Lions Place Demarcus Faggins on IR, Sign Jason David
by Sean Yuille on Nov 4, 2009 6:36 AM EST
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Cornerback Demarcus Faggins was placed on the injured reserve on Tuesday, bringing his season to an end. Faggins, who had worked his way into the cornerback rotation, was injured in the fourth quarter of Sunday's game against the Rams. I'm not exactly sure what he injured, but the severity of it was enough for the Lions to shut him down for the rest of the season.
To fill Faggins' spot on the roster, the Lions signed cornerback Jason David. David played the first few seasons of his career for the Colts before going to New Orleans for a couple seasons. He was waived by the Saints in August of this year, and the Lions will be the first team he has played for since then.
I hate to say this, but David will probably fit right in with the Lions' usually lackluster secondary. David has been known to give up big plays, something that really started in his first game with New Orleans, which actually was against his former team, the Colts.
In other roster news, the Lions signed running back Cedric Peerman to the practice squad last week and released Tristan Davis, who showed off his excellent speed in the final game of the 2009 preseason.
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This nickel back job is the Lions equivalent to being the drummer of Spinal Tap.
or for you younger folk, the Defence of the Dark Arts teacher at Hogwarts.
by NorthLeft12 on Nov 4, 2009 7:15 AM EST reply actions 3 recs
these go 2 11...
but, seriously Stumpy Joe Peeps rocks!
by LTownDown on Nov 4, 2009 9:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Ah!
I was a little lost until you gave the Dark Arts example. Touché.
by topherclosson on Nov 4, 2009 2:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
This nickel back job is the Lions equivalent to being the drummer of Spinal Tap.
NorthLeft, I think that’s the best post I’ve read in a long time.
by n4ry4 on Nov 4, 2009 2:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
lol....
Thankfully, they don’t spontaneously combust on the field.
2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).
by Hyperion Ecta on Nov 4, 2009 6:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
lmao rec'd
We didn't lose the games, we just ran out of time -- Bobby Layne
by detpistons3 on Nov 4, 2009 11:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
released tristan davis
what?!?!?!?!? are you kidding me?!?!?!? just when i was really looking forward to what further moves this team would make…secretly i was beginning to hope for a three headed monster in the backfield…smith/brown/davis…seriously, cedric peerman…there was a gem in davis…i hope he gets picked up & has a fantastic career outside of the nfc.
by londonlion on Nov 4, 2009 9:28 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Unbelievable......
Cedrick Peerman is better than Tristan Davis? I will never believe that until I see it…..and for now it just pisses me off.
by KDawg on Nov 4, 2009 2:05 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He came from the University of Virginia (ACC)
5’ 10" 216 lbs…..
Combine Results:
40 Yard Dash : 4.45 seconds
Bench Press : 27.0 reps
Vertical Jump : 40.0 inches
Broad Jump : 118.0 inches
3 Cone Drill : 7.35 seconds
20 Yard Shuttle : 4.29 seconds
He sounds strong and relatively fast……but is he faster and better than Tristan Davis? The FO and coaching staff must think he has more upside.
Willie Parker is the only other ACC back I can even think of that is in the league……
Peerman has a history of foot sprains and surgeries related……
He fumbled at the Senior Bowl…..and his small hands are a concern, even though he supposedly has soft hands out of the backfield…..
He projects as a change of pace back……nothing more and nothing less.
by KDawg on Nov 4, 2009 2:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It doesn't matter
What’s the difference what the Lions do??? Whatever it is, it backfires.
lucy
by lucy99 on Nov 4, 2009 3:57 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
That does explain the last…………….ummmmmmmm decade or so
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by NYCLionsfan on Nov 4, 2009 4:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
NOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!
Jason David flat out sucks! He’s the reason the Saints were 8-8 last year, and why they got Sharper and Greer.
They Lions have sunk to a new low…FUCK!!!
Just livin' the dream...
by Brefstink on Nov 4, 2009 10:07 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Hold on guys...
Saints fan here…
Guess who led the Saints in interceptions last year? You guessed it. Your new cornerback.
David’s problem was inconsistency…good games followed by bad games. But it wasn’t always his fault he gave up big plays. The real reason the Saints were 8-8, and 7-9 in ‘07, was Gary Gibbs, the Saints DC, and Josh Bullocks, our waste-of-space safety. I’ve never seen a worse football player in my life, David included. David was unfairly criticized on many plays where it was Bullocks responsibility to be over the top with safety help, which the play required, and Bullocks was too busy tackling his own players somewhere else on the field. To David’s credit, he never once complained, and took all the scrutiny like a man, never once blaming anyone else, when everyone on the team had to know how horrible Bullocks was. Bullocks gave one of our own players a concussion once!
If you guys play a cover 2, zone defense, he will be one of your better DB’s. He was miscast in the Saints man coverage scheme. I hope he does well for you guys.
by Hollywoo! on Nov 4, 2009 10:34 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well
Your comments dont seem to jive with the rest of the Saints fans comments from the link in the post below.
I saw a few games he played in, and he was always getting burned. I dont care if he takes it like a man, and doesn’t complain. I want playmakers!
Just livin' the dream...
by Brefstink on Nov 4, 2009 10:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he is good in zone coverage, not so much in man
i remember this comment/evaluation of him when he went to the saints…perhaps a situational player here for zone defense…perhaps we start seeing much more zone blitzing
by londonlion on Nov 4, 2009 11:00 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My point was that many times he was blamed in the media and by fans, and it wasn't his fault.
And he would have been justified in saying so, but he didn’t.
And I promise you, MANY Saints fans realize Josh Bullocks is the worst player we’ve ever seen. Don’t leave me hangin’, Saintsational!
by Hollywoo! on Nov 4, 2009 11:10 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Never mind the Bullocks
Here’s the Sex Pistols!
by rbanner on Nov 4, 2009 8:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Uh, Cover 2 was last year
If you guys play a cover 2, zone defense, he will be one of your better DB’s. He was miscast in the Saints man coverage scheme. I hope he does well for you guys.
Our corners play more man D now. Thanks for the good wishes Holly, but David doesn’t sound like a good fit here.
Hey, by the way, we’ve got safety Daniel Bullocks (Josh’s brother) here on IR. Would you like him? Then you can have a matched set.
What? He can’t block a dead gopher? Humph, details.
by GRLion on Nov 5, 2009 10:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
sorry, messed up the quote box again
What? He can’t block a dead gopher? Humph, details.
by GRLion on Nov 5, 2009 10:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Now, that said, is Jabari Greer a better CB?
Abso-freaking-lutely.
by Hollywoo! on Nov 4, 2009 11:14 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
May I just say...
Awesome profile pic.
2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).
by Hyperion Ecta on Nov 4, 2009 6:09 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hey it's not all about INT's
Leigh Bodden only had the one interception the entire 2008-09 season, and he’s the best cornerback in the league….
…according to Lee Bodden.
by Mushy on Nov 4, 2009 4:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
seems like a stand up guy...
He plays good zone coverage, and Hell he was the starting CB on a Championship team in 2006. I’ll take him this late in the season the way our CB’s have been playing.
by j16941 on Nov 4, 2009 9:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I remember Jason David
He seemed to play well when he was in Indy but he got burned quite a bit in NO although he seems to at least make some big plays (of course he gives them up too). I hope the guy plays like he did with the Cots not with the Saints
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Pic - me and the great Herman Moore
by NYCLionsfan on Nov 4, 2009 10:52 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
We already have a guy...
who gambles on making a big play and that is Delmas. We dont need another one, especially one that can’t hit like Delmas.
Just livin' the dream...
by Brefstink on Nov 4, 2009 1:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Did he sleep a lot when he played for the Cots?
LOL….:o)
by KDawg on Nov 4, 2009 2:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
HAHA!!!
That’s all I’m gonna say about the Jason David signing. Mature, I know.
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by Saintsational on Nov 4, 2009 11:02 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
is matt millen still secretly making decesions from behind the scenes
jason david is probably a really swell guy. but he certainly does produce td’s for the other team. his first game as a saint against the colts summed it up… he gave up three long td’s, but also had a strip, fum rec, and td. he netted -14 pts.
by DrewBreesManCrush on Nov 4, 2009 11:31 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
+1
Not sure about your man crush (LOL) but it seems with this guy is a high-risk/high-reward player, with more risk than reward unfortunately.
Millen’s ghost, it would seem, is still eerily around Ford Field……………..
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by NYCLionsfan on Nov 4, 2009 11:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Question for Lions fans...
how did Matt Millen get a job as an analyst? How does he still work on football?
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by Saintsational on Nov 4, 2009 4:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
you're asking the wrong crowd
most if not all of us feel that he has not only ruined our team for the near future…but now also ruins sundays as a whole in adding in his 1/2cents worth of commentary. i seriously question anyone who puts value in anything he has to say football related…after his ineptness at evaluating & bringing in talent to a team, what warrants him being able to talk about talent & football on a national stage? it makes me sick. i wish i had been in an interview side by side against him…i would love to earn that kind of money to talk football
by londonlion on Nov 4, 2009 4:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
+100000000000000000
What? He can’t block a dead gopher? Humph, details.
by GRLion on Nov 5, 2009 10:55 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It`s that Dandelion thing agian
Getting rid of Millen was just clipping off the head, the stuff under the surface is still here.
by lionsfan64 on Nov 4, 2009 12:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Exactly!
It’s time to kill everything, and re-sod the lawn. A patchwork lawn is green, sure, but it looks worse!
Just livin' the dream...
by Brefstink on Nov 4, 2009 12:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We're further along than that
We’ve killed everything and planted the seeds. A good lawn doesn’t grow in a day.
This season will be like watching grass grow. In fact, it’s depressingly fitting it is to describe the season that way.
by n4ry4 on Nov 4, 2009 2:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Calvin Johnson back at practice today...
no “limited” attached to the breaking news either!!!
by londonlion on Nov 4, 2009 12:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Now, that my friend, is good news
2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).
by Hyperion Ecta on Nov 4, 2009 6:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no doubt
i just hope it means we get to see him this weekend and its not more “he’s showing progress”
by londonlion on Nov 4, 2009 7:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I should just Copy what i said on CSC
But that would be lazy.
JD is pretty a one dimensional cover guy. He is actually pretty good when working in a cover 2 flat zone. This is where he was for pretty much every INT or otherwise positive play during his time with us. Like it was said before though, downfield coverage could get pretty bad. I will agree with Hollywoo though, Josh Bullocks was one of the worst safeties ive seen in a while. Add in Gary Gibbs totally inept defensive schemes…and we’ve got one side of the field that may as well not have coverage people on it.
I thought once Gregg Williams had some time with him he would improve, but we cut him in the preseason. I would blame this mostly on Gregg Williams needing versatile defenders.
Keep him in the flats…and yall will have a pretty good corner on your team. May the Lord help you all once they decide to let him man cover someone down field though :/
by fruly on Nov 4, 2009 12:41 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
well i say a pray everything an opposing QB throws the ball...
why would this be different?
by JCruize on Nov 5, 2009 12:56 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Tampa 2 left town
Keep him in the flats…and yall will have a pretty good corner on your team. May the Lord help you all once they decide to let him man cover someone down field though :/
Our CB’s need to man cover downfield this year. This isn’t a good fit.
What? He can’t block a dead gopher? Humph, details.
by GRLion on Nov 5, 2009 10:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
screwed up the quote box again
/kicks self
What? He can’t block a dead gopher? Humph, details.
by GRLion on Nov 5, 2009 10:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ahhhh
no more cover 2. Well then get ready for a sighfest if he ever gets on the field :/
by fruly on Nov 5, 2009 3:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
i'm telling you all....
i have a feeling we move away from the man blitz for more of the zone variety!!
by londonlion on Nov 5, 2009 3:55 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Edge James
is available, do we snatch him up?
by IAmGross on Nov 4, 2009 1:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
For what?
Concession sales? No thanks.
Just livin' the dream...
by Brefstink on Nov 4, 2009 1:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We already have a guy who averges 3 yards a rush
Kevin Smith
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by NYCLionsfan on Nov 4, 2009 2:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He used to catch footballs well.
Maybe he can be a wide receiver?
by Mushy on Nov 4, 2009 4:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Meh,
I don’t really have that many thoughts about this signing, if he makes a play, then good, as long as he doesn’t shit it up.
The loss of Davis on the other hand is depressing. Maybe he wasn’t as good as we thought.
2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).
by Hyperion Ecta on Nov 4, 2009 6:13 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Seriously, don't panic
If you guys are playing zone, David was a great pickup for you. He wasn’t perfect at it of course, but he was pretty stinking good. There was a reason the Saints went for him and it wasn’t because they were Millen-level idiots. He DID look good in the Cover-2 scheme when playing for the Colts. Very good in fact.
But in man coverage against top receivers, he’s horrible. He’ll have flashes of playing well at times and then stink the next play. But in zone he makes play after play after play. And in run support he’s pretty good as well.
And as a nickel corner he’s also OK because he’s likely to be matched up on a fast receiver who’s not a true #1, which means he’s less likely to face beautifully executed double-moves that he’ll bite on. And despite the fact that he’s so short he is very fast. That really does help, and also further qualifies him for this kind of role.
In short, I would say “wait and see”. He could suck it up and if so well I’ll feel sorry for you guys having to watch him play. But he just might surprise you if the coaches have the wit to use him appropriately… and I think your guys do. Unless/Until he gets promoted due to injury… in which case all bets are off.
by FriarBob on Nov 4, 2009 7:55 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Well, if he plays pretty well most of the time, and then gives up one big play here & there, he’ll fit right in on our defense this year :-(
Really though, thanks for the info FriarBob. He sounds like he’ll play fine if the coaches know how to use him right. Our secondary can’t get any worse—it still has long-term issues we need to draft for to fix.
by n4ry4 on Nov 5, 2009 8:54 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If we do what we don't do anymore....
We don’t play cover 2 as our base defense anymore. Doesn’t anyone pay attention to the Lions? Oh, wait, they don’t.
If you guys are playing zone, David was a great pickup for you. He wasn’t perfect at it of course, but he was pretty stinking good. There was a reason the Saints went for him and it wasn’t because they were Millen-level idiots. He DID look good in the Cover-2 scheme when playing for the Colts. Very good in fact.
But in man coverage against top receivers, he’s horrible. He’ll have flashes of playing well at times and then stink the next play. But in zone he makes play after play after play. And in run support he’s pretty good as well.
What? He can’t block a dead gopher? Humph, details.
by GRLion on Nov 5, 2009 11:01 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for all the comments Saints fans
Good luck on your road to perfection.
From a closet Saints fan :D
We didn't lose the games, we just ran out of time -- Bobby Layne
by detpistons3 on Nov 4, 2009 11:21 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'll toast to that
Some of the nicest and most respectful fans to come across over to POD….good on ya, Saint’s fans.
2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).
by Hyperion Ecta on Nov 5, 2009 5:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
not sure which thread it was posted, but in terms of ksmiths touches here are the numbers
his senior year in college when he fell 26yds shy of beating barry’s all time yardage in a single season record, he touched the ball 450 times! in his last 16 games alone, he has 349 (308 carries & 41 receptions). that includes much of the 0-16 season where they were often behind by 21pts or more. there are not many backs in the league that touch the ball that much period and have health about them…let alone one that plays behind an average on the best of days oline. ksmith needs to shed some of these touches…i think if he touched the ball 20 times a game his health & effectiveness will improve. there is only so much tread in those tires…at this rate, they will be worn out in his first couple of years.
by londonlion on Nov 5, 2009 9:27 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
20 times per game
equals 320 carries for the season…..
Not many backs can perennially carry the ball 300+ times and stay health or have any longevity in the league…..just look at what is happening to LT and Larry Johnson for example.
by KDawg on Nov 5, 2009 5:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
bingo
sorry, didn’t do the quick math…there are some games i think he can & should put in twenty touches…including catches…but no way he can sustain 300+ per season…especially after 450 in his last year of college
by londonlion on Nov 6, 2009 9:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not unless they want to burn him out.....
But some backs thrive the more they get the ball……
by KDawg on Nov 6, 2009 7:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yes
but as you brought up, the chargers did that with LT…he wanted the ball, he got more effective as games went on…sure they had about five good years…but if you want longevity…its not the way…if you want to gas him & get all you can in a short span…sure. or if you have no other options, and he is dominant vs his competition as he was at central florida…
by londonlion on Nov 7, 2009 12:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly.....
Teams are turning to the RBBC for a reason.
by KDawg on Nov 7, 2009 1:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Guys like Emmitt Smith (*gag*) are the exception to the rule.....
by KDawg on Nov 7, 2009 1:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
teams who have a line like emmitt had in front of him
are the exception to the rule…personally, aside from heart, i don’t think emmitt was all that special…his line was.
by londonlion on Nov 7, 2009 3:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yep, not that special as a player, he had a great line........but Emmitt was special, in another way...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGT08DTk3NM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhETfAnnUr4&feature=related
What? He can’t block a dead gopher? Humph, details.
by GRLion on Nov 8, 2009 1:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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