecta on Nov 5, 2009 5:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm gonna go all sanguine as well
Ignore the other I, just me developing a computer stutter….apparantly.
2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).
Zack Follett: he will hurt your mind.
by Hyperion Ecta on Nov 5, 2009 5:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Like I said I am still long term optimistic about this team.
It just looks like 2009 may not be a big step forward in their level of play and record. Maybe that was a lot to expect, but as others have said we still have nine games to go.
by NorthLeft12 on Nov 3, 2009 6:04 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Really good post
I was guilty of being biased and after that loss I really realized it. I’m sure if we win against an unexpected team then I will be back there, but i’ll try not to. We are one of the if not the worst team in the NFL. I don’t see us even comming close to the playoffs (if it ever happens) for at least 2 to 3 years. And even for that to happen we have to draft players that aren’t busts and determining a bust is nearly imposssible. It’s a lot of luck along with intelligent decisions.
by ImPuLsE on Nov 2, 2009 5:18 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
We are all biased
That’s how fandom works. You can never trully be unbiased when it comes to your own team. However, the whole optimism thing is like a cycle. We are optimistic before games and realistic after them, when we lose. Plus, optimism is so much better than pessimism. Being a pessimist is so depressing, at least you can pretend things are better with optimism.
2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).
by Hyperion Ecta on Nov 2, 2009 7:14 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think everyone just need to have a Coke and a smile..
and start thinking about Seattle. Sunday is done and gone.

by JCruize on Nov 2, 2009 11:21 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'm enjoying one now...
2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).
by Hyperion Ecta on Nov 3, 2009 1:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs

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