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Kevin Smith's Mentality

I've always loved Kevin Smith as a Lion.  From the time he was drafted, I've been happy he was a part of the team.  He's a strong runner, a prolific talent that continues to improve.  I think half the reason he's not been even better is because of our sour offensive line (what's new?).   So, needless to say, I became even more content with Smith as our starting RB because of the following report from Yahoo! Sports:

 

"RB Kevin Smith is likely to play after leaving Sunday's game against St. Louis with a shoulder injury -- the second such problem he has had this season -- and knows he needs to produce better. Coach Jim Schwartz has talked about breaking big runs. Smith's longest is 20 yards. He averages 3.1 yards per carry. "We're all looking to kind of quiet the critics that Detroit doesn't have a running game," Smith said. "Because I get the ball first, I want to be that tempo-setter and that lead dog. I think enough's enough." The Lions are trying to give Maurice Morris and rookie Aaron Brown a few more carries, while keeping Smith as the No. 1 back. "We've got to, between the three of them, come up with a productive plan in the run game to win," offensive coordinator Scott Linehan said. "We haven't gotten there yet." Smith bristled and declined to comment when asked if the coaches were increasing competition. But earlier he talked about feeling heat. "The coaches have expectations," Smith said. "Of course you want to prove to them that you can do your thing, but the most pressure is coming from myself, because I didn't come in this league to be a bottom-list rusher. ... I've got to stick with it. If it's not going my way, there's two things you can do: You can give up, or you can get better. There's only one option for me.""

 

I love the attitude.  The commitment to improvement.  We need guys like him on this team.   It is things like this that let me know that they aren't quitting, that they are always focusing on improving, and that they are buying into the new coaching system completely.  I feel good about this team's future, even though they've shown some major inconsistency through the season.   We will get better.   We just have to build more around our solid talent.

Restore the roar!

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One problem Twon

K Smith has been saying the same thing for a long time – going back to last year. I know his shoulder is bothering him but he hasn’t had a rush longer than 20 yards this season (I think) and he won’t crack the 1,000 yard mark either.

I love the attitude as well, please don’t get me wrong but I don’t think he’s a better back than James Stewart or Kevin Jones for that matter.

I spray paint my dog Honolulu Blue and Silver

Pic - me and the great Herman Moore

by NYCLionsfan on Nov 6, 2009 9:29 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

what back on an equivalent team has produced more?

slaton is the closest comparison…but really, for a team that passed what 60 or 65% of the time last year, he was still able to put up solid numbers after not really playing at all through the first five games…i say he produced just fine last year. this year…a rb needs his shoulders as much as he needs his legs…don’t discount that…

by londonlion on Nov 6, 2009 9:33 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Kevin Jones??

He’s definitely better than Jones. Way better.

GO LIONS! RESTORE THE ROAR!

by Twon82 on Nov 6, 2009 6:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

No way Twon

Not when K Jones was healthy. Look at the numbers I think you will find Jones was better with a worse O Line

I spray paint my dog Honolulu Blue and Silver

Pic - me and the great Herman Moore

by NYCLionsfan on Nov 6, 2009 7:13 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Define "better"

Is it more yards or more TDs that makes back better than another? Is it yards per carry, yards per game, or is it yards from scrimmage that make a back better than another?

I do not agree that Kevin Jones was a better back than Kevin Smith, based on compasrison. Yes, Jones had 1133 yards in his rookie season while Smith only had 976. However, Jones had 5 TDs to Smith’s 8 (rushing) and Jones started 14 games to Smith’s 12. Jones had a slightly better yards per attempt average with 4.7 to Smith’s 4.1, and a slightly better rushing yards per game average with 75.5 yards per game to Smith’s 61. However, Kevin Smith had 39 catches for 286 yards (in 12 starts) while Jones had 28 catches for 180 yards and a receiving TD (in 14 starts)…..Jones ended up with 1313 yards from scrimmage as a rookie (in 14 starts) to Smith’s 1262 (in 12 starts). 51 yards more from scrimmage in 2 starts? That hardly makes him a better back than Kevin Smith.

Comparing either player to Stewart is like comparing apples to oranges….it is just a completely different story as he was never a rookie in Detroit.

Not only is Kevin Smith just as good as Kevin Jones, if not better, but Kevin Jones regressed from his rookie year to the following season….starting less games, gaining less yards rushing (664 on 13 starts…..there’s a better comparison for you right there), less receptions and receiving yards (20 catches for 109 yards and no TDs), less rushing yards per attempt (3.6), less yards per game (51.1), and less yards from scrimmage (773). Kevin Smith is a far more complete back than Kevin Jones ever was, and he is also more durable.

by KDawg on Nov 6, 2009 7:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm with ya there...

2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).
Zack Follett: he will hurt your mind.

by Hyperion Ecta on Nov 7, 2009 5:57 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

More durable

’ll give you that but when healthy I liked K Jones better for sure

I spray paint my dog Honolulu Blue and Silver

Pic - me and the great Herman Moore

by NYCLionsfan on Nov 8, 2009 12:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Nope.

I notice that Smith gets us first downs or closer to first downs much more consistently. I never trusted Jones like I do Smith.

GO LIONS! RESTORE THE ROAR!

by Twon82 on Nov 8, 2009 10:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

we need him in the run game to open up the passing lanes

just as much as we need calvin playing to draw safety attention to open up the rush…we need both…and both need not only eachother…but both need a productive line

by londonlion on Nov 6, 2009 9:30 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

btw i completely agree...i am a huge fan of smith & his versatility

and his attitude & approach as much if not more. its the intagibles that can’t be taught…he will get there…

by londonlion on Nov 6, 2009 9:31 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

London

Agreed – I think the shoulder is a big problem for a RB (I was a tight end in high school and even I need my shoulders………LOL). I’m just saying its a pattern where K Smith keeps saying he’s gonna havea break out game and he never does………….he’s not a break out kind of guy. I think his attitude should stay EXACTLY the same just stop saying “lead dog” and “Break out game is coming” because it never does.

I spray paint my dog Honolulu Blue and Silver

Pic - me and the great Herman Moore

by NYCLionsfan on Nov 6, 2009 9:43 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, i wish he'd keep his mouth shut about that, and just leave it at "i didn't come here to be an average guy"

i had my shoulder separated playing wr in highschool…took a helmet in the shoulder…you don’t realize how much strength you lose until you hurt it…let alone facing a 250lb lineback who wants to crush you

by londonlion on Nov 6, 2009 11:12 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

+1 for sure

one thing i haven’t seen in smith that i loved in jones…probably his most memorable play for me…was standing ray lewis up three plays in a row, hitting him head on, and scoring on the final one.

by londonlion on Nov 7, 2009 12:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i was a big fan of jones btw

i used pick him up in every year of madden in the fantasy drafts

by londonlion on Nov 7, 2009 12:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Go VT!

KJ was my favorite Lion… Still have his jersey, along with his VTech one, which is signed…

Too bad he ended up on the Bears :(

by Nate D. on Nov 7, 2009 3:55 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He does bust the big ones , but we have Brown for that it is the OLINE that is horrible

Smith is a football player, not a cry baby, not a egotistic jerk, a strong minded big hearted football player. He the Brandon Inge of the Lions. love this guy just hopes he has better luck with his line and busts a few big runs this year or else that is a problem that will have to be analyzed in the offseason.

Jack of all trades-Master of None.....

by Peter Chung on Nov 8, 2009 12:21 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If he is here in 4 yrs...

Then you can compare him to BInge… He’s gotta be able to pull weight and show up in the clutch. (not that we have much clutch, YET)!

by j16941 on Nov 8, 2009 2:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

He's adequate for the teams needs.

Thats the best I can say. Does anyone want to be adequate? Not really…

He’s got the attitude, and some move, and good vision, but he’s slow!!! We really need a back that can take it the distance once he gets past the Dline.

I would like to see A Brown get the start, and develop him.. He has lots to learn, but he has the most long term potential

Just livin' the dream...

by Brefstink on Nov 6, 2009 1:53 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

He may not have speed in it's "pure" form.....

But he is a back with great acceleration and rare agility…..coupled with excellent vision. If he could get past the first level (IE if there were running lanes) he would break his foot off in some linebacker’s asses and run into the secondary a lot more.

by KDawg on Nov 6, 2009 7:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Speed

People said Barry Sanders didnt have straight line speed either.

by LionInIowa on Nov 6, 2009 10:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

K-Smooth

Like you said Twon, I love his attitude. That’s the sorta stuff we need from our players of the future, and I think he is a player of our future.

The sad fact of the matter is, Kevin is running behind some very poor blocking. He rarely gets a hole and when he does, he can’t break free because the blocking wasn’t substantial enough in the first place. Sure, Mo had a pretty good game last week, but Smith wasn’t terrible either, and he’s also proved he can play well, eg. the Skins. And that’s not even mentioning his versatility in the passing game.

I say we lay off Smith, he’s still young, and things will get better for him.

2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).
Zack Follett: he will hurt your mind.

by Hyperion Ecta on Nov 6, 2009 6:54 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Honestly...

I think the Lions, like being on the Lions…thats a huge change

http://cmufootball.blogspot.com/

by CapitolLions on Nov 7, 2009 9:59 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

absolutely

as long as he doesn’t go all jon kitna on us saying this playoff thing every year…think it please…drive for it please…just don’t come out year after year and predict it. do it. and that goes for the whole team…just damn well get out there and beat the guy in front of you.

by londonlion on Nov 7, 2009 12:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

K Smith--great vision

all the K Smith haters need to put down the hatorade and watch some film (carefully). since we grew up watching greats like Billy Sims and Barry Sanders, we should be connoisseurs of RBs and know what we are looking for.

you can’t blindly judge a back merely by his yardage or YPC. some of the greatest runs i’ve ever seen were on short gains—remember Barry? i think the proper way to evaluate a back is how he optimizes his yardage in each situation, how he reacts to what is given on each play. even Barry, who worked magic like no other RB in history (including beauties like Gale Sayers), would danced around a little too much on certain plays and not take the 2.5 yd gain, sometimes gettting a force-out for 0 when he tried to give ground and take it outside. since he could create in hopeless situations anyone can give him a pass. he was a special case.

but football is a game of inches and even a 2.5-3.0 yard carry can help set a team up on second down and make a difference in what is available to an offense. K Smith is a top 10 RB in this league. watch him closely, watch each play dozens of times, one thing that jumps out at you is his amazing vision. He sets up his blocks very well because he knows his fronts and optimizes his yards on almost every play. He anticipates things that aren’t there yet. He is not just physically gifted, this talent comes from studying his craft. contrast this to Kevin Jones running into the backs of his OLs, unable to adapt to the evolution of a particular play. he can also create—check out his amazing play to get the 1st down in the St. Louis game—it looked impossible but he is so aware of his space, and 1st-down marker, that just knows how to get there.

believe me, this team has MUCH bigger problems than RB.

by x$pcents IV on Nov 7, 2009 2:21 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I agree

Good points

by KDawg on Nov 7, 2009 2:33 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

one thing i like about smith too

is about 95% of the time…as he’s going down he pushes for the extra two yards … bout the only exception is when he’s caught behind the line…great multidimensionalism (is that even a word?)

by londonlion on Nov 7, 2009 3:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

he has great vision to get those last inches...

and with blockers in front…i’d say look out. look what he did down the stretch last year (his first year) once his oline, which was far from great, simply played consistantly individually and as a unit (getting reps as a unit and not switching guys around)

by londonlion on Nov 7, 2009 3:23 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

His ability to escape a tackle for a loss, and make it a 2 or 3 yd gain, is a nice talent.

2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).
Zack Follett: he will hurt your mind.

by Hyperion Ecta on Nov 7, 2009 6:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

A Brown

also, when you look at speed, A Brown has very good pro speed, but when he hits his top end, he falls over very easily (ankle tackle last game (St. Louis) where he should have popped one for a big gain). most backs don’t hit their top speed when a play is developing. i suppose you can hit the holes a top speed when they are consistently there and but this is taking a big risk since it reduces your chance to accommodate changes in the play. i’d rather see a guy make the proper reads, adjust to the play, and then hit the burners when he sees the hole. this is what Kevin does. also, he is NOT slow. he just runs in with a very controlled style and sets up his blocks.

don’t get me wrong, i love to have a guy like A Brown to complement a guy like Kevin Jones. if Brown gets stickier hands (caused an INT last game and stumbled in his route), and works as hard as Smith, we are going to have a very good backfield.

by x$pcents IV on Nov 7, 2009 2:34 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

So it WAS Aaron Brown.....LOL!

Somebody said it was Northcutt…..I thought it was Brown.

Brown is great for getting outside the tackles…..while Smith is better at running between the tackles. I agree that Kevin Smith is a patient back who tries hard to let the play develop before he hits the afterburners. In contrast, we saw what happens when a guy (Mo Morris) hits full speed before the play completely develops. Morris is a bruiser, Smith is a workhorse, and Brown is a speedster…..sounds like a good combo for RBBC (if they would or could utilize it). However, the offensive line has to do a much better job at run blocking before any of our backs will see much success at all. You said it perfectly when you said that a back needs to “make the proper reads, adjust to the play, and then hit the burners when he sees the hole”. That is the mark of a good running back who averages over 4 yards per carry (when he has an offensive line that can open some running lanes). Patience and vision are the keys. If you want 2-3 yards and a cloud of dust, give Morris the ball. If you want to get outside in space, toss it to Brown. If you can block and want to see if a back can hit the home run…..you go with Smith.

by KDawg on Nov 7, 2009 8:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I said Northcutt, it was Brown. My bad

by JazzyBBP on Nov 8, 2009 12:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Kevin Smith is good but not great. I’d like to see a BIG Brandon Jacobs-type of back in the mix. Have the big guy beat them down and a fresh K-Smooth to finish them off or vice-versa, just get a bull in the mix

by JazzyBBP on Nov 7, 2009 3:27 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

We have a guy like that

His name is Jerome Felton

by Nate D. on Nov 7, 2009 4:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Well then they should use him more

by JazzyBBP on Nov 7, 2009 6:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

They would if he weren’t injured.

by KDawg on Nov 7, 2009 8:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If Lions players were like Kevin Smith

we would have a decent program

Jack of all trades-Master of None.....

by Peter Chung on Nov 8, 2009 12:35 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Damn right.

GO LIONS! RESTORE THE ROAR!

by Twon82 on Nov 8, 2009 10:49 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

It's the O-line

Look, any running back is not going to put up great numbers when you have an O-line as weak as Detroit’s. People pointing out some of Smith’s numbers could look better need to remember that a football team is a unit. Big running plays happen when the O-line opens up the big hole. Detroit’s line basically never does that, so how is Smith supposed to get a 50-yd gain?

Smith is not the problem on the team. I think the Lions have the core down pretty well. They have the RB, the QB, and one really good WR. Pettigrew might develop into something good, too. The game-changer for the Lions right now on offense is the line. It sucks. A second good WR and some talent on the line, and this team could have a dominant offense in the next year or two.

But if you look at the Lions’ history, it’s hard to believe they’re going to do that.

by Fishmandude on Nov 9, 2009 8:31 AM EST reply actions   0 recs


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