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No Change with Matthew Stafford's Status; Daunte Culpepper to Start Again?

It is too early in the week to know for sure, but when talking about Matthew Stafford's status (see the quote below) for the Cardinals game, Jim Schwartz really made it sound like the rookie could be out again this week.

"Probably unchanged right now, but we’ll see as we get through this week. I mean, if he’s the same as he was last week, then he won’t play again. If he improves, then that door is open. But it’s probably too early to really definitively say anything there."

If Stafford ends up not being able to play, could this finally be the week that Drew Stanton gets his shot?  In a word: no.

Schwartz was pressed about Stanton during yesterday's press conference, and it was extremely frustrating to listen to his answers to questions about why the former MSU quarterback hasn't gotten a chance to play.

On the perception being that Stanton hasn't had a chance
"Like I said, when we make a decision, it's not based on trying something new, experimenting, all those kinds of things. It's based on what we think gives us the best chance and we're going to ride with that decision, but it's not going to be based on just saying, ‘Hey, look, it's time - we've got to change just to change.' Or, ‘We've have to make this decision just to make this decision.' Everything's based on a set of criteria that we've established. If we think that fits our criteria, then we'll do it."

On if Stanton is not as good as Culpepper
"We spent a lot of time in training camp and offseason and during the season establishing what our depth charts are. Daunte's our No. 2 quarterback, Drew's our No. 3 quarterback. That's where that one is."

It's not too tough to read between the lines of those answers.  Obviously the coaches feel that Stanton is not very good, which, I suppose, is why he isn't playing.  I don't know how Stanton can perform any worse than Daunte Culpepper, but he must just not be very good in practice.  That is really the only explanation as to why he hasn't ever received a shot at starting during his time with the Lions.  I mean, there have been some pretty bad QBs in front of him the last two years, yet two different coaching staffs haven't given him a shot even once.

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My biggest problem with this whole situation is that the coaches seem to be in love with Daunte Culpepper and are willing to look past or even justify his mistakes.  I realize that the quarterback position is a different animal when it comes to accountability, but let's face it, Culpepper is 0-8 as a starter with the Lions, and although he is not the sole reason the Lions lost any of those games, is he even giving the Lions a chance to win? 

Although Sunday's game ended up being a blowout, it could have easily been tied at halftime had the offense figured out how to finish a drive.  Again, it's not all on Culpepper, but for somebody who has been in the league as long as him, he looked like it was his first ever start.  I realize Schwartz doesn't want to make a change just to make a change, but what do the Lions have to lose?  Maybe Stanton just performs well in real games and is a bad practice player.  It wouldn't hurt to find out, especially considering it's not like Culpepper is playing even remotely well. 

I know that Schwartz isn't going to apply his whole attitude of accountability -- make a mistake and take a seat on the bench -- to the quarterback position, but for someone who seems to have no problem benching players and throwing them under the bus after they make a mistake (see Aaron Brown and his "bone-headed play"), it just seems like Culpepper is getting off a little easy.  I suppose some of you may have felt the same way when Stafford was playing poorly, but the difference is that he is a rookie and Culpepper is in his 11th season.  At this point in a player's career a head coach should not be busy justifying underthrown passes, but that is exactly what Schwartz did on Monday.

On whether Culpepper’s underthrown balls were a concern   
"Yeah – I think there was one he would like to have back; Calvin’s (Johnson) got the coverage beat over the top and then he wasn’t able to get the ball out where it needed to be; I mean that’s a long throw. The other ones weren’t as much of a concern because there was something that caused that play to be limited, whether it was rusher in his face, him moving out from the side, throwing on the run or something like that. Probably the one that he would like to have back – Daunte has a strong arm. But he’s got (Calvin Johnson) over the top, doesn’t want to overthrow it and ended up under-throwing it a little bit and wasn’t able to complete that one."

This is the one quote that I took the most issue with.  Why did Schwartz feel the need to make excuses for Culpepper when he easily could have just said that mistakes were made on those passes?  I mean, Schwartz specifically said that Aaron Brown was benched for his bone-headed play on the kick return at the end of the first half.  Why didn't he make excuses for Brown?  Because he benched him, but feels the need to justify starting Culpepper?  Obviously this is all coach-speak, but come on, to justify Culpepper's underthrown passes by saying "that's a long throw" is just pathetic.  Yes, that's a long throw.  And yes, one of them was on the run.  But you know what?  Matthew Stafford can make those throws.  Obviously that is why he is the starter when healthy, but a head coach should not be justifying bad passes by saying "that's a long throw."  If it was that long then Culpepper shouldn't have thrown it.  You might even say it was a bone-headed decision to attempt such a long throw if it was so tough for him.  Never mind, that wouldn't fit the agenda of justifying Culpepper being the starter.

Perhaps I'm just frustrated with what happened on Sunday, but Jim Schwartz's entire press conference really irked me yesterday.  I don't know what I would want a coach to do after a 48-3 loss, but it seemed like he backed off his whole accountability mantra, especially with Culpepper.  Listen, I still have confidence in Schwartz that he will get things on the right track eventually, but I'd be lying if I said I didn't lose a little faith in him yesterday.  I say that because I've heard that press conference many times before in the past.  Maybe all coaches are like that after a tough loss, but we've been down this path before specifically with the Lions.  Schwartz had a golden opportunity to really make a statement to the team in terms of accountability, but it felt like he backed off that attitude more than anything. 

Like I said, I still have faith in Jim Schwartz; I just have lost some of it because of yesterday's press conference.

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What is up with that?

I think we have all seen that Stanton is at the same level as Culpepper, to say the least.

This situation sounds more and more like a Marinelli pity crush on a veteran that “deserves” the start.

Retarded… flat out retarded. Maybe I’d be a bad coach, but if my #2 QB could only manage 6 pts in two starts… I’d be looking at my 3 for a chance. Stanton is a gamer. He’s not going to look good in isolated practice play, he’s gonna look good on the field at game time.

WTF is going on????

We can only hope for a “Rudy” moment and all of the linemen drop their jerseys off on Schwartz’s desk…lol.

by CLF on Dec 15, 2009 7:57 AM EST reply actions  

On Stanton...

…(good stuff by the way, Sean) I have to agree that this staff just doesn’t seem to have any confidence in him either. That pretty much makes it official… he’s a “dun-dun-da-daaaaah”… Millen draft bust! Another second rounder at that. Once Sims and Cherilus are gone, his failure will be complete.

I guess Jim Schwartz knows football better than I do, so I trust his judgement here… I think. The problem is that we’ve watched so many Lion’s coaches make so many ridiculous personnel decisions over the years that we fans question every move or non-move. I think that Schwartz is trying not to concede the season. All coaches seem to do this. As the head cheese, you can’t give the impression that you are just throwing in the towel and playing guys to “try things out”. I get that, but don’t necessarily agree with the sentiment… not at 2-11.

For me, it would be refreshing for Schwartz to come out and say, “We are going to change it up because what we’ve got is not working. We haven’t had a chance to see Drew and now is the time in the season where we have an opportunity to see if he can help our football team.” Is that so hard to say? Would fans and teammates not accept that? It seems like a totally reasonable thing for a coach to say. Absolutely no one can step forward and say that Daunte doesn’t deserve to be benched. And I’m sorry, but this team IS playing for the future… whether Schwartz wants to admit it or not.

by DrewsLions on Dec 15, 2009 8:31 AM EST reply actions  

Definitely...

Why use a ‘has-been’ to rally your team?

I don’t get it.

by CLF on Dec 15, 2009 10:23 AM EST up reply actions  

Waiting game

Maybe Schwartze is waiting for the O-Line to break down and someone to “plant” Clodpecker. Then the responsibility for the decision is oliviated. Just a thought.

by dylan415 on Dec 15, 2009 8:00 PM EST up reply actions  

Someone did make the point to me....

…“why get stanton hurt… its Culpepper’s last year”

Which is valid.

by CLF on Dec 15, 2009 11:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Is it?

Culpepper has no Free Agent value now. No team in their right mind would want him even as a backup, let alone as a starter. The more Pep played, the more he hurt his trade/FA value rather than helped it. Stick a fork in Pep; he appears done in this league.

However, one team might want Culpepper. The Lions might resign him. That’s what really scares me.

What? He can’t block a dead gopher? Humph, details.

by GRLion on Dec 16, 2009 12:09 AM EST up reply actions  

Killer makes a point....

And one that my old man was talking about the other day about stafford… which might also affect Stanton…

LINK


That’s because they(coaches/front office) were starting to see something else they didn’t like: The development of bad habits.

Harrington, Batch… hell even going back to Mitchell after Lomas and Hartings were let go.

When QBs are hurt, hurried, or sacked alot, they get gun shy. Instead of going thru reads, they just let it go…. or kind of panic. I must admit that Stafford has not looked as sharp since the shoulder injury and definitely has not been going thru all his reads before throwing.

by CLF on Dec 16, 2009 11:47 AM EST up reply actions  

On Stanton being a "bust"

I don’t see how we can say that…..when has he had a chance to prove that he is or isn’t a bust? Does anyone think that he gets snaps with the first team in practice? Has he been thrown into some games with the first team in a regular season game, in garbage time or otherwise? No. I can only imagine that he seems to go through the motions in practice, but what can you expect from a career (so far) 3rd string QB who has never been given any confidence that any coach thinks he could be a starting QB in the league? I certainly do not blame him for not playing like it is the Super Bowl in practice. What does he have to gain by going all out? He knows he will not rise to the #1 with Stafford around.

Another question for those who think Stanton is a bust…..what did you think of Andre Goodman when he was in Detroit? Yeah, that guy sucks in Denver doesn’t he (you’ll have to forgive my sarcasm).

What is the real problem here in Detroit? Is it a lack of talent? Is it a lack of coaching? Is it a bone headed GM who can’t get the right players? I say no to all three of those questions. I think the real problem is the guys in between the coaches and the GM. The personnel scouts and directors of personnel, the strength and conditioning coaches, and everyone EXCEPT the GM, coaching, and training staff. When Millen got shit canned, the Lions should have sent EVERYONE in the front office packing. Instead, they kept the same core of losers and just put a different figure head at the top. Yes, they hired Shack Harris…..but what good has he ever done? Yes, I am talking about executive managers like Cedrick Saunders, Bill Keenist, Tom Lesnau, and Shack Harris, as well as personnel and player development guys like Sheldon White, Miller McCalmon, Scott McEwen, Cary Conklin, Dennis Gentry, Lance Newmark, Dave Uyrus, Chad Henry, Silas McKinnie, Dave Sears, and Rob Lohman, Galen Duncan,and Iain Nelson, …especially the members of that list that have been here more than a year, who have continuously added to the losing culture and failure that we have all witnessed for years.

I do not think that Martin Mayhew, Tom Lewand, Jim Schwartz, Gunther Cunningham, or even Scott Linehan are the major problem here. I do not think all of our players are horrible (and how will we know for sure until they are playing for another team and succeeding?). I do think we need to continue to add talent and ability to our player personnel base. Can we count on the guys who have been doing that job, the guys who give the decision makers the info which they base their decisions on, to suddenly get it right and get the job done? I think not. I am afraid that unless we see major changes from the top down in the front office, that not much will change. Sure, we might get back to mediocrity and we might even get good enough to rise above that and make the playoffs, but how long will it be before our talented players give up because we can’t win the big game, or their skills start to decline? How long will it be before we can build something that will last? Why do we not already have something in place? Can we expect our GM to be all knowing?

It is certain that Martin Mayhew knows football, and I would argue that even he who shall not be named knows football…..from a player’s perspective. If the GM is going to be a former player, then he has to have outstanding information in order to make the right decisions. The problem lies not in the man who makes the final move, it lies in the harbingers of information that fail to produce the proper information needed. He who shall not be named rammed it to us. He sent the guys that COULD get the job done to Pittsburgh…..and look what they are doing. That is my point. The guys who are gathering intel and passing it to the guys who are pulling the triggers are the ones who are not getting the job done. Fire them, replace them, and see what happens then. That is what I say.

by KDawg on Dec 16, 2009 2:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with most of this KDawg

But of the five-Martin, Tom, Jim, Gunther and Scott, only Schwartz was on a winning program for the last couple of seasons, the others all had terrible records. I wanted us to get Floyd Reese for G.M. while he was still at ESPN, he went to N.E. instead, but i thought he had done a good job at the Titans. Schwartz is the only one i have faith in and that was fading untill he took that timeout on Sunday and got on the defense. It is such a mess right now, it drives me nuts.

by lionsfan64 on Dec 16, 2009 6:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Lewand is a cap genius....

And really he is just a finance guy anyway, so I do not see him having much bearing on the win/loss column. I agree that Cunningham and Linehan came from losing situations too, but going back in history, Cunningham has presided over some of the most successful defenses in NFL history (1995 & 1997), typically ranking at the top of the league in many statistical categories. His defenses in KC led the Chiefs to a 42-22 record while he was there. As far as Linehan is concerned, he was a QB for Idaho in college, where he led the team to consecutive 1-AA playoff appearances in 1985 and 1986, while throwing for over 7000 yards in 3 seasons as a starter.

Linehan was signed as a UDFA in 1987 by the Cowboys, but he suffered a career ending shoulder injury and was cut at the beginning of the rookie training camp. He became a HS coach and moved his way up the coaching ranks to coach in college programs such as UNLV, Idaho, Washington, and Louisville. His first job in the NFL as a coach was with the Vikings in 2002 (and we all know what he did there). He also served as the OC for the Dolphins in 2005 before becoming the Rams HC early in 2006. His tenure with the Rams was not a successful one, as we all know. However, he has been solid elsewhere, dating back to his college coaching years and early NFL coaching career.

I am far less confident in Linehan than I am in Gunther Cunningham, that much is true. However, we could have Bellichek, and his entire staff, and they would not do shit with the current front office staff in place in Detroit. These guys are just coaches. Even Mayhew (as He who shall not be named was also) is subjected to the information that is provided by the guys I listed in my previous post. Their performances are only going to be as good as their information is, and as such it is very much limited to the ability of those guys to gather the proper, relevant, and useful information that would allow Mayhew and Schwartz to make the right moves, and subsequently allow Schwartz and his coaching staff to properly carry out their jobs in the development of players, schemes, and the team as a whole.

Believe me, I was screaming for the Lions to seriously go after Bill Parcells as a GM, along with Schottenheimer and Billick as HC/OC or at least in some significant capacity. Instead they stuck with what they already had in place, and added other failures such as Shack Harris to the mix, while promoting from within. The hiring of Jim Schwartz was the best move Mayhew has made, and I also am very happy with Gunther being on board. Imagine if it had been Schottenheimer as HC, Billick as OC, and Gunther as DC with the Big Tuna as the GM……even as nice as that sounds to me, I still say they too would have been limited by the guys in the FO, unless they cleaned house and started over.

by KDawg on Dec 17, 2009 3:47 PM EST up reply actions  

2 excellent comments

Very happy that you named names. I’ll get the tar and feathers.

Schottenheimer and the Big Tuna together? Nice theoretical pairing. Might be too many strong personalities in one room, however.

What? He can’t block a dead gopher? Humph, details.

by GRLion on Dec 18, 2009 1:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Don't understand one bit

the continued allegiance this staff has to CPep. Maybe they’re establishing precendent (what precendent I don’t know) but I agree with Sean. The ONLY reason I can possibly think of keeping CPep as our #2 is that Stanton really sucks beyond belief – but given that CPep sucks beyond belief where do you draw the line.

If CPep starts I may not watch the game. I’m tired of this. They’re going to get crushed by a very angry AZ team which just had their fuck-up game last night

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by NYCLionsfan on Dec 15, 2009 8:55 AM EST reply actions  

I might actually have to throw in the towel

I live in Minneapolis now and it’s hard enough explaining to people that i’m a lion fan without getting laughed at. We have seen stanton play in preseason and a drive or two in regular season and every time he has looked BETTER than CP. The lions have a rare opportunity here to find out exactly what every player on there 53 man roster can do..so do it! If the lions don’t start stafford or stanton next week i might have to throw in the towel. It is just too frusterating to watch a college team get there ass kicked week after week by professionals.
The one thing I will give jimmy boy credit for is I think he has shown just how bad are talent is on our team and has been addressing it well. He still has a long way to go (at least two more drafts if done right) but he has made steps in the right direction.

by Emutke11 on Dec 15, 2009 9:59 AM EST reply actions  

on a seperate note I think we should trade or drop: simms, white, backus, CP, and raiola so we can finally get over the millen era. The only person I wouldn’t mind if they kept was gosder cherilus…and thats just for now.

by Emutke11 on Dec 15, 2009 10:01 AM EST reply actions  

I like Raiola....

Did anyone catch that pushout on the first punt Raiola was in? He’s got Hussle and leadership.

by CLF on Dec 15, 2009 10:25 AM EST up reply actions  

+1

Yeah, people really seem to dislike Raiola, for whatever reason. I WOULD like to see a different center here, if he had more size. That’s my only knock on him, and for being undersized, he plays up as much as possible.

Get rid of Backus before Raiola. I’d really like to see what the O-Line would accomplish if it looked like this:

LT: Good FA pickup or Okung in the draft
LG: Backus
C: Raiola
RG: Cherilus/FA/Draftee
RT: Jansen/FA/Draftee

I’m really, REALLY unimpressed with Gosder. At least as a tackle, I haven’t seen anything close to the ‘mauler, run blocking beast’ that he was tagged with coming out of the draft. I don’t know if RT to RG would even be a possible/positive transition for him, so maybe he stays at RT and does better with decent guard help, but it’s a thought. Seems like at G he would be able to power more and need to move less to avoid pass rushers. He doesn’t seem to have great footwork and definitely seems to have a hard time handling edge rushers. If we retained Jansen, even with as old as he is, I wouldn’t be opposed to putting him at his natural position, where he made a name as a solid player for his entire career.

That’s the armchair coach in me though, I guess.

by Nate D. on Dec 15, 2009 12:03 PM EST up reply actions  

Dude, with NO decent guards on the roster....

No tackle will EVER look good.

If Jansen was THAT good, he’d be playing.

by CLF on Dec 15, 2009 12:47 PM EST up reply actions  

Good FA pickup

While I agree that the Lions need to upgrade the LT position, (Backus is serviceable) there will not be any LTs in FA that will be an upgrade. The LT position is too important to let a decent LT go.

In fact, because of the importance of the OLine the only time you see OLine as FAs is when the team has their replacement in place, and they are near the end of their career (ie Jansen).

The Vikings were only able to get Hutch from the Seahawks, by putting a clause into the contract offer, that made it IMPOSSIBLE for the Seahawks to match the offer.

by MG Lion on Dec 15, 2009 12:58 PM EST up reply actions  

Why do so many hate Riola?

He’s NOT undersized!!! He’s 295. Matt Birk, the usual pro bowler is 298. Most centers in the league are 300 to 305, and less after a good morning’s dump. And no one can question his work ethic, heart, and loyalty.

by dylan415 on Dec 15, 2009 8:10 PM EST up reply actions  

Give it up dylan, I tried making that case a few months ago. People don't want to hear it.

The Lions O line needs a major upgrade at the Guard position…….in the short term. Then look at the Left Tackle [Backus is getting old] and Right Tackle [Gosder needs to improve] positions in the long term. Long term in the NFL meaning NEXT YEAR.

Have not seen you on here in a while dylan. Good to have you back.

by NorthLeft12 on Dec 16, 2009 11:00 AM EST up reply actions  

Players & coaching staff

Ok so your 2 and 11 your team is playing for nothing. You keep on starting a old QB who has less than maybe 2 years left in him and has done nothing since he has been there. THAT IS SUPER DUMB.
You need to start looking at all your tapes bench players that are not performing players that draw stupid flags and not tackleing or swatting down balls.
You can now treat this as a preseason you have nothing to loose and everything to gain. Play your younger players more and sub in the veterians who are not playing up to there potental. Start DREW STANTON run more play action and bootlegs thats what hes good at.
If they do not do this the LIONS will continue to loose every year.

by DEMEYERS on Dec 15, 2009 11:26 AM EST reply actions  

Why does everyone think Schwartz is such a good coach ,I dont think he’s done anything then any other Detroit coach has done,what makes him so special.Detroit is a bad team and always will be thats just a fact all the way around.The only bright spot on that team was last year and that was the offensive coach (or was it two years) and that was Mark Martz and they got rid of him,He liked Stanton alot when he was here.

by rut1 on Dec 15, 2009 1:22 PM EST reply actions  

Mike Martz....

yeah he liked Stanton so much he changed his whole throwing motion and mechanics. Then Martz got the boot and they changed everything back the next year. Set the kid back 2-3 yrs atleast, not to mention what it did to his confidence and trust in his coaching.

by j16941 on Dec 15, 2009 4:15 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't understand

Why everyone seems to have such a love affair for Stanton… in the limited action i’ve seen he has never impressed me… 2 INTs in 11 pass attempts in the GB game, amazing… Also, like someone else mentioned on a different post, everytime he’s ever been in game it looks like he’s worn out/exhausted after about 5 plays… My main question related to the coaching staff is, if he’s that bad why is he still on the roster? Why not just resign danny boy from last year or something…

by BenderCU on Dec 15, 2009 1:41 PM EST reply actions  

As soon as Stanton came in the GB game...

the Lions immediately started moving the ball. Stanton had 57 yds passing in 1 Quarter of scrub time with no run support due to the score of the game.

And its NOT a love affair.

Its more that I’m sick of watching Culpepper. I actually fell asleep during the game. WTF?

by CLF on Dec 15, 2009 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

Not a love affair with Stanton

Just my hate affair for fat ass CPep and his horrnedous play is much stronger

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by NYCLionsfan on Dec 15, 2009 7:30 PM EST up reply actions  

+2

What? He can’t block a dead gopher? Humph, details.

by GRLion on Dec 16, 2009 12:13 AM EST up reply actions  

I don't love Stanton, but to be fair

At least one of his picks in GB was Grew catching the ball and tossing it up in the air for the CB to grab.

by ATL Lion on Dec 16, 2009 12:48 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't like wishing hurt on people

But maybe Culpepper could get a twinge in his hammy…

2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).
Zack Follett: he will hurt your mind.

by Hyperion Ecta on Dec 15, 2009 4:37 PM EST reply actions  

You know, this may not be entirely Schwartz's decision to make excuses for Culpepper

There’s an 800 Lb gorilla in the room we’re all forgetting about……..Martin Mayhew.

When Schwartz started Stafford a couple weeks ago and benched Culpepper right before the game, who did Pep immediately run and complain to? Martin Mayhew.

I’ve said before that maybe it’s something personal with the coaches and Stanton. I also said once that maybe it’s also personal with Culpepper, too. I’m still wondering that. Maybe Culpepper is buddies with Mayhew, and Mayhew will support Pep over Stanton until the end of time. Office politics…….it happens in the NFL, too.

The scary part is now that it’s clear that no other team will want Culpepper even as a backup, Mayhew may keep the washed up Culpepper in the league by resigning him to another contract to continue as our backup QB.

If it happens, remember you heard it here first.

What? He can’t block a dead gopher? Humph, details.

by GRLion on Dec 16, 2009 12:23 AM EST reply actions  

Schwartz backing off of his accountability promise also smells of Mayhew's influence

I’m guessing Mayhew calmed down Schwartz after the game and explained things.

We’ve benched and rebenched the secondary so much another benching will have no effect there. More likely, Schwartz was thinking cutting some guys from the team, like maybe Philip Buchanon, among others. Even on offense, after the game Dennis Northcutt seemed unconcerned and babbled something in an interview about watching film to see if there was some technique he could improve. But this was not that kind of game. This game was not about technique. This game was about CATCH THE DAMN BALL, WRAP UP AND TACKLE SOMEBODY, TRY, CARE ABOUT WHAT YOU’RE DOING, AND DON’T QUIT!

So Schwartz probably wants to cut some players to send a message. But Mayhew (and possibly Tom Lewand, too) likely explained the impracticality of doing so. There’s 3 games left in the season. For contract and cap reasons, etc, it’s probably better to cut some/most of these guys after the season, especially guys with multi-year contracts, I’m guessing. That’s why teams do it that way. I’m guessing Mayhew will make some cuts before Feb. 2.

What? He can’t block a dead gopher? Humph, details.

by GRLion on Dec 16, 2009 12:41 AM EST reply actions  

Could be

This mystery may not ever be solved!! CPep and his 30 QB rating: PLEASE GO AWAY!!!

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by NYCLionsfan on Dec 16, 2009 8:36 AM EST up reply actions  

Care about what you are doing and don`t quit!

Character, hart and passion…All things Marinelli boasted about, sure not seeing much of it. To many missed assignments and lack of fundamentals, guys out of position or over persuing, quiting on plays and penalties.

by lionsfan64 on Dec 16, 2009 10:30 AM EST up reply actions  

All I can think is that Stanton craps himself before the game

I mean, how bad do you have to be to sit behind the sinking pile of fail that is Culpepper? And who cares what happened in preseason when you are watching this guy go out and suck donkey cock for 60 min every sunday? Maybe people changed over the last 15 weeks?

by ATL Lion on Dec 16, 2009 12:50 PM EST reply actions  

I have no idea

Why on earth is Culpepper still even playing? He sucks. He’s not going to play anywhere next year, and he’s not a real backup. We already know that Stanton isn’t a starter, we should at least see if he has what it takes to be a back up. I don’t see any long term benefit of having Cpepp play. It’s not like we’re going to win.

by rmatheny on Dec 16, 2009 7:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Culpepper Blows

Wait till this week when they play Arizona,I dont know what it is but the coaching staff seems to make excuses for this guy.I dont get it .It doesnt matter how bad he plays they seem to always blame some other part of the team.Its like what everyone is saying Stanton wont play who cares if he fucks up whats the differance put him in and give him a chance if he sucks so be it.Its not like the lions are going anywhere .If they get a good draft pick the lions will fuck that up too,they always do.Why do you think the Red Wings have been so good besides being a first class organization they know how to draft and recruit .

by rut1 on Dec 17, 2009 3:12 AM EST up reply actions  

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