Need Some Help With Mock Draft For Lions [REVAMPED]
Hello Pride of Detroit my name is AK513 from over on CincyJungle, have been doing some research on your team for the upcoming 2010 NFL Draft, I currently have you guys picking 2nd, If Suh is gone will you guys go after?
I looked up some numbers and have found a dilemma:
Pass D is ranked 32nd
Rush D is ranked 24th
Sacks ranked 28th
INTs ranked 28th
39 Sacks Given up Overall 26th
I currently have the Rams taking Suh so my question is who would you guys draft with at No.2 if Suh is indeed gone?
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no our d line is a big part of this teams downfall
our o line is not so great either, but our d line is our biggest priority
Kevin Smith let em kno, Ernie Sims Break em, Calvin Johnson you already Kno
2009 Detroit Lions 6-10 to 8-8
by DetroitLions 4 life on Dec 22, 2009 4:20 PM EST reply actions
i just cant see okung happoning
http://draftdebacled.com/publisheddraft.aspx?mdid=3421
thats a link to mine i have Cincy going TE Jermaine Gresham.. what you think??
but IMO Berry or Morgan or McCoy would be pick if suh is gone
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If Jermaine Gresham is there I would believe we would take him, but there are a couple of possiblities we could go with if Gresham and Damian Williams are both there, We also like USC players, Carson Palmer likes to use his influence on drafting USC players.. but If Jermaine Gresham falls that far we will definitely add him
well link you draft in when you are done i like mocking and it all ways nice to se what people think
even if the have suh going to ram /bash head on wall
My guess...
would be Berry. Not so much because our team needs a safety, but more because that seems to be the way this staff likes to draft by taking the best player available. And from everything I’ve heard, Berry is right behind Suh as top player goes.
yeah that would suck
Based on last years experience, I’m sure the staff will be talking with the agents of all the players they will consider with that pick to try and get a good deal financially as well.
I'd guess
Berry or McCoy. They seem to have a higher rating across most mock drafts then Okung. I’d actually put Derrick Morgan on that list over McClain.
me too
The mental/psychological side of the game is often overlooked/underrated. Lots of players have physical talent, some more than others. Winners have physical talent, but also mental toughness, awareness, and an inner fire.
Dick Butkus had an inner fire. So did Ronnie Lott. So does Ray Lewis. So does Louis Delmas. So does Eric Berry. So does Brandon Spikes. I like Spikes a lot. A step slow at MLB? So is Larry Foote and Ray Lewis. Lewis makes up for it with awareness and positioning. Many defenses contain the outside and funnel the action toward the MLB. Spikes is a player.
What? He can’t block a dead gopher? Humph, details.
the thing i read about Spikes and McClain...
Spikes is a 4-3 guy. While McClain is a 3-4 guy. If that really matters that much in the NFL. But if it were me. I would want Spikes for the same reasons you pointed out GRL
if the shoe fits...get another one just like it - George Carlin
I voted for Gerald McCoy, but Derrick Morgan will get a long look here.
Well before Haden or McClain. It is gonna be a close call I think. I just think McCoy gives us the inside pass rush that we desperately need.
I would not get bent out of shape about any of those four [Berry, Okung, McCoy, or Morgan] going to the Lions at #2.
Hopefully there would be some interest in someone trading up, but I would not count on it.
Okung, Berry, McCoy
In that order. We know our O-Line is atrocious so OL help is obvious, but do we get a LT when Backus remains at least decent? I don’t know, Cherilus has struggled so maybe he is on the out, but that’s another 1st round pick down the drain. But then, as others have brought up, Okung could play guard to start off and we all know we need a guard. Maybe that is the way to go.
Berry on the other hand seems to be a strong player and if placed beside Delmas could provide us with a strong secondary (if a CB is also picked). However, I don’t think Safety is in such a great need, well, at least compared to other positions.
McCoy provides us with a talent on the D-line, but as some have said, he doesn’t dominate like Suh and I’m afraid without another good player on the DL, he might have trouble dealing with the blocking he will inevitably get.
2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).
Zack Follett: he will hurt your mind.
HE, I am not sure where this switching of Okung to Guard came up.
But some scouting reports I have read have him as an LT only. He relies on technique, agility, and quickness much more than strength. If that is true he will have a tough time on the inside. Especially on the goal line against a guy at least as big as him.
Link: http://www.newerascouting.com/10/russell-okung-scouting-report/
Link 2: http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2010rokung.php
Link 3: http://www.mockingthedraft.com/2009/11/3/1113936/nfl-draft-scouting-report-russell
I like Okung a lot, and would be happy to see him as the Lions LT……..for the next ten years.
Somewhere on your Walterfootball site.....
I read that Okung also works out at guard and that he is versatile enough to play there.
And here is another link to a scouting report on Okung
http://www.newerascouting.com/10/russell-okung-scouting-report/
(I do not agree with a lot of what the scout says, since stats do not lie, but at least he does say that he shows intrigue as a guard prospect).
My guess is with his skills, he'd be better as a guard in a zone-blocking scheme, not our current downhill power-blocking
IMO, Okung’s 2 years too late to be a LG here. It’s LT or nothing here. Bad fit at LG here. That kind of experiment is not worth risking the #2 overall pick on. It’s more likely we’ll just take a LG with a lower pick.
What? He can’t block a dead gopher? Humph, details.
+ A bigger number than can fit in here!
I agree with you GR. Drafting a player in the top three and asking him to change positions sounds incredibly foolish and risky.
If we draft Okung, he should be going to Left Tackle and then try and figure out what to do with Backus. As I think I have made very clear, Okung is not my first or second or third choice at this spot, but he is very close to the other possible picks in value at #2……as long as he is used where he is best.
Yea you guys summed it up for me as well....
I would much rather take a OG in the later rounds. Than waste a #2 pick on a player that we have to wait on to develop into a position of a need now.
if the shoe fits...get another one just like it - George Carlin
My point was this.....
We will take the BPA……if Suh and Berry were gone (I posted this before we had the 2nd pick), Okung will be the BPA.
I agree Okung is third..behind Suh and Berry...
I would be happy if the Lions got Okung if they were not able to get Suh.
if the shoe fits...get another one just like it - George Carlin
Yeah, I'm not sure if it is correct...
Research will be needed to truly find out, but maybe some shifting will solve the problem. Now, while I’m not completely on board with this idea, how about possibly moving Cherilus inside to G allowing Okung to slot in on the right edge. I know, it’s a lot of shuffling and I’m not completely unsure if their skill sets will be beneficial in those situations but these things must be considered.
2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).
Zack Follett: he will hurt your mind.
by Hyperion Ecta on Dec 23, 2009 2:28 AM EST up reply actions
Not sure if Schwartz would move him inside.
That would involve him putting on weight. That you hope he could shed in a couple years, to take Backus’s spot. I see Okung as the 2nd pick if Suh is gone. And then him working on the RT side for 2 yrs. Give Gos 14 Chunky Soups a day till he’s BIG enough to play RG.
I'm not sure Schwartz wants to do ANY shifting
Haven’t seen any sign of it so far………just 4 starters staying put (when healthy), and a revolving door at LG. As I like to say, the proof’s in the pudding. Actions speak louder than words. So it sounds like we’ll just draft a LG and call it good.
What? He can’t block a dead gopher? Humph, details.
FUCK I JUST FOUND OUT OKUNG WENT TO GEORGE BUSH HIGH SCHOOL...
I Don’t Want HIM ANY MORE, Bring on Kerry.. opps I Mean BERRY!
If Berry declares.....
and Suh is gone at pick 2……Berry will be the BPA. I think we will pick him if Suh is gone.
I have to go with OKung
If Suh isn’t there our #1 priority is take the best OL or DT. From what I have read the next BPA at either of those positions AFTER SUH is Russell. I would be happy with that pick but estatic if we landed Suh.
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Okung as well
The positional value of a left tackle at #2 is better than another safety. But I do agree that Morgan could be another option when this all sorts itself out.
All in all
the good news is that for the second year in a row we get to reap the benefits of competent managment and, hopefully, another solid draft class like 2009.
Really hoping that Mayhew didn’t learn too much from Millen – my guess is he didn’t. A lof of NFL people said Mayhew was a real “up and commer” despite his ties with Millen. Let’s all hope………..and pray……………and PARTY if we land SUH
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Talent
Well i don’t really blame management or Schwartz this season because lets face it, Millen left us with s*** and we had our first good draft in probably 10 years. Im a big fan of Suh but even though OL and DL and CB are huge needs… if We had Eric Berry and Delmas in our backfield, we would be set for a good 10 years.
We need Guards not tackles right now, i think Jansen will resign and he has done already as a utility player. We can get a guard in the 2nd or 3rd round. I have to go with McCoy IF Suh isn’t there, our dline needs to stop the bleeding and with Sammie Lee, could be something in a few years. We know Schwartz is drafting size for the line positions, so maybe Suh could be our Calvin Johnson on Defense if he’s there.
by Liontotheextreme on Dec 22, 2009 9:46 PM EST reply actions
OKUNG
SEEMS like a reach at the 2nd pick. His run blocking needs a lot of work. I think we go berry and then McCoy. I like Okung just not at the 2nd pick. The thing I like abour berry is he can play corner as well.
It will likely be Berry if we can't have Suh
I have the Rams taking Jimmy Clausen and our Lions getting Suh…….but if you have the Rams taking Suh, then……….
We need another safety. Berry might be the 2nd best defensive player in this draft. He’s a perfect fir as a LS alongside Delmas. Both are super aggressive, are fast, can cover, have ball skills, can tackle and hit people. Both have great awareness, anticipation, and an inner fire.
Definitely not Gerald McCoy. Mortal lock. Bad fit here, better as a Tampa 2 DT. Too small, too weak to play here……possible bust wherever he lands. He won’t land here. Not Gunther’s kind of DT. Bad fit. Schwartz wants the team to get bigger and more physical. You don’t do that by getting smaller and weaker. Makes no logical sense.
Haden’s a nice player, perfect fit here, fast, athletic cover CB with good man coverage and good ball skills…….but it seems like a reach at #2.
McLain not really on our radar……Larry Foote has done well here, still has tread on the tires, wants to resign and retire here.
Okung is a possibility, but we run a downhill power blocking scheme now, ditched the zone blocking. Okung would be fine at LT, but continuity is favored here and no signs of dumping Backus. We have an opening at LG, but Okung not as good a fit there in our scheme…..he’d be a better guard in a zone-blocking scheme. Instead of drafting LT Okung to learn LG in the NFL, then switching him back to LT later, have him learn again, and hope it all works out………we’d be safer to just take a LG with a lower pick and leave him at LG, and address LT another time.
Eric Berry seems like the obvious choice in the unlikely chance we don’t get Suh at #2. However, I still think it’s Clausen #1, Suh #2.
Good luck with your mock!
What? He can’t block a dead gopher? Humph, details.
I disagree about the D Line personnel.
Look at the teams playing a four man front. None of them have two big bodies [+320 pounds or so] playing both DT spots. Minnesota is the closest with the Williams wall, but that is because Kevin Williams is an oversized penetrator at 310 pounds. If you read any of the scouting reports it is believed that McCoy has the body frame to add ten to fifteen pounds.
Anyway I am not going to convince you naysayers, I just hope for your sanity next draft day the Lions do not pick McCoy.
well that could be the "Great Debate 2010"...McCoy v. Berry v. Morgan v. Okung.
of course only if we cant get Suh…..
if the shoe fits...get another one just like it - George Carlin
You know the post-draft debate is gonna be hellatious on POD
However I am looking forward to it!!
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It's gonna be awesome
2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).
Zack Follett: he will hurt your mind.
by Hyperion Ecta on Dec 23, 2009 9:22 PM EST up reply actions
I voted Berry
Who would not want a safety combo of Steve Atwater(a.k.a Delmas) and Ed Reed (a.k.a. Berry)?
if the shoe fits...get another one just like it - George Carlin
I'd rather have Suh
But that’s drool-worthy.
I haven’t really seen Berry play, but if he’s as good as people say he is, that’d be amazing. Safety was my old position (and my favorite in football) so to have two head knockers in the defensive backfield would be great.
Delmas and Berry would be a nice combination
I think a Safety needs to be taken at some point soon, but I’d look elsewhere for talent at first. I wouldn’t argue with Berry’s selection though.
2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).
Zack Follett: he will hurt your mind.
by Hyperion Ecta on Dec 23, 2009 9:23 PM EST up reply actions
Derrick Morgan vs. Eric Berry vs. Gerald McCoy
Derrick Morgan after the great feedback from you guys I am heavily considering Derrick Morgan/ Eric Berry/Gerald McCoy, I am considering revamping the poll.. what do you guys think of Morgan at no.2? I’ve read up on Gunther Cunningham and it seems like Derrick Morgan could provide the pressure he wants to have. It seems Cunningham wants to blitz and bring pressure, this is also why I am heavily considering Eric Berry, who would allow them to be able to do just that. My only problem with Berry is the position of him being drafted. Sean Taylor was drafted 5th overall and he was an extraordinary talent, which makes me question if no.2 overall is too high for a elite safety to be drafted? I need your thoughts guys because I’m completely torn on this one Derrick Morgan could generate great pressure for you guys along with Ernie Sims & Delmas while Berry provides a positive as well
i think your thinking to much about it
none of them are worth 2nd pick(other then suh) so just pick any of the 3 and you likley wont see any lions fan complane
Cool
2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).
Zack Follett: he will hurt your mind.
by Hyperion Ecta on Dec 23, 2009 9:24 PM EST up reply actions

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