Top Ten Worst Draft Picks of the last Decade
A wise man once said "only fools give into their anger and create posts on POD that are likely to get you either flamed or removed from the communitty." I am pissed and I read enough on here to know that many of you are already turning your thoughts towards this years off-season and draft as opposed to salvaging anything from this year (I for one and finally ready to give up hope that we can win 4-5 games). So, in the interest of being constructive we can call this learning from past mistakes (and putting off doing a paper). Factoring in overall production, team needs and hindsight is 20/20 (in other words who we could have gotten) here are my 10 worst draft picks the Lions made in the last ten years:
10. Brandon Pettigrew: Flame away boys, but understand this is not a critism of Pettigrews production. I sincerly hope he gives us 10+ years of being a productive recieving and blocking TE. And you can look at most of the Super Bowl champions of the past decade and most of them featured a productive tight end. But, if I'm rebuilding an 0-16 team and I have needs at LT, OG, DT, DE, MLB (no Foote when pick was made) CB and Safety I don't take a TE no matter what his potential is. And hindsight being 20/20 right now I would much rather have the player I spent all day hoping would be available at # 20, Michael Oher. Instead the Lions continue a disturbing trend, passing on players at high need positions in favor of big upside guys only to enter the following years draft still desperately needing help at that position.
9. Stockar McDougle: What I remember about this pick is that the year before we took a flier on Aaron Gibson with a late first round pick. This pick came following an 8-8 regular season and the teams last trip to the playoffs. McDougle's production is worthy of the bust tag and leads to a second disturbing trend the Lions showed during this decade; using high draft picks on players who play the same position as guys you used high draft picks on the year before. Hindsight being 20/20, wouldn't you rather have seen us use this pick on Keith Bullock?
8. Jeff Backus: One could argue that Backus was the most productive first round pick the Lions made in the 2000's. Drafted in 2001 following the Lions last winning season (9-7 the year before, damn you Paul Edinger!) Backus has been a fixture in the Lions starting line-up ever since. Maybe that is the best way to describe why the Lions have been so awful this decade. Not that I hate Backus but he has been average at best his entire time in Detroit and the fact that the team continues to put off looking for an upgrade at LT is absurd. I also put him here because I remember going horse that day screaming at the TV for the Lions to draft Drew Bree's. There is more to that than just "look how good Bree's is now." Before this draft we hired Millen and Morningsomething with an eye on overhauling the offense and running a variation of the west coast offense. It sounded like it could be a good fit for Brees. It was also widely considered a terrible fit for Charlie Batch. Batch was awful that year and the Lions went 2-14 and haven't had a winning record since.
7. Boss Bailey: You can substitute Teddy Lehman here is you want. This pick represented a third disturbing trend the Lions took in their approach to the draft during this decade. That would be drafting the guy with first round talent that slipped out of the first round because of injuries or off-the-field issues. Sure, taking a guy like this every once in awhile is okay but there were a few years in a row that I felt like the Lions took this kind of guy every year with a second or third round pick (or both). When they are healthy and have their head in the game they are great but as we saw with Shaun Rogers, who was argueably the best of these types of draft picks, they eventually wear out their welcome and the team is left with another wasted high pick. Hindsight being 20/20 you could argue that Charles Tillman, Eugene Wilson, Rashean Mathis and Ken Hamlim all could have helped a secondary that was garbage all decade long.
6. Daniel Bullocks: I have nothing personal against Bullocks, this is just to point out that prior to this past years draft with Delmas (who I love), Bullocks was the highest we drafted a player for the secondary when he was picked #40 overall. Next highest I believe was Andre Goodman. The Lions secondary has been among the league's worst all decade long and you could argue that the best player we had prior to Delmas was Dre Bly who is missed by very few. Hindsight 20/20: Your secondary makes up 4 of the 12 starting positions on your defense, please put more effort into finding quality players to play in that secondary!
5. Jordon Dizon: Yet another disturbing trend in the Lions draft philosophy, favoring the big motor guy over someone who more aptly fits the description of what you are looking for. In fairness, I was a Dan Connor when this pick was made and you can easily argue that Dizon has been more productive. But, does anyone look at Dizon as an answer moving forward? I didn't think so. Part of this pick is just me being bitter because I thought it was a waste at the time and I haven't seen anything that would change my mind yet. Hindsight being 20/20, we could have gotten Ray Rice and then grabbed Connor or even still landed Dizon early in the third round (no Kevin Smith though which would be a little sad).
4. Joey Harrington: It's tough to argue that we had any choice other than taking Harrington here, but clearly this pick set the franchise back several years. Liked the pick at the time and there is still a part of me who feels it was the way he was managed that killed his chances in Detroit (One year with Morningsomething, then Mooch came in and after one year together you could tell Mooch didn't believe in him which makes for a very poor formula for success). When you look at that draft the next 4 picks after Harrington were either quality non-pro bowl types or busts so the hindsight here goes back to why did they not draft Drew Brees the year before?
3. Charles Rogers: He would have been number 1 for so many other teams if they had taken him. I could have given him a pass if it was only injuries that held him back, but lets be honest here. If you followed this guy from MSU to the Lions you know he was a me first guy with no work ethic. The drug suspension and subsequent exile from the NFL sum it up. Does anyone know how his CFL career turned out? Hindsight 20/20: Yeah, that's right, the second wide out take that year was Andre Johnson, Opps!
2. Drew Stanton: All the talk today about why didn't Drew play is honestly what inspired this post. He didn't play because he is not good enough to play in the NFL. He is tough, but injury prone. He looked like a great back-yard QB in college but I never for a second believed his game would transfer to the NFL. At the time we were coming off of a 2 -14 season so you would think QB would be a need but we also had 4500 yards passing that year so maybe not. At the time we badly needed help at LB (amongst other areas) and hindsight being 20/20 I really wanted Dave Harris. Oh well, atleast Drew isn't ....
1. Mike Williams: Argueably one of the biggest busts in NFL, this pick looks even worse for the Lions since they had drafted WR the previous 2 years. Add to the fact that the next 2 picks were Demarcus Ware and Shawn Merriman and you could argue it was the worst pick of all time. That is all that.
If you are wondering what the point of all this is I suppose it is this. We all talk about what players we think the team needs to add. What I am asking the POD community is whether there are any changes you see that need to be made in the way we determine what players to draft? So please, flame away!
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Pride of Detroit or its writers. FanPosts are valued expressions of opinion by passionate and knowledgeable fans.
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I agree
although if we are in a position to get a kid like Suh from Nebraska or McCoy from Alabama I’m okay with either them. One thing I am looking at heading into this year’s draft is that there is a large number of teams who will have top 15 picks (Bills, Redskins, Browns, Rams, Seahawks come to mind) that may want to look at QB. Bradford and Clausen stand out to me as top NFL prospects in this years class but I’m not sure if either is enticing enough to get one of these teams to trade up with Detroit. We shall see how it plays out and if a Colt McCoy also belongs in the conversation at the top of the draft, but I do see that being our best bet at trading down and I would be highly in favor of that.
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by tigerfaninChicago on Dec 13, 2009 10:00 PM EST reply actions
"I agree" YET going for Suh or McCoy are incongruent with each other
You can’t agree that we should trade down AND say that you are OK with 2 high rated picks on the board. That was the whole point…top ten picks are boom or bust—-maybe 50/50—-and with those odds, TigerFan was saying we should always trade down if we can and stockpile lower cost picks.
For the record, I love Suh, not a McCoy believer, and love Okung. That said, it is a 50/50 and they might ALL be busts. You don’t think Suh can be a bust? Me neither, but the history of can’t miss top 5 picks like Tony Mandarich, Brian Bozworth, and more recently Gaines Adams and Vernon Gholston is well chronicled. There are literally dozens of top 5 busts in the last ten years, and you can probably find as many pro bowlers either undrafted (James Harrison) or from rounds 3-7 as you can from can’t miss first round picks. In fact, here’s the numbers from last years pro bowl starters:
Here’s the complete list of 2009 Pro Bowl Starters by position and their draft position in case anyone is interested. UD=undrafted.
NFC
Offense
Quarterback Kurt Warner, Arizona UD
Running back Adrian Peterson, Minnesota 1-7
Fullback Mike Sellers, Washington UD
Wide receiver Larry Fitzgerald, Arizona 1-3
Anquan Boldin, Arizona 2-54th
Tight end Jason Witten, Dallas 3-69
Chris Cooley, Washington 3-81
Tackle Jordan Gross, Carolina 1-8
Walter Jones, Seattle 1-6
Guard Steve Hutchinson, Minnesota 1-17
Chris Snee, New York Giants 2-34
Center Andre Gurode, Dallas 2-5
Defense
Defensive end Julius Peppers, Carolina 1-2
Justin Tuck, New York Giants 3-74
Defensive tackle Kevin Williams, Minnesota 1-9
Jay Ratliff, Dallas 7-224
Outside linebacker DeMarcus Ware, Dallas 1-11
Lance Briggs, Chicago 3-68
Inside linebacker Patrick Willis, San Francisco 1-11
CB Antoine Winfield, Minnesota 1-23
Asante Samuel, Philadelphia* 4-120
Free safety Nick Collins, Green Bay 2-51
Strong safety Adrian Wilson, Arizona 3-64
Special teams
Punter Jeff Feagles, New York Giants UD
Placekicker John Carney, New York Giants UD
Kick returner Clifton Smith, Tampa Bay UD
Special teamer Sean Morey, Arizona 7-241
AFC
Offense
Quarterback Peyton Manning, Indianapolis 1-1
Running back Thomas Jones, New York Jets 1-7
Fullback Le’Ron McClain, Baltimore 4-137
Wide receiver Andre Johnson, Houston 1-3
Brandon Marshall, Denver 4-119
Tight end Tony Gonzalez, Kansas City 1-13
Tackle Joe Thomas, Cleveland 1-3
Jason Peters, Buffalo* UD
Guard Alan Faneca, New York Jets 1-26
Kris Dielman, San Diego UD
Center Kevin Mawae, Tennessee* 2-36
Defense
Defensive end Mario Williams, Houston 1-1
Dwight Freeney, Indianapolis 1-11
Defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth, Tennessee 1-15
Kris Jenkins, New York Jets 2-44
Outside linebacker James Harrison, Pittsburgh UD
Joey Porter, Miami 3-73
Inside linebacker Ray Lewis, Baltimore 1-26
Cornerback Nnamdi Asomugha, Oakland 1-31
Cortland Finnegan, Tennessee 7-215
Free safety Ed Reed, Baltimore 1-24
Strong safety Troy Polamalu, Pittsburgh 1-16
Special teams
Punter Shane Lechler, Oakland 5-142
Placekicker Stephen Gostkowski, New England 4-118
Kick returner Leon Washington, New York Jets 4-117
Special teamer Brendon Ayanbadejo, Baltimore UD
Just give me 25 guys on the last year of their contracts; I'll win a pennant every year....Sparky Anderson
Pro Bowl Percentages by Round
- 42.5%
- 11%
- 11%
- 9.3%
- 1.9%
- 0
- 5.5%
So what this really tells us is that outside of the top 4 rounds, these NFL talent guru’s might as well be shooting darts at a board. There are MORE UNDRAFTED starters in the Pro Bowl as there are players from rounds 4-7. Granted 4 of the undrafted are special teamers, but 4 of the round 4-7 players are special teamers too. Also, Leon Washington was undrafted and not many of us consider him to be JUST be a special teamer.
Even if we only count position players, the undrafted guys control a greater number of the Pro Bowl roster than rounds 4-7. I am not sure that speaks well of the NFL talent scouts, coaches, and GM’s.
Just give me 25 guys on the last year of their contracts; I'll win a pennant every year....Sparky Anderson
18.5 % of Pro Bowl Starters are UNDRAFTED in 2009
editing to previous post.
Just give me 25 guys on the last year of their contracts; I'll win a pennant every year....Sparky Anderson
Am I missing something here?
Your data shows that almost four times as many PB starters come from the first round as any other round, and over twice as much as all the undrafted players, and you are using this data to justify trading down out of the first round? Really?
Maybe we should just skip the draft entirely?
really...what am I missing here???
Throw out the special teamers cus they are never drafted high. A large portion of PB’s are 1st rounders. Are we trying to compare 32 1st round picks v. 192 2nd and later picks?
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I never said to trade out of the 1st round
I said “trade down and stockpile lower cost picks” in my first post.
Yes, the data shows that Pro Bowlers are 4 times more likely to come from the first round as they are any other round. However, the data also shows that top 5 picks are no more likely that a 6-10 pick, 11-20 pick, or 21-32 pick of being a pro bowler.
If you can trade down in the round and draft well, you are just as likely to get a pro bowler as taking a flyer on suh, mccoy, or fill in the blank. Then you get 2 seconds and at least a 3rd; each of whom gives you a 10% chnce of landing a pro bowler.
Don’t get me wrong, I love the excitement of the top of the draft. In fact, I would love to win the SuhWeepStakes. But excitement aside, the data doesn’t lie, and we would be much better off trading down and stockpiling lower cost picks too.
Just give me 25 guys on the last year of their contracts; I'll win a pennant every year....Sparky Anderson
It's not just about the Pro Bowl...
The first and 2nd rounders should be dependable starters for multiple years. Anything less is most likely appropriate to be labeled “bust”. Once in a while you get lucky and get a probowler.
Think about where we’d be if we could have had “just” starters from the Millen picks! Less hole filling, and more playmaker hunting, I’m sure…
Players like Backus and Raiola arent glamorous, but they’ve been dependable starters for years. That means so much to your teams consistency year to year. We’ve got to stop the revolving door of has-beens, wash-ups, and old free agents.
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Agreed
I was only using the Pro Bowl as a benchmark. I am sure that if I went to the PB reserves the data would show the same thing, and then if I went to NFL starters for the top 16 teams in the league we would see the same thing as well. I say “top 16” because I would hate to include rosters from the Browns, Lions, and Rams—-as they are in the position they are in because they don’t draft well…although I might be surprised
Just give me 25 guys on the last year of their contracts; I'll win a pennant every year....Sparky Anderson
I like this post too
I’ve decided I like Schwartz’s stance on the draft — pick the best talent available. Everyone knows the Lions have a lot of holes to fill and aren’t going to turn the team around in 1 season, or even 3. So take the best talent available at that point in the draft and keep building. In other words, don’t take a LT just because you need one, if there’s a much better SS, LB, or in Pettigrew’s case, TE available. We need to upgrade every position. I think Staff, Grew and Delmas are a great start to building a team. Levy looks to be a steal, and I like Hill’s rawness. Our next few drafts need to be like this past one, and I think we’ll start seeing a turn around.
disagree
Charles Rogers was number 1 bust hands down. He was the second pick in the draft and lions new he had a drug problem and lazy. Joe Dumars would never draft a guy like that.
I watched that draft
and wanted to cry when they picked him over Andre Johnson. I knew Andre was bigger, faster and stronger. The only thing that was a compareable was their hands. Andre kinda had a question mark at the time.
kinda knew they would take rogers
he was a michigan state guy and johnson wasnt exactly the consensus no 1 wideout in the draft, so i was pretty sure
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I don't agree
with picking someone just because of where they are from or where they went to school. This is the NFL and its about building a winning team.
didnt say i agree
but there is sort of a hometown biasedness there, no matter what NFL team…I mean thats why people wanted the Texans to pick Vince Young, and the Jaguars want to pick Tebow.
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Wouldn't Draft ...
Joe Might trade for someone like that thou.
Disagree with Grew as a bad pick
you have to realize that TE position is a tough one to play.. It takes a couple of years to for TE’s to come into their own..
A look at some TE’s first years’ stats
Keller Winslow Sr. 25 rec/ 255 yards/ 2 TD- played in 7 games. Started one. Was not injured
Ozzie Newsome 38 rec/ 589 yards/ 2TD – played in 16 games. No starts
Tony Gonzales 33 rec/ 368 yards/ 2TD – played in 16 games. No starts
Jason Witten 35 rec/ 347 yards/ 1TD – played in 15 games. 1 start.
Yeah… it is a small sample. But it is pretty much the norm. Give Grew some time. I think he could be a good one.
if the shoe fits...get another one just like it - George Carlin
Looking at past picks is pointless
Millen was the worst GM in NFL history. I don’t get why we even want to look at his picks.
by Waitingfortheroar on Dec 14, 2009 12:05 AM EST reply actions
Didnt
Mike Williams sit out a whole year of college before we picked him, too?
Williams was projected a top 5 pick the year before
but then was ruled ineligible for the draft, and was also ruled ineligible to rejoin USC.
Just give me 25 guys on the last year of their contracts; I'll win a pennant every year....Sparky Anderson
still...
it made no sense to pick williams, when we had drafted roy and charles rogers in the previous two drafts
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Dez Bryant
Sound familiar? Will he be the next Mike Williams? He barely played this season, but he will still be a high draft pick.
Interesting post
However, one pick point of contention. While I can understand the disagreement about the Pettigrew pick I cannot say he is a bust.
First, it’s much to early to be calling him a bust and secondly, to me a bust requires the player to be at least bad. Grew hasn’t been bad, in fact, he seems to have been improving before his injury. Until Grew faulters as a player, I ain’t gonna call him a bust.
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So many bad memories
The Stanton pick pissed me off for a number of reasons, especially since I too was hoping for David Harris.
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wanted Harris too
Actually, I wanted both Stanton and Harris. I thought Stanton would be available in the 3rd round
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Yup
Trent Edwards didn’t go until the end of the third I think.
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My picks
1 & 2 – Mike Williams and the entire 2005 draft. Just awful…
3 – Charles Rogers. Bust(ed).
4 – Joey Harrington. Undersized, no arm. Great…
5 – Alama-Francis. Not a 2nd rounder
6 – Barrett Green. Not a 2nd rounder
7- Dizon. No way a freakin 2nd rounder
8- Stanton. You get your backup QB’s in the 6 or 7 rd. Not the 2nd.
9 – McDougle – probably should be higher on this list, but my brain is about to explode…sorry.
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I would put Aaron Gibson in there as well
Talk about a fat POS. He couldn’t even fit into a helmet!! I forgot when he was drafted, it may have been the 1990’s at this point but he was beyond awful.
Other busts this decade: Gerald Alexander from Boise State and Luke Staley out of BYU
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Drafted in 1999
still very bad.
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by tigerfaninChicago on Dec 14, 2009 1:22 PM EST up reply actions
Oh I just missed
that fat POS never even got off the ball. When we cut him he was well in excess of 400 lbs. I think he played for Dallas after getting in shape a little, but soon blew up again. What a waste – I can still see his fat face coming out of his facemask gasping for air.
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My list.....
1. Mike Williams
2. Charles Rogers
3. Joey Harrington.
4. Jeff Backus
5. Stocker McDougle
6. Kevin Jones
7. Gosder Cherlius
8. Boss Bailey
9. Teddy Lehman
10. Drew Stanton
Why Kevin Jones?
He was very productive for us while he was healthy, reason he wasnt ever healthy? A POS offensive line. I also contribute the epic failure of Joey to the o-line also. I wouldn’t even list Gosder as a bust yet.
Though I don’t like Backus, you cant call him a bust. The man hasnt missed a game, has shown up with a positive attitude through all the bull$shit. He should have been placed on the right side, not his fault that the team that drafted him has been inept.
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+1
Kevin Jones was not a bust IMO. Injuries in successive years killed his career (in Chicago too.) When healthy KJones was better than KSmith IMO.
Backus should not be considered a bust either for the reasons Leapin mentions above.
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What happened to all our corners too??
Like Chris Cash and Andre Goodman???
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Don't Agree the Pettigrew pick either
Its very hard to say which player is more “talented” when you are comparing two positions, and I don’t think Pettigrew was the most talented player on the board at the time. I would say it was Michael Oher. Think about what Pettigrew while he was playing vs what Oher has done. As a rookie, playing both RT and LT, he has only allowed 5 sacks, and at the same time, Baltimore has one of the best rushing attacks in the league. On the other hand, Pettigrew had trouble cracking the starting lineup early in the season, and apart from a couple of good games, has played pretty average if not below average. Stil, in all fairness, I cannot put the Pettigrew in the top 10 worst picks of the decade, not for the Lions, there were far worse picks than him
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Lets not forget ....
We drafted one guy, whose name I forgot, an Army safety who couldn’t even play for the team!
he was a 7th rounder
not many late 7th rounders play, plus, if i remember properly, it was because he had to go back to the army
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it was because of the army.
Point is, he never even got tot he practice field. Can’t have that slimchnace ofmaking the team if your not allowed toplay for the team
speaking of 7th rounders...
I saw Ramzee Robinson is playing for the Steelers now…thats one 7th round pick that worked out
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he did make it onto the practise field
the rookie OTA’s. And he was talented, the reason no one drafted him was fear that the military wouldnt let him play. Which they didnt, but it wasn a bad pick to take a flier on a talented kid in the 7th round.
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by Leapin Lion on Dec 15, 2009 10:55 AM EST up reply actions
I disagree about Pettigrew
I’d put Gosdar in his place. Thats what happens when you draft for position need and reach for a player
I can agree with that
Lets not forget, Gosdar was a criminal also. Not that it should ruin your life forever, but sick of being told “Yah he broke these laws in college but he has skills” … so dohundreds of others who don’t breakthe law. it shows mental toughness, and GC has none.
Throw in Gerald Alexander as well
Injuries sure but still (also don’t forget Bullocks)
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Alexander still starting for the Jags
I would have liked to have him here, he wasn’t that bad of a player.
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He just got injured to often
A bit like Bulllocks.
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by Hyperion Ecta on Dec 14, 2009 8:42 PM EST up reply actions
But Alexander has lots of shoes!
He’s the Imelda Marcos of the NFL.
What? He can’t block a dead gopher? Humph, details.













