Who I think the Lions should draft.
by lionfan4life on Nov 9, 2009 1:25 PM EST
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I was at the game on Sunday and it is becoming more and more clear that we need to draft a DT, either Suh or McCoy. We did not do a very good job at getting to Hasselback early in the game. Later in the game though the D started to settle in and played very well by only giving up a few field goals and a couple three and outs. We just do not have a pass rush and I think that once we get that the rest of the D will be a lot better.
I think that the only reason that we lost this game was because of rookie mistakes made by Stafford which was to be expected, plus there was also a couple of dropped passes that we not perfect but they should have been caught. I also think that Calvin was shaking off a bit of rust. So I think that the offense can be addressed in later rounds. the only thing that I wanted to see more of yesterday was Stafford going deep more.
This was actually the first game that I was able to see this year and I was very impressed. I was not one of those people who thought that we were going to finish 8 and 8. I thought that we would be in the three to five win category and I think that we are in that general area. I also thought that Pettegrew had an excellent game, including that offsides penalty.
On a final note I think that Stan Kwan is the new Matt MIllen. Our special teams is horrible, we constantly let them up to the 40 and 50 yard line. Overall though based on the fact that the lions have basically had to rebuild after 8 years of horrible drafting I was very happy with were we are now.
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I think some DBs would help our rush
They threw the ball all day because we couldn’t cover. A DB in the draft will go a long way towards giving the Dline time to get to the QB.
To be fair, they screen passed us to death yesterday, so maybe it is also on the LBs.
by ATL Lion on Nov 9, 2009 2:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think it works much better the other way around
Get the pass rush to help the DBs cover……
by KDawg on Nov 9, 2009 5:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I hope so.....
Because so far it looks like they are content to lose until they get to the foundation of the team, which is the offensive and defensive lines.
by KDawg on Nov 9, 2009 9:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no DB can cover any WR for 5 or 6 seconds..
Lions need a pass rush. In a bad way. Even when we blitz. It is still taking to long to get to the QB. The O-lines are playing man on man. Freeing up a extra lineman plus a back to stop the blitz. The LIons need that one stud on the edge. Get another DT to create some gaps in the middle for the blitzing LB’s
by JCruize on Nov 10, 2009 12:58 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree.....
But I am of the “build a team from the inside out and not the outside in” variety, so my opinion is based on that philosophy.
by KDawg on Nov 10, 2009 4:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No argument there.....but.....
My preferences for when to get those pieces are based on the available talent. If Eric Berry is on the board, he’s still, IMO, the Best Player in the Draft (sorry Dawg, I like his instincts…..Taylor Mays seems to me more like the one who’s getting by on physical talent alone). Gunther wants GIANT DT’s, and those are available from the 2nd Round on. I want us to get a GIANT DT, but also a safety and 2 CB’s. Good CB’s should be available in Rounds 3-4.
So I’m sticking with my preferences for now….
1. S Eric Berry
2. GIANT DT (what Gunther wants, Gunther gets)(did I mention GIANT?)
3. fast man cover CB
4. fast man cover CB
What? He can’t block a dead gopher? Humph, details.
by GRLion on Nov 10, 2009 7:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
Check this out…..note the “areas for improvement”……
by KDawg on Nov 11, 2009 1:20 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Is Berry an underclassman?
He’s not even listed on Scout.com’s top 25……or in the ranks of safeties.
by KDawg on Nov 11, 2009 1:27 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Those links are to High School Scouting reports
Eric Berry has learned a few things since then.
Here’s a sampling of some of the more well-known scouting and draft sites. I linked some player rankings. No mocks, just player rankings. (Not all of these sites had an overall player ranking, so for some all I had was the positional ranking)
#1-ranked DB:
http://collegefootball.rivals.com/viewCFSE.asp?selposition=17
http://www.nfldraftdog.com/2010-nfl-draft/top-100-prospects.html
http://newnfldraft.com/archives/1303
I love this quote from Matt McGuire:
“Strong safety prospects simply can’t get any better than Eric Berry. He is the Calvin Johnson of safety prospects – once in a decade.”
Top safety, top overall player:
http://walterfootball.com/mattfivedefense.php
http://walterfootball.com/mattdraft2010bigboard.php
http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2010eberry.php
Top Safety:
http://www.draftace.com/draft2010/s_ranks.htm
Top Overall Player:
http://www.footballsfuture.com/2010/prospects/
http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft
- Overall Player on Mel Kiper’s Big Board (Eddie Munster scares me more every year)
http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft10/insider/news/story?id=4622364&addata=2009_insdr_mod_nfl_xxx_xxx&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnfl%2fdraft10%2finsider%2fnews%2fstory%3fid%3d4622364%26addata%3d2009_insdr_mod_nfl_xxx_xxx
Eric Berry is a Junior. If he stays in school, naturally that changes things. Here is Scout.com’s current 2010 Draft Rankings.
http://tennessee.scout.com/a.z?s=7&p=9&c=12&yr=2010&nid=83&lnid=124&rc=4&pid=88&pg=1
Note that is lists 430 players on 9 pages…….426 Seniors, and only 4 Juniors. There’s probably a story for each of those 4 exceptions. So Berry, and virtually all other underclassmen, are not listed on Scout.com’s top 25, or even top 430. It was Scout.com’s choice to do a virtual blanket exclusion of those players from that list. Arbitrary? Almost certainly. As to how it specifically relates to Berry……..he’s of course not listed by Scout.com, but we’ll have to wait and see if he declares early for the draft. We know somebody will…….maybe Berry will be one of them. Stay tuned.
What? He can’t block a dead gopher? Humph, details.
by GRLion on Nov 11, 2009 5:58 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ok
1) Your first link has Berry listed as a CB. He has not played CB in college since 2006 (I think he moved to safety in 07).
2) Berry is a junior…..like you said, he might not declare this year.
3) Your second link is to Draft Dog……“Draft Dog is in no way affiliated with the National Football League (NFL) or the National Collegiate Athletic Association (NCAA)”. In other words, that list is their opinion and they are not pro scouts.
4) Your third link is a mock DB draft…..done by an amateur by the looks of it. This is not a scouting report….just an opinion based mock from some guy off the street.
5) Walter Football does have some decent info, but again everything is based on a couple of guy’s opinions of college players and how they match up with one another….fantasy football fans, not pro scouts.
6) ESPN’s rankings are by far the most credible that you posted.
7) I agree that Berry would be the best safety coming out in the draft, if he declares. However, I think setting the bar Ed Reed high is not only unfair to Berry, but unlikely as well. He may be good, but he has a history of shoulder injuries and surgery too. It is good that he is learning from Monte Kiffin, and he may very well be NFL ready, but how durable is he? He seems a bit undersized for a SS to me…..5’11 204…..yeah Ed Reed is about the same size, but safeties like Ed Reed are a rare breed. I guess I err on the side of pessimism and skepticism with college players in comparison to pros. That’s why I say take the big body with your high first rounder….Suh or Okung.
8) I hate Mel Kiper and I think he is a loud mouthed, ego-maniacal moron. I’ll give Kiper this…..he’s right about 1 time in 10. That makes him stupid 90% of the time, and his hair fits him perfectly.
9) I’m not bashing on you, and I respect your opinions.
10) If Suh and Okung are gone, I would be happy with Berry.
by KDawg on Nov 11, 2009 5:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I just link 'em......
I don’t write ’em.
Don’t hold your breath waiting for actual NFL scouts affiliated with the NFL to post top 100 lists on the web. Teams guard their internal scouting reports and keep that info secret. This other stuff is all us peons get to see. I linked some of the more well-known draft sites (even though Kiper still scares me). If you’ve got some other scouting sites (there are lots), feel free to post some links.
What? He can’t block a dead gopher? Humph, details.
by GRLion on Nov 11, 2009 8:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Like I said man.....
ESPN is the best one you will find…..and the closest to the players. Of course you still have morons like Kiper at ESPN too…..lol.
My point is that your opinion and my opinion are just as good as Joe Schmo from Draft Dog, WalterFootball, or some no name mocker. In this case, there is no truly credible source to back either your opinion or mine.
by KDawg on Nov 11, 2009 8:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I understand, it's a swamp of uncertainty at times........
…….but my response is not to throw up my hands and go with the Moral Equivalency Argument (aka nobody knows any more than anybody else, nobody knows, etc.). Mind you, I’m not endorsing any single site as THE authority. I also acknowledge the tendency of draft sites to read each other and reach artificial consensus like so many lemmings. But somebody, somewhere, has to know something. We just need to find the gems of wisdom out there in the vast slop of the world wide web.
Of course, if we are comepletely mistrustful of all outside opinion, we can look at the player stats, or, better yet, watch game tape ourselves.
If you prefer the ESPN site, here’s the link.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft
What? He can’t block a dead gopher? Humph, details.
by GRLion on Nov 11, 2009 9:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Besides, the ultimate result of the "nobody knows" approach.........
………is to throw darts at the wall and draft that way. I’d rather not do that.
What? He can’t block a dead gopher? Humph, details.
by GRLion on Nov 11, 2009 9:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
LOL
The difference is that the teams in the NFL pay people to scout players for them, create first hand reports, and give their opinion to the guys that make the final decisions. They are making educated guesses with first hand knowledge. We are reading crap spewed forth by guys with no more of an idea than we ourselves have. That is why I say the ESPN analysts (in association with Scout Inc) are the most credible and reliable, as they have direct contact with many current and former NFL players, scouts, coaches etc…..
You’re right…..there is somebody, somewhere, that knows something….but it isn’t Draft Dog’s lackeys, Walter Football’s lackeys, or Joe Schmo mock draft guy. Even the hideous Mel Kiper knows more than those guys, and that is totally F’ed up. John Clayton is probably the guy I like the most for an ESPN analyst.
ESPN (via Scout Inc) has Berry and McCoy as the top rated prospects (if they declare for the draft). My opinion is that there is no defensive tackle besides Suh who warrants a top 10 pick. Like I said somewhere else here, Berry is getting a ton of national media attention and he is being over hyped. I think he is good, but top 5 good? No. Top 10? Maybe. At this point I see Detroit picking in the top 5…..and I see Okung or Suh as the only 2 players, at positions that we desperately need, worthy of a top 5 pick. Kiper has Suh, Berry, and McCoy as his top 3 respectively…..
I respect your opinion and see where you are coming from with your preferences. However, I respectfully disagree. Even though I see guys like McCoy as second round talent, the media has him as a high first rounder, while guys like Terrence Cody are not even in their top 32 (Cody is also a NT in a 3-4, and he has weight issues….he is a 2 down player and is more than likely a sure 2nd rounder).
You want Berry with our first pick….I want Okung or Suh. If Suh is gone, and we can get Okung, then maybe we get Cody in round 2 to replace the aging Grady Jackson (in much the same role). Okung, Suh, and Berry are gone when we pick….then I’d bet on McCoy if he declares. If Okung and Suh are gone, and Berry and McCoy are either gone or they stay in school, then what? Do we take OT Trent Williams out of Oklahoma? DE Carlos Dunlap from Florida (also an underclassman)? Taylor Mays because he is the next best thing to Berry? Or do we go with a Joe Haden at CB or a Dez Bryant at WR?
by KDawg on Nov 12, 2009 3:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Good comment....I agree with 99% of it
(Disagree on Berry, of course)
I agree about DT’s…Suh is the only Top 10 talent, IMO. I’m not high on McCoy either….if for no other reason than he doesn’t fit what Gunther wants to do…bad fit. I agree on DT Terrence Cody……guys that fat tend to slide out of the 1st Round….like you, I’m hoping to get Cody in the 2nd Round. Could be some of the sites that still have Cody in the 1st Round are the amateur sites.
The scouting site thing is, like many things in life, a mixed bag. There are many amateurs, but also a few guys who have worked in the league as scouts or whatever who are currently out of the league. A prime example would be The Godfather, Gil Brandt. I look for nuggets of wisdom in the vast swamp of the World Wide Web. A few guys like Gil are good places to look for that wisdom (he’s always been one of my favorites). Not that I’m endorsing any single source, mind you…….
What? He can’t block a dead gopher? Humph, details.
by GRLion on Nov 15, 2009 1:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Like you, I'm looking at Suh or Okung as our preferable options for the 1st Round pick (IF Berry stays in school)
And like you, if both those guys are off the board, I don’t have an immediate answer on where to go instead.
What? He can’t block a dead gopher? Humph, details.
by GRLion on Nov 15, 2009 1:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I actually saw
him listed as the No. 1 overall talent on one board. I also saw him listed as CB/S. Is that right Dawg or is it wishful thinking?
by rbanner on Nov 11, 2009 2:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He has played both positions in college......
And he was a QB in HS……he’s definitely a versatile guy due to his athletic ability. However, I do not see him playing corner in the NFL. That doesn’t mean he will not…..it just means I personally doubt it.
by KDawg on Nov 11, 2009 5:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think we will trade down.....
….However I do like the saftey from Tennessee Berry…….More draft picks the better……Trade down out of the top 5 and pick up a 2nd and 3rd or a 2nd and 4th….Whatever they can get.
by BennieBladesFan on Nov 9, 2009 2:33 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Can't trade down.
If they have the number 1 pick again.
I know a lot of you probably don’t want to consider this, but the Lions are legitimately looking at this as a possibility now.
by Mushy on Nov 9, 2009 2:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I disagree
We stand a much better chance at landing in the top 5 this year, potentially even lower.
We’re bad, but trust me, there has never been such a glut of terrible teams in the NFL as there is today. The Browns are hopeless, the Bucs are as well (I don’t care about Josh Freeman), KC and Oakland aren’t going anywhere.
My prediction of top 5 pick order:
- - Browns
- - Oakland
- - Bucs
- - Lions
- - KC
It’s all speculation since at this point we all have one win, so I’m not sure how the tiebreakers are decided. But we’ll win at least one more this year (hahah), I fully believe that. I cannot say the same for the teams below us.
by Nate D. on Nov 9, 2009 3:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sure
I guess I didn’t mean that to say “We absolutely will finish with the #1 pick”. I too, have no idea how the tiebreakers work. It makes that Cleveland game in a couple of weeks pretty critical though. I can’t help but notice that the Rams slipped out of your top five…you see them finishing stronger than all five of those teams?
by Mushy on Nov 9, 2009 3:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
problem is...there are no winless teams
all five of those right now are even. if we lose to the browns…which by god i hope we don’t…we very well could be looking at #1 overall. hell, the bucs beat the packers…who might i remid you shut us out.
by londonlion on Nov 9, 2009 3:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not to discredit their victory.
But it was at home…and they did have the Pueter jersey’s on.
by Mushy on Nov 9, 2009 3:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Bottom Five
I see it going more like this (assuming the Lions beat the Browns):
1) The Saint Louis Rams (1-15): I don’t see them winning another game this season – NO, AZ SEA, HOU, and SF @ home; CHI, TEN, AZ on the road.
2) The Tampa Bay Buccaneers (1-15): This team probably doesn’t win another game either, although beating the Packers was an impressive win. Not sure how the tie-breaker works…so maybe they’re the number one pick?
3) The Cleveland Browns (2-14): They could easily flip-flop with KC, depending on who wins that stellar matchup. I do see them beating Oakland at home for their second victory.
4) The Kansas City Chiefs (2-14): Again, this really depends on who wins their game against Cleveland…but I’m giving them the benefit of the doubt since their at home. Although, we all saw that home field may not mean squat when too bad teams take the field.
5) The Detroit Lions (2-14): I’m now starting to think that beating Cleveland will be the only other bright spot this season. Hopefully my case of the Monday’s is clouding my judgement, but I really think this may be a reality.
6) The Oakland Raiders (3-13) : They beat KC this weekend for their third and final victory this season.
7) The Washington Redskins : Washing beats Oakland for their third and final victory.
Note: If the Lions lose to the Browns I think they are tied with Tampa and STL for the worst record in the league.
by Mushy on Nov 9, 2009 3:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Mushy
I think you have us too high. We’re definitly picking in the top 3.
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by NYCLionsfan on Nov 9, 2009 4:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
FYI
The fact that we’re discussing the draft again…half way into the season is just plain depressing.
by Mushy on Nov 9, 2009 4:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Very depressing
I say that just based on the fact that we lost to the Rams and our schedule is pretty tough the rest of the way. I would be suprised if we ended the year better than 2-14 and honestly I see us winning any games except MAYBE the Browns game but we said the same thing about the Rams so who knows??
I just think we are one of the top 3 worst teams in football still.
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by NYCLionsfan on Nov 9, 2009 4:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Browns
If the Rams vs. Lions was appropriately named “The Toilet Bowl”, what does that make the Browns vs. Lions game?
That game will probably sum up where this team actually is in the pecking order…if the Lions can’t beat the Browns I would actually say they are the unquestioned worst team in the NFL…which would speak volumes as to how bad the Redskins actually are.
by Mushy on Nov 9, 2009 4:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I really want one of the DT's in the first round..
then the best cornerback available in the second and then nothing but O-line and more D-line depth after that. We severely need talent and depth on the D-line. And I say draft 2 or 3 O-lineman and let them battle it out in camp and pre-season for the starting jobs with each other and the veterans. It is painfully obvious that the lines on both sides of the ball are lacking playmakers.
by toled0lions on Nov 9, 2009 2:45 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
There is no way
You get a starting caliber left tackle outside of the first round. If we want to fix the O-Line problem now, we draft Russel Okung with the 1st rd pick, there’s no other way outside of free agency /trades
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by detpistons3 on Nov 9, 2009 6:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I have to agree
We need Okung……and our only hopes of getting both the LT and the DT we need right now is to make a trade to move up for a second first rounder….
by KDawg on Nov 9, 2009 9:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Unless we pick in the top 3
Okungs gone. Which I think the Bucs are picking ahead of us and they will take him. Cleveland won’t, KC won’t, St. Louis won’t, but the Bucs will. Then what? Just draft the next best LT out of position Raiders style? If we pick ahead of the Bucs then yes take Okung but if we don’t he’s gone. Then draft Suh, McCoy, or maybe Cody. Cody isn’t as athletic but nobody can block him. I prefer Suh just because the dude is a freak of an athletic specimen but chances are he will be gone by the 3rd or 4th pick too. I also would love to see Greg Hardy in a Lions uni too. Also depending on his performance the rest of the season and what he can show through the combine and workout I would like to see Tent Williams get drafted by us. He moved from RT to LT this season so it is imparitive to see how he does the rest of the way during this season to see if he can handle the pass protection duties at LT.
Either way the team decides to go I just want to see them draft a Big Ugly in some form or another. And there are some crazy good ones in this years draft. The first 10 picks besides a couple of picks will be OL and DL picks. This draft is loaded and it is a very good draft to add a ton of talent and depth to this team.
by toled0lions on Nov 10, 2009 3:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If Okung is gone......
We will draft Berry……if he is there.
If not, then I would bet on Suh.
If Okung, Berry, and Suh are gone……then McCoy? Personally I see McCoy and Cody as second rounders…..
by KDawg on Nov 10, 2009 4:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
no way we draft a safety first round. We need help on the lines so bad it would be a mistake not to take one of the DT's
There are a shit ton of good safeties in the later rounds this year.
i.e. Barry Church – Toledo, Darrel Stuckey – Kansas, Nate Allen – S. Florida, Kam Chancellor – V. Tech., Myron Rolle (remember him) – FSU, Justin Woodall – Alabama and so on and so forth.
Point is we need an absolute stud on the d-line and this draft has so many insanely talented safeties that we will be able to get a really really good one as late as the 4th round.
by toled0lions on Nov 10, 2009 5:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
If Okung is there take him over anybody though.
by toled0lions on Nov 10, 2009 5:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I sure hope Cody ends up being a 2nd Rounder
I’m pinning my wildest hopes on getting Eric Berry in the 1st Round (he’s a game-changer, don’t settle for “good enough”), and Terrence Cody in the 2nd Round (he’s a GIANT DT, just like Gunther wants).
As we get closer to the draft I’ll have to do some research and see what the Official Combine Weights were of the fattest DT’s ever drafted in the 1st Round. Cody is listed at 365 Lbs. That kind of jiggling fat scares people off at the Combine. Coaches and scouts get amnesia and forget what they saw the player do on tape. I’m hoping that happens to Cody, and he falls into our laps in the 2nd Round.
What? He can’t block a dead gopher? Humph, details.
by GRLion on Nov 10, 2009 7:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
That is the same mistake the Lions have been making for years.
Drafting sexy skill position players in the first round. When are we gonna spend some time working on the lines. We won’t be good until we do it’s that simple.
By the way those safeties I named are great. Look at Jarius Byrd on the Bills or Bob Sanders (injuries not included). I’m saying that great safeties are all over this draft and we have our game changer it’s Delmas we just need a really good player to compliment him on the other side and I would love to see either Barry Church or Justin Woodall come here. And Myron Rolle was gonna be a top 10 pick last year and he is now in this draft and we can get him in the later rounds. That would be an absolute steal. Plus he is smarter than any other player in this draft so for the mental side of the game, especially at safety, that would be huge to this team. We could rely on him to be our Peyton Manning of our defense because he is a genius and is a physical specimen of an athelete.
by toled0lions on Nov 11, 2009 4:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I have changed my mind since posting (4 posts above).
Now I say if Okung and Suh are gone…..we will draft Berry. Bank on it.
Just a gut feeling, but I think Cody or McCoy will be there in round 2.
by KDawg on Nov 11, 2009 5:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why?
Sp he can come in and suck just like the rest of the ones we have behind a line that can’t run block to save their lives?
by KDawg on Nov 9, 2009 5:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The lions need a right guard...
A LT that can start grooming under Backus… and the same for Raiola….
K smith does not impress me…. He needs to either get bigger/stronger, or get moved to the "complement’ back….
The Lions need a fast violent RB like Barber, Peterson, or Jackson.
by CLF on Nov 9, 2009 6:08 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not a single one of those guys you mentioned would be any better right now in Detroit
I would bet the farm on it. Our line does not sustain run blocks…..at all. The “lanes” that they do open collapse before Smith can even make it to the line of scrimmage. With no openings, where can he go? When he gets into space, he breaks off huge plays…..like the 31 yard run yesterday. I think too little credit is being given to Kevin Smith, and too much credit is being given to Peterman, Raiola, Ramirez, and Backus.
by KDawg on Nov 9, 2009 9:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
When he gets touched, he goes down.
Smith is not good at breaking tackles… a must in the NFL. (the players I mentioned in that regard)
As for the Oline… I think the guard position is the weakest. Peterman absolutely is the new weakest link…. unless his job is to let the player by…lol.
Whether or not they would be playing better is not for you nor I to say…. That ‘type’ of runner, I believe, would have more success behind a weaker line.
by CLF on Nov 10, 2009 7:51 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe.....
But even Adrian Peterson goes down when he has nowhere to run…..
by KDawg on Nov 10, 2009 4:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I like Smith........but........
My only concern is his “type” of runner was a guy who played in a zone-blocking scheme, both at UCF and last year here. That requires a guy with great vision and patience who can run laterally and shoot through a hole wherever it is, the second a hole opens up. He doesn’t really seem like a durable bruising power runner who can break tackles.
My take on Kevin Smith and Ernie Sims is the same…….good players, but do they fit our scheme anymore?
What? He can’t block a dead gopher? Humph, details.
by GRLion on Nov 10, 2009 8:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Stop Bullshitting!!!!!!!!!!!!
If we get a top 3 pick we gotta take Shu, Okung, McCoy or Cody….its that simple!
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by CapitolLions on Nov 9, 2009 3:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
as much as i live Eric Berry...we don't have the luxury of taking him
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by CapitolLions on Nov 9, 2009 3:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What luxury? Our secondary is god awful, except Delmas. A decent secondary is a necessity, not a luxury. If Eric Berry would improve our defense as much as any other defender on the board, I’d be fine with it.
I’d rather trade down though, and acquire more picks.
by n4ry4 on Nov 9, 2009 4:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We need a D line
With out a D line we could have the greatest secondary of all time, but if the qb is getting 7+ seconds to throw they will get picked apart every time
by lionfan4life on Nov 9, 2009 11:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
On the flip side
If our secondary can’t cover, then their QB doesn’t even need very long to throw.
Look at the Seattle game yesterday—lots of quick dump-offs where an elite pass rush would not have helped much and poor tackling by the secondary
by n4ry4 on Nov 10, 2009 9:13 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Man, a DL is much more important than another Safety..
I think Delmas will be one of those types that can help mask a tackling SS that is weaker in pass coverage…Ernie Sims anyone?
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by CapitolLions on Nov 10, 2009 4:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Very true.....
However, I think that we would draft Berry if the best LT and DT are already gone when we get a chance to pick.
by KDawg on Nov 10, 2009 4:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Too many teams need a QB
for Shu and Okung to be gone by the 3-5th pick
We will get one of them if we want them…
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by CapitolLions on Nov 10, 2009 4:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think we have to take Okung if he is there.....
by KDawg on Nov 10, 2009 4:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Schwartz doesn't want a SS that is weaker in pass coverage
He wants “Left and Right Safeties”. They both better be able to defend the pass. Berry would be ideal.
What? He can’t block a dead gopher? Humph, details.
by GRLion on Nov 10, 2009 8:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Anyone who takes up space on the O or D line I would like to draft
Someone with a personality, a KILLER and a rough, tough, strong big bodied person. This team needs to stop drafting “sexy” and start drafting “dirty”
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by NYCLionsfan on Nov 9, 2009 3:42 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Can we get someone who is dirty and sexy? And good at football?
by n4ry4 on Nov 9, 2009 4:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
HAHAHA!!
Those guys usually have “character issues”……good luck with our management drafting anyone who might have “character issues”.
by KDawg on Nov 9, 2009 5:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm referring to positions
For example: no drafting RB’s, WR, QB, etc.
DRAFT: DE, DT, LB, OG, LT
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by NYCLionsfan on Nov 9, 2009 6:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah.....
I definitely agree with that!
by KDawg on Nov 9, 2009 9:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Great
We agree on that KDawg and we respectfully disagree on the KSmith issue.
Fair enough!!!
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by NYCLionsfan on Nov 9, 2009 9:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Close minded thinking like that...
Is VERY Millen like. Good luck.
by CLF on Nov 10, 2009 7:52 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
NYC wants a different RB.....
But he thinks, and I agree, that we have far more pressing issues on the offensive and defensive lines than at running back.
by KDawg on Nov 10, 2009 4:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We should be able to a guy like Jake Sharpe or Harney Unga in the 3-4 rounds if you want a RB..
Maybe later..the draft is deep with average heavy RBs this year that can break tackles.
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by CapitolLions on Nov 10, 2009 4:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Harvey Unga I obviously meant!
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by CapitolLions on Nov 10, 2009 4:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't want a James Stewart revisted personally......
I like the more agile and faster running backs……guys like Adrian Peterson are rare. There is no Adrian Peterson in this draft, so I think drafting another running back is pointless. We need offensive and defensive linemen, and some corners.
by KDawg on Nov 10, 2009 4:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree and I think Felton can be your battering Ram if needed...
He lacks the vision but sure has the power
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by CapitolLions on Nov 10, 2009 4:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He is a beast who can get 3-4 yards up the middle.....
We don’t need our running backs to carry the team on big plays…..we just need consistency to keep the defense honest. I believe that if we had some consistent run blocking, we would have consistent production out of the backs that we have….which in turn would keep the defenses honest and not allow them to key on the pass (which is what killed us against Seattle). Seattle’s defense never once honored the play action passes after the first quarter…..and that is because they realized that they could stop our running game without stacking the box.
by KDawg on Nov 10, 2009 4:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
+100000000 KDawg
I’m with you there
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by NYCLionsfan on Nov 10, 2009 9:41 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Kdawg
I’d be happy with KSmith under a revamped OLine. I just don’t think he’s a premier RB in this league. Much more pressing needs for 2010. KSmith would be a 1000 back with a better line – that’s more than OK with me.
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by NYCLionsfan on Nov 10, 2009 9:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
lol..
It seems so long ago now, the arguments over Andre Smith and his character issues.
2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).
Zack Follett: he will hurt your mind.
by Hyperion Ecta on Nov 9, 2009 10:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And I still say Andre Smith will be a perenial pro bowler.....:o)
by KDawg on Nov 10, 2009 4:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I liked him
Still do.
What? He can’t block a dead gopher? Humph, details.
by GRLion on Nov 10, 2009 8:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Wouldn’t mind that either!!! LOL
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by NYCLionsfan on Nov 9, 2009 6:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Okung
everyone says draft defense but i think o-line is more important. If the lions want to get a DT there is a lot of depth at DT in this draft and peope aren’t talking about tht. The lions can get a second tier tackle if you call them and get an elite pro bowl caliber tackle which will really help them.
by David7 on Nov 9, 2009 7:54 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I agree.....
I think we can draft DTs in the 2nd to 4th rounds that will get a better pass rush than what we have now. I think just one more good, strong, athletic DT to compliment Sammie Hill would make a big difference…..
Unless Okung is drafted before we have a chance, I think the Lions really need to draft him.
by KDawg on Nov 9, 2009 9:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm thinking OT
Right now, but that will most likely change as I start researching prospects. DL and DB are also huge possibilities.
2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).
Zack Follett: he will hurt your mind.
by Hyperion Ecta on Nov 9, 2009 10:05 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
EXCUSE ME
Excuse me. What did I state in a prior post? Suh McCoy? Hello! Bashers! Hello!
I will take a second helping, thank you very much, Rolie!
by rbanner on Nov 9, 2009 10:17 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
You remind me of Randy Quaid’s character in Major League 2.
by lionfan4life on Nov 9, 2009 11:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
O-Line vs D-Line
Through 8 games, our pass rush and pass protection are almost exactly as bad as each other.
So which line needs more of an upgrade?
by n4ry4 on Nov 10, 2009 9:16 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
WAIT, let me fix my chart...
The rightmost column did not get sorted.
The rankings on Defense are correct, but the percentages need to be flipped.
by n4ry4 on Nov 10, 2009 9:18 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
WOW Green Bays pass protection is horrible...
Aaron Rodgers must be great!
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by CapitolLions on Nov 10, 2009 4:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I do love your charts n4ry4
2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).
Zack Follett: he will hurt your mind.
by Hyperion Ecta on Nov 10, 2009 9:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
your collumn description is weird...
Are you saying The Lion’s have an 8.31% chance of getting sacked on a passing play?
“Sacks allowed/ pass play”….is there a better way to describe it?
by CLF on Nov 10, 2009 9:33 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
I think it's saying the Lions give up a sack on 8.31% of pass plays
For example, if the Lions pass the ball 30 times in a game, the QB will be sacked around 2.5 times on average.
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by Sean Yuille on Nov 10, 2009 9:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And who posted
Suh or McCoy before this? HHHHHHMMMMM!!!!!!! C’mon Jazzy!
by rbanner on Nov 10, 2009 3:19 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Both Suh and McCoy have been common knowledge for anybody that follows college football even a little bit closely
It’s not like they just suddenly came out of nowhere.
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by Sean Yuille on Nov 10, 2009 4:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn;t call McCoy a high first round pick......
low first to high 2nd….
by KDawg on Nov 10, 2009 4:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think Cody is a better value than McCoy..
but Shu is the only one deserving of a top 10 pick honestly.
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by CapitolLions on Nov 10, 2009 4:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Suh is a one-man wrecking crew out there for Nebraska
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by Sean Yuille on Nov 10, 2009 4:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It was not rocket science
that is true. But these were the names posted when Jazzy asked me. I also think Okung and Bryant will be in the top 5, with the caveat that it is unknown who else will be available and who is healthy, etc.
by rbanner on Nov 10, 2009 6:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I certainly like Berry
better than Mays. I disagree with you about Cody and McCoy.
While I am not completely sold on Marquand, he did not have a bad year last year.
I certainly think of Berry as a top 10 talent (as we sit here today) but I just don’t see it as a need pick. I would feel better about it if he were a corner.
Something has to be done on those lines.
by rbanner on Nov 11, 2009 7:34 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I like Berry over Mays too.....if he declares......
I also see him as a top 10 pick if he declares, but like I said previously I do not see any DB worth a top 5 pick this year. Berry will likely be a top 5 pick if he declares, but only because he is a safety now and he is getting a ton of national media attention (IE Matt Stafford and countelss others…..Joey Harrington……etc (not saying they are of the same mold)). I haven’t seen much of Cody and McCoy, but what I have seen was not overly impressive. Suh, on the other hand, is a one man wrecking crew, just like Sean said.
I definitely agree that drafting Berry would not be in the best interest of need…..but if Okung and Suh are gone, supposedly Berry is the Calvin Johnson’s of safeties…..a can’t miss prospect (supposedly). If the Lions can’t get Okung or Berry in the top 5 (assuming that is where we end up), I can see them drafting Eric Berry as the BPA (according to their boards).
by KDawg on Nov 11, 2009 7:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Just re-read what I wrote.....
I really should proofread before I post…..“supposedly Berry is the Calvin Johnson’s of safeties” should read “supposedly Berry is the Calvin Johnson of safeties”.
by KDawg on Nov 11, 2009 7:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Another mistake.....
“If the Lions can’t get Okung or Berry in the top 5 (assuming that is where we end up), I can see them drafting Eric Berry as the BPA (according to their boards)” should read “If the Lions can’t get Okung or Suh in the top 5 (assuming that is where we end up), I can see them drafting Eric Berry as the BPA (according to their boards)”.
I am asleep at the wheel today…..
by KDawg on Nov 11, 2009 8:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Got a few months to go
and I would like to see how it all shakes out.
I like Suh over McCoy, as well, but I am not sure if he fits in as well, given that I have seen McCoy comparisons with Haynesworth.
One last thing, I suppose I should be happy Staff did not pass Detmer…LOL!
by rbanner on Nov 11, 2009 8:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Funny.....
When Detmer threw those 7 ints…..I e-mailed ESPN during one of the shows. They put my comment on TV. I said "Ty Detmer should never step foot on the football field as a QB in the NFL, EVER again. He should forever be known as “Clipboard Boy” for the remainder of his career".
It was one of the females on ESPN that thought my comment was funny…..I was shocked that they put it on TV.
I too am happy that Stafford did not break that record…..I think Detmer tied the NFl record for most INTs in a single game with that debacle.
by KDawg on Nov 11, 2009 8:49 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Grats!
What? He can’t block a dead gopher? Humph, details.
by GRLion on Nov 11, 2009 9:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
lol
5 seconds of fame…..Linda Cohn said my name…..“That’s funny Kale”.
I got a little kick out of it….but I was really just venting after a horrible Lion loss…..:o)
by KDawg on Nov 11, 2009 9:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No....it wasn't Linda Cohn.....
I can’t think of her name, but she was younger…..
by KDawg on Nov 11, 2009 9:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Suzy "I'd just like to kiss you" Kolber?
Not exactly one of the great moments in sports.
by rbanner on Nov 12, 2009 9:53 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
With so many terrible teams...
is it possible to start petitioning for a Rookie Salary Cap in 2010?
I can’t think of a single thing that would be more important to improve the Lions chances for rebuilding successfully. Owners would love it. Players are not against it.
by jimoska on Nov 11, 2009 12:22 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Roll the videotape!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ho0N4LPxbKM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpU4gIwnrgY
What? He can’t block a dead gopher? Humph, details.
by GRLion on Nov 11, 2009 8:34 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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