Remember When People Wanted C Pep To Start Week 1???
by BennieBladesFan on Dec 13, 2009 9:06 PM EST
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Crazy to think that some of us, not me, wanted Cpep to start against New Orleans way back in September.....Wow I sure am glad that didnt happen and that Schwartz was smart enough to know like some of us that Stafford was clearly and hands down the better QB.....The way he played today and in his other 2 starts.....0-3......Shows that he wasnt the man and never was the man this season or in his Detroit career.....We need Stafford next week very very bad.....GO LIONS!!!!
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Nobody knows what Schwartz’s reasons were, and nobody knows what Culpepper would have done if he was named starter at the beginning of the season and enjoyed the same protection of “he’s our starting QB” as Stafford has. You can speculate all day long, and you can take your tiny sample size and use it to support your logic all you want…..but in the end, all you have is a weak argument.
Don’t get me wrong…..I love Stafford now. He has shown that he is the man and he deserves to be the starter here. However, you know that I was one of the people who said Culpepper should start at the beginning of the season, and not only did I have a solid argument and logical reasoning to support my arguments, but also NOBODY here knew what would or would not happen then any more than they do now! The big argument then was that Stafford should be the starter because he needed the real game time experience and practice work with the first team offense in order to properly develop. As it turned out, the more he played the better he looked. Does that same argument not work both ways?
What if Culpepper had been the starter from the beginning of the season, and barring injury the coaching staff stuck with him no matter what? You think he would still have looked like he did today? On another thread you said he was slow. Are you serious? He looked quite mobile to me when he ran around the end and took the ball down to the 1 yard line early in the game. If you really think that Culpepper could not have, and would not have gotten any better as the season progressed, then not only are you a hypocrite, but also you are ignorant. The same benefit that Stafford gets from playing in the games and taking the snaps in practice would have been Daunte’s had the roles been reversed.
I’m sorry guys…..I am glad that Stafford is our starter too, I am behind the kid 100% (I think I have proven that), and I do not want to reopen the entire Culpepper vs Stafford debate of ignorance, but for Christ’s sake if we are going to let it go, then EVERYONE has to LET IT GO! It is what it is, and there is no changing what was or will be. Get over it and move on.
Sorry man
You put up a good argument and all, but I don’t know anyone who is going to disagree with this. Daunte Culpepper is and was a bum, from the minute we plucked him off his couch in the middle of our worst season ever.
As you said, you can speculate all day long, and take your tiny sample size and use it to support your logic all you want, but in the end, all you have is a weak argument.
He cried over not getting the start on Thanksgiving, why? My guess is he wanted a shot to show other teams what he’s got. Well he got what he asked for, and showcased exactly what he had.
If you really think that Culpepper could not have, and would not have gotten any better as the season progressed, then not only are you a hypocrite, but also you are ignorant.
….How so? I don’t understand that logic at all. Because a rookie quarterback who was drafted because of his high potential ceiling is expected to improve throughout his first year in the pros, the same MUST be said for a guy who is old, washed up, and was retired from the NFL for, what, a year? Two years? My friend, that is not hypocrisy, and I daresay the argument you put forward regarding Culpepper v. Stafford is far more ignorant than you might think.
Daunte hit his limit a long time ago. He has, in his year here, not shown a single thing that makes him worthy to be a starter on whats one of the worst teams in the league. He had a shot last year and he couldn’t get a single win out of the gig. Go figure – the same result occurs in his playing time this year. You seem to think it’s because he hasn’t gotten opportunities. I personally think that the issue is him.
(And by the way, it’s a tad hypocritical for you to argue that everyone needs to let go the Culpepper/Stafford debate when you post a 4 paragraph response to a 4 line post. Just sayin’. See you in the fantasy championship!) :p
Sigh
Culpepper looked every bit as good as Matt Stafford in the preseason. You don’t know if he would have gotten better and better as the season progressed, had he been named the starter back then. You say he is old and washed up, and that he hasn’t proven that he is worthy of being a starter. I say he did, and if not for the fact that we had a rookie QB that we took with the #1 pick, he would have been our starter.
I responded because I am tired of reading the spew about the whole Culpepper vs Stafford debate. As far as I was concerned, it ended a LONG TIME AGO. Someone had to come in with the I told you so attitude, and it pissed me off. So, you keep your opinion and I will keep mine. My point in stating that the sample size is too small to judge Culpepper is valid. I did not say that to support the argument that he is the best QB we have. In fact I do not believe that at all anymore. I stated the fact because he is being judged based on a very limited amount of action, both in regular games and likely in practice (not to mention the supporting cast he has to work with to boot). It is a fact that NOBODY knows what he could have or would have done. No argument to the contrary is even remotely logical in my opinion.
Culpepper was upset over not getting the start on Thanksgiving…..irrelevant.
I am not disagreeing that Stafford is the better QB now.
I am not disagreeing that we need Stafford.
My entire point is that this entire discussion is moot and retarded, it needs to go away, and you can’t judge a single player, whose opportunities have been extremely limited, when the entire team blows more than a 50 cent hooker in New Orleans during Mardi Gras.
If you don’t like the truth, I don’t care.
No Debate Here....
……This was just a post to say that Cylpepper has been washed up since last year…..Thats all it is……Im sorry if I reopended something…..Was not my intention.
by BennieBladesFan on Dec 14, 2009 9:31 PM EST up reply actions
I agree with KDawg about reopening this discussion.
However, if we use that logic for every topic that generates some spirited debate we will not have many discussions here.
Hypocite?....Ignorant?
man chill out…..im just staing that he has been aful this year and ever since he signed with Det…..Sure he may have improved f rom awful to crapy ill give you that…..but seriously come on…..The only reason he was even considered to start week 1 was becasue Staff was a rookie…..That doesnt sound to me like a guy I want on my team or running my team at any point during the season…..And dont call me ignorant.
by BennieBladesFan on Dec 14, 2009 9:48 AM EST up reply actions
I know .....
….I was replying to kdawg
by BennieBladesFan on Dec 14, 2009 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
Oh and I forgot Man....
…..I ment he was slow in decision making…..Mega in the endzone is just one of many examples that he had this week and in his Detorit career……those things happen when you get older……Hes ha da decent pro career…..Just time to let him go.
by BennieBladesFan on Dec 14, 2009 9:50 AM EST up reply actions
Yea..
If anyone honestly thinks CPEP is even remotely close to being mediocre then you are a moron. CPEP is awful and needs to retire after this season because he clearly isn’t even good enough for a back up role.
He sure makes a good lightening rod!
Been reading the “I hate CPEP” posts.
Perhaps he can provide us all with the scapegoat our fans need?
If I knew CPep would struggle as much as he has
I wouldn’t of supported him to start, however, I didn’t know that at the time. Stafford is our man, and I plan on forgetting Culpepper as soon as he is gone, which I hope is sooner rather than later.
2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).
Zack Follett: he will hurt your mind.
I agree HE
However, I still say nobody knows how well he would be playing (or how poorly) right now, if he had been named the starter in week 1.
That's probably true
2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).
Zack Follett: he will hurt your mind.
by Hyperion Ecta on Dec 14, 2009 8:48 PM EST up reply actions
Well...
I was on that bandwagon but, now knowing that our season is a bust i say only play Stafford like he’s on an undefeated team (sparingly). Lose out and get a higher pick.
When Culpepper is in the game....
It just ‘feels’ wrong.
The offense is flat, the throws are short, and in the games he started, he hasn’t even thrown a TD. WTF? I don’t give a flying fuck if some of you “THINK” that Drew Stanton can’t play in the NFL… I KNOW, DAUNTE CULPEPPER CANNOT!… and I have 2 recent starts to prove it…. what do you have? nothing, because Stanton has never had a start.
+1
The defense plays horribly when CPep is in there. With Staff they seem to try harder. Maybe they know with Staff they have a real chance to win?? Who knows. This loss was gut wrenching to watch on my shitty, broken down stream. The physical manhandling of the defense was even worse than CPep’s play IMO. Too many holes.
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I would like to see Stanton play too
At this point, Daunte Culpepper is not going to come into a game and play like it is his last game. He does not give a shit about the Lions, because he knows he will be gone at the end of the year. The moment that they named Stafford the starter for week 1, I could tell that he was not happy and that he would not help us at all. If he were named starter in week 1, I honestly believe that we would have seen a completely different guy. He would have been trying as hard as he could, giving it 100%.
You make a good point that supports my idea here CLF. When Culpepper gets into the game:
The offense is flat, the throws are short, and in the games he started, he hasn’t even thrown a TD
“It just feels wrong”. I agree…..it feels wrong because nobody is confident in an 11 year veteran who got beat out by a rookie QB for the starting job, and that 11 year veteran knows that he does not have a future, on yet another team. I believe that has to be wearing on the guy, and I do not think it is fair to say that given the confidence of the coaching staff, the starting nod, and the support of the team that Daunte Culpepper could not (or would not) have been a reasonably good QB for us this year.
I said it when they signed him right off the bat
He never was a good QB, so why would he become one now? Sure, he had a couple good years in Minn., but he also had 2 hall of fame WR to throw to, an excellent o-line to protect him and a very solid RB behind him. This wasn’t a small sample size of just 2 games, he has a whole career of mediocrity to look at.
Every Game That Cpep Has Played.....
…..In detorit in his 1.5 season has felt strange……It felt like he wasnt goign to win……he wasnt going to do anything special to help us win…..Thats the main reason I did not want him starting week 1…..i would have rather had Stanton if they thought Staff wasnt ready.
by BennieBladesFan on Dec 14, 2009 9:45 AM EST reply actions
I was one of those pulling for CPep to start this year
Due to the porous O-Line and the battering he would receive (which of course he has received this year). I was afraid that all the hits would take a terrible toll on a 21 year old rookie so let the washed up CPep take the blows and wait to get better on the O-Line.
I was wrong. CPep is beyond belief terrible. I have no idea why he is our 2nd stringer. I really don’t. He sucks and thank goodness Schwartz played Staff this year. I think this is definitly the end of the road for CPep. What team would want this guy. He sucks so bad I can’t describe just how much.
PS – Lions defense – learn how to tackel and WRAP UP!!!
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CPEP
did not allow 48 points. Stafford may well have added to his pick 6 collection, something Bennie seems willing to over look.
The bottom line is the team has 2 (count ’em, 2) wins. You can praise Staff all you want, but it changes nothing. The team laid an egg. Staff would not have hanged that one iota.
he wouldn't have underthrown calvin by 10yds
with the time cpepp had…i’m confident our d stays off the field a little longer. still a likely loss…but staff would have at least hit the right distance on those throws
Nope He did not allow 48.....
….but when you get 1 1st down in the 2nd and 3rd qtrs……Thats going to tire out your defense……You cant go 3 and out for 2 qtrs……thats what Cpep did……The reason Staff has some ints this year is because he takes chances and throws the ball downfield…..Culpepper couldnt hit a wide open Mega 40 yds down field in the endzone!!!!!……..STAFFORD BABY!!!!!
by BennieBladesFan on Dec 14, 2009 12:17 PM EST up reply actions
C-Pep sucked
You can ignore it all you want, but it doesn’t change it one iota. Culpepper sucked.
What? He can’t block a dead gopher? Humph, details.
GRLion is being too modest
CPep sucked beyond beleif. Fumbled snaps, horrid throws, fat ass running out of bounds 1 yard shy of the 1st down (as always), missing wide open WR’s long, missing everything short and the proverbial 3 yard out to W Heller on 3rd and 8.
I seriously thought I was watching JaMarcus Russell yesterday.
CPEP SUCKS!!!
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No It Wasnt Russell.....
…..Hes better the Cpep……Hes not awful hes just terrible
by BennieBladesFan on Dec 14, 2009 1:15 PM EST up reply actions
Dont cut down JR
CPep is way below JR.. only reason he was good in Minn many years ago back when the Dino’s roamed the earth was he had a decent recieving corp, consistant running game and a decent OL
There's no doubting that the defence was a major reason for our loss
But that also doesn’t change the fact that Culpepper was horribly ineffective, Stafford, even on his bad days, puts up points. Culpepper cannot even manage that.
2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).
Zack Follett: he will hurt your mind.
by Hyperion Ecta on Dec 14, 2009 8:51 PM EST up reply actions
Oh I know.....
…….It just amazes me hes on the roster in the 1st place…..No he didnt lose the game…..But he did nothing to win the game.
by BennieBladesFan on Dec 14, 2009 9:34 PM EST up reply actions
C-Pep sucks
I miss Kevin O’Connell. The way he was their for like a few hours, and avoided b*tchingon the sidelines.
When I am done with Exams ...
I think I will do one of those Family Guy things where I list every quarterback the Lions have had on their roster since Eric Kramer. “Well, I know he got us a playoff win but if he was not the starter next season it just shows he was not as good as Andre Ware, Rodney Peete … (Minutes later concluding with) Drew Staton or Daunte Culpepper.”
LOL
Don’t forget Stony Case!!!!
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