2010 Draft
by beef99 on Nov 28, 2009 10:54 AM EST
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It is not about our biggest need, it is about the talent level the players have. I think Okung, Suh, or Berry could all come in and start right away, and you could probably throw McCoy in there too. I don’t see any d-ends worth a probable top 5 pick. However, I wouldn’t be surprised if they took one in the 2nd or 3rd rounds.
I think the draft will look like this.
1. Okung
2. DT/DE/CB
3. CB/S 4. DT/DE/CB/S 5. See:4.
I don’t think the draft is too deep with franchise LT’s like Okung, but there is depth at DT, CB, and S in the draft.
I could see us taking a DE like Brandon Graham if he is still on the board then. A lot of mock drafts have him going late in the first, but I think teams will overlook him because of his size, but he has a high motor, and will make big plays often.
If Perrish Cox is still there in the 3rd, then we should take him.
In the 4th, we should take a defensive position besides LB that we haven't drafted at yet. Same in the 5th.
After that, we should draft a kicker in the later rounds, and add some more depth/special teams players.
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i have been singing this one for a few now but yours is more or less the same just no names
has like 100 mock drafts on it http://walterfootball.com/draftdata.php
has a wrights up on all the players coming out where they should be drafted http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/p…kings/TSX/2010
Trade Sims for a 3rd
1st DT Ndamukong Suh Height 6-4 Weight 302
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/563145
2nd LT Jason Fox Height: 6-7 Weight: 314
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1116608
3rd DE Rahim Alem – H: 6-3 W: 262
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1116419
(if he is not there )DE C.J. Wilson Height: 6-3 Weight: 278
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1274059
3rd B CB Devin McCourty Height: 5-11 Weight: 185
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/563691
4th CB Akwasi Owusu-Ansah 6-1 205 (if he is there. Can return kicks and punts as well)
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1675324
(if he is not there )CB Brian Jackson Height: 6-1 Weight: 202
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/563876
5th C / OG Eric Olsen Height: 6-4 Weight: 305 (if he is there.. Have him play G till he can replace Raiola)
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1246097
6th ST player or a K/P
7th ST player or a K/P
If Suh is gone witch he likely will be
Trade Sims for a 3rd
1st LT Russell Okung Height: 6-6 Weight: 305
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1133637
2nd DT Jared Odrick Height: 6-5 Weight: 306
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1117620
3rd DE Rahim Alem – H: 6-3 W: 262
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1116419
(if he is not there )DE C.J. Wilson Height: 6-3 Weight: 278
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1274059
3rd B CB Devin McCourty Height: 5-11 Weight: 185
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/563691
4th CB Akwasi Owusu-Ansah 6-1 205 (if he is there. Can return kicks and punts as well)
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1675324
(if he is not there )CB Brian Jackson Height: 6-1 Weight: 202
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/563876
5th C / OG Eric Olsen Height: 6-4 Weight: 305 (if he is there.. Have him play G till he can replace Raiola)
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1246097
6th ST player or a K/P
7th ST player or a K/P
Just Remember matt... what would Daunte do??
Jared Odrick...
will not be there in the 2nd RD.
if the shoe fits...get another one just like it - George Carlin
i donno who then.. i dont want cody
he sound like a lazier version of big baby
Just Remember matt... what would Daunte do??
Odrick may very well be there in round 2.....don't speculate
I’d like to hear 5 good reasons why he will not be there in the 2nd round.
well with his play this season...
has jumped Odrick up to the 2nd best or 3rd best DT in the draft. Odrick was named First Team All Big Ten. And he is an All-American candidate as weel
if the shoe fits...get another one just like it - George Carlin
According to who?
Kiper?
I’ve seen the guy play. He is good. That does not mean he is better than Cody, McCoy, or even Marvin Austin. The last time 5 or more DTs were drafted in the first round was back in 2001…..it doesn’t happen very often.
Well Austin and McCoy are just Jr.'s..
until they declare. It is just speculation to say where they would be drafted. I still think Odrick will be drafted higher than Austin, Cody, or even Dan Williams. His versatility to play DE or DT in a 3-4. Is why he will be drafted in the 1st.
if the shoe fits...get another one just like it - George Carlin
Don't get me wrong.....
I think Odrick is a solid player…..however, I disagree that he is a first round prospect. If Austin and McCoy declare, it will be because they are projected as top 5 DTs in the draft. Odrick rounds out my top 6, and I say that there is only 1 DT worthy of a first round pick. However, that is just my opinion.
It is likely that Suh and McCoy will be drafted in the top 10 in McCoy declares. I think McCoy is a drastic reach in the top 10, let alone the first round, but the media attention he is getting will bolster his draft stock. Personally, I think Marvin Austin is a better prospect than Gerald McCoy, but maybe that is my anti University of Texas bias speaking. I firmly believe that Texas has a great TEAM, but they lack individual standout talent. Their individual players benefit from the coaching schemes and the talent level of the players around them, they do not stand out alone….case and point can be seen in Roy Williams and Cory Redding (and even Shaun Rogers in my opinion). They were great players at Texas, but now they are average run of the mill players in the pros. The same thing follows for many ex Florida State players……
That leaves us with a conundrum…..if Suh is gone when we pick, do we reach for McCoy (say at pick 4) or do we draft Okung? If DT is the focus at this point and not the BPA, then our choices are:
1) McCoy (if he declares)
2) Arthur Jones (Syracuse….Big East….not my favorite conference by far)
3) Terrence Cody
4) Marvin Austin (if he declares….the guy is pretty explosive)
5) D’Anthony Smith (Louisiana Tech….supposedly has all of the intangibles and is versatile)
6) Jared Odrick
7) Dan Williams
Believe it or not, these guys already have projections placed on them as to where they could be drafted. Jones, McCoy, Cody, and Austin all project in the first round along with Suh. Odrick projects in the middle of the 2nd round, Smith in the late 2nd, and Williams not until the 4th or later.
If we are sold on taking a DT with our first pick, if Suh is gone and we do not trade down, I do not see ANY DT left who warrants a top 5 pick. At that point it gets even more ugly if we are not looking at LT. Then we start looking at safties…..Berry or Mays? Both are highly touted and projected in the top 5 or 10. Personally I see them ranked as middle of the first round talent. I think it is a reach to draft either one of those two in the top 5. However, I do believe that Berry will go in the top 5 because of the media attention he gets. I just hope we aren’t the team that drafts him, or if we are I hope he proves me wrong like Stafford did.
In conclusion, my opinion is that it has to either be Suh or Okung. If Suh is gone, and we can not or will not trade down, then Okung is the only player that I see as worthy of a top 5 pick. How the Lion’s GM and coaching staff sees it could be entirely different, but that is my opinion.
I agree with what you say about what the Lions should draft..
Suh. But if he is gone. Which he most likely will be. Than it has to be Okung. Personally I prefer Okung over Suh. My reasonning is that there are more DT’s in this drafts than LT’s.
But way are you getting your info on draft projection? I have seen on numerous mock drafts. That Ordick is the third DT taken. Before Williams, Austin and Cody.
if the shoe fits...get another one just like it - George Carlin
I was getting info from Scout Inc......
But I am starting to question any info that is out there this early…..
yeah me too.
With about 5 months until April. There will be alot of changes on everyone’s big board.
if the shoe fits...get another one just like it - George Carlin
The Bowl Season...
Five Meeeeeee…aaaaltdowns…. Four Arrests… Three Injuries… Two Domestic Disputes….. And It’s WAAAAAY too early to talk about thiiiiiiiis! GO LIONS!
Yeah.....my bad
I have been getting McCoy and Suh mixed up a lot lately…..thinking Suh was from Oklahoma and McCoy from Texas (don’t know where that came from). Suh plays for Nebraska and McCoy for Oklahoma. Makes my argument rather idiotic though…..LOL.
TCLion watched the OK vs OK ST game…..he said that Okung looked like he was standing around a lot when he should have been making a block down field. He also said that McCoy never got anywhere against the Oklahoma offensive line. However, he did say that McCoy was double teamed all day long. That might not be such a bad pick after all. Like I said before though, I have seen him play earlier this season (it was against Texas, so maybe that is where my confusion came from). He was not very impressive. What I saw was a guy who got stood up a lot. He did manage a sack against Texas, but only 3 tackles in an otherwise forgettable performance. He has 3 sacks on the season…..one against Texas, one against Texas tech, and one against Baylor….and only 29 tackles. I am not sure why people say he is a top 10 pick.
yea i think Suh is the only one worth that high of a pick.
If he’s not there i say we go elsewhere besides DT. I just know there are a ton of amazing DT and Safety talent in this years draft along with other positions. This is the kind of draft where we can get quality starters from every pick. I trust the talent evaluation of the current staff based on how good they did last year. I think we solidify our team with this draft. We could come away with 4-5 new starters and the rest a bunch of solid backup players that will contribute to this teams depth and overall increase in talent.
I agree with KDawg on Odrick, JC
There are a bunch of DTs around his size/talent/value like Arthur Jones of Syracuse, Brian Price of UCLA, Mike Neal of Purdue, Marvin Austin of North Carolina, and another guy from Miami, Allen Bailey who is being touted by Walterfootball.com .
Link: http://www.walterfootball.com/draft2010DT.php
We will see how things shake out in the bowl games, who declares, and how their combines go. Don’t get me wrong, Odrick looks to be a good fit for what I think Detroit needs next to the Big Sammie. But as many have told me on this site, the Lions want monster DTs in the middle, not undersized punks like McCoy and Odrick. Go figure.
I think they should focus less on size and more on who can collapse the pocket best
You can be a gigantic waste of space and never put pressure on the QB. In that case you are nothing more than an overpaid plug. I think the Lions main problem on defense is their pass rush. When we can’t get a single sack by a defensive lineman against the worst pass blocking offensive line in the league (Green Bay), that should send up red flags all over the place.
I agree KDawg....
That’s why I have been boosting McCoy as from what I have read, that is his main strength;pass rushing and penetrating the line.
I do not agree with having two huge DTs that just take up space.
Ditto
It is all well and good in concept, but in reality it is not. They need a guy like Hill who will draw the double team, and then a guy like McCoy, Austin, or Suh to collapse the pocket.
Monster DT's...
there is like only three I can think of that are over the 320lb mark. I personally think the Gun’s comments were more of tongue and cheek. I mean what DC would not want two monster DT’s in the middle.
if the shoe fits...get another one just like it - George Carlin
We did it before here in Detroit
Big Daddy and big Baby. It stopped the run well (that’s the last time a Lions team was anywhere near good at stopping the run). It also put pressure on the pocket. Sean Rogers even was able to get some sacks.
We’re trying to do it right now….Sammie Lee Hill and Grady Jackson are our starters. Sammie’s the “light one” at 330 lbs. We even tried Shaun Smith (the 330 lb DE/DT from the Browns) for a bit. Sammie’s got some nice quickness for his size. The coaches think highly of him, and put him in there as a starter right away and let him learn. Be patient and give the coaches time to teach SLH some pass-rush techniques and hand placement…..like Stafford, SLH is still a rookie. The coaches think he has potential. SLH could fill the Sean Rogers role as an oversized undertackle that can stop the run, draw double-teams, collapse the pocket with his bull-rush, and maybe find some holes too occasionally. We just need to find another huge strong DT to put alongside him.
Sammie Lee Hill is a mismatch waiting to happen. We’ve been patient with Stafford while he’s been learning (well, most of us, lol), and it’s starting to pay off in terms of visible improvement. Most of us (especially me) were patient with Pettigrew, and it was starting to pay off as well. We were patient with Levy, and he’s gotten a chance to play and has done well. We were patient with Delmas when he was hurt in the preseason, and he’s done well. Aaron Brown has shown great potential, and I expect us to be patient with him. All I ask is the same consideration and patience for Sammie Lee Hill that we’ve shown for the other rookies. SLH won a starting DT job despite having raw skills coming out of Stlllman College. He’s shown significant improvement since then. SLH can be a key piece of a key part of our defense. We have a great need for a DT that can stop the run, collapse the pocket, and put pressure on the QB. Sammie Lee Hill can fill that need, but we have to be patient.
Matt Stafford would agree.
What? He can’t block a dead gopher? Humph, details.
I am on Sammie's bangwagon...without a doubt
It is just in this draft. The 320lb monster that everyone thinks the Lions need. Might be more like the 300 pounder. But there are DT’s that do have the frame. To put on the extra weight.
I think it was you GR that put up Haynesworth college weight on another post. Some of these guys can add 20 to 30 pounds given time.
if the shoe fits...get another one just like it - George Carlin
yep, it was me
Haynesworth has gone from 320 to 350. Suh has low body fat, is 6-4, 305 and seems to have the frame to add 15-20 lbs. I hope there’s more guys like that out there like that. I’m not sure yet, and not sure who. I’ll keep looking.
What? He can’t block a dead gopher? Humph, details.
Shaun Rogers is a special case.
He was a big guy who was a great athlete and could penetrate the line. Guys like him come around every four years or so. Haynesworth is in that mold. Kevin Williams of Minnesota is not. He is 310 and strong and quick, not a monster. Not too many other really big guys who can penetrate and collapse the pocket.
Vince Oghobaase, DT, Duke 6,6 300
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/564835
how he sound??? he seem like he would be vary hit or miss but if we hit we will have 2 sick ass DT
Just Remember matt... what would Daunte do??
NC and NC St are playing right now.....
Unless that game is over. Last I heard Austin was shredding the Gamecock defense.
And you're right.....he may not declare
But I doubt he will increase his draft stock any more than it is right now…..if he were smart he would declare. He could be a low first or high second rounder.
we gotta face the facts....
no matter what the Lions draft on either line. It will be a big improvement. I do like Austin also.
if the shoe fits...get another one just like it - George Carlin
Too small..............only 305 pounds.
Maybe he could have Thanksgiving every other day to get him up to Lions DT weight.
+1
I’ll put the bar at 320 lb, with strength. Guys below that can make the cut if they show great strength for their size and a willingness to bulk up to 320+ (hopefully some of that in muscle). Keep an eye on some of the stronger guys in the 310-319 range, especially if they currently have low body fat. Of the 300-309 guys, the most obvious candidate to be able to bulk up to 320+ is Suh, who is ripped at 6-4, 305 and very low body fat. He’s also immensely strong already for his size. That’s why I list Suh as a possibility, but not the weaker Gerald McCoy, who doesn’t rely on strength as the main part of his game.
I’m trying to compile a list of super strong DT’s who are 320+, 310-319, and even 300-309. As we get closer to the Combine and Pro Days this should be easier. One concern is the relative lack of 320+ seniors….fewer than I thought.
http://ten.scout.com/a.z?s=120&p=9&c=12&yr=2010&nid=83&lnid=124&rc=4&pid=22
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/TSX/2010_DT
I had read recently that the SEC had lots of huge DT’s, but haven’t yet tried to quantify this. I hope they’re Juniors.
If I can’t dig up more super strong DT prospects from the underclassmen, and in the 310-319 and 300-309 ranges for seniors, maybe the DT pool isn’t as deep as we thought for the kind of HUGE DT’s that fit our system. We may have to consider trading up into the late 1st Round (if necessary) for Terrence Cody, unless we’ve got another Sammie Lee Hill type sleeper laying in the weeds.
What? He can’t block a dead gopher? Humph, details.
sounds pretty good
Good strength, needs work on technique…….that can be taught. Can bull-rush and stack the line against the run. Best of all, he’s tall and lean at 6-6, 300 AND strong…..we could probably bulk him up to 320, teach him how to use his hands. He could be a real diamond in the rough.
What? He can’t block a dead gopher? Humph, details.
I am seeing a ton of...
Lofty hopes in these mock drafts…I would love CJ Wilson…but I have a hard time believe he will be there in the 3rd…even the beginning. Unless he tanks the combine, he will be one of the first 5 DEs taken, and people snap DEs up like hotcakes.
http://cmufootball.blogspot.com/
I know we will never get him
Just watching Stanford and Toby Gerhart is a straight up BEAST
If a team takes him and makes him a fullback I wll puke..
http://cmufootball.blogspot.com/
by CapitolLions on Nov 29, 2009 9:04 AM EST up reply actions
+1
Very good back with power, good fit in a downhill blocking scheme.
What? He can’t block a dead gopher? Humph, details.
He's another Tommy Vardell
Who played for the Lions pre-Schlesinger years. I don’t see him as a 25 carry NFL back. The NFL is just way too fast. The holes will close much faster at the pro level.
I spray paint my dog Honolulu Blue and Silver
Pic - me vs. Bears fans
by NYCLionsfan on Nov 29, 2009 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
NYC...
You act like he is FB speed…he isn’t. I hate to say this, but if he weren’t white this wouldn’t be a discussion.
He has power, balance, vision and toughness. His speed is comparible to Brandon Jacobs, Lendell White, Marion Barber, Bennie Wells, Ledell Betts, Fred Taylor and Kevin Smith ect…I mentioned balance and vision because regardless of what people say those are the MOST important things a RB in the NFL needs….No Doubt
This guy is legit and I hope he gets a chance to rise above the stereo-type….
And If I hear another person compare Jordan Shipley to Wes Welker I am going to puke. Shiply is bigger and faster than Welker. The only things they have that are comparable is skin color, hands and acceleration…
Jordan Shipley is more like Joey Galloway coming out of college than anyone else….
http://cmufootball.blogspot.com/
by CapitolLions on Nov 30, 2009 4:02 PM EST up reply actions
LT
I like the idea of drafting a LT but we need to try our current LT at guard to see if it will work. We aren’t going anywhere this year so we need to think of the future.
I like the logic
2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).
Zack Follett: he will hurt your mind.
draft
if we trade ernie sims which we should we need to get a late 2nd round or early 3rd round because the depth in this draft for DT and CB are good enough for the lions to draft later and pick Okung in the first round.
Here is some info from Pro Football Weekly on the O Linemen
LInk: http://profootballweekly.com/2009/11/27/oklahomans-vie-for-top-o-line-spot
Not saying I agree with this, just offerring it as more data/opinion.
That is ugly NL.....
I don’t like it. It may be a good thing that Detroit (and a lot of others around the league) think that Backus is a “rock”. It is starting to sound like it might be a better idea to wait to the 2nd or third round if we plan on taking an OT or OG.
In which case.....
We will likely be looking at DT/S/CB in the top 5. If Suh is gone, it bothers me to say that we may lean toward drafting Eric Berry in the top 5 (I disagree that he will end up being as good as Ed Reed). Still, I think he may be the BPA when we pick as I do not see McCoy or Haden as top 5 talent either. I believe we could get a solid DT in round 2, and a solid G in round 3, so it could come down to who the Lions like more: Berry or Haden (if he declares).
Agree, I am starting to like Iupati in the second round more and more.
A guy who can step in and play Left Guard from day one, and possibly be converted to a Left Tackle in a couple of years? Sounds like a match made in heaven for the Lions. I was thinking that Anthony Davis could be used that way but if the description of his character issues is accurate I don’t see the Lions touching him with a ten foot pole.
I like Dan Doering from Iowa.....
Check him out sometime…..
Iupati, at 6’5"-6’6" 325-330 lbs, is an Outland Trophy finalist at guard…..I wonder when the last time was when a guard won the Outland Trophy? Very impressive, even though he is projected as low as the 5th. I like him too, because he is long, lean, and mean. He blocks well in space and is good at pulling. If he can pass block too, he may be an excellent prospect, especially if he can convert to tackle in the future. One thing we have to remember though is that his competition has been mainly WAC opponents, which is likely why he projects as a 5th rounder.
Conflicting projections.....
One place projects Iupati in the 5th round, and the next says round 1 or 2. If he wins the Outland Trophy or is runner up, he may not be there in round 2.
just the Lions luck..
in a good spot to finally get a franchise LT. And it seems that the pool is very swallow. Lets hope that someone emerges from that group as a true prospect.
if the shoe fits...get another one just like it - George Carlin
Crossing my fingers, hoping Iupati drops to the 2nd Round
He’s got the size, strength, and agility. He’s got some good skills and can be learn what he needs to know at LT if we are patient with him during his rookie year (if we start him there initially rather than at LG). He’s another dancing bear from the state of Idaho, like Ryan Clady (I really liked Clady at the time…..too bad we didn’t trade up to get him). I’d be happy to get him at the top of the 2nd Round.
What? He can’t block a dead gopher? Humph, details.
i remember that I also wanted...
Clady. True to be known. I prefered Jeff Otah over Godser.
if the shoe fits...get another one just like it - George Carlin
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