Schwartz is to egotesticle
by lilmihijo on Dec 6, 2009 4:38 PM EST
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Why leave Stafford in the past 2 games when they are obvious losses? He is obvioulsy hurt and is getting killed. Put that fat milk dud culpepper in and let him get the colt 45 knocked outta him. Sit staff the rest of the year till we can get a line to protect our franchise quaterback. Im starting to wonder if we hired yet another assitant who is in over his head im gonna go on a shooting spree in a baptist church 8=========================================================================================D
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What makes the title even more hilarious.....
Is the fact that it seems to lead to a comparison. It says “Schwartz is to egotesticle”…..so I am thinking Schwartz is to “egotesticle” as what is to what? LOL!
I guess it would be necessary to define “egotesticle” in order to make a comparison. So, for the sake of humor, let’s say that “egotesticle” means a person who is boastful of the size of their testicles, regardless of the actual size (not that Schwartz actually brags about his balls, but for the sake of comedy let’s say that he did)…..:o) Then we can use that definition to make a comparison, such as:
Schwartz is to egotesticle as Mangina is to Homer Simpson.
Homer Simpson thinks he is smart, but in reality he is really stupid, just like Mangina.
The sad (and even more funny) fact of the matter is this…..people can become smarter, but their environment needs to be rich in sensory opportunities, or else it will literally cause brain damage. :oD
lol....no
IF Schwartz were one to brag about his big balls, then he would be to egotesticle as Mangina is to Homer Simpson (thinking he is smart when he is actually dumb).
D'OH!!
I think I see my error Jazzy…..lol
If egotesticle meant “boasting about the size of ones testicles”, then Schwartz would be to egotesticle as Mangina would be to intelligence. Does that make more sense?
lol
2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).
Zack Follett: he will hurt your mind.
by Hyperion Ecta on Dec 7, 2009 9:02 PM EST up reply actions
Did you spell it egoTESTICLE on purpose? Lol cause that is funny.
But yea i agree. I see why he wants to start him to give us a chance in these games and so he gets valuable experience. But when it becomes clear in the game that it is a loss or if he is showing he is in that much pain take him out. No need to turn him into the next Alex Smith like you text me and said earlier.
On a side note I think we played pretty good as a whole today. It’s just games like this where it is painfully obvious that we need to upgrade the overall talent level of this team. We were just outclassed in this game. When we get more talent across the board, games like this will start becoming wins because it was well played we just didn’t have the horses to match up with theirs.
P.S. just a fantasy side note.
If I hang on against Pool and Fritch hangs on against you then I’m in the playoffs no matter what happens next week.
I have to agree
PLUS: I could maybe see keeping Staff in if he was effective but he wasn’t. That 2 inute drive right before the half was putrid – Staff couldn’t hit an open receiver if his life depended on it. Staff was having a bad game. Why keep him in?? He has nearly 10 games of NFL experience. 1 or 2 more drives is nothing.
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I dont get you
and i typically understand dick jokes and the miss use of to and too. Hmmm peculiar, but what is he doing leaving Stafford win, I don’t know, he provides us our best chance to win, the more wins the less money we have to shell out, money we probably wont have enough of next year, possibly because his job is also to sell tickets and merchandise, and culpepper does neither, possibly its because while stafford’s injury is painful is not actually dangerous to his health or athletic career. But, like you I am just being a speculative asshole. But unlike you I do not make jest at the death of people in a Church shooting, classy man, classy.
Dude he was joking about that shit. How sensitive are you?
But you seriously agree with leaving Staff in and risking his career? You agree with letting him get the living shit beat out of him when the game is already over? You think leaving Staff in will sell merchandise for a team that is 2-10 and went 0-16 last year without a winning season in the past decade? Because it won’t. He doesn’t put fans in the seats and anybody who wants a Stafford jersey already has one. Having him play while his arm is falling off in a game that is already lost and he isn’t playing very good in isn’t gonna sell jerseys. He was getting KILLED!!!!! but I guess if you were coaching a 2-10 team you would just leave all the injured players in right.
Your saying you know for a fact there is no way he could get permanent damage if he keeps getting hit and driven into the ground on that shoulder. And even if he couldn’t all that pain and hits WILL take it’s toll and eventually leave him with a sort of shell-shock. But it’s ok fuck him and his injury right? We want 3 fucking wins this season at any cost. Give me a break dude.
Sorry Gross
I completely agree with Toledo on this one (and I normally agree with you on everything). Bottom line is WINNING sells merchandise, not a player IMO. Winning cures all ills and leaving Staff in there, a very ineffective Staff to boot, just doesn’t make sense to me whatsoever. Moreover, why let that moneymachine get beaten up so much. He won’t sell anything on IR for sure.
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All points are understood
on both sides of the arguement, i apologize if shooting references dont tickle my funny bone MY BAD.
You want a shooting reference I got one for you.
If we lose one more game I’m gonna run up in a school and do the Columbine.
Just joking, but don’t stress yourself out over something that someone else says. Life’s too precious to take a joke so seriously. Just brush it off instead of judging him for it.
that one was really in poor taste....
you have to realize that people respond differently to different things. But when you refer to somebody shooting up a school or a church. That crosses the line. You have no idea who anyone is here on POD. Or how we have been effected by those events.
if the shoe fits...get another one just like it - George Carlin
I agree 100% with JC
Those comments may be one thing among people who you know and know you, but this is an open forum and you do not know who you are talking to.
You are bringing down the entire discussion and completely wiping out any kind of point, intelligent or not, that you are trying to make with off topic comments like that.
IAG, you havd nothing to apologize for...shooting and murder references are no laughing matter to most people.
I believe in free speech, but I also believe in rational, intelligent discussion. A lot of threads here go off on a tangent and are funny and entertaining…….which is great….without becoming violent or insensitive.
I’m sure you will put it down to “political correctness” which seems to be the defence of the decade for any ignorant comment that is made these days.
People who live in glass houses...
I’ve read a bunch of your posts, IAG and I have a lot of respect for you. However, this post is just ridiculous. First of all, you should not be taking a holier than thou attitude toward grammar mistakes like the misuse (that’s one word) of “to” when you write things like:
“Hmmm peculiar, but what is he doing leaving Stafford win, I don’t know, he provides us our best chance to win, the more wins the less money we have to shell out, money we probably wont have enough of next year, possibly because his job is also to sell tickets and merchandise, and culpepper does neither, possibly its because while stafford’s injury is painful is not actually dangerous to his health or athletic career.”
What is that, one big sentence? And who exactly provides us [with] our best chance to win? Schwartz or Stafford? It seems like you meant Stafford but just before you use “he” referring to Schwartz. Clearly, your handle on the english language is not one that can support your attitude.
Secondly, and most importantly, you need to heed your own advice. This is an open forum and you don’t know lilmihijo’s relation to any shootings. Humor is a defense mechanism. lilmihijo might be dealing with his own loss. In which case I find it amazingly unfeeling of you to respond to him as if his experience means nothing. But even if he isn’t dealing with any loss, it’s time to grow up. People say things. Don’t use the term “open forum” if you do not want it to be one. It’s an “open forum” except don’t make any reference to shootings? How about guns? Can I say Stafford has rifle for an arm, or is does that offend you? This is slippery slope. There was obviously no malicious intent in the statement made (as opposed to your own especially classy “speculative a-hole” comment). It was a joke and just because you cannot appreciate it because of its subject matter, doesn’t mean you have to insult him. There are plenty of people who would be just as upset at your choice of language. You can’t have it both ways. What is needed, is just a little tolerance.
As far as Stafford goes, I’m with you. If he cannot further injure the shoulder, what’s the harm in him playing? That was one of the conditions Schwartz mentioned, and if it is truly met I see no problem. If he can’t handle it psychologically Stafford’s not “the one” anyway. Having said that, I also think it might be a good idea to get Stanton some snaps since the rest of the season is a throw away anyway. We need to take a good look at Stanton, we might be in need of a backup.
People who talk to People who live in glass houses...
Should use the enter key to break up their long posts so that I can actually read it without getting dizzy.
No Worries. I've had a few beers too...
Hahaha. I’ve seen quite a few new people on this site in the last couple weeks, or people commenting more often. Myself included, and I love it. We got a Great Network of Lions fans goin here. Keep it up POD!
You Scratch My Lion Itch!!!!
GO LIONS!!!!!!!!!
Give him a break he's new to this site.
He didn’t know that there were a lot of sensitive people that take that shit seriously. But now he’ll know that some people get offended by the slightest controversial sarcasm. Because, you know, there are sites on here where there’s not a bunch of prudes that get offended and you can actually joke and push the boundaries. And people actually get the sarcasm and jokes without being politically correct and get all up in arms because someone standing on their moral high ground feel it’s inappropriate.
I know him and he is a huge Lions fan and I got him to sign up because the people are cool and it’s a free flowing blog site where all we do is talk Lions and you actually get new perspectives about the team and the NFL in general. I guess I should have warned him that you have to watch what you say and how you say it because of others sensitivities.
So just give him a break and if you don’t like what he has to say then don’t read it. Because he is a Lions fan just like you and I, that I know for a fact. And just because, like me, (in real life not here because I know how some of you are) he likes to use colorful language doesn’t mean you have to belittle him and act like you are the judge and jury of what should and shouldn’t be said in a world of free speech.
I’m not trying to belittle you either it just irks me that you call him a troll and probably assume he’s not a Lions fan because you don’t agree with what he said or how he said it. He’s actually a really good dude and was probably just writing out of anger for the way Schwartz managed Staff and seeing the beating he was taking and the look of excruciating pain in his eyes. i was pissed off too. He just used a pretty strong reference to explain his frustration with the way it’s being handled.
THIS
is why i said troll, i do not know if he intentionally referenced this or not.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,506820,00.html
but this is not a joking matter to me, period, thats why i was pissed.
When was that.
I never even heard about that before. I don’t know if that’s what he referenced or not. I think it was just like a twisted analogy for how mad he would be if mismanagement of the Stafford injury caused permanent damage or jeopardized his career. That’s why I was saying just cut him some slack he didn’t know how sore of a subject it would be to you or anybody else. Like I said I know him, he’s a firefighter and a paramedic. Not a serial killer or the kind of person that would actually do something like that. You know what I mean.
If the debate is "is Schwartz wrong for leaving Stafford in?"
then what was the point of him starting from day one? I personally favor giving him as many snaps as possible unless he is injuried. If he is hurt and he has a doctor’s okay to play then send him out there. Culpepper getting snaps is completely useless (unless we are generously letting him audition for other teams on our dime). I know Stafford is hurt and I would hate to see him get injuried in any way that would prevent him from having a productive off-season but that’s not enough of a reason for me to sit him. The lineman should be aware that they are playing for their job’s right now and doing everything neccessary to protect him. I know that’s not happening but the remainder of this season should be the beginning of evaluating what this team has and who is willing to work hard to improve next year. And that process starts with Stafford and getting to see him take as many snaps as possible with the offense.
I can't believe I ate the whole thing!
by tigerfaninChicago on Dec 6, 2009 7:15 PM EST reply actions
Are you kidding me?
If the Lions don’t know what they have by now, then the hirings where a failure. A disaster. A…oh, you get the picture!
It's not just about knowing what you have now
Clearly the 2009 Lions are grease fire. It’s about seeing how these guys work through. Stafford is a rookie and presumably has never lost like this on any other level of his football career. I’m not at practice everyday to see how he is taking it on a day to day basis. I am also certain there are players on this team that have quit. Weed them out, build around the guys that are showing a committment to help this franchise in the future and move on.
In Stafford’s case, a few weeks ago he and CJ may not have connected on the 54 yd TD pass and now they are. The remainder of this season those two can continue to work on there timing. It sounds like babysteps but atleast it’s something versus shutting Stafford down.
I can't believe I ate the whole thing!
by tigerfaninChicago on Dec 6, 2009 7:26 PM EST up reply actions
Are you kidding me, reduex?
“never lost like this”? Check out last year’s Florida vs. Georgia game. He has never lost like that in the NFL.
Okay, he connected on a big pass play. For a TD. Congrats. And he gave it right back with a pick 6. The rest of the game? Nada!
It is well known I don’t think that much of the kid. On the other hand, I don’t want him facing further injury or worse.
I give him credit for standing in their in the Browns game. I get that. BUt I do not see the benefit of throwing him out there to take a beating when the Lions haven’t shown they are competitive.
Okay
He has never consistently lost week after week like this was my point. His performance’s against Florida was one of the reason’s I didn’t want him but that’s not the topic I am debating.
This is his time to focus on building anything positive for next year. Whether that’s a few big plays or a win or two (I think we can beat the Bears atleast). This is also his time to become the leader he’ll need to be if he is going to lead this team to the playoffs and beyond someday. I have no doubt there are players on this who have quit already and if Stafford gets benched now without a legit injury that prevents him from playing it’ll look like preferential treatment and I can already see the headlines of annoymous teammates calling Stafford soft. For the record, I wouldn’t have played him on Thanksgiving, but he played unless the injury he left the game with this week is enough to prevent him from playing I say keep him in there.
I can't believe I ate the whole thing!
by tigerfaninChicago on Dec 6, 2009 7:39 PM EST up reply actions
Let me be more clear
I am not in the camp with those who say bench him. Not this time. Too late in the season barring an real injury.
But if things are not going well, sit him sometime in the 4th. Maybe sooner if the game is too far out of hand.
Like i said, I don’t want the kid injured so bad he becomes some sort of poster child for the infirm.
And my point is
what message is that to the other 10 starters on offense how are still going out there. Sadly we probably have several guys going out there in the fourth quarter thinking “man I wish they’d just put the second stringers in so I can hit the shower and go home.” I don’t want him injured either and the team should look at him carefully when he comes into the training room each week but if they say he can play then he should play.
I can't believe I ate the whole thing!
by tigerfaninChicago on Dec 6, 2009 7:49 PM EST up reply actions
The message would be
if you aren’t performing your butt is on the bench. Who could have a problem with that?
The NFL is a tough, Man's League!
I Can’t believe you are actually arguing to take him out of the game to protect him. This is a tough league and Stafford is a 21 yr old Man. He gets lumped up and goes right back out there for more, that is a quality you want in your starting QB.
Farve is Old as Dirt, and I think if anyone tried to sit him in a situation where his team was losing and needed his help, he would Prolly Punch You In the Face.
As far as protecting him from injury. The Doctors, the guys with the MD’s, the guys who have actually seen Staffords shoulder, from the outside and inside (MRI). They have said that this injury will not get worse, it is only a pain/discomfort issue. I think Stafford playing through this shows alot of heart. And I bet his teammates would agree with me. If it is a different injury you are afraid of… Remember, this is the NFL, and freak crazy injuries happen all the time. You can’t play this game scared and cautious, that’s when you get hurt. You need to play hard with your nose to the grindstone, And Stafford I learning that.
You also said that he should sit cause of lack of performance. WTF. We don’t have ANYONE at QB that’s gonna perform any better, (you were not screaming bench CJ after he dropped a couple passes against GB). Neither of our other QB’s give this team a better shot at pulling off a comeback. Remember the CLE game? Opportunities like this are plentiful now, and learning how to engineer specific drives is something that Stafford IS learning. This will payoff in the future. Anybody watched any IND games this year. The Colts have been down going into the 4th Qrt a couple different times this year, and Manning has shown that he can march his team down the field and score when it is most crucial.
Quit this shit. Stafford is our QB, Culppeper might as well just stay home after his piss-fit on Thanksgiving. And if you really wanna argue for Stanton go ahead. Have fun.
GO LIONS!!!!!!!!
Apples and oranges
comparing the CJ situation to Staff is a non-starter. Where did I say because of an early situation? Make things up when the facts don’t fit.
Continuing to praise poor performance because of your belief in a prior performance is foolishness. What did Staff learn? How to throw a pick? How to take a beating?
He did not perform. Schwartz stated that will not be tolerated. Yet he throws Staff out there.
That causes a lot more problems in the locker room than sitting the kid.
How do you know Staff is learning? You don’t. You assume.
Whether or not the backups performances are worse is not the issue. What part of that are you having trouble understanding?
Apples and Oranges and Grapes, Jesus, STFU.
What did I make Up to fit a lack of facts?
You say that comparing CJ and Staff is a “non-starter”, then you want to hold Staff and all the other players to Schwartz Mantra of “Perform or Don’t Play”. Which if we followed to your interpretation would would result in benching just about everyone. Hanson missed a field goal, Do you wanna Bench him?
And yes, I am “assuming” that Stafford is learning. But you don’t learn if you don’t make any mistakes. I have seen improvement from Stafford in many areas of his game throughout this season so far. It hasn’t been as consistent as I would like, but Damn cut the kid some slack. If you ask me he has done alot this year with very little support, from his O-line to WR dropping passes.
I know “9” hasn’t won you over yet but he will. And when he does I’ll be at your doorstep Serving Up that Fresh Cooked Crow!
J16941
Can you share the recipe for Cooked Crow for the rest of POD?? LOL
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lol
Here some advice…..trust me I learned the hard way.
You are arguing with a person who “is never wrong” and never admits it when they are. The person you are arguing with will not stop until you give up and he gets the last word. He is a master at drawing someone in to an argument and twisting and turning words with maniacal semantics in an attempt to confuse his opponent and force them to give up.
So here is the advice…..unless you want to come back and find this thread weeks from now, when you and he are the only two people even reading it anymore, just stop now, save yourself the drama, and know that most people here agree with you and not him…..:o)
Oh, I know.
Thanks for the advice KDawg. I really don’t give a shit about him and usually I just skip everything he writes, but I got the night off and I’m just sittin at home in the middle of a monsoon in So Cal.
Watchin the Packers and drinkin some beers, felt like startin a Fight! HAHAHA
Feel free to join in if ya want. You know I got your back!
I agree with CHI, Dawg, and j16941
It’s what I’ve been saying all season. Stafford needs to play to learn. The shoulder changes nothing.
Let him play if he wants to play. Schwartz said the shoulder won’t get worse by playing, so trust the Schwartz, and trust Stafford. Let Stafford decide whether he can stay in or not. Playing with pain builds character, helps him gain more experience, and shows he’s a leader who won’t quit. That wins over the fans and his teammates. Bobby Layne did it. If it’s good enough for Bobby, it’s good enough for Matt.
Staff is learning and getting better. I said before the season that his progress would be inconsistent, not a steady upward line, but that he would make progress and learn if allowed to play. Anybody with 2 eyes (apologies to all the 1-eyed people out there) can see that Staff has learned and improved by playing. Anybody who saw the Cleveland game knows that he can be a very good QB in this league. Stafford set many records that day:
NFL Records:
1st rookie QB (post-1970-merger) to throw 5 TD passes in a game (1st since 1937 even!)
422 yds, most by a rookie in a game
Lions Team Records:
5 TD, ties Gary Danielson for most TD’s in a game
422 yds, most passing yards in a Lions win
And Stafford won in the clutch, in heroic fashion. Sure sounds like progress to me. All because we let Staff play and learn, instead of sitting him and letting him get rusty like poor Stanton. So let Stafford play if he wants to play. He’s earned it. Let him keep learning. Let him take himself out. Don’t push him to the sidelines.
Nothing has changed. Let the kid play.
What? He can’t block a dead gopher? Humph, details.
Smart Idea
2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).
Zack Follett: he will hurt your mind.
by Hyperion Ecta on Dec 8, 2009 6:26 PM EST up reply actions
The lineman aren't good enough to keep him off his back.
And playing Stafford injured while he is getting planted on every play is NOT good for him. Having him miss a game possibly to let him heal and just let his body rest isn’t gonna be the difference between him being a HOF QB and a complete bust. But leaving him in injured risking his health (whether Staff wants to stay in or not) could. Everybody who watched the game saw what was happening to him and I don’t know how you can say it was good for him to stay in that game. Explain to me how leaving him in the whole 4th quarter helped him?
If Stafford "sits a game or two"
and is not injured, what does that say to his teammates? This is a rotten season but we need to know which guys are willing work for Schwartz and my fear is that if they sit Stafford, as strange as it sounds, it’ll look like prefential treatment. This won’t make him a HOFer but hopefully it’ll make him a leader.
I can't believe I ate the whole thing!
by tigerfaninChicago on Dec 6, 2009 7:29 PM EST up reply actions
HE IS INJURED
That’s my point. He needs to let that shoulder heal before it just keeps getting destroyed to the point he suffers permanent damage or an injury to the nerves in it.
I agree
to sit him if the doctors (and hopefully we are not talking just team doctors) say he needs to sit. I have no problem with that. But if they tell him he can play he needs to play. And the announcers saying he is already a leader is really nice but that doesn’t mean that can’t change. I’m sure I could pull tapes from 2003 that have anouncers talking about the quiet leadership skills of Joey heisman.
I can't believe I ate the whole thing!
by tigerfaninChicago on Dec 6, 2009 7:42 PM EST up reply actions
and he already is a leader.
Even the announcers were saying they needed to sit him because it was doing him absolutely no good staying in there with the way his shoulder looked. And he already is a leader and everybody in that locker room respects the shit out of him already. Everybody in the world knows he’s tough after that Cleveland game but there is a difference between being tough and being stupid. And if he stays in and something really bad happens then that is being stupid.
are you some kind of moron?
this more matthew than Schwartz and I respect the hell out of him for it. If you didn’t see the browns game please do it will answer you very lame question. Does schwartz have a attitued a never say die way of coaching hell yes AND WE HAVE NEEDED IT FOR YEARS!!!!
"Sensitive poster"
Was that addressed to me?
I can't believe I ate the whole thing!
by tigerfaninChicago on Dec 6, 2009 7:21 PM EST up reply actions
+1
I like Schwartz and what he brings. I really do. I just disagree with the decision to keep Staff in so long. Maybe Staff just doesn’t want to come out of the game?? Who knows. If it were me I would have sat him earlier on in the game
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I have to hope this FanPost was written sarcastically.
If not it will be used as further proof that most Lions fans deserve exactly what the Lions have been dishing out the last eight or so years.
NorhLeft
I hope so too. I’m pretty sure it was meant as sarcasm
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Besides if Lions fans deserve that.
Then what do Viqueens fans deserve. They are by far the most arrogant, pompous, egotistical, and rude fanbase I have ever seen. I can’t wait til the Lions are good and the Viqueens don’t have Favre and suck again so I can rub it in their faces hard.
i cant wait till viqueens move to LA
and we get the chefs or ramsin the NFC north
Just Remember matt... what would Daunte do??
Damn...
I was looking forward to it.
2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).
Zack Follett: he will hurt your mind.
by Hyperion Ecta on Dec 8, 2009 6:28 PM EST up reply actions
We've had goats, dead gophers, attention whores, boobs, babies in tubs with toasters, dog humping, Rex humping, "Happy Place" beer dispensers, Seahawk's uni's, and Tom Cruise
How much worse can an egotesticle be? We’re immune now.
What? He can’t block a dead gopher? Humph, details.
LOL
Come on CLF. Post an EGOtesticle!!! You ballbreaker
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Too funny guys.....:o)
Really, there is nothing good out there for an “egotesticle”…..however, I will share what I found (since CLF refuses….lol).
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