I want me some Ndamukong Suh
by Sean Yuille on Dec 5, 2009 10:55 PM EST
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SUH is my first round selection
The Guy is a true Lion…….
Im with you
I think he will be taken before we pick though. I have a feeling we will get us some Gerald McCoy. Which isnt too bad, McCoy is still one hell of a prospect.
........for some other team
Bad fit here. Like I said on another thread, I’d rather have a DT who plays great for 2 downs than one who plays crappy for 3. If we had McCoy here in this system, he’d play crappy for 3 downs. No thanks.
And I’ll say it again. Gerald McCoy is a bad fit here. The Lions will not draft him. Guaranteed. Mortal lock.
What? He can’t block a dead gopher? Humph, details.
Disagree. McCoy is the perfect complement to the Big Sammie.
McCoy is a 4-3 DT under tackle which is exactly what we need. Another big body who can’t rush the passer will just perpetuate the pass defence issues we have now. We are stopping the run pretty effectively this year. That was my one wish for the defence. I could not believe that the pass defence would actually get worse than 2008.
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And you think an under tackle, who is undersized and weak, will do a better job at generating a pass rush? No way. McCoy is not all that you think he is.
You think Gerald McCoy is undersized and weak? 6'4" and 295 or 298 pounds.
Come on KDawg, Suh is 6’4" and 300 or 305 pounds. Why don’t you call him undersized? Is it that last five pounds that has a guy go from tiny to monster? From what I have read McCoy has a big enough frame to add ten to fifteen pounds if he wants. He will be 22 years old in February.
Not sure what your problem with McCoy is, but virtually every NFL scouting site has him in the top ten if not top five prospects. Calling him weak and undersized is just ridiculous. Read through his scouting reports.
You want big, immobile, heavy guys as your DTs. I get it.
The same scouting sites that gave HWMNBN
Grades of A’s and B’s during his “reign”? I dont like McCoy, he has Bust written all over his chubby ass. The 5-10lb difference between Suh, and McCoy is that Suh is a ripped monster who can take on double teams and chase down the QB.
I never have been a fan of drafting a DT in the 1st round, they bust (out of their pants) too often. But when there is a rare talent (Suh) you have to take him. And I dont think the DT position this year is talented enough to warrant 2 top 5 picks. dont see it.
PS: I am a “large” man, so the above comments should not be seen as offensive to those who think I am being insensitive. lol
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by Leapin Lion on Dec 18, 2009 10:56 AM EST up reply actions
I'm a large man too....
6’2 295…..ding ding
I say McCoy is undersized, but what I really mean is that he does NOT play up to my expectations for a guy that is that big. He can not split a double team to save his life, and that is why I say he is weak. I have watched him play multiple times this season, and I have watched Suh play. If the difference is 5 pounds or 25 pounds, it doesn’t matter because Suh dominates EVERYONE and McCoy only dominates in one on one scenarios against lesser opponents. He is not as mobile and agile as Suh, and he has nowhere near the strength. My problem with McCoy is that he comes from a school where players are typically over rated by the national media. I see him as another Cory Redding…..and that is my real problem with him.
+100
I agree with KDawg. I’ve seen McCoy play too, and noticed the exact same things. Suh is ripped with low body fat and excellent strength for his size. Suh dominates and throws people aside. Funny that KDawg compared Gerald McCoy to Cory Redding……..I had thought the exact same thing. McCoy’s only chance to be effective in the NFL is by going to a Tampa 2 defense……and even then, no guarantees, due to his relative lack of strength and agility for his size. McCoy is a one-trick pony with a quick first step. He also reminds me of Glenn Dorsey. Way too risky, a bad fit for most teams, and a VERY bad fit here. No thanks.
What? He can’t block a dead gopher? Humph, details.
Prospects
Thier all good prospects till they get to the Lions and they never pan out or are always hurt
you're right!
I wasnt a fan at first, till i saw the highlights from the game.
Suh is a beast!!!!
He should be our first pick no doubt!
Suh is the best player in College football. Period.
I am not sure how anyone with a Heisman ballot could vote for McCoy, Tebow, or Ingram after looking at Suh’s stats or better yet watching a few of his games.
Really makes me wonder how Woodson beat out Peyton Manning. Maybe they should have let Suh carry the ball instead of just blocking.
Michigan went undefeated
That’s how. If Nebraska had any offense Suh would have a chance. Similar to the Stanford back. if they were a 1-loss team he would probably win.
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Sorry Sean, I thought it was about the individual player?
Can you imagine where Nebraska would be without Suh?
I just think the Heisman is completely about stats anymore. Sorry, OFFENSIVE stats. I don’t think the voters watch defensive players at all. Frankly, I doubt they watch much college football besides the shootout games.
It ought to be about the individual player
But now-a-days it’s all about 1) is that player hyped up (i.e. McCoy, Tebow, etc.), and 2) is he on a good team? Personally my top 2 would be Suh and Gerhart, and Ingram 3rd. McCoy barely deserves to go to NYC, and I will be so pissed if Tebow is there.
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by Sean Yuille on Dec 7, 2009 2:39 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I saw the VT game and thought he was quite a standout
But last night he single handedly (almost) beat a team going to the championship game. I have not seen a single player dominate a game like that in a long time. And I have never seen a college DT play like that. I want some.
Unless the 1st team takes a QB and and we pick 2nd...
Its going to be hard to get him fellas. He has the MORE obvious skill and hype coming out than Sapp did.
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Lets just say I have become a very Big
St. Louis, and Tampa Bay fan. We need both to win in the next 5 games, or we don’t have a shot. I don’t think Cleveland will take him, but if TB has a shot he’s gone.
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Agreed
The Rams might be content with Boller at QB too, just so they could have Suh. If the Rams pick a QB, and the Browns have the 2nd pick, I do not see CLE taking a DT unless they can move Big Baby in a trade. If the Browns pass on Suh, and Tampa has the 3rd pick, Suh will be a Buccaneer just like Sapp was.
I think it will come down to Tampa Bay...
I dont see Cleveland or St.Louis drafting Suh.. Know if TB can just that second win. It could come down to a coin flip.
Getting Suh would be the start of something awesome from our defense.
if the shoe fits...get another one just like it - George Carlin
hmm
I see St Louis going for a QB, but I think Cleveland and Tampa are in the market for a DT like that. I don’t think BigBaby is the answer at DT enough to pass on Suh. But then again, Mangina is just stupid enough to pass…
well they play the 3-4...
that’s alot of money to have wrapped up in one position. They also have Corey Williams. He is having a good year, as a back-up/starter. I see Eric Berry going to Cleveland( I hope ).
if the shoe fits...get another one just like it - George Carlin
OK, I'm convinced
4 sacks, total domination. Wow. I’m sold. Let’s get Suh if we can.
What? He can’t block a dead gopher? Humph, details.
Let's remember guys...
….we are not out of the woods yet with avoiding the 1st pick of the draft. Knowing our luck especially, TB, CLE, and STL will find ways to win a couple of more games.
GO LIONS! RESTORE THE ROAR!
Picks
I think TB will go Offensive Tackle, STL will go QB, and CLE will go OT as well (maybe defense though).
GO LIONS! RESTORE THE ROAR!
Disagree Twon82
Tampa Bay’s O line is actually okay, and is fairly young. Their defensive line is a disaster. Cleveland has one of the best LTs in the NFL [Joe Thomas] and would be nuts to draft a Right Tackle this early. They may go QB, but I think they are more interested in a DT or possibly Berry.
The Rams may go with a QB, but if Suh continues to impress at the combine and if a QB, or two, don’t, they may look to Suh as the best value. The St. Louis DTs are not very good. Their run defence is giving up 4.8 yards per rush, 148 yards per game and 15 TDs. They have only had 18 sacks and that is with a few good ends too [Little, Long, and Hall]. I think they will take Suh unless a QB really catches their eye.
I hate to say it but I don’t think the Lions can get Suh with anything less than the #2 pick. I really doubt that two teams will pass on him. One might.
Agree with North...
Tampa Bay will be the biggest obstacle for the Lions getting Suh. St.Louis can go either way. As, bad as their run defense is. Their Passing offense is one of the worst in the league. I hope they look at the 08’ Falcons and Ravens. As a blueprint for bring in a rookie quarterback. Or better yet. Aaron Rodgers and Green Bay. They have their LT in place( Alex Barron is a upcoming FA). They have a good running game. Lets hope they hire Wies as their new OC. And that Claussen is worthy of a 1st or 2nd pick.
It is alot of wishful thinking on my part right now. But all I want Santa Claus to bring me. Is a big nasty DT named Suh.
if the shoe fits...get another one just like it - George Carlin
STL
Clausen has declared that he is entering the draft and supposedly the Rams are in love with him…
Lions cant get him
Suh will most likely be the first pick in the draft, whoever it is. T-Bay would for sure take him if they have the top pick. The Browns would loooove to have a guy like him in the middle of their 3-4 defense (they really dont like Shaun Rogers all that much).
The only way i see the lions getting Suh is if STL ends up with the top pick, and the lions get the 2nd pick.
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anyone else think there is an outside chance that Dunlap drops to the 2nd round due to his arrest?
man, getting him the the 2nd round would be such a steal!!
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Read that over real slow CL
I know he’s talented, but I just found it humorous.
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I don't know, he has been very mediocre this year.
If he acts like this now, what happens when he gets a pile of money? I think he will still be a risk in the second round. There are a number of DEs that I would take before him.
Greg Hardy better choice
Physically, Hardy is a Dunlap clone,and has character issues like Dunlap, but it is far more likely that hardy falls to the second round then dunlap. Heck, i could see hardy falling to the third round (in which case he would be a steal).
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have you seen this guy Everson Griffen from USC?
I have seen a few USC games. This guy can play. He is 6’3 275lb. Runs a 4.5. He is only a Jr. But he could be this years’ Aaron Curry. Someone who has an awesome combine and jumps up the big boards fast.
if the shoe fits...get another one just like it - George Carlin
havent heard of him
what are the chances of him coming out this year?
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well he is a USC guy...so there is a good chance that is already on someone's payroll
depends what advice he gets. If he would be a high pick he will declare.
if the shoe fits...get another one just like it - George Carlin
Very funny JC
I agree. Griffen would be an excellent pick up in the second round if he declares. I am just not sure that he makes it that far. Depends on how Hardy and Dunlap look at the combine. There are a few other DEs that may be available early in the third round. CJ Wilson, Austen Lane, Greg Romeus, Cory Wooten, Jason Pierre-Paul, Jeremy Beal, and maybe Brandon Graham. It will be interesting to see who declares and where these guys stand after going through the off season grinder.
the more guys declare...the bigger the talent pool gets..
if the shoe fits...get another one just like it - George Carlin
Correct, the deeper the pool the better.
I am not worried about other teams getting better, I am only worried about the Lions getting better.
I've heard of Everson Griffin since he was a freshman
He came in as a highly touted freshman. Had to wait for his chance. Has a reputation as a physical freak…..very fast for his great size. He’s looked good what little I’ve seen. He’s definitely on my radar.
What? He can’t block a dead gopher? Humph, details.
just did a little more research on DEs
looks like a pretty deep draft, so i would say take someone in the third round. I think a guy like Brandon Graham should still be there
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Where did he play?
(looks furtively at the growing pile of gamey pelts in the corner)
What? He can’t block a dead gopher? Humph, details.
Suh
At first I was convinced that the lions needed OL and needed to draft Russell Okung but after last nights game I now believe this guy is a game changer and we all know how Schwartz can work his defense with a dominating DT.
OH YEA
while we needs corners corners corners and O lineman I can’t say know him and Sammie lee with Avril could cause damager on the D line something schwartz can do
I wanted Suh before.
And after what I saw him do last night in the biggest game of his college career. We need him. A player like that is the kind of monster that makes every other player on the field look better and play better.
SUUUUUUHHHH for Heisman!!!!!!! lol.
I'm all for a bit of Suh
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Would anybody favor trading UP for Suh, if that's what it takes?
Suppose the draft order goes
1. Cleveland – doesn’t take Suh
2. St. Louis – on the clock
3. Tampa Bay
4. Detroit
We can all but throw out the possibility of getting Suh if Tampa is above us. But suppose we could trade up to #2 with St. Louis (suppose they want a QB — it’s a safe move for them because they know DET and TB just spent first-round picks on QB’s last year, so we won’t this year. So STL will have the same selections at #4 as they do at #2, and save a couple mil on salary).
What is the most would you be willing to trade as a package to move from #4 to #2?
- a later round pick or less
- trade our 3rd for STL’s 4th (we move down a whole round)
- trade our 2nd for STL’s 3rd (we move down a whole round)
- give up our 3rd next year
- give up our 3rd this year
- give up our 2nd next year
- give up our 2nd this year
I should put this in a poll or something
Interesting scenario n4ry4
St. Louis will likely want our second this year. I am not willing to give up anymore than a fourth round pick this year or possibly a third next year.
I know the guy is great and all that, but I really hate giving up multiple picks for one guy when we have so many holes that need to be filled. We have other options.
I agree on not giving up picks with all our holes
But (assuming STL wants a QB), irrespective of the “value chart”, the Rams would almost be better off trading #2 for #4 straight up, if you think about it. Lower salary, same selection of QB’s (because the Lions and Bucs won’t take a QB).
So, I don’t think it would need to be too expensive for the trade to benefit St Louis. They’d get the same guy at #4 as they would have at #2. Anything on top of that is gravy.
I agree that a 4th this year or a 3rd next year would be the absolute most we should give up. It’s too easy to get wrapped up in the “we absolutely NEED that rookie over there” mindset, but Gerald McCoy or Eric Berry would surely help improve our defense if we didn’t get Suh.
If we were moving down but not losing picks, I would trade down a whole round from the 3rd to the 4th to move up for Suh, but I’d be very hesitant to trade down from the 2nd to the 3rd. Those top-of-the-2nd picks are very valuable.
I am okay with your switching of picks too.
The pool of talent may be pretty deep this year so we may not lose much by that switch.
they're not gonna just switch picks
not with the lions at least. if they decide to go that route, they could go lower than the lions then. the next few teams after detroit also have a set qb, other than the raiders, but i doubt they have fully given up on russell.
plus, if tampa or any other team finds out that the rams wanna trade down, then surely you will have plenty of buyers who would give up a 3rd or 4th rounder to move up to take him
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I'm always wary about giving up picks
The holes are too numerous. I’d rather us try to get more picks. If that scenario were to occur though, I say pick Okung or McCoy (or someone else, long time to April).
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by Hyperion Ecta on Dec 8, 2009 6:39 PM EST up reply actions
Don't worry...
If Culpepper starts a couple games, the Lions will move up a couple spots in the draft. Since its a small jump, it might only take a 2nd rounder and maybe a player…. Sims?
"only" a 2nd rounder?
A high second-round pick is a very talented player who is expected to make an immediate impact on the team. A Louis Delmas-quality player hopefully.
Our second-round pick is where we could probably fill a massive hole by getting the best Guard or second-best cornerback in the draft. Or a solid tackle. Or a deep-threat receiver to play opposite CJ.
I wouldn’t give up a 2nd-rounder to get Suh instead of McCoy.
I might trade down from the 2nd to the 3rd. That means, probably, picking the 5th or 6th best guy at a position instead of the 2nd best guy, but still a quality player.
We have holes all over the place, we NEED our second-rounders.
When's the last time...
you saw a Rookie DT that required the opponents to double team full time?
Suh IS 2 players in one….lol.
by CLF on Dec 8, 2009 1:20 PM EST up reply actions
I wouldn't do it
We have too many holes to give up a second-rounder.
I know it’s almost draft hype season, where big names seem to be worth infinite money and draft picks, but we have almost an entire roster to rebuild. We need that second-round pick.
CLF...
its hard to say whether Suh is two players. Dont get me wrong, he is by far the best player in the draft, but he is still only a college player with no NFL experience. we have seen plenty of players absolutely dominate at the college level only to fizzle at the pros (Reggie Bush anyone???), so its not worth a high second round pick to move up and take him, especially when we have so many holes.
A high second round pick is the most valuable pick in the draft in terms of salary, and talent. Look at what we got in the first pick of the second round, and look at how much we are paying him.
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Nice. To paraphrase Johnny Cash.............
MY NAME IS SUH! HOW DO YOU DO? NOW YOU GONNA DIE!!!!!!!!!!!!
What? He can’t block a dead gopher? Humph, details.
Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hYc0fAN2C_4&feature=related
What? He can’t block a dead gopher? Humph, details.
Take whoever is there
1st Choice Ndamukong Suh
2nd Choice Eric Berry
3rd Choice CJ Spiller
4th Choice Russell Okung
5th Choice Terrence Cody
6th Choice Taylor Mays
7th Choice Trent Williams
My personal dream is one of these 2
RD 1 Ndamukong Suh
RD 2 Patrick Robinson
RD 3 Barry Church
or
RD 1 Eric Berry
RD 2 Dan Williams
RD 3 Mick Williams
Last name Williams
is getting to be a bad thing here in Detroit..Mike Williams, did not pan out, Roy Williams, either quit or got old, still not sure what is happening with him, Thanks for the trade though, and now Maurice Williams can`t pass a physical. Maybe we should try a name like Smith, Jones or White, some other generic last name.
Let me check real quick...
….yeah. I just shit my pants.
I don’t watch college football much at all, but holy shit.
I would LOVE to hear the Detroit fans cheering SUHHHHHHHHHHH whenever he breaks into the backfield. That’s a guy you give up alot for.
Suh possibily best DL out of college since Reggie W....
But heres hopping we move out of the top 5 with a win or two, would be fine with Okung or Berry as well; but I would love for ys to get Vladimir Ducasse in the second, going to Umass I’ve seen the Ducasse dominate opponents and he has the ability to play both RT and OG at the next level, giving us a little flexibility on the line, but I’m probably just being biased.
3 picks=1000 lbs of linemen
I don`t care what side of the ball, we have to get control of oneside or the other. OG and a DT and a match for either one would be great, DB`s and other stuff can come later even if FA`s. We need young lines to build around.
Just listened to him interviewed on Jim Rome
He came off sounding intelligent and humble… coincidentally, my love of him continues to expand faster than the universe
Same
I’m becoming a huge Rams, Browns, and Bucs fan these last few weeks. I’m not as concerned about STL, maybe a little about Cleveland, but TB worries me.
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I am rooting hardest for Tampa Bay to win one more game......
If the Rams, Browns, and Lions fail to win another game, but Tampa does, then we will have the 3rd pick and I will be much less worried that we have no chance at getting Suh with our pick. If St. Louis and Cleveland are the only two teams picking ahead of us, I could see a QB going #1 to the Rams, and Berry or CJ Spiller to the Browns. I think that the Rams should be more concerned with a QB than a DT at this point (they have 2 3rd year guys in LaJuan Ramsey and Clifton Ryan at DT now, not the greatest strength of the team, but certainly not the worst either…..or they could also be looking at Mays or Berry to replace Craig Dahl at safety), and I definitely think the Browns should be more concerned with other areas than DT (since they have Rogers already, regardless of what some people may think the Browns think of him). Jamal Lewis is retiring, and they have Jerome Harrison and Chris Jennings as backups, so Spiller could very well be on their radar, not to mention that Abram Elam and Hank Poteat aren’t exactly lighting the world on fire at the safety position in Cleveland (so Berry or Mays could be on their radar too).
I do not like the idea of having another top 3 pick this year, but because the difference in what the Lions will have to pay any top 5 pick is negligible, I would not be upset if ALL three of St. Louis, Cleveland, and Tampa won another game and we ended up with the #1 pick. I think most of you would agree that Suh is worth the #1 pick if we had it.
KDawg...
do you think that either Berry or Spiller are worthy of the #2 pick? Can’t remember the last time a corner/safety went that high. And I don’t think Berry is a lock to be great by any stretch. That’s what concerns me. I just think back three years when CJ was there and the year before him when Reggie Bush was there. We didn’t need a WR and New Orleans didn’t need a RB, but we both drafted them because they were so talented we wouldn’t/couldn’t pass on them. Unfortunately, I see the same thing happening with Suh. Can Cleveland really pass on him at #2? I don’t think so. He’s not the greatest need, but is there any doubt that he can help the Browns? Nope. He could help any team in the league. Actually, I wouldn’t be a bit surprised if the Rams took him either.
Put it this way… if we were picking at #2 and we had two adequate DTs and it wasn’t a need, could/should we pass on Suh for Berry or Spiller or anyone else for that matter? I think there would be an uprising here in Detroit. Trust me… every team in the league that has a shot at the top pick is thinking Suh. I think the staff here has to decide how badly they want Suh and consider trading up for him. If he is that much better than any the other talent in the top ten, then I say we need to at least inquire what it would take to move up one or two spots.
I was just thinking.....
We won’t be drafting a QB or a TE in the first round, and following the mantra of “if the QB is there you have to take him”, I see the Rams taking a QB and I do not see the Browns drafting a DT unless they trade Rogers ahead of time. He gets paid way to much to be a backup NT in a 3-4 defense. Sure, the Browns could take Suh….but he is not a NT right now, and do you pay a guy that much to be a depth player?
Do you think that the Lions would draft a QB this year if there was one out there that they thought was (or could potentially be) better than Stafford? I don’t. So that is my logic in a nutshell. The Rams NEED a QB and they will probably have the #1 pick (and what do teams with the #1 pick do when they need a QB? They generally draft one regardless of who else is available). Do you know who the last DT to be picked #1 was? Dan Wilkinson. No Drew, I only legitimately see the Bucs drafting Suh ahead of us…..but that does not mean that I will not be wrong. Just an opinion.
As for Berry or Spiller being a #2 pick……Scout Inc currently has Taylor Mays ranked as the #4 prospect (Berry has yet to declare eligible for the draft) and Spiller as #6.
http://profootball.scout.com/a.z?s=127&p=9&c=12&yr=2010&nid=83&lnid=124&rc=4
If Taylor Mays is a top 5 prospect, then yeah I can see Berry being there too. Do I think they are top 5 guys? No, but the media does and we have all seen what media hype can do for draft stock. Suh is ranked #1, but Bradford and Clausen are #2 and #3. If the Rams pick first, I am betting on Clausen (I have heard that the Rams are in love with him). That leaves Suh, Bradford, Mays, Okung, Spiller, Dez Bryant, Trent Williams, Golden Tate, and Colt McCoy as Scout’s top 10 prospects. If Cleveland can’t move Big Baby (I don’t see it happening) and his 6 year 42 million dollar contract (over 20 mill guaranteed), then I have my serious doubts that they draft Suh.
Does Cleveland want Bradford or McCoy to add to their QB circus? I doubt it, but I wouldn’t rule it out. Cleveland could use a safety like Mays or Berry (if he declares) and they are ranked in the top 5 or 6 prospects available….or they could use a RB like Spiller who is also ranked in the top 5 or 6 of all prospects…..yes, I could see Berry or Spiller going at #2 to Cleveland and Suh going third to Tampa Bay. There is a difference between having “two adequate defensive tackles” in a 4-3 defense and having 1 highly paid nose tackle in a 3-4. Rogers is supposedly elite remember? He sure got paid as such.
1991 Eric Turner – FS UCLA…..#2 pick in the draft to the Browns, Bruce Pickens – CB Nebraska was #3.
1997 Sean Springs – CB Ohio State, #3 pick in the draft. Bryant Westbrook was #5 and Tom Knight was #9.
1998 Charles Woodson – CB Michigan, #4 pick in the draft. Duane Starks was #10.
1999 Champ Bailey was #7 and Chris McAlister was #10.
2002 Roy Williams (the safety) was #8
2003 Terrence Newman was #5
2004 Sean Taylor was #5, DeAngelo Hall #8, and Dunta Robinson #10
2005 Pacman Jones was #6, Antrel Rolle and Carlos Rogers were #8 and #9
2006 Michael Huff and Donte Whitner were #7 and #8
2007 LaRon Landry was #6
After Dan Wilkinson was draft #1 back in 1994……NO defensive tackle has gone #1 and only 1 (Gerard Warren in 2001) has gone in the top 3.
Since 1994 only 3 DTs have been drafted in the top 5 (Gerard Warren in 01, Dewayne Robertson in 03, and Glenn Dorsey in 08).
Since 1994 only 10 DTs have been drafted in the top 10 (Glenn Dorsey, Sedrick Ellis, Amobi Okoye, Dewayne Robertson, Johnathan Sullivan, Ryan Sims, John Henderson, Gerard Warren, Richard Seymour (drafted as a DT), and Corey Simon).
I agree with you that less safeties get drafted high than DTs (5 in the top 10 since 1994). However, there have been 13 CBs drafted in the top 10 since 1994, and obviously there have been guys drafted outside of the top 10 at any position that turned out better than guys drafted in the top 10. Is Ndamukong Suh any better of a prospect than Gerard Warren was in 2001? Is there any guarantee that he will be as good as or better than Gerard Warren, Dewayne Robertson, or Glenn Dorsey? For that matter is there any guarantee that he will be as good as or better than Warren Sapp, who was the 12th pick back in 1995? All I am saying is that nobody knows who will pan out and who will not, and there is plausible and logical reason to believe that Suh will fall to pick 3 at least.
This does not mean that I do not see him as worthy of the top pick…..it just means that I do not necessarily believe that he will be, beyond a reasonable doubt, or that the Rams and Browns, especially, could not or would not pass on him. 21 QBs have been taken in the top 10 (most of which were in the top 5) since 1994. 21 OL have been taken in the top 10 since 1994. 18 corner backs, 10 DTs, 20 DEs, and 5 safeties have been taken in the top 10 since 1994. 16 RBs and 25 WRs have been taken in the top 10 since 1994. 13 linebackers and 1 TE (Vernon Davis) have been taken in the top 10 since 1994. Makes it pretty obvious that WR, QB, OL, DE, and RB are the predominant positions that are taken in the top 10 (at least over the last 15 years).
Of course, being the predominantly selected position does not mean there will be no outliers, by any means. If a guy like Suh is truly above and beyond every player at all of those positions, then it only makes sense that he will be drafted high. However, as history shows, just as many successful DTs (pro bowlers, all pros, and HOFers) come from outside of the top 10 as those that come from the top 10. Can that be said about every position? Is it a fact or an opinion?
by KDawg on Dec 10, 2009 8:47 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Wow... okay...
that’s a lot to digest. Let’s see… where to start? Well, you kind of made my point with CB/S not being drafted very high. You have to go back to 1991 for one to be taken #2. Believe it or not that’s 18 years! (Good God, I’m getting old) Sure, there are prospects taken in the top ten, but it takes a pretty special DB or even DT, for that matter, to be taken at #2. Now I’m not a college prospect guru by any shot, but I’m not hearing that Berry is considered a “special” player… not like Suh, anyway. That’s a lot of money to pay a corner if he’s not a Charles Woodson-type coming out of college.
Personally, I think Suh would be a perfect DE in the 3-4. He’s got good enough size, strength and speed. That’s where I think Cleveland would still take him.
I don’t completely disagree with you that STL will take Claussen or even Bradford. In fact, it might be highly likely. But I just don’t think Suh will fall very far if his stock stays “super-human” like it is right now. If teams think they are getting someone with Haynesworth-type impact (not saying he is anything like Haynesworth, just that he can be a game-changer at DT), they won’t be likely to pass on him.
BTW… excellent research. Just for the record, I’m not really disagreeing with you. More like, playing devil’s advocate… :o)
Right....:o)
Well for the record I was not really disagreeing with you either…..
I agree with you that less safeties get drafted high than DTs (5 in the top 10 since 1994).
Rather, I was pointing out that DTs being picked in the top 5 are few and far between as well….:o)
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Well written, well researched post KDawg.
Those top ten DTs don’t look all that great, do they? Seymour, Simon, and Henderson have been outstanding, Ellis is looking very good but the rest of the guys are either confirmed busts or trending towards that.
I like Suh a lot, and agree that he is looking like the best player available. He is an excellent fit for Detroit, but then you could say that about Tampa and St. Louis too. Cleveland is the one team that he is not a great fit for.
I disagree with you about St. Louis. I think if they have a shot at Suh they will take him. They have some great parts on their defence and a DT like Suh could really upgrade that unit. They will have a very early draft pick in the second round which could be used on the best QB who slips into that round. It will all come down to who is available at their first pick, and who they think will be available at their second pick. If Mallet and Locker and Snead stay in college, it is more likely that the Rams take a QB with their first pick. In my opinion.
Thanks for the info Kdawg
This is my reasoning for not reaching on a DT other than Suh, who I do not believe is a reach. I think Suh is a one of a kind talent. I think Mccoy is a reach, I dont think he merits being a top 4 pick. And can you honestly step back and think that this class has the talent in the DT position to warrant 2 top 5 picks? I just dont see it. I would prefer taking Okung who is a monster, move him or Backus to LG. We are not in a position to reach, could we trade out of the #4 spot and pick up Mccoy a few picks later? yeah that makes more sense, but you need a dance partner.
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I do not like Gerald McCoy anywhere in the first round.....
That is my opinion…..I think he has BUST written all over him.
I agree with KDawg, I think Gerald McCoy has BUST written all over him
His game is speed, or at least enough speed to catch college players. He’s not that strong, though, and NFL OL aren’t going to let him slice through the line as easily as he does against college players.
The main difference between Suh and McCoy is what I see on film. McCoy shoots a gap, and dives at the QB in the backfield, tackling his legs or making an ankle tackle. Suh pushes his man aside, gets to the QB quickly, and throws the QB to the ground.
IMO, Suh’s style translates well to the NFL. McCoy’s style does not. I see McCoy getting pushed around at the line of scrimmage, and missing tackles in the backfield even if he does get there……and ending up on his face, out of the play.
What? He can’t block a dead gopher? Humph, details.
I would agree to an extent NL
I do not see Mallet or Snead as a quality starting QB in the NFL. I see them as backups and gimmick types.
Locker will be good. McCoy should be good. Bradford will be good if he can stay healthy. I even think Tebow will be good. I know the Rams really like Clausen (and they can have him in my opinion). However, I see all of them going in the first round. The Rams, Raiders, Bucs, Bills, Browns, Dolphins, Chiefs, Seahawks, Panthers, Broncos, and Vikings are all teams that have a potential (if not greater) need at QB.
Sure, the Bucs have Josh Freeman….but are they sold that he will pan out? The Bills have Trent Edwards, who has not been very good. Yes, the Browns have Quinn and Anderson and while they are unlikely to add a first round QB to the mix, can they be eliminated from the possibility? The Dolphins have Chad Henne, who they say is their future guy….but is he? The Chiefs paid big for Matt Cassel, but what has he done since leaving NE? The Panthers own Jake Delhomme is on his last leg, and they have a no name guy behind him. The Broncos say that Kyle Orton has come in and done a great job, yet he is ranked 16th in the league in passing with an 88.2 passer rating? I think they can do better, and maybe they do too (plus they need depth there anyway). The Vikings are currently riding on the arm of Brett Favre, but how long will that last and who else do they have? Answer = nobody.
If I had to say who I thought might take a QB in round 1, I would say the Rams, Raiders, Bills, Panthers, Seahawks, and Vikings. Certainly they could all justify such a pick at this point. Locker, Bradford, McCoy, Tebow, Clausen, and Mallet makes 6…..and then there is Snead. If teams are as hush hush about who they are targeting in the draft (and where) as they are about their weekly injuries and who will and will not play next week, how do you think the top 5 teams will be thinking about taking the chance of waiting for the 2nd round to get Snead or Mallet as their future “franchise” QB? LOL! I would do the smart thing and take the guy that I wanted when I had the chance if I were them (much like the Lions did).
really dont like this year QB class
I think they are waaay overhyped. Guys like Clausen, Bradford and McCoy get so much more credit than they deserve cause they played for high profile programs. Not to say that they will be bad players or anything.
As far as teams picking the QBs, I don’t see T-Bay taking a qb, Freeman, through his play, has instilled enough faith for at least a season or two. Same with Henne and Dolphins, and Cassel and Chiefs. For the Seahawks, I think this is a golden opportunity to take a QB. They don’t have many needs, and that team is pretty much a Left Tackle away from going back to being a playoff team, so I think they would be the best situation for a young QB to end up in.
Panthers and Vikings need to draft a QB this year, again because of the depth at the position. The Raiders are a very interesting situation. They need a QB, but I doubt they will draft one simply because there is no “freak athlete” QB in the draft this year. Maybe Tebow??
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Mallet really?
I love his skill set, I think he will be the top QB to come out of this draft. Not picked overall, but i think he’ll have the best career out of the bunch
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like mallet too
as u said, great skillset, but i question where he gets picked in the draft and whether or no he will get a legitimate shot at being a starting qb in the NFL
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Here's the problem with Mallett
Sure, he has a lot of passing yards and seems to have a good skill set, but Arkansas runs a single wing jet series as it’s base offense (a youth league offensive set). They also run the wildcat (Houston Nutt, their head coach, is the guy that is credited with making it popular). The single wing jet series is a 3 play base offense that relies heavily on the running back (who is also used as a QB). Arkansas ran their QB (Darren McFadden) very heavily out of this series, while most teams who use this offense spread the ball around a lot more.
I am not so sure that a kid (who is only a sophomore…..he was red shirted in 2008 I assume) like Mallett can come into the NFL and succeed as a starting QB after playing in the single wing jet series offense. McFadden is struggling too, but that could be because Arkansas uses a zone blocking scheme in their offense and I do not believe the Raiders do. I think Ryan Mallett is a project QB at best at this point, but again I could be wrong about that.
Just to clarify.....
Arkansas did actually have a real QB when McFadden played there…..but he might as well have been the QB because of the way he was used there.
The problem with Mallett is he's a grade-A douche
Ok, that doesn’t have anything to do with football. But let’s just say I’ve heard some amazing stories about the year he spent in AA.
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by Sean Yuille on Dec 11, 2009 11:07 PM EST up reply actions
sean...
do you feel that way cause he left michigan?
oh and have you had a chance to read tyrelle pryor’s research paper?
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That was part of it
I’d say most of his teammates hated him. And there were rumors of a transfer long before Rodriguez. That was really more of a cop out than anything.
And I saw the Pryor thing. Wow is he stupid.
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I use research to find supplies of cheaper shopping supplies too!
Sorry for the delay in responding KDawg......
The Panthers don’t have a first round pick this year. They gave it to the 49ers for Everette Brown in 2009.
If the Bills are picking around #8 to #10 they will miss out on at least one of the QBs if not two [Clausen and …Bradford?] With Locker staying I think the only other guy who might fit in Buffalo is Mallet. If he declares, which though sounding doubtful right now, I think he will based on Locker not going in and the weakness of the remaining prospects, the Bills might take him. It depends on who else is available [ie. Okung, Gerald McCoy, or some other prized LT prospect].
The Seahawks will be in a great position to get a QB who can sit a year or so behind Hasselbeck. I know the fan base there really wanted Locker. But they may use their first pick in round one on an LT. They currently don’t have a viable LT and Walter Jones looks to be done……..forever.
I am really sceptical regarding the Vikings taking a QB in round one. If they don’t win the Super Bowl this year, they will be looking for an impact rookie to get them over the hump. One of the great safeties or a DT that might spell Pat Williams more. Say Dan Williams or even Jared Odrick. They seem very well set on the offensive side of the ball.
Unless the Rams have a shot at Suh, I think they take Clausen. I still think it is a 50/50 choice for them between Suh and Clausen.
The Raiders? Really, who knows what they are thinking. I agree that they should be in the market for a QB but they may see it differently. Might depend on what kind of FA QBs are available.
Interesting to speculate, eh?
doubt mallet is going in the first round
he’s good, but i dont think he has first round talent…i could see late second round, and there should be a qb or two left on the board at the 8th pick. clausen for sure will be gone, but with bradford, McCoy, and Tebow, one them is bound to be there
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IMO any team that takes McCoy or Tebow in the first round is wasting a pick.
Especially a pick in the top ten. Maybe in the last four picks of the first round.
Mallet at least has the physical tools to succeed in the NFL.
tebows got tools too
its just gonna take a couple years, like Mallet
can’t say the same about McCoy
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Doesnt fit their system
He doesn’t fit into their system in a major way. The browns play 3-4 defense, and Suh is only 300 lbs, so he is majorly undersized to play NT. He could possibly play DE in a 3-4, but has never done that, so its he is surely not a lock to go to the browns.
I think a lot of it would come down to who is the new GM and head coach in Cleveland. Either way, its gonna be very interesting to see the Cleveland situation play out.
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for sure
i think its safe to say they are gonna fire him. and the browns won against Pittsburgh last night, so we are now in position to get the third pick the draft.
Come one Tampa…just win one more game
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I don't believe it. That is a lot of money to throw down the well.
I think they will give Mangini a chance, at least one more year if not two, to turn this team around. That home win against Pittsburgh was huge.
Mangini saved a lot of money off their cap this year by trading down and picking up a number of players instead of using the #5 pick.
I also think that Cleveland is still ahead of us at #3 in the draft order. From what I am reading the team that plays the tougher schedule picks first. That seems backwards to me. The Cleveland opposition is six games better than the teams Detroit has played.
Oh.....
You’re wrong about Cleveland being ahead of us in the draft order though…..according to ESPN, the Browns had a weaker schedule than the Lions, and so do the Rams. With Cleveland’s win last night, we now have the third pick in the draft. If St. Louis gets another win, then Tampa will have the first pick and we will have pick #2…..Tampa has the 5th toughest schedule in the league, so they would have to win 2 more games in order for us to leap frog them in the draft at this point. Not looking good for us in terms of getting Suh.
I take that back
I need to find out if the tiebreaker is based on the results of the strength of schedule based on the outcome of the regular season’s games, or if it is based on the strength of schedule based on the records of each team the prior season.
browns fans are gonna kill that owner if mangini sticks around for another season
even if that win last nite was impressive. a lot of that credit goes on their defensive co-ordinator…he called a great game. the offense was poor as before. Quinn only completed 6 of 19 passes.
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Simple math
if Tampa Bay picks before us we have no shot at Suh.
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by Leapin Lion on Dec 11, 2009 10:01 AM EST up reply actions
Drew, I hate the idea of moving up and losing draft picks.
I think, as KDawg highlights as well, that there are no sure things in the draft and that there is a danger of falling in love with a player and banking too much of the future on that one player. I like the idea of continuing with the BPA strategy and letting the chips fall where they may. A couple more good solid offseasons with Mayhew and Schwartz in charge and I think we will be in contention.
I'm not big on trades either, NL
But my point is this… if Suh is considered “that special”… you know, heads and shoulders above everyone else in the top ten… shouldn’t it at least be considered? I mean, if we only had to move up one spot or so… we might have a shot. If there is a good alternative OR we can somehow move back (not likely), then you don’t trade away picks. What I don’t want to see is for us to “reach a little” or settle for someone one pick after Suh is taken and get a much lesser player (in relation to Suh). If that’s the case, let’s go after him.
But I need to be careful here. The hype machine is very, very powerful. It can make good players look great, then the player gets in an NFL uniform and struggles. No one player can be a savior…. especially on a roster as bad as Detroit’s. But I’m basing my current desire for Suh on watching him play and I can’t remember a better defensive prospect in quite some time. This kid is as close to can’t miss as there is in this draft. It would be a shame to miss him by one pick and be cursing another team everytime we watch him dominate…. knowing we could have had him – especially if it only costs us a 3rd or 4th rounder. If he achieves greatness, that’s a small price to pay in the long run.
Obviously, the best case scenario is Ndamukong falling to us naturally. But I think it’s a bit of a long shot. I, like everyone else, am rooting for a few miracle wins by STL, CLE and TB. That’s kind of sad really…….
problem is...
moving up just one or two picks in the top 10 costs a lot. More than likely, the team that will wanna move down will probably ask for a 2nd rounder, and I don’t think thats worth it. So in that sense, I don’t think its worth moving up. As far as how other prospects stack up against Suh, I don’t think that Russell Okung is all that bad. Obviously, he is no where near the prospect Suh is, but I think he is a solid tackle fully worthy of being a top 5 pick in the draft. However, if the Lions can’t get Suh, I would like to see them move down in draft and accumulate draft picks for later rounds. Do what Cleveland did last year, move down a couple of times and stack up on 2nd and 3rd round picks.
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I'm with you Sean
If the rams are picking 1, a case can always be made that a QB will go number one overall and we could get him if we got to the number 2 spot. But if any other team is ahead of us, I don’t see them passing this guy up. As the gentleman and scholar Romeo Crennel says, “there’s some hoopla involved” and we may be getting ourselves a little too worked up over this guy, but i really, really do see him as the savior… er… an All Pro.
Cleveland's win over Pittsburgh Gets us closer to Suh
Cleveland holds the tie breaker for the 3rd draft choice currently as the tie breaker is opponents strength of schedule.
Clevelands opponents are currently 67-54 and the lions opponents are currently 61-61.
Getting closer, but need Cleveland to pull one more out and Tampa to get at least one more. I haven’t checked the Bucs SOS yet as it is irrelevant until they win. They do have 1 or 2 winnable games though.
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Cleveland has KC next week, which is a winnable game for them.
especially how they are playing at the moment. But even with Celevelands win we are in the same spot as we were, just looking at possibly a more positive outcome.
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dont we have the third pick now?
its based on opponents record (OR), and I thought the team with the poorer OR holds the tie breaker. I mean that makes logical sense, if two teams win the same amount of games, but one team failed to win games playing crapier teams, then that team should pick before the one playing the harder schedule
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latif, Yes you would think so but apparently the opposite is true.
The team playing the harder schedule picks first.
Since when?
I believe the team with the lower strength of schedule — the easier schedule — gets to pick first. The thinking is that despite playing an easier schedule, they lost as many games.
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Sean & Latif are right...we are currently 3rd
If there is a tie between two non-playoff teams, the tie is broken based on strength of schedule.
The records of divisional opponents are counted twice because they are each played twice. The combined number of wins and losses for each team adds up to 256.
The team whose opponents combined for the fewest wins has the weaker strength of schedule and gets to pick first. That’s because the team that gets the same record against weaker opponents is the weaker team.
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The official tiebreaking rules for the draft....
TIE-BREAKING PROCEDURE FOR SELECTION MEETING
If two or more clubs are tied in the selection order, the strength-of-schedule tie breaker is applied, subject to the following exceptions for playoff clubs:
1. The Super Bowl winner is last and the Super Bowl loser next-to-last.
2. Any non-Super Bowl playoff club involved in a tie moves down in drafting priority within its tied segment as follows:
* For a loss inthe Wild-Card playoffs, a plus factor of one-half.
* For participation, win or lose, in the Divisional Playoffs, a plus factor of one.
* For a loss in the conference championship Game, a plus factor of one.
3. Clubs with the best won-lost-tied records after these steps are applied will drop to their appropriate spots at the bottom of the tied segment. In no case will the above process move a club lower than the segmentin which it was initially tied.
4. Tied clubs will alternate priority throughout the 7 rounds of the draft. In case of a tie involving three or more teams, the club with priority in the first round will drop to the bottom of the tied segment in the second round and move its way back to the top of the segment in each succeeding round.
If any ties cannot be broken by strength of schedule, the divisional or conference tie breakers, whichever are applicable, are applied. Any ties that still exist are broken by a coin flip.
Interesting, if not exactly relevant.....
I posted the above rules because I thought I had found that the strength of schedule tiebreaker for the draft was based on last year’s win/loss/tie results. It is not. Regardless, what I posted above (way above….in response to NL) is correct. We would now have the 3rd pick if the season ended today. If Tampa wins one more game and we lose the rest, we will have the 2nd pick. GO BUCS!!!!
Here is a break down from Killer
http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2009/12/lions_currently_in_no_3_spot_f.html
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we have the 4th pick at this time
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lol
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by Leapin Lion on Dec 12, 2009 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
sanchez is out sunday
Against tampa bay. Not that he has been playing lights out. But it definately helps make this a very winnable game for the bucs. And if I’m not mistaken it is in tampa.
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by Leapin Lion on Dec 11, 2009 9:33 PM EST via mobile reply actions
that might actually hurt the bucs chances
sanchez was a turnover machine, kellen clemes, their backup, isnt all that bad
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The Browns are the Browns...
cuz they are stupid. I can see Mangina drafting a QB, cuz he’s a fool and may want his ‘man’.
The Rams need a QB, so the probably pass (they still will be fools to pass on Suh.
TB and KC are the only ones you gotta worry about.
Every team that passes on Suh is run by back seat accidents, regardless if they need a QB.
Suh is the next Warren Sapp, or at worst the next Kevin Williams (of course..health…)
You guys would be lucky to get him.
I don’t usually say trades are a good idea, but if you could trade with the team with the top overall (provided its not you..), I’d look into it (of course…don’t trade too much, shouldn’t be a problem if the Cleveland Gina’s are #1).
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How come no one covers Steve Smith?
I to would love to have Suh in a Lions jersey.
But sense we are talking senarios, lets say Suh drops to us at whtever spot we are drafting in. The phone rings and a team wants to sell the house to aquire the beast. (probably a team that goes deep in the playoffs but not the superbowl.) Would anyone consider trading down to get more picks and what would be the picks?
hmm...good question
Totally depends on the definition of “sell the house”. I say at least a pick around 16th to 19th + two second rounders, a fourth rounder, and a couple of decent, starting caliber players to move down from the 3rd pick (is it third???) for giving up a player like Suh
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I was reading on another site that the Pats might be that team.
I don’t believe it as that is not the Patriot way. They do have a first and three second round picks to barter, plus the first round pick of Oakland in 2011 in addition to their 2011 picks, but the Patriots do not go for very early draft picks. However, when they do pick in the first round they have gone for DTs fairly often; Seymour, Wilfork, and Warren since 2001.
But the one thing you can count on from Belichick is his unpredictability.
I think thats plausible
The pats haven’t moved up in the draft other years because they had no reason to. They had the cornerstones of their franchise set in guys like Seymour and Bruschi. The next couple of years are gonna be different. They are trying to find those type of players, and a player like Suh certainly qualifies. Still, I think Suh would have to fall in the draft in order for New England to think about it because I don’t see them moving from the picks in the twenties all the way up to the first pick in the draft.
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Odd that you say the Pats.
That was the team I was thinking might approach to trade for him. Just a gut feeling.
i would go with NE if
they gave us there 1st there 3 2nds and 2 starters.. but they will not so just grab suh.. witch i think we have a better shot at geting the people think
if bucks win one more they pick after us
if rams win one more they pick after us
if browns win one more they pick after us(even if they dont they still could pick after us..SoS and div recored is what they use as a tie braker not the game we beat the)
we could still get num 1 pick
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i dont really care if we do h8 to say it but all most want it..
there not that big of a difrens betwin 3rd pick contact and 1st pick
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with me
i am honstley more wored that … suh will be there and we pass on him more then i am of him being drafted befor we get to pick
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passing wont happen (hopefully)
Mayhew and schartz have the BPA policy, so I don’t see them passing on him.
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yea but
i would tak suh of berry but i dont know how you can say witch one is better bothe are the top prospect in the last 10+ years
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this is unrelated but chek it out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szLmAPW39uE
this guy deserves a dam cookey or something
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Is it just me, or does Clausen remind you of Jay Cutler?
Some physical talent, and similar mental stability.
What? He can’t block a dead gopher? Humph, details.
Arm isnt as strong
And I dont think Clausen takes makes as many bad decisions as Cutler does.
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by Leapin Lion on Dec 13, 2009 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
(I knew somebody was going to mention the arm)
That’s why I left it vague with “some physical talent”. They both seem like headcases to me, though.
What? He can’t block a dead gopher? Humph, details.
nah dont remind me of cutler
especially cause of that arm…cutler had a huge arm, especially in college. clausen doesnt have nearly the strength as cutler, but he does have a bit more touch.
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Ndamukong Suh
If the Lions get the chance to draft Suh and don’t I am going to be pissed!
He is the best DT out there, and boy could we use a good DT, to boost the defense.
that what i am more wored about honstley that he is there and we pass
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
It took me a minute to see the joke, at first I was expecting a comment about how you’ve been workin on you Lights All Day!!!!
yea i did not see at 1st either but vary funny.. i would do that if i had a neighbor like his
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Suh may have a lot of hype...
But I think the Lions number one priority has to be protecting their 70 million dollar man Stafford.
Why? Because you’re one piece away from having a dominant Offense. You have the potentially best WR in the league, a potentially dominant RB, the #1 overall QB, The top TE taken last year, and now all you need is a great LT to give Stafford some time. And if you also take one of the Guards in the second or third round I would really have high expectations for the Lions next year.
Drafting Suh will not take your defense from worst to best, but taking Okung just might you’re offense one of the top along with Stafford having a year under his belt. And as much as we want it to be true, Suh will be nowhere as dominant in the NFL as he was in college, and looking at all the DT’s taken in the first round the past 4 years absolutely NONE of them have been major contributors for their team besides MAYBE Sedrick Ellis. And thats a maybe. Glenn Dorsey had just as much hype coming out and look at him now…
So go ahead and work on that potentially potent offense of yours and leave suh for us. And for those who said he would be a fit for cleveland or we would take a QB instead, you’re wrong. He would play DE in our system and we would move Rogers to DE and keep Rubin as our NT. And with Quinn looking better these last few games we might just stick with him
by The Licensed Pessimist on Dec 17, 2009 2:02 PM EST reply actions
okung wont happon even if it should
the staff likes backes to much
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and no suh does not fit the 3-4 as well as he does the 4-3 so stop draming
useing him as a DE in a 3-4would be a discrace to his talents
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