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The Monday Morning Microscope: Week 9

Detroit Lions quarterback Matthew Stafford leaves the field after throwing an interception that was returned for a touchdown by Seattle Seahawks' Josh Wilson in the fourth quarter during an NFL football game Sunday, Nov. 8, 2009, in Seattle. The Seahawks won 32-20. (AP Photo/Elaine Thompson)

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11 days ago: Detroit Lions quarterback Matthew Stafford leaves the field after throwing an interception that was returned for a touchdown by Seattle Seahawks' Josh Wilson in the fourth quarter during an NFL football game Sunday, Nov. 8, 2009, in Seattle. The Seahawks won 32-20. (AP Photo/Elaine Thompson)

First of all let me say, regardless of the loss, it was good to see Lions football on my TV again.  Because of the blackout and bye week, it had been three weeks since I'd seen a game.  I'll always enjoy game day - even if it ends in a loss.  There is nothing like that hopeful feeling that always seeps in, even when you know the likely outcome.  That said, no matter how long they lose, I will never get used to it.  Each one brings the same frustration, just new circumstances.  Monday mornings after losses are for level-setting and re-adjusting expectations.  So what am I feeling today?  Well, I think that this team is what it is... that being a very bad roster that is really counting heavily on its young players to save the day.  So when the rookies shine, the Lions shine.  When they don't, well... the Lions look miserable.  That's why we get such stark contrasts, not only week to week, but sometimes quarter to quarter.  Rookies are inconsistent at best.  When the Lions get a few lucky breaks and a little momentum, things can look good.  That can be deceiving, though.  The bottom line is that every team can look good when the opponent is making mistakes, but only the good teams rebound and sustain play into the fourth quarter.  

Star-divide

Let me expound on that last sentence.  Just because things go well for a while doesn't make you a good team.  Every team in the league has things go against them at times.  But the real difference between teams in the NFL is that good teams with good talent play well for an entire game and can overcome those mistakes.  Bad teams that make mistakes get blown out.  When evenly talented teams meet, most times the lucky breaks can be the difference between winning and losing.  It's just the way of the NFL.  The sad fact is that the Lions don't have the talent to play well for an entire game.  They are one of the bad teams that cannot afford to make any mistakes.  The lucky breaks only last so long and the result is a mirage.  Yesterday, it was more about Seattle's mistakes and us having a short field than it was about us being a good football team in the first quarter.  Sure, we made some good plays, but we simply don't have the talent on either side of the ball to sustain anything. 

At the most basic level, it comes down to match-ups.  The Lions against their opponents, man to man, individual position to individual position, each and every Sunday, is a mismatch.  Whether it's a defensive end against a tackle, receiver against a corner or center against defensive tackle, the Lions almost always have the weaker player.  The opponents are usually just a little bit stronger, a little bit faster, a little more seasoned or a little more confident.  The problem is simply talent, folks.  Nothing is going to fix this team except a few more years of good drafting and picking up a few quality free agents along the way.  For now, we'll just have to sit back and look for signs of progress from the young players, enjoy the good plays when we get them and hope that things can come together for four straight quarters one or two more times again this year.  I'm not being pessimistic, just realistic.  I think we've seen enough to call this what it is... a rebuilding year, pure and simple.  I still think that we have a good core group of young players, regardless of what they did yesterday. 

 

Thoughts About the Game:

  • As usual, I'll start with Stafford's performance. Five interceptions are ugly no matter what way you slice it and it was a miserable last three quarters for him. He is the quarterback and therefore, takes the bulk of the blame offensively. I won't make any excuses for his decision making and lack of execution. You could say he's just a young player trying to make plays. That's true, but aside from the last pick, the team was never down more than 8 points. You have to stay poised. You have to be smart. He'll learn the hard way that you can't give games away like this. I will say that the blame is not solely on Stafford, however. On more than one of those picks, it looked like a receiver was not where he was supposed to be. It's just not a good offense right now. They have to learn to execute as a team. The old Tampa Bay Buccaneers coach John McKay said it best, when he was then referring to his abysmal '76 Bucs. When asked what he thought about his team's execution, McKay replied, "I'm all for it." That pretty much sums up the Lions' offense as well.

  • Calvin Johnson did not look like himself yesterday. He looked like he is still suffering the effects of the injury. I think by the time the 1st quarter ended, the Seahawks knew this. They remained focused on the run game and contained the Lions' passing attack with minimal personnel. He needs to be the dominant player he can be to pull this offense from the doldrums.
  • I still think Kevin Smith's lack of running lanes has much more to do with the awful play by the offensive line than with his running ability. I can't count how many times the lanes were closed before he even got to the line of scrimmage. I'd love to put him behind a great line for a few games and really see if he explodes. I bet he would. He runs as hard or harder than any back in Lions' history. I'll go on record right now by saying that I won't complain one bit if the Lions take a tackle with their top pick next year. Hold me accountable for that, guys.
  • Special teams are still a disaster. Just too many damn leaks. Players bunching up in the center of the field, no decent returns and sieve-like blocking. Not sure it's going to get any better this year. I think it's a matter of collective prayer and finger-crossing any time this unit is on the field.
  • Defensively, it was once again a hodge-podge, lackluster performance. A few good plays, sprinkled with loss of containment, missed tackles and blown assignments. By the way, can any of our corners tackle? I mean, there was just some plain wuss-bag tackling going on out there by Buchanon, James and Hobbs, to be specific. Man up. Gunther's gonna hand out a good old-fashioned passionate ass whooping to those guys at practice this week. But that's the discouraging part... if these guys can't tackle at this level, no amount of weekly practice is going to help. If we Lions fans have learned anything, it's that you can't get more out of a player than he is capable. If he is a free agent that has suspect tackling, he will be a Lion with suspect tackling. No coaching change is going to matter enough to make an impact. So we are stuck until next year with this mess.
  • Did anyone but me notice that Ernie Sims was pretty much invisible when he was on the field for most of the day? But as soon as he got hurt, I saw Levy making plays all over the place. Look, I wasn't one of the guys calling for Sims to be traded. I think he's still a good player and is playing hurt right now. But even I can't deny Levy's impact anymore. I believe that - since the season is pretty much officially in the tank (can anyone object at 1-7?) - Levy should take over as the starter for the rest of the season. Let Ernie get healthy and let the two of them duke it out over the position next year. I think Levy could be special and as much as I like Ernie, we need to find out if that is the case. If by the end of the season you think he's the real deal, you then have options. If Foote bolts via free agency, you could move Levy to MLB. If Foote is resigned (which I desperately hope is the case), you can either trade Sims or keep him as a back-up, albeit an expensive one. There is also the option of moving to a 3-4 defensive scheme and keep both Levy and Foote in the middle and see how Ernie does in a pass-rushing role (or vice-versa). Although neither really fits the mold of a traditional 3-4 OLB, they are both very fast and it might simplify the game for Sims.

It's that time of the year when we all pretty much know what this season is and what is to be anticipated.  I think most of us expected this, but had hoped for a miracle.  Well, the hope for that miracle is all but gone, but there is still hope for the future and that is now officially what we are playing for.  I know that seems to be a perennial theme, but with so many young players getting time, this year is a little different.  I for one, will enjoy simply leaving any and all expectations at the door and watch solely for progress and entertainment.  Forget wins and losses... they are irrelevant now.  I will be watching for more sequences like the one yesterday when Delmas picked off Hasselbeck, then Stafford threw the TD pass to Pettigrew to cap it off.  That was progress, regardless of what followed. 

As for the Stafford haters... hate on.  Your insults and bust predictions will have absolutely no impact on what he will become, so keep blowing your hot air at any and all brick walls around you.  Stafford is a 21 year old rookie on a very bad team.  He is measured in progress and potential right now.  There will come a day when we can label him boom or bust, but right now - even after a five interception game - those labels are moot.  Me personally... I still believe wholeheartedly that he was the right choice and will eventually lead the Lions to the post-season and perennial contention. 

Go Lions!

 

Edit:  Guys, I will be on vacation for the next two weeks, so there won't be a MMM again until Nov. 30th.  I know, I know... this disappoints you all greatly.  Actually, I thought I could hear the faint sound of cheering and applause, lol.  Anyway, there are a few deer in the U.P. that need a bullet.  Sorry if that sounds barbaric.... but it's true.

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expected more out of stafford

im not labeling him a bust or anything, but from his progression i saw through the first five starts, I thought he would have had a much better game than he did.

This is one week, where I can’t really put the blame on the WRs. ya, there were a few dropped passes, but every NFL game has that, so thats not something to complain about.

it also killed to see Josh Freeman and Bucs play the game they did, and see staff hand the game over to the seahawks :(

The beginning of the end of the misery

by latif on Nov 9, 2009 3:03 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Stafford was very disappointing yesterday

And his performance makes it very difficult to defend him……however, I agree with you that it is too early to label the kid a bust. The personnel surrounding him is pathetic. I say give it time.

I would not be against trading Ernie Sims during the draft next year. I think a change of scenery would not only do him some good, but also it could help us greatly if we can get a high enough draft pick out of him to add to an area where we are really hurting. It seems odd to say that we are pretty solid at LB, and I guess it remains to be seen if we will re-sign Peterson and Foote. However, if we could ink those two to 3 or 4 year deals, I think that we could afford to shop Sims with the emergence of Levy. If we could get a high 2nd or a low 1st for Sims, I would be happy with that. We need defensive linemen, offensive linemen, corners, and safties much more than we need both Levy and Sims if Foote and Peterson stay. There are not enough high draft picks for us to get all that we need next year, so any extra high picks would be useful.

I honestly believe that we would be much better off on offense if we could get some linemen who can sustain both run and pass blocks. If we had decent run blocking, we could establish a running game that would take pressure off of Stafford and the WRs. Did you notice how poorly any of the play action plays worked yesterday? I did, and I chalk that up to the fact that our line is horrible at run blocking and selling the play action. If they could actually open some lanes on running plays on a consistent basis, then maybe when they fired off the line on play action passes it would draw the linebackers in and fool the opposing defensive linemen sometimes. Yes, I still think we need another WR that can catch, as relying on Fitzsimmons or Heller to get the job done is proving to be fruitless, but I really think that BJ did a good job yesterday. With CJ on the field, BJ gets many more 1 on 1 situations and he makes plays…..same with Pettigrew.

I also agree with you about Kevin Smith. He is getting a bad rap from some fans, but I believe it is unwarranted. The offensive line is to blame for Smith’s failures. Special teams is atrocious, and I also think it is time to replace Kwan (although I am not sure a new coach matters much with the obvious lack of talent). No pass rush is killing us….did you notice what happened when we actually did get pressure on Hasselbeck? He threw bad passes and incomplete passes…..when he had time, he was able to easily pick apart our lackluster defensive backfield. Delmas is our only bright spot there. However, I truly believe that if we drafted some guys who could put pressure on opposing QBs, our woes at CB would be lessened. I think that 3rd and 4th round corners could look outstanding if we had high round defensive tackles in place that can get a push in the middle.

In conclusion, until we make improvements in the trenches we will be mired in hopelessness. This goes back to my thoughts that things must begin on the lines…..good teams are built from the inside out, not the outside in.

by KDawg on Nov 9, 2009 3:06 PM EST reply actions   2 recs

Thank you.

For making my post so much shorter. I agree 100% with all of this.

The only thing I would waffle on would be the trading of Sims. While I’m extremely impressed with Levy so far, one thing that should be painfully obvious to everyone at this point is how thin this team is with talent. Without knowing the precise financial impact, I would be inclined to keep Sims and Levy…it certainly can’t hurt from a depth stand point.

by Mushy on Nov 9, 2009 3:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Reaching the tipping point on Sims

I definitely noticed Sims once again being invisible and Levy making plays. I’d like to see us resign Foote. I don’t want to just give Sims away, though. I don’t know if we can get a 1st or 2nd round pick for him……if we can’t, I’d rather keep him if we can afford it. Players get hurt (as we’ve seen), and depth is nice to have.

What? He can’t block a dead gopher? Humph, details.

by GRLion on Nov 10, 2009 5:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Oh wow!!

Read your post KDawg after I posted!!! You have it exactly right……….sorry for copying your thoughts but I am with you 100000% in your assesment.

I spray paint my dog Honolulu Blue and Silver

Pic - me and the great Herman Moore

by NYCLionsfan on Nov 9, 2009 3:17 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm right there with you...

in building the trenches, KDawg. I know it doesn’t seem like that’s my mindset, because I championed so hard for Stafford, but I think that’s the next step in the Lion’s recovery. Had we already had a good quarterback, there’s no question I would have wanted a tackle in last year’s draft. I won’t apologize for wanting Stafford, though. If a good young quarterback is there and you need one, take him. I think you heard that enough from me in last year’s draft! This year, if all players at the top are equal, I say DE, T, DT… in that order.

The thing to prepare for in next year’s draft is Mayhew’s obvious penchant for taking best player available. There are still so many holes, that I can see him bypassing a strong need to take a “better” overall player. This might be frustrating come draft day, but I think that he has shown enough to warrant a pass from me on draft day.

As for trading Sims… why not. I’m not sure we’ll get much higher than a 3rd or 4th for him, though. He hasn’t exactly lit it up in a long time. If a third is the best we can get, would we still trade him? Hmmm… not sure about that one.

by DrewsLions on Nov 9, 2009 4:22 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

That's a tough one Drew....

Sims was a first round pick…..but he was also one of “he who shall not be named’s” picks. He was awesome at first…..but is he still the same guy we drafted? What if it is a high 3rd and 4th round pick? I might be tempted, however I am with you in that I would be hard pressed to trade him for less than a solid 2nd round pick….and being that he is still young, I truly would hope that they push for a first rounder.

by KDawg on Nov 9, 2009 5:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The 9th overall pick in the 2006 draft to be precise.....

He has to be worth more than just a third rounder……if a 2nd and a 3rd were offered, I think I would take it. He may be out for the rest of the season with the hamstring injury too…..it is up in the air at this point.

http://www.detnews.com/article/20091109/SPORTS0101/911090415/1361/Injury-to-Ernie-Sims-could-be—fairly-significant-

by KDawg on Nov 9, 2009 5:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not optimistic what we could get for him

He’s underachieved for a former #9 overall pick, he has four years of wear & tear on him, which is considerable for an “undersized” guy at a physical position like LB, and he’s starting to run into injury trouble.

I just don’t think many teams would want to give up a 2nd or 3rd-round pick for somebody like Sims, when they could draft a younger, healthier, bigger LB with a lot of upside who fits their scheme a little better in those rounds (somebody like DeAndre Levy, who we got in the bottom half of the third round).

It’s easy to expect too much value for a player, especially after the swindle we pulled for Roy Williams—but who knows? Maybe Mayhew can work his magic again.

by n4ry4 on Nov 10, 2009 10:32 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Sims is a cover 2 linebacker.....

With excellent speed…..plus he is usually a pretty solid tackler in addition to his ability to cover. In my opinion, he just does not fit our system anymore, at least as well as Levy seems to. I think there could be a great deal of interest in him, and I would not be surprised to get some decent draft picks for him from some needy team.

by KDawg on Nov 10, 2009 3:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, I've been wondering too if he is a good fit anymore

I’m not yet convinced we can get higher than a 3 for him, though. If we’re offered a 1 or a 2, IMO, grab it. If the best offer is a 3 or lower, keep him for depth, and make him play special teams, too.

What? He can’t block a dead gopher? Humph, details.

by GRLion on Nov 10, 2009 5:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Forsett

We should have had him covering Forsett or Jones in the flat or screens. Man those guys were killing me, they must have had a dozen or more catches out there all alone and burned up field everytime for big chunks.

by lionsfan64 on Nov 10, 2009 6:49 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Lions

Dude you are one helluva fan!!!and it’s awsome.. i agree with almost everything u said…i jst dnt like stafford. i would have let him sit the whole year behind D-Cup and Stanton b4 even takin a snap…but thats jst me so hopefully stafford gets better and someday we will all have something to cheer about and all the lions haters will finally shut the f*uck up! GO LIONS!!!!!

by sasapoof69 on Nov 9, 2009 3:09 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I wanted Culpepper before the season

But after seeing Culpepper play after Stafford was injured, it is clear that Stafford gives us the best chance to win.

Yes, he’s going to make a lot of mistakes, but he is more decisive and has a whole lot more upside at this point than our other two QB’s

by n4ry4 on Nov 9, 2009 4:02 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Stanton really didn't (and hasn't) get a chance......

But I generally agree with you n4ry4…..I too wanted DC to start the season and Stafford to learn from the sidelines. When the kid got in the game and made several beautiful passes, showed poise and leadership ability, and remained composed when he failed…..he changed my mind. He has great potential, and it seems that not only does he give us the best chance to win now, but also he is gaining experience on the field that may prove invaluable in years to come.

by KDawg on Nov 9, 2009 5:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i really wanted the front office to see what stanton had

before drafting staff … i am really dissappointed he has not had a chance…there must be something in practices we don’t get to see…if he could build up his stamina he could easily be a very athletic weapon at qb…i just hope he gets his shot

by londonlion on Nov 12, 2009 6:58 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Glad to see the MM Microscope instead of the Telescope

I too watched the game and agree with most everything you say in your post Drew.

I just hope one thing happens after this year:

WE START BUILDING THIS TEAM FROM THE INSIDE OUT.

I don’t want anymore sexy pics at sexy positions. I want DT’s, LG’s, LT’s and the like. I think Schwartz will do that………..its tough when your"drafting for talent" like we were last year but now I really just want good solid players on both lines. I think Mayhew and Schwartz will recognize that and hopefully get it done through the draft and FA.

I spray paint my dog Honolulu Blue and Silver

Pic - me and the great Herman Moore

by NYCLionsfan on Nov 9, 2009 3:16 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Dont be to quick to annoint Josh Freeman..

I am still much more on board with Stafford that if we hard Josh

http://cmufootball.blogspot.com/

by CapitolLions on Nov 9, 2009 3:32 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Man, that picture of Stafford

…pretty much sums up my Sunday.

I’m with most of you on all the points brought up. Though I have to say, K Smith is starting to worry me. I’ll be the first person to criticize the offensive line, and they deserve a lot of the blame, but I saw Smith miss some obvious lanes on critical downs. There was one 3rd and 1 that comes into mind (first drive of the game?) where Smith bounced it outside when he clearly could’ve put his head down and picked up at least 3.

Now one play like that isn’t going to put Smith in the doghouse for me, but if it becomes a trend, its a little too hard to ignore. Just like the fact that he’s averaging 3.3 a carry to Mo Mo’s 4.2. Again, I"m gonna give Smith some time, because MoMo only has 30 carries this season, and it’s probably unlikely he’d keep that up getting the workload like Smith, but I’m not going to completely ignore it, eitehr.

Read my Lions analysis at: http://www.studyofsports.com/?cat=142

by simscity on Nov 9, 2009 4:06 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Right on.

Hey Lions Fans…my first ever comment here. As a guy who regularly drives form the west side of the state to take in a game (big investment!) I’ve got two quick comments:

1. If you’re a fan you stick with your team…which is why I appreciate this forum.
2. I am with ya’ll here…you’ve gotta take the positives and not just make this a W or L assessment this year. I just look at the guys brought in this year whether draft or free agency and I say the new regime finally knows what it’s doing. I really think we’re on the way to a team we can rely on for something other than falling short.

Go Lions!

by joelschoontanis on Nov 9, 2009 4:17 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Hey, Joel....

welcome to the site. You’re right. You’ve got to look at progress as the indicator. With the current talent level, the win-loss column was always going to be stacked to the right. Moments and glimpses of the future is what we have to be looking for. Otherwise, we become mired in hopelessness.

Look forward to more of your posts and comments.

by DrewsLions on Nov 9, 2009 4:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Welcome to the Pride!

2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).
Zack Follett: he will hurt your mind.

by Hyperion Ecta on Nov 9, 2009 9:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Welcome!

Good comments!

It’s nice to win games this year, but realistically, we’re building a franchise here. That’s the measure of success, not W’s and L’s this year. You seem to get it. Good perspective.

What? He can’t block a dead gopher? Humph, details.

by GRLion on Nov 10, 2009 5:44 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

+1

Never been a huge KSmith fan – and according to MLive the Lions are a little worried about him too. I was a HUGE Kevin Jones fan (still think he’s better than KSmith though oft injured unfortunately)

Check out Killer’s take on the subject

http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2009/11/is_lions_coach_jim_schwartz_pl.html

I spray paint my dog Honolulu Blue and Silver

Pic - me and the great Herman Moore

by NYCLionsfan on Nov 9, 2009 4:18 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Killer's post both supports and contradicts your argument.....

Killer’s opinion (which is idiotic a lot of the time) is a pretty stark opposite to that of our head coach……so who do you believe? Killer or the guy who knows what is going on behind closed doors? I myself believe that Killer doesn’t know his ass from a hole in the ground…..

The only intelligent thing I drew from Killer in that article is this:

Smith helped the cause Sunday with 67 rushing yards on 13 carries (a 5.2-yard average), including a 31-yard run.

by KDawg on Nov 9, 2009 5:40 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Tom Kowalski

Has no clue what the other Lion’s players are thinking or how they feel…..the rest of his “article” is complete and utter speculation…..from a boring journalistic viewpoint.

by KDawg on Nov 9, 2009 5:45 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Tom Kowalski

Doesn’t know his ass from a hole in the ground…..he has no clue what the other Lion’s players are thinking or feeling. The remainder of his “article”, other than the blockquote above, is pure unadulterated speculation, from a boring journalistic viewpoint.

by KDawg on Nov 9, 2009 5:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Killer

Has no clue what the rest of the Lion’s players think or how they feel…..the entirety of his “article”, with the exception of the blockquote above, was pure unadulterated speculation, from a boring journalistic viewpoint.

by KDawg on Nov 9, 2009 5:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Just saying

The Lions players are even a little tired of KSmith talking like he’s Emmit Smith or Barry Sanders. He isn’t. He’s not a premier back. I like him but and his attitude but he’s not a superstar running back.

I spray paint my dog Honolulu Blue and Silver

Pic - me and the great Herman Moore

by NYCLionsfan on Nov 9, 2009 6:08 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

How the hell do you know?

He has never even had a line as good as Barry had, let alone anywhere near that of Emmit Smith’s……EVER!

by KDawg on Nov 9, 2009 8:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree but

he talks a hell of a lot more than both Emmit or Barry ever did. If I were on the Lions I would want him to shut up as well.

I spray paint my dog Honolulu Blue and Silver

Pic - me and the great Herman Moore

by NYCLionsfan on Nov 9, 2009 9:34 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

lol

Emmit Smith was the mouth of the south (even rivaling the great Jimmy Hart) when he was in Dallas. His mouth never stopped running…..

Barry was quiet, humble, calm, cool, and collected…..the epitome of perfection in the let your actions do the talking variety.

Kevin Smith has been flamboyant….there is no argument there. However, his mouth and his attitude are not the reasons for his lack of production. His offensive line’s lack of ability is the reason.

by KDawg on Nov 10, 2009 3:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Monday Night Football

I loved it when we played Dallas at Dallas i think, Emmit had something like 50 yards and Barry was closer to 200, fricken awesome.

by lionsfan64 on Nov 10, 2009 6:52 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Not even close to being correct

Barry had 194. Emmitt had 143.

by rbanner on Nov 10, 2009 8:43 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Correct

September 19th, 1994…..Monday Night Football in Dallas…..Lions won 20-17 in overtime.

by KDawg on Nov 11, 2009 1:05 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Nice read

I agree with your thoughts except for the end where I think you got a little more poetic than realistic. When you spoke of Stafford haters, hating on and how their opinion will have no bearing on Stafford’s sucess.

Unfortunately that is incorrect. I forget his name, but I was listening to the male half of the Sports Nation show on ESPN on his radio show a week or so ago and he was talking about how the best teams have one thing in common- He said they have without a doubt the most passionate fans that support their team. He spoke of the Yankees, the Red Sox, the Packers, Eagles, N.Y. Giants, Dallas Cowboys etc. All have huge fan bases that support their team.

The Lions fans in large part have a huge impact on the mental state of our team. When they brown bag Stafford druing home games of his rookie season, boo him, call him a bum and a bust after fighting back from getting his knee mangled from one of the endless line of unblocked D-lineman, do you think that encourages him? If it does it takes a special person. Some people thrive off of being called a bum because it makes them want to prove you wrong. On this flip side, when your own fan base does it to you, it comes as a surprise I would think. I bet Stafford is effected by things just like Joey Harrington was. You don’t think he was effected?

Lions fans may be passionate, but they as a whole complete the self-fulfilling prophecy by booing their saviors, throwing tomatoes at their hero’s, wearing paper bags over their heads, instead of roaring when the opposition has posession on offense.

Heard of home field advantage? Detroit isn’t known for that, even thought we play in a dome and it should be loud.

by FelixWigg on Nov 9, 2009 4:34 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

My poetic wax didn't melt

I actually took into consideration all of what you said before I wrote what I did. My point is that Stafford is not fragile like Harrington was. Stafford will only bust because he’s not capable, not because he can’t take the heat and ire of the fans. Matt Stafford has been in the hot seat and the limelight his entire career – since he was a little kid. He knows pressure and knows how to beat it. The cure for him playing poorly is time, experience, practice and better talent around him. Because a bunch of morons want to boo him shouldn’t make a lick of difference. If it does… we drafted the wrong guy.

by DrewsLions on Nov 9, 2009 4:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

stafford loves to play

My one overarching observation of Stafford is that he loves to play football. That may seem like a stupid observation but I think it is significant. It’s what will make the difference and why he’s the real deal. I think we’ll all be celebrating great plays in the future. And it’s why I’ll stick by him as a fan.

by joelschoontanis on Nov 10, 2009 9:50 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

+1....................much better than rob johnson

i believe he is the one who said…where i come from…there are more important things than football…thank god staff loves the game

by londonlion on Nov 12, 2009 7:01 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What those teams have in common.......

…….is they are in larger markets than the Lions (except for the Packers), and all of them had a history of success. Chicken and the egg. My suspicion is the teams are not sucessful because they have a lot of fans. Rather, I suspect those teams have a lot of fans because they are in large markets and had success. It’s all about causality…..and bandwagon-jumping.

What? He can’t block a dead gopher? Humph, details.

by GRLion on Nov 10, 2009 5:54 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

The Red Sox are a good example

Even with a long drought between World Series wins, they often had winning teams and made the playoffs. During this period, they had a large fan base. Then they won a couple World Series, and their fan base exploded…..it’s now huge. Causality. Bandwagon-jumpers.

What? He can’t block a dead gopher? Humph, details.

by GRLion on Nov 10, 2009 5:59 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

They were who we thought they were

It baffles me at the rate at which people jump ship after a few plays. One play Staff is awesome (throws a touchddown)… The next his awful (five picks). I never wanted Stafford in the first place, but in all fairness the kid is a gem. The entire offensive line except Cherilus needs to get replaced. Yes I said it! including Raiola. What good are they if they can’t block anything. That O-line is just plain ATROCIOUS. Just do some film study, they haven’t pancaked anyone all season. Now you know why Smith, Stafford, and Culpepper get hurt on a fairly consistent basis. No time to do anyting.

Additionally, our special teams coach is due for the axe so is the strength and conditioning coach.

The same goes for the defense. We better draft Terrence Cody and Nkam Dug to clog up that middle else it would be the same old story and draft some corners too. As for Sims, His too small to play OLB! His best choice is to move to MLB or get traded to Tampa Bay or any cover 2 scheme. We have our OLBs for the future in LEVY n FOLLET. by the way we need a decent left end.

For the record, Kevin Smith is a STUD. Just give him a line to open holes for him and he will do the rest. Even if you bring AP to detroit, I assure you, with our line play, he will be on IR before the end of his first game. There’s a reason minnesota spent $49 million in wooing Steve Hutchinson.

by Nomizee on Nov 9, 2009 4:34 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

You guys got to stop with the KSmith is a stud

He isn’t. He’s a serviceable running back in the NFL.

I spray paint my dog Honolulu Blue and Silver

Pic - me and the great Herman Moore

by NYCLionsfan on Nov 9, 2009 6:07 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i agree

he is a very solid back, but he lacks the speed a “STUD” would have

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by latif on Nov 9, 2009 6:51 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I wouldn't call anything between 4.4 and 4.6 slow......

Not many guys run a sub 4.4 40 yard dash…..and those that do (like Chris Johnson) are few and far between. Kevin Smith ran a 4.53 40 at the 2008 NFL Combine……and ran between 4.4 and 4.49 at his pro day……

He is a workhorse and he is deceptively fast. Not only that but he possesses rare agility and vision that we do not get to see him use because his offensive line can’t block a team of senior citizens from the Alzheimer’s ward at the local nursing home.

He has not gained any weight since his pro day…..and I would beg to differ if you want to argue that he has already lost a step. Get off his nuts and realize that he is not the problem.

by KDawg on Nov 9, 2009 9:03 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

KDawg

I’m saying he’s not a PREMIER running back – not that he’s not good but not a PREMIER running back. Workhorse, 20 carry guy, etc. yes I will give you that.

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by NYCLionsfan on Nov 9, 2009 9:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

didnt say he was a problem

heck, he is one of the few solid pieces that we have to build around, but he obviously is no chris johnson or adrian peterson, nor do i expect him to be.

i guess it depends on your definition of a “stud”. mine is guys like perterson, and johnson

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by latif on Nov 10, 2009 1:05 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

How many "premier stud" running backs are in the NFL??

And what makes them “premier stud” backs?

Can either one of you honestly say that you think Adrian Peterson or Chris Johnson would be just as successful in Detroit right now as they are with their respective teams currently?? I can guarantee you, it is very much like the comparisons between Barry Sanders and Emmit Smith, as to which was the better back. You put Emmit Smith in Detroit at the time that Barry was there, and put Barry in Dallas behind the line that Emmit Smith had, and Barry Sanders sets every NFL record known to man for running backs. There is no doubt about it in my mind!

Put Kevin Smith behind Minnesota’s offensive line right now, and he would look like the stud that he can be…..guaranteed.

by KDawg on Nov 10, 2009 3:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Chris Johnson is a different story

He possesses world class speed……which allows him to get to holes faster and get to the outside space faster than any other back in the NFL. His speed is to his success as Barry’s vision and agility were to his success. Running backs with those types of qualities, which allow them to be great even behind a mediocre line, ARE RARE! Yes, AP was a sub 4.4 back out of college too……but does he still run sub 4.4? I don’t believe so. Johnson is a “premier stud” running back because he has something that nobody else in the NFL possesses…..he is the fastest man in the league! Peterson is a “premier stud” because he is extremely strong, and very fast too…..when he gets to full speed! His line allows him to reach full speed by consistently run blocking and developing their blocks on running plays! What happens to Adrian Peterson when his blocks fail to develop? He gets dropped in the backfield (we saw the Lions drop him behind the line several times).

Even Chris Johnson’s speed can not save him all of the time…..Tennessee’s offensive line is far superior to ours when it comes to run blocking as well! Even though that is true, sometimes Johnson still gets tackled for a loss because he has nowhere to go! If either Peterson or Johnson were playing for the Lions, they would see far less success because of the fact that our offensive line sucks at run blocking!

by KDawg on Nov 10, 2009 3:28 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

My point is this.....

Being a “premier stud” running back is not all based on speed, size, or strength…..in fact I would say that those things only contribute to a running back’s greatness in a minor capacity. If your offensive line is poor at opening lanes, sustaining blocks, and allowing plays to develop, then it doesn’t matter how fast you are, how big you are, or how strong you are…..you are going to fail!

I think Kevin Smith has what it takes to be a “premier stud” running back in this league…..his potential has gone unrealized thus far, however, as the guys blocking for him can not get the job done. Give Smith an offensive line that is good at opening lanes, sustaining blocks, and allowing plays to develop, and Kevin Smith will be a top 5 back in this league.

by KDawg on Nov 10, 2009 3:32 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

i think

aaron kampman is unhappy in the new 3-4 scheme in green bay. i wouldnt mind him in honolulu blue and silver.

by bighitter5 on Nov 9, 2009 4:51 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I will cheer to that

Aaron Kampman would loook Alll- pro like in honolulu blue and silver.

by Nomizee on Nov 9, 2009 4:53 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

What's his contract status?

I’d love to get a DE of his talent level, but I’d worry that we’d have to trade a lot of picks for someone like him.

by n4ry4 on Nov 9, 2009 5:00 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Contract Information for Aaron Kampman

 According to www.rotoworld.com

Aaron Kampman (3/14/2006) Signed a four-year, $21 million contract.
The deal contains $12 million guaranteed, including an $8 million signing bonus.
2009: $3.9 million.

2010: Free Agent
 

by Nomizee on Nov 9, 2009 5:04 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

if kampman is an FA next year

he is signing somewhere other than the lions. An elite level player like him has very few reasons to come to Detroit

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by latif on Nov 9, 2009 5:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Kampmann will come if we position ourselves properly

similar examples, Haynesworth, Favre, Jason Taylor,……

by Nomizee on Nov 9, 2009 5:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

ya that means

paying him sh**t loads of $$$$$.
even then, redskins were a pretty decent team that haynesworth went to, same with jason taylor going back to the dolphins, and favre to the vikes

if we can be a 6-10 team this year, then ya we have some shot of landing kampman or another elite DE (merriman is also out there), but 6-10 is highly unlikely

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by latif on Nov 9, 2009 5:21 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

regardless we have to try

how much is this money we are talking about. If anyone told you the lions would get a 1 &3 for roy williams would you believe it. besides, merriman does not fit out scheme.

by Nomizee on Nov 9, 2009 5:26 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

definately

we gotta try, but im sayin the chances of him being in blue and silver are very low. kampman has a rep as one of the best DEs in the league, and hes getting older, so i would think that would go to a contender rather than a team in a rebuilding phase

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by latif on Nov 9, 2009 5:29 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Vee Vant ze money Lebowski, or vee cutoff yo chonson!!

by n4ry4 on Nov 10, 2009 7:36 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Must do to even have a shot next year

Here’s what I think about offseason moves which we need to make in order to improve:
Defense: I dont think Foote will be going anywhere. I think he’ll take an extended deal. Peterson is the big question mark. Assuming he stays, we have nothing to worry about at LB, with Dizon, Levy and Follett coming up. What we absolutely must do imediately is get rid of Buchanon and Henry. Keep James and Faggins (and maybe Hobbs, although that’s subject to change) and draft or trade for corners. The safeties should improve with better corners; Delmas and Simpson seem good and Manuel is so-so. The line should improve with the return of DeVries but just to be safe, draft or sign another UFA Dlineman.
Offense: Peterman and Cherilus are keepers; but the rest seem sub par. Three is too much to ask all in one offseason when you have that whole defense to be overhauled (again) but any new face on the left side should work wonders. I dont know what to do about Culpepper, if we get a good enough deal he may be good trade bait, but I doub any team would go for him.
Special Teams: Kwan: out. Improvement: in.

by NK14 on Nov 9, 2009 5:06 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

agree with most of it

I dont think DeVries is gonna make a big difference. I think we need two to three new starters on the line (not saying we get them all next year). We gotta replace Grady Jackson with someone, who is more of a pass-rushing threat, and I think we need to trade away Dwyane White…hes not producing nearly as much as he’s getting paid.

As far as o-line, we need a new LT. I hope a guy like Marcus McNeil signs as a FA (most likely wont happen), LG: we can either draft or get a FA. Raila, Cherilus, and Peterman are solid.

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by latif on Nov 9, 2009 5:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Marcus McNeil was a guy I was screaming for us to pick on Draft Day

Yeah, unlikely we get him in the offseason as a FA. Too bad.

What? He can’t block a dead gopher? Humph, details.

by GRLion on Nov 10, 2009 6:11 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I have my doubts about Petermann @ OG

Petermann has been improving over the years but his play at OG is inconsistent: his strength is insufficient to handle Nose Tackles and his not fast enought to pull and lead block. I do acknowledge he has not had steady coaching.

In my opinion, he is a better fit at center than OG. If all else fails, MOVE Petermann to OC. he will be better than Raiola.

by Nomizee on Nov 9, 2009 5:15 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

raiola has been steady

he hasnt been great, but he has consistently played ok, so we need to focus on positions that are more important.

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by latif on Nov 9, 2009 5:18 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Move Peterman to DT, lol

That’s where he’s looked best this year.

What? He can’t block a dead gopher? Humph, details.

by GRLion on Nov 10, 2009 6:12 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

If Mike Furrey can move from safety to WR AFTER he's been in the league........

…….AND then get 98 catches to lead the NFC in 2006, why can’t we at least TRY Peterman at DT? Worth a shot. What do we have to lose? Think outside the box, damnit.

What? He can’t block a dead gopher? Humph, details.

by GRLion on Nov 10, 2009 6:15 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

What? His skills are raw at DT?

So are Sammie Lee Hill’s. He’s developing nicely. Try it with Peterman.

What? He can’t block a dead gopher? Humph, details.

by GRLion on Nov 10, 2009 6:16 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

OK does not cut it in the NFL.

thats the mentality that got us in this mess in the first place. Has anyone considered why new england would trade Seymour or Vrabel…..or indy holds a special URFA camp every year……. its because in the NFL, you have to improve continuously. Raiola has potential….. watch his tapes…….high level consistency is what we need out of him. I will rather get a rookie LT than sign Marcus McNeil. There’s a reason San Diego is averaging 69.5yds per game (32nd in the NFL).

by Nomizee on Nov 9, 2009 5:31 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

cant just blame McNeil for the chargers rushing problems. that blame should be shared by the rest of the line ( a lot of which is banged up i believe), and an aging Tomlinson.

on the flipside, even with all the rushing woes, and teams stacking up and blitzing against the chargers, philip rivers has only been sacked 18 times so far. a lot that credit should go to mcneil since he is the one that protects river’s blindside. also, mcneil will only be 26 in 2010.

to me, our biggest needs are DT and LT. if we can get a pro-bowl LT as an FA, then we can draft a DT. if we decide to draft a DT, then we’re more or less stuck with backus at LT for another year.

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by latif on Nov 9, 2009 5:38 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Great point

interesting logic

by Nomizee on Nov 9, 2009 6:10 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

see you in a few weeks

great site…

GO LIONS 2009! the transformation begins.

by DINORDO on Nov 9, 2009 6:43 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

" Patience my ass, I'm going to kill something "

A hunt up North, eh ? Just a Lions fan here. We’ve been waiting for ever; what’s one day, one week, one month or one season ? Our " trophy " will come home…

by Keevatron on Nov 9, 2009 7:45 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

If the picture doesn't open up...

… it’s two vultures in a tree ( circa 1970’s ).

by Keevatron on Nov 9, 2009 8:14 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I don't have much to say

Since most of my feelings have been written here, so I’ll just wish you a happy time on your vacation, Drew. Have fun!

2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).
Zack Follett: he will hurt your mind.

by Hyperion Ecta on Nov 9, 2009 9:19 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

same stuff

there are some excellent things being said on these blogs, and if half of it was listened to, i think this team would be a little better.

trying to turn this thing around seems to resemble trying to end world poverty, in that the more need you discover, the more problems arise. it’s hard to tell what kind of personnel you need or have on offense because the blocking is so inept, and we don’t even know what defense to run, because nothing works.

what scares me is that all of the solutions keep the cycle going. it seems that at some point, we start trading off our “stars” in hopes of getting lower priced players or stockpiling draft picks. this solution has not worked in the past, and continues not to work, yet we get upset when we get the same sorry results. there’s already talk of trading sims, and it won’t be long before there’s talk about getting rid of stafford, kevin and megatron.

here are some of my ideas

*instead of getting rid of sims, why not move him into a 3-4 rush-end? at fsu, all he was asked to do was to get downhill and blow up the ball carrier, which he excels at. i think he’s too valuable at that position to simply trade off.

*draft a left tackle with the first pick in the draft. period, move backus inside, as i think he is still a good player at the wrong position. if he doesn’t want to switch, cut him.

*draft defensive ends and corners!!! (i was going to say another safety, but ill give simpson another year)

*new special teams coach…..please!!!

by big smoove on Nov 9, 2009 9:31 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

If Gunther Cunningham remains in Detroit......

We will never transition to a 3-4……so the Lion’s management has to consider which is more important, the defensive coordinator or a linebacker that does not fit the current scheme?

by KDawg on Nov 10, 2009 3:35 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Great post, Drew

I gotta agree, it’s just going to take time. To those longtime fans who are fed up- fine, I understand, same old Lions under WCF blahblahblah, I hear ya.
I’m trying to find a little positive. I hate moral victories, don’t believe in them at all, but after digesting yesterdays game, I saw some progress…
1) Pettigrew was outstanding. Yeah I know, it’s only 1 game, but he was ON yesterday!
2) Delmas was reading and making plays
3) Levy came in for Sims and the defense seemed to get a lil bit better
4) Hill is starting to demand a double-team. If only there was a better DT or DE next to him…
Unfortumately, the main rookie of the class had a horrible game. Am I pissed off at him? You betcha, but I’m not gonna give up on the kid, this GM or this coaching staff after a whopping 6-8 games.
Good luck on the hunting trip. Venison is the BEST! I really should give hunting another try.

by JazzyBBP on Nov 10, 2009 12:27 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

+1

Liked the play of Pettigrew, Delmas, Levy, Hill. Staff had an off day. He’s a rookie QB, it happens.

Good luck hunting! Be safe! Just remember, guns are like swords…….pointy side out.

What? He can’t block a dead gopher? Humph, details.

by GRLion on Nov 10, 2009 6:25 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I agree, mostly

I would actually disagree on your assessment of the defense in the game. I thought they played pretty good. True, we don’t have the Baltimore Ravens type of defense that can take over a game and win it for you. All we ask is that our defense keep us in the game so that our offense can come out and win at the end. In my opinion that is just what they did, they got us some turnovers, held them to field goals instead of touchdowns and with a minute left we still had a chance to win.

Also, no love for Pettigrew? He had a monster game!! Loved him yesterday! Actually, I think the game as a whole was not that bad. You take away the 5 interceptions and we win that game.

by LionFaninCA on Nov 10, 2009 8:32 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, I should have given Pettigrew his props

He had his breakout game and I should have given him some love.

by DrewsLions on Nov 11, 2009 10:20 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Hear, hear!

“As for the Stafford haters… hate on. Your insults and bust predictions will have absolutely no impact on what he will become, so keep blowing your hot air at any and all brick walls around you. Stafford is a 21 year old rookie on a very bad team. He is measured in progress and potential right now. There will come a day when we can label him boom or bust, but right now – even after a five interception game – those labels are moot.”

Spot on.

Peace
Ty

http://thelionsinwinter.blogspot.com

by ty@thelionsinwinter on Nov 11, 2009 10:44 AM EST reply actions   0 recs


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