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Hackerz 2010 NFL Rough Mock Draft

 

#1 Tampa Bay Buccaneers  Ndamukong Suh     DT    Nebraska

With a defense that bad They need to start up front.

 

#2 St. Louis Rams Sam Bradford  QB Oklahoma

Belive it or not he's coming into a good situation.  Has a top 3 RB, (questionable) franchise LT and now all they need to do is find a WR in the 2 round and that offense is on there way.  Defense on the other hand..??

 

#3 Oakland Raiders Gerald McCoy DT Oklahoma

This is the best move for this team, stop the run and run the ball.  Thrown as little as possible especially when your your QB only completes 35% or his passes.

 

#4 Cleveland Browns  Dez Bryant WR Oklahoma State

The Browns desperately need a play maker on offense.

 

#5 Detroit Lions Russell Okung LT Oklahoma State

Finally!!!  Good bye Jeff "false start" Backus, oh and Okung is really really good too.

 

#6 Kansas City Chiefs Eric Berry S  Tennessee

Cant go wrong with Berry he's a great player.

 

#7 Washington Redskins  Jake Locker QB  Washington

Snyder will want big big changes to his franchise and Locker has all the tool's to be a special QB in the NFL.

 

#8 Seattle Seahawks  Trent Williams OT Oklahoma

Solid player who can play LT or RT on a theam that desperately needs some OL help.  Oh and they need a RB and a QB how can play all 16 games.....

 

#9 Tennessee Titans Terrence Cody DT Alabama

A junior college to division 1, he's gotta be pretty good to start on Sabin's squad.  He's a 365lb monster.

 

#10 Buffalo / Toronto Bills Brandon Lafell WR LSU

Maybe they keep T.O. around for a couple more years so he can mentor Lafell , there very similar players.

 

#11 Miami Dolphins  Arrelious Benn WR Illinois

Chad Henne needs someone to throw it to, Ginn is more of a #2 or #3 WR but a very special WR/KR.  Waych put for this team next season...

 

#12 San Fransisco 49's ( from Carolina )   Jimmy Clausen QB Notre Dame

Clausen is the most gifted passer of this years draft, he makes throws that the others cant.  Good situation to have him in with Crabtree, Davis, Gore and Coffee.  Dont get any better than that for a rookie.

 

#13 Jacksonville Jaguars Taylor Mays S USC

Jaguars fan base needs a reason to go see there team bc winning aparently isnt enough anymore, so Taylor Mays is the guy WR's better keep there heads low because he's gonna crush some diva's.

 

# 14 Green Bay Packers C.J. Spiller RB Clemson

Play making RB that Green Bay has needed for a while.

 

# 15 Dallas Cowboys Joe Haden CB Florida

Grab the best CB on the board not too bad.

 

#16 San Fransisco   Brandon Graham DE/OLB    Michigan

Great player on a bad Michigan team, his motor never stops and he's gonna be good for a long time.

 

#17 San Diego Chargers Sean Weatherspoon  OLB  Missiouri

Great player that always seems to make things happen, hopefully he can pick up Merriman's slack.  Hasnt been the same since he stopped the "juice".

 

#18 New York Giants Sergio Kindle OLB/DE Texas

why not?

 

#19 Denver Broncos ( from Chicago ) Colt McCoy QB Texas

Another great sistuation for a rookie QB..

 

#20 Houston Texans Carlos Dunlap DE Florida

Finally in the top half of the league, now lets work on that defense.  How about another huge and fast QB night mare? OK!

 

#21 New York Jets Javid Best RB/WR California

Sanchise gets another amazing weapon to play with, think of him as kinda like Percy Harvin.

 

#22 Cincinnati Bengals Johnathan Dwyer RB Georgia Tech

Benson Decided to play because his contract is up but why buy a Jeep When you can have Corvette???

 

#23 Denver Broncos Renaldo McClain ILB Alabama

Help's that Defense a ton.


#24 Baltimore Ravens Jermaine Gresham  TE  Oklahoma

Smart Pick for this team, they lack a target on offense and he is a complete TE like Brandon Pettagrew last year.  Exspect big things from this guy.

 

#25 Atlanta Falcons Patrick Robinson CB Florida State

Another peice to there puzzle.

 

#26 Arizona Cardnials Aurthur Jones DT Syaracuse

 Im suprised he did'nt go sooner, but they get a good DT to help with that solid run defense.

 

#27 New England Patriots Greg Hardy DE Ole MIss

Some say he's a top 10 pick so maybe he's a steal, maybe he's injury prone.  At 27 he's worth the risk.

 

 

#28 Philidalphia Eagles Brandon Spikes ILB  Florida 

Hopefully he can help there run defense, but that offense is sick!


 

 

#29 Indianapolis Colts Brian Bulaga OT Iowa

Hopefully he can keep Manning upright.

 


# 30 Minnesota Vikings Jevan Snead QB  Ole Mis

Damn!  Anther great place for a rookie to come into and leard from the best!  I said it doesnt get any better than this with Jimmy Clausen but I was dead wrong...  Come in and Learn from Farve for a year!  Man this kid has it made.

 

# 31 Pittsburgh Steelers Jason Pierre-Paul DE South Florida

Kid's got a ton of potential.

 

# 32 New Orleans Saints  Ricky Sapp DE Clemson

blah blah blah..

 

 

 

Guys Give me a break, belive it or not this took like 4hrs and about 10 other mocks to get this right...

This is my projection, and belive me I put a lot, a lot of thought into these.....   Thanks for all your comments guys!

This is so much harder and time consuming then it looks..

This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Pride of Detroit or its writers. FanPosts are valued expressions of opinion by passionate and knowledgeable fans.

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One sort of major nitpick......

You have Terrance Cody going at #9 to the Titans and at #32 to New Orleans.

I know the guy is big, but not big enough to take up two draft spots. LOL

by NorthLeft12 on Nov 3, 2009 7:34 AM EST reply actions  

What I like most

is that the Lions are all the way down to #5

Judging by the Rams game on Sunday, we’ll be stuck a lot higher than that, come April.

by n4ry4 on Nov 3, 2009 7:34 AM EST reply actions  

Yeah, I was just going to ask what ranking was used?

Is this your own projection HB? I agree with n4ry4, if we don’t beat Cleveland we could be up to #2 or #3.

by NorthLeft12 on Nov 3, 2009 7:38 AM EST up reply actions  

yea i thing 5 is a little much more like 2

sadley i think we might get 1st aghen

and the browns wont go WR imo

Just Remember matt... what would Daunte do??

by det32 on Nov 3, 2009 9:04 AM EST reply actions  

The Raiders pick

won’t be anything that makes any sense! So I disagree with the pick you gave them….makes too much sense……

by vanman on Nov 3, 2009 10:08 AM EST reply actions  

Lions at #5 is awfully generous

I like the pick but I think we’re gonna be in the top 3

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by NYCLionsfan on Nov 3, 2009 10:38 AM EST reply actions  

lions get the 3rd pick. and take

Berry or suh which ever 1 is there. If we draft offense again this organization continues to shoot itself in the foot. NOONE TO BLAME BUT OWNERSHIP AND MILLEN

by Waitingfortheroar on Nov 3, 2009 11:40 AM EST reply actions  

I agree. Take Berry if available...

Look at the Saints from last year. 8-8 with no DBs…this year they’ve got Greer and Sharper and they are like a completely different team. Sure the Offense is still great, but that doesn’t win games!

A stout D would have beaten the Rams last Sunday!!!! C’mon go D all the way this draft!!!

Just livin' the dream...

by Brefstink on Nov 3, 2009 12:36 PM EST up reply actions  

I am so against Berry.

I love him as a player, like unhealthy love but the Pettigrew pick and Delmas pick basically force us to take lineman. 2 basically 1st round picks in two years on the secondary is not smart. We have our QB we need to protect him, on D we have our LB’s we need to protect them. If Mayhew takes Berry over Suh, McCoy, or Okung I will be upset.

If they had their choice I think it would be DT, look at the Titans defense with Haynesworth and without. Schwartz knows first hand the presence a good DT can have. Maybe we can get Shaun Rogers…

by doctorjcmu on Nov 3, 2009 5:57 PM EST up reply actions  

I disagree

If Berry is the best player, go for it. We need 2 safeties on the field on defense, and who besides Delmas has long-term upside for the Lions right now?

I agree that we have a lot of holes, but just because you don’t pick for a position in the first-round doesn’t mean you’re not addressing that position.

It’s easy to be so used to Millen picks where anybody in rounds 2-7 was a waste of a pick (in addition to many of our first-rounders). But we have a coaching staff and front office who can find guys to start and play well for us in the middle rounds (Look at DeAndre Levy and Sammie Hill—lots of potential there), even if we pick the best guy available in the first round and he happens to be a safety.

by n4ry4 on Nov 5, 2009 1:46 PM EST up reply actions  

Berry was a QB in HS

And he was a natural corner at Tennessee until 2007 when he moved to strong safety. He is most definitely versatile and very athletic…..however he makes plays based on his athletic ability and not on a bonified skill set. I think of him as a player on the talent level of Charles Woodson (as I said somewhere here or on another thread)…..Woodson was a reach at pick 4, and he has only been good in 5 years of his 12 year career. Otherwise he has been average or above average, but not good enough to make the pro bowl. I think Berry is a reach in the top five for much the same reason. He may be the best safety in the nation, but he is more athletic than skilled. If we can get a true blue chip LT or DT…..I think it would be a mistake to reach for Berry.

by KDawg on Nov 5, 2009 5:44 PM EST up reply actions  

Have to get some DBs

The Lions DBs make the average QB look like an all pro. I would love to get a replacement for Sackus but I think the first order of buisiness is to get some pass coverage.

by Lead Hunter on Nov 3, 2009 1:22 PM EST reply actions  

Hey Guys LOL

I agree about CB’s, they should never go in the top 10. Guys it really is a guessing game, i just hope my projection if fair to everyone. I agree so much that we need defense but when we have the chance to take a true #1 LT we gotta take em fellas..

by HackerBlitz82 on Nov 3, 2009 6:00 PM EST reply actions  

I think so too.....

But I thought that last year……If they don’t draft Curry, it has to be a LT……lol. We got Stafford though, which has turned out pretty good so far in my opinion.

by KDawg on Nov 3, 2009 6:01 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't think CB's are forbidden from the top 10

If a prospect is clearly one of the best in the class and looks to be an Aso-type player, I’d take him in the top 10…CB’s are very useful you know.

2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).

by Hyperion Ecta on Nov 3, 2009 6:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Have to admit, I have done no research on the 2010 draft.

I guess I am just going on what I am seeing from the team this year on the field. We have some needs in many areas of the team, without stating the obvious. I just think the defensive backfield is one of our glaring needs.
Don’t get me wrong, if the best DB on the board is not worthy of a top 10 pick, and you can geta stud LT, you have to take the LT. I would be just as happy if Schwartzs plan was to address the backfield via free agency and draft OL and DL. Like I said, I haven’t done any research on the draft, its still to early for me to start on that subject.

by Lead Hunter on Nov 3, 2009 7:39 PM EST up reply actions  

I have serious doubt that there are any college CBs that are worth a top 10 pick this year

Vontae Davis and Malcolm Jenkins were (and are) pretty solid corners in college…..and not even they were drafted in the top 10 (Jenkins at pick 14 and Davis at pick 25). I would be ultimately shocked and disappointed if the Lions passed on a blue chip LT by trading down to take a cornerback like Joe Haden for instance. Imagine if we had the 5th pick and Okung was still available, but instead we traded down, with the Cowboys (for example), to pick 15 to take Haden and pick up the Cowboys (for example) 3rd rounder or something. That would not make any sense to me…..even though it would give us pick 5 and 15 in the 3rd round. If you ask me, you have to take the same approach at LT as you do with a franchise QB…..if he is there, you can not pass him up.

by KDawg on Nov 3, 2009 7:58 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with you about the CBs

There should be a bunch of them available when the Lions pick early in the second or even early in the third.
If the Lions traded down to later in the first round and pick up a second rounder too, there are a number of possible LTs; Bruce Campbell, Charles Brown, Anthony Davis, and Jason Fox that may be available later in the first or maybe early in the second.

I like the Lions chances to trade down in 2010. With the number of teams desperate for a QB, that could work to their advantage.

by NorthLeft12 on Nov 3, 2009 10:06 PM EST up reply actions  

Agreed

Early second seems like a good place to pick up a Corner.

2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).

by Hyperion Ecta on Nov 4, 2009 12:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Do you think it is feasible.....

that they could trade down from pick 5 (for example) to pick 15 (for example) and also get the 15th pick in the 2nd round (for example)? I do not see even the Cowboys doing that. What I was saying is that it is unlikely that the Lions will trade down from pick 5 (for example) if a blue chip LT or DT is available at that pick, If they do, meaning the have decided to take a lesser player (perhaps a CB), then I do not see them getting more than an extra 3rd rounder out of the deal.

by KDawg on Nov 4, 2009 2:36 PM EST up reply actions  

According to the draft value chart the # 5 is worth # 15, # 47, and # 79
  1. 5 = 1700
  2. = 1050 + #47 = 430 + #79 = 195 Total = 1675

I know all teams do not follow the value chart to the letter, but only getting a third for trading down ten spots is a rip off. Lions should not do this. I know you will save money, but really there would be a big difference in quality of player. Theoretically.

by NorthLeft12 on Nov 4, 2009 3:12 PM EST up reply actions  

I see your point.....

I’m just saying I doubt the Lions will find someone who is willing to part with a 2nd and 3rd rounder to trade up 10 spots.

by KDawg on Nov 4, 2009 3:17 PM EST up reply actions  

A top 5 draft pick

is nearly impossible to trade under the current CBA.

by rbanner on Nov 4, 2009 8:11 PM EST up reply actions  

Why is that, rbanner?

I have heard this said before by others, but do you know why exactly that is?

by NorthLeft12 on Nov 5, 2009 8:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Cleveland just traded from #5 last year to the Jets

They needed a QB, so they bundled a first-, second-, and a bunch of players to get Sanchez.

Lots of teams need QB’s. This draft may produce several good QB’s. The Lions obviously won’t take one. I don’t think it’s out of the question.

by n4ry4 on Nov 5, 2009 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

^ I don’t think it’s out of the question that we could trade down from #4 or #5 that is.

by n4ry4 on Nov 5, 2009 1:52 PM EST up reply actions  

there are teams that need qb's this year

browns, rams, panthers, bucs, vikings (really maybe one more year of the favre legend) and they can’t depend on tjack obviously, raiders, bills…all of whom will be looking at qb…all up pretty good in the draft outside of the vikings…so we could drop 3-4 spots real easy & pick up some picks while we’re at it

by londonlion on Nov 5, 2009 3:41 PM EST up reply actions  

That's what I'm hoping for

It’s so easy to get caught up in the top-5 talent guys at the top, that it’s easy to forget that picking up that extra 2nd- or 3rd-rounder, with a competent staff (which we finally have) means another starter on the field and another hole we don’t have to fill.

by n4ry4 on Nov 5, 2009 3:50 PM EST up reply actions  

With all the holes we have, I’d rather have the #9 overall pick and three picks in rounds 2-3 than the #4 overall pick and only two picks in rounds 2-3

Trade down, fill more holes

by n4ry4 on Nov 5, 2009 3:53 PM EST up reply actions  

and i think there will be takers this year too

vs last year with no real #1…not that there is this year either…but there are enough suitors that a run can happen on the qb position fast…if a team wants one of them…they’d be wise to be in the top five. i’d almost bet that three or four go in the top 10.

by londonlion on Nov 5, 2009 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't disagree with you.

Need to find a team/owner/GM/Coach who are borderline insane and/or desperate.

The Giants gave up a #4 [P. Rivers], a #69 [N. Kaeding K], and a 2005 first rounder [Shawn Merriman at #12] for Eli Manning [#1] in 2004.
The Giants management is one of the best in football. Go figure. I feel like they overpaid but they did win a Super Bowl.

There are other examples, but rbanner may be correct that the latest CBA may make it more difficult to do these deals.

by NorthLeft12 on Nov 5, 2009 7:57 AM EST up reply actions  

i think maybe because it requires soo much out of the rookie cap space

not sure what the figure is…but lets say under the current cba a team can only spend $15M on their rookie class…a top five pick is going to take half of that easily…for some teams a la New England, they find better use of that money to draft multiple players rather than one.

by londonlion on Nov 5, 2009 9:13 AM EST up reply actions  

I understand that the rookie cap space is different for each team.

It depends on how many picks and what position they are. It is calculated after the draft is complete.

I totally agree that higher picks consume the biggest chunk of that money and will restrict the available money for other players, but to me it all comes down to the risk of paying out the big bucks to a rookie or FA veteran. There are numerous examples of FA veterans who completely tank once they get a big contract. Is that any different than the high draft pick who busts?

by NorthLeft12 on Nov 5, 2009 10:29 AM EST up reply actions  

i'd rather spend on a rookie than a vet

unless it is someone like hampton out of pittsburgh…

by londonlion on Nov 5, 2009 3:42 PM EST up reply actions  

That is the gist of it

It happens on occasion (the farther down you go, the easier) but it is usually too difficult because teams do not wnat the cap hit, rookie or otherwise. Trades are far easier after the top 5.

by rbanner on Nov 5, 2009 7:08 PM EST up reply actions  

That is the gist of what?

I asked why you said it is impossible to trade a top five pick because of the CBA. I still see no reason. Using that logic, no one would ever be able to afford a top five pick much less trade for one.

by NorthLeft12 on Nov 5, 2009 10:50 PM EST up reply actions  

Our first mock draft of this season

Well done!

2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).

by Hyperion Ecta on Nov 3, 2009 6:54 PM EST reply actions  

CB in top 10

First off thanks Hyperion Ecta : ) Now i would take a CB/S in the top 10 is he is like Eric Berry, hell is take him in the top 3 but he is a rare rare player.. Unless your looking at another Ed Reed or Charles Woodson or Neon Deion im not touching him. CB’s come and go in this league, if there not total game changers then im staying away…

by HackerBlitz82 on Nov 3, 2009 9:24 PM EST reply actions  

Oh, yeah, I agree

They have to be as close to sure-thing guys as possible. Otherwise, 15-25 is a prime spot for top CB prospects.

2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).

by Hyperion Ecta on Nov 4, 2009 12:28 AM EST up reply actions  

Eric Berry reminds me of Charles Woodson

And while Woodson is good, he is not (and never was) the best in the NFL…..and he was picked 4th by the Raiders in the 1998 draft. In hindsight, I am not really sure he deserved to be drafted that high (leave it to Al Davis to reach for a corner). In fact, I would venture so far as to say that there have been only a very select few cornerbacks EVER to play the game that deserved to be drafted in the top 5. In my opinion, Eric Berry is not one of them. The fact that he is “special” and looks like he has amazing potential means nothing. He makes plays more on his raw athleticism than he does on unbridled talent. He was a QB in HS…..

I can not argue that he will be a top 5 pick however…..based on the needs of a great deal of teams who need a corner of the Woodson variety of talent. I would not be upset if we somehow ended up with Eric Berry, but again I say he is a reach in the top 5. Games are won and lost in the trenches…..and a blue chip LT or DT would be a much better choice in the top 5 (where we will likely be picking).

by KDawg on Nov 4, 2009 2:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes

Woodson was a CB; Berry is a safety.

What? He can’t block a dead gopher? Humph, details.

by GRLion on Nov 5, 2009 3:16 PM EST up reply actions  

Berry was a corner.....

who moved to safety. And I was comparing him and Woodson more on a talent and athletic ability level than on position. Woodson, as a rookie, was very athletic, very versatile, and a Heisman trophy winner. Berry is very athletic, very versatile, and a Heisman trophy candidate. Two men of the same mold in my opinion. Woodson could have easily played safety…..he was just that good at corner and was not needed to play safety. He played WR too. Tennessee had other corners and needed a safety…..Berry fit the bill.

The bottom line of what I was trying to say is this…..Eric Berry makes plays based on his athletic ability and not on a bonified skill set. I think of him as a player on the talent level of Charles Woodson. Woodson was a reach at pick 4, and he has only been good in 5 years of his 12 year career. I also think Berry would be a reach in the top 5 (even though it is likely he will be picked there because he now plays safety). Lastly, if the Lions can get a true blue chip LT or DT in the top 5, I think they would be making a mistake by choosing Berry instead.

by KDawg on Nov 5, 2009 5:53 PM EST up reply actions  

you can't teach athletic ability though

you can teach and develop skill. i agree, i don’t want any pick in fact in the top five…but reality is we will likely sit hopefully fourth or fifth. in any event, i think the lions still draft bpa…that will be an okung or a berry…i like the prospect of a berry. and at the end of the day, i’d take a woods on right now back there with delmas…especially if the lions would be able to keep them together for the next ten yeras.

by londonlion on Nov 5, 2009 10:31 PM EST up reply actions  

From what I've seen and read.......

Berry has instincts and make plays. He’s got the tape and stats to back it up. IMO, it’s Taylor Mays who is skating by on his athletic ability.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ho0N4LPxbKM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gz6-BRlr9iw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpU4gIwnrgY

2007 SEC Defensive Player of the Year.
2008 SEC Defensive Player of the Year.

What? He can’t block a dead gopher? Humph, details.

by GRLion on Nov 11, 2009 7:23 AM EST up reply actions  

with all the teams in search of a qb

and the talent on the dline…i say he drops to 5-7 easily. i would personally love the pick…berry & delmas…shut down the middle & last line of defense for years to come. a milloy/harrison kind of scenario

by londonlion on Nov 5, 2009 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

+1

What? He can’t block a dead gopher? Humph, details.

by GRLion on Nov 5, 2009 3:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah

That would be great……if those guys were not the ones who were forced to make ALL of the tackles because of a lack of solid defensive linemen.

by KDawg on Nov 5, 2009 5:54 PM EST up reply actions  

maybe we see more of these fabled "coverage sacks"

and who’s to say mayhew and schwartz don’t get the “delmas pick” of a dlineman early in the second round? hell of a draft if you can do it two years running

by londonlion on Nov 5, 2009 10:34 PM EST up reply actions  

True....

But that kind of seems like hoping lightning will strike twice in the same place…..

by KDawg on Nov 6, 2009 8:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Here is a scouting report of Okung from Mocking The Draft

Link: http://www.mockingthedraft.com/2009/11/3/1113977/okung-solidifies-himself-as-top-10

This essentially repeats what every other draft prospect report I have seen on Okung. He has another big test against Oklahoma in a few weeks.

by NorthLeft12 on Nov 4, 2009 7:43 AM EST reply actions  

Really?

Week 8, huh? I think this is a little bit of premature e-mock-ulation.

I mean, the draft will not be here for 6 months and there are still 9 games left in the season. It’s fun and all… but mock drafting already??? You know how much is going to change draft-wise between now and April. It’s pretty futile to even guess.

IDK, maybe I’m in the minority here, but I don’t wanna start thinking about the draft yet.

by DrewsLions on Nov 4, 2009 1:02 PM EST reply actions  

It's never to early to think about the draft...

2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).

by Hyperion Ecta on Nov 4, 2009 6:20 PM EST up reply actions  

Considering the Lions will more than likely be drafting top 5

I would like to see that money put on either Suh or Carlos Dunlap.

by BtotheLT on Nov 4, 2009 5:12 PM EST reply actions  

okung

i no the lions defesne is horrible but the o-line is actually a bigger need because if they have a better offense, there defense will be better, and then in the second round look for someone like everson griffin from USC or Javier Arenas from Alabama.

by David7 on Nov 4, 2009 5:26 PM EST reply actions  

I don't know if the defence will be better

It just means they will be on the field less.

2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).

by Hyperion Ecta on Nov 4, 2009 6:21 PM EST up reply actions  

Everson Griffin is a good possibility if we don't reach

He could be a good fast pass-rushing DE in this system. Bit of an athletic freak. We like freaks, if they work cheap. we’re like the circus that way.

What? He can’t block a dead gopher? Humph, details.

by GRLion on Nov 5, 2009 3:20 PM EST up reply actions  

IMHO

Go with Berry for the first pick. You can usually still find a good LT in later rounds in the draft, but not so much for S and CBs.

by ABN_MI_fan on Nov 4, 2009 9:53 PM EST reply actions  

I disagree.

The 2010 draft class is being touted as one of the best safety classes ever. There are a bunch of CBs available too. Most of these guys are not first round material so will be there in the second and third rounds.

LTs that might start [according to what I have read] right off the bat are Okung, Campbell, Fox, Brown, and possibly Beluga and Davis. Trent Williams from everything I have read is being talked about as a Right Tackle only based on his performance this year as an LT. There are a bunch of other guys who are projects and will need a year or two before they would be trusted with the LT job.

by NorthLeft12 on Nov 5, 2009 8:13 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm more and more coming to conclusion that the Lions WON'T draft a LT in the 1st Round of the 2010 Draft.........

………maybe not in 2011 or 2012 either. So IMO, forget about Okung. Most likely, ain’t gonna happen.

It all comes back to Jeff Backus. He’s the 800-pound gorilla in the room. The difference is an 800-pound gorilla would make a nice run-blocker.

Backus is signed through 2012 for big money. The Lions are extremely unlikely to sign ANOTHER LT for 1st-Round money while Backus is still here. They’re also unlikely to pay Backus that kind of money to be a guard, especially since we don’t know if he can play well there or fit our blocking scheme. And they’re not going to cut Backus and take the cap hit.

So, depressing as it seems, the Lions are most likely to keep Backus through 2012, and not draft a 1st-Round LT until 2013…….maybe not a 2nd-Rounder either. They COULD go for a late-round project, however (like Lydon Murtha?…..wish we still had him). A bargain LT on a cheap 3-year rookie contract offsets the cost of keeping Backus around and would allow us to bench Backus and make it cost-effective.

We have lots of other needs. Whatever bandaid the Lions put on LT for the next 3 years will likely be a cheap one.

What? He can’t block a dead gopher? Humph, details.

by GRLion on Nov 5, 2009 3:34 PM EST reply actions  

i agree 100%

that conversation came up last year w/ gos & backus already under contract. i like a 2nd/3rd rd to go w/ guard…but otherwise i see the vast majority if not all picks going defense.

by londonlion on Nov 5, 2009 3:49 PM EST up reply actions  

Does anyone know exactly what the cap hit would be?

I’m not advocating that he be dumped no matter what but at some point if Lions management and coaches do not think he is doing the job you gotta make a move. Waiting until 2013 would be insane. If it means you have to use a second round pick on an LT, you do it. Jason Fox of Miami may be available very early in the second round or late in the first. There might be a few others depending on who comes out and who does not.

by NorthLeft12 on Nov 5, 2009 5:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Maybe we need to find a gem (haha!) later in the draft

Someone who can sit behind Jeff at first and then overtake him as his talents grow….it can happen?….Right?

2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).
Zack Follett: he will hurt your mind.

by Hyperion Ecta on Nov 5, 2009 5:38 PM EST up reply actions  

Actually...

at this moment, there is no cap 2010. Next offseason may be the time you see ALOT of players with bad/huge contracts getting dumped. Sure, they will still get paid what the equivelency of the cap hit is, but it won’t count against the cap itself.

by JazzyBBP on Nov 5, 2009 5:55 PM EST up reply actions  

You took the words right out of my mouth

They could dump Backus with no cap hit if a new CBA is not reached before next season. And if they can’t cut him (if a new CBA is reached) then they could move him down to LG and put a mauler next to him on the outside.

by KDawg on Nov 5, 2009 6:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Ah, forgot about the no cap hit implication of the uncapped year

I think you might be on to something. I hope they take advantage of this golden opportunity to dump Backus. Stay tuned. Still don’t think we can afford him as a guard though, if we’re paying big money to Gosder, Raiola, AND a new LT.

What? He can’t block a dead gopher? Humph, details.

by GRLion on Nov 6, 2009 2:10 AM EST up reply actions  

the cap will be back though

we are not washington or the raiders here…still need to be responsible…otherwise out of season cap hits will kill us from all the contract dumping…or excessive pick ups

by londonlion on Nov 6, 2009 7:18 AM EST up reply actions  

exactly my point

2010 would be a prime oppertunity for several teams to get rid of the overpaid/underachieving players eating up too much cap space without it hurting a salary cap that will return in the near future. It could be like a 1-year “get out of jail free” card. There may be dead salary on the books, but no dead cap money.

by JazzyBBP on Nov 6, 2009 11:05 AM EST up reply actions  

i didn't think of that

but don’t cap penalties last for the remainder of the contract for a player who is cut…ie. if backus was signed for four more years, don’t the line take a cap penalty for those remaining years if they simply cut him?

by londonlion on Nov 7, 2009 12:03 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm not positive

NFL player contracts are not guaranteed, just the signing bonuses and guaranteed money itself. I think to cut Backus in a capped year, the hit would be 1-yr base salary AND whatever remaining guaranteed money all at once. I could very easily be wrong and just misunderstanding the system, but I think thats how it would work out.

by JazzyBBP on Nov 7, 2009 1:11 AM EST up reply actions  

i'm gonna count on madden for this one

when i first started really getting into the franchise series…i really got myself into trouble dumping players left and right to build my team, always ending up with like $20M in cap penalties…i was always screwed by the third or fourth year…thats why i moved to starting with the fantasy drafts.

by londonlion on Nov 7, 2009 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

Fantasy cap games can be real fun

in basketball. Pick up some bench player when the starter goes down and the salary rises a couple million. Dump the guy when the starter gets back. All of the sudden, you can get LBJ and D Wade in the same backcourt…

by rbanner on Nov 8, 2009 9:38 AM EST up reply actions  

i like salary cap football too

but ya gotta be in on it every week…you can miss those backup gems

by londonlion on Nov 8, 2009 10:57 AM EST up reply actions  

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