The Monday Morning Microscope: Week 13
Okay, so four games have gone by since my last post. Doesn't seem like that long, but it has been. I apologize for my lack of presence on the site lately, but when you take a two week vacation, you then have two weeks worth of work stacked up that you have to dig out of when you return. That sometimes makes vacations not worth taking. What a ridiculous world we live in. Absolutely zero work/life balance out there. Everyone is just work, work, work. Does no one care about their families anymore? Sorry, just venting a little. As you can tell, my initiation back into work the week after my vacation was less than pleasant. And forgive me for complaining, because I know that I am supremely blessed to even have a job in this unforgiving economy, let alone a good job. It's just that with all the happenings of this year that have shaped my life's current perspective, I wish to spend a little more time with my family and a little less time with the triviality of my company's finances... especially around the holidays. Whew... okay, I feel better. Let's say we talk a little football, eh?
Because I'm playing a little catch-up, this week's edition of MMM might be a little longer than usual. I'm not going to go into a ton of detail for any one of the past games, but more or less just sum up where we are as a team at this point in the season and talk about where we need to go from here. I'll finish it up with some specific thoughts about the Bengals game.
With only four weeks left, there are few surprises anymore. The Lions are what they are... a struggling team with lots of holes and a few bright spots to pin future hopes upon. They will most likely lose the remainder of their schedule and be back into familiar territory... competing with the bottom of the NFL's barrel for draft position. I see that the draft has once again become the popular topic of conversation here at POD. You'll have to forgive me for not joining in that one quite yet. For me, at least the regular season and bowl games need to be over before joining the cacophony of useless fun that is mock drafting. I'll say this much though, I believe that the Lions are very much in the running for the number two or three overall pick in the draft. That just might be enough to net us Suh. But back to the season at hand...
Through Week 13, the offense can pretty much be characterized as inconsistent and mostly ineffective. At times, they can take your breath away and at others, they make you scratch your head, wondering if we'll see another first down the entire game. To get in a little more detail, I'll break it down by area:
- Quarterback: Well, Matt Stafford single-handedly created one of the most memorable games in Lions history and showed why he was drafted first overall against Cleveland. But that was against Cleveland. He has subsequently stunk it up two games running and showed that he still has a long way to go to become a great quarterback in this league. He has no doubt played hurt the last two weeks and I'm sure that's affected him somewhat, but his decision making has to get better if the Lions are to become contenders. I choose to look at it this way... he's a typical rookie. He's going to make good plays and he's going to make some really bone-headed plays. That's what you get with young players. We've seen it with them all... Pettigrew, Delmas, Levy... all of them. Stafford, as talented as he is, in not immune to the huge learning curve that all rookies who start in this league have to go through. Couple that with a poor offensive line, suspect receivers aside from Calvin and a struggling running game... well, you get the mish-mash performances we've seen from Stafford. Bottom Line: Matt will be fine. He's getting some great experience and if he's really "the one", we will see many of these mistakes start to go away over the course of the 2010 season.
- Backs and Receivers: I think we've all learned an inconvenient truth about the Lions' receiving corps... it is once again an area of need heading into the off-season. With as much money as we've thrown at this position in the past, this is a true exercise in frustration. Without Calvin Johnson, the offense just dissolves. The reality is that Calvin gets hurt a little too much for comfort and we must have some reliable talent behind him. That means we have to yet again focus on this position in the draft and free agency. The good news is that, before the season ending injury, Pettigrew really started to blossom. That is one position that appears to be solidified (unless this injury lingers into the 2010 season). I also disagree with all of the fans clamoring for the Lions to use a draft pick on a running back. Kevin Smith has not been great this year, but as shown by his efforts in yesterday's game, he is a hard runner and when given adequate blocking, is shifty enough to be a more than serviceable back in this league. Both Brown and Morris are valuable back-ups and add to the offensive versatility. Bottom Line: One of the more important acquisitions for the coming off-season is a complementary wideout opposite Calvin. They must find this player next year, both for the development of Calvin and Matt and for the progress of the offense as a whole. With better blocking, the running backs in our stable should be more than sufficient.
- Offensive Line: The most disappointing and biggest problem on our offensive line right now is Gosder Cherilus. We all know that the Lions need a big-time upgrade at left guard... that's a given. In my mind, at some point between the second and fourth round, the Lions must take an offensive lineman. The problem is that Cherilus' poor play throws a massive wrench in the gears of the Lions' long term strategy here. Do the Lions take a guard or will they have to take a tackle to replace Cherilus? Can they move Cherilus to left guard and draft a good young right tackle? If so, how will his play translate to guard and will he simply be the next useless player in the revolving door at that position? See... he creates a pickle for the front office. We were supposed to be able to forget about the right tackle position for the next twelve years, yet here we are once again... questioning the ability of a Millen-drafted first round pick. Forget about even attempting to replace Backus or Raiola. We NEED them. How's that for a cold prickly? Bottom Line: The coaching staff needs to determine if Cherilus still has enough potential to waste time with him at right tackle. He is so inconsistent - will it end at some point... who knows? At the very least, the Lions' need to draft a guard. But is that enough? In my opinion, they need another tackle. I'd try Cherilus at left guard and draft a new right tackle that has the ability to move to left in a few years to replace Backus. Anyway you slice it, the line has not played well consistently and something has to be done. Finding a working combination of players will be the biggest off-season challenge for the front office offensively.
As weak as this defense is roster-wise, I think they've played surprisingly well at times. There just isn't enough talent to fend off opposing offenses if our own offense can't score a lot of points. This gives me hope that with sufficient talent, Schwartz and Cunningham can put together a defense worth fearing. I'll break the defense down by area as well:
- Defensive Line: One word... ineffective. Much more so against the pass than the rush, but we cannot expect to get pressure against any team in the league with any combination of four players on our current roster. There's simply not enough talent. I wish there was an elite pass rusher at the top of the draft this year. I know we are all salivating over Suh and there is no doubt he would be a valuable addition to the Lions, but an elite pass rusher is probably the biggest need on the entire roster. It would fix so many problems. The defensive line and secondary have a cause and effect relationship. The defensive line pressure, or lack thereof, causes the quarterback to either be rushed or to have time. That effects the play of the secondary and how much time they are asked to cover. Our line gives the quarterback all day, which causes the virtually talent-less secondary to have to cover much longer than they are capable. Bottom Line: This year can be scrapped for our defensive line. No one capable of coming close to double-digit sacks is on this roster. Unless they can find that guy in the later rounds of the draft, I'm not sure where the upgrade is going to come from next year. Maybe free agency... ala, Aaron Kampman or someone like that? Either way, this has me very nervous.
- Linebackers: I think most of us agreed before the season that this was going to easily be the strength of the entire team and we were right. Really, we have five good linebackers on this team. Foote and Peterson are solid, not spectacular players that have been one of the big reasons why the defense has played well at times. Regardless of ranking last in a lot of defensive passing categories, there is no denying that this group has played better this year than last. We've had many more stops on third downs, tackling has been good at times and play against the run has definitely improved. Now, this is all relative to what the Lions were a year ago, but progress is progress. The key decision heading into the off-season will be what to do with Ernie Sims. It should be a no-brainer to try to resign both Foote and Peterson in my opinion. I think it would be a step backwards not to try. For once, there is an area of our team that we shouldn't have to worry about going into next year. Bottom Line: Although Peterson and Levy started slow, both have joined Foote as quality additions to our defense. I believe that we should hold on to all five linebackers next year (Peterson, Foote, Sims, Levy and Dizon) and allow the front office to focus elsewhere. Even though they can't be considered the best corps in the league, they are a vast improvement over what we've had in the recent past. Paris Lenon anyone?
- Defensive Secondary: Ugh... where to start? Well, Delmas was a home run hit in the second round for Mayhew. Anyone want to argue that? Didn't think so. Beyond that? Nothing. Not sure if there is anyone even worth keeping for next year besides Ko Simpson. James? Maybe as a nickel. Buchanon? Played well sporadically, but we know that he is nowhere close to a great player. Henry? Even the interception yesterday doesn't help mask the fact that he's pretty much washed up. We know by this point in the season what our secondary is... the worst in the league. It's going to be hard to find a good starting corner in the upcoming draft, too. That is disheartening. Hopefully, Mayhew can work his magic and find a late round gem. This is a passing league and if we can't cover or get pressure, we can't compete. The front office has its work cut out trying to piece together a foundation that will be able to dramatically increase production in the secondary next year. Bottom Line: Aside from Delmas and Simpson, they will basically have to start over in the secondary. Our foundation should have been on guys like Keith Smith, A.J. Davis, Gerald Alexander, Daniel Bullocks and Stanley Wilson. What a shame. It's just too much to do in a year. The more I look at it, the more it looks like it might take two more drafts to put this secondary together.
Quick note on Special Teams: I don't believe I've ever written anything negative about Jason Hanson, but I'm about to. His kickoffs are getting shorter and shorter each game. With poor special teams play to begin with, the opponent's returner fielding the ball between the 10 and 20 is not acceptable. For the first time, I believe his age is showing and affecting his kicking power and subsequently, his distance. As for Nick Harris... I believe he's having one of his most inconsistent seasons. For every two good punts, it seems like he's having a horrible one. That's not good. We might have to replace both of these iconic players soon if these trends continue. How do you guys feel about this?
Thoughts About the Bengals Game:
- As usual, I'll start with Stafford's performance. In a nutshell, it was another sketchy outing by the rookie. The big TD pass to Johnson was a thing of beauty, but that's where the love affair ends. He seemed okay at the start of the game, but during one of the many hits he took, he re-aggravated that shoulder and it seemed to affect him the remainder of the game. I can't believe I'm going to say this, but it might be time to sit him for a game and let that shoulder recuperate. I want him to have as many opportunities as possible to get valuable experience, but if that experience is hampered by injury, then it's time to sit him down.
- Kevin Smith had a fantastic game yesterday. Yeah, maybe the numbers don't say "fantastic", but in my opinion, it was his best performance of the year. He ran hard and with purpose. He showed his ability to be shifty, nimble and powerful at the same time. He made quicker decisions and made a few cuts that gave me goosebumps. He needed that game, because he's a good back and has taken a lot of heat for the ineffective play of the line.
- Speaking of offensive line... Gosder had another horrible game yesterday. I forgot to DVR it, so I can't watch it back to see how bad it really was, but I spent a fair amount of time cursing his play yesterday. I thought that the interior, with Gandy and Ramirez, held up fairly well... especially against the run. The blitzing is where the Lions fell apart and part of that was on Stafford to get the ball out quicker. All-in-all, not the worst day for the Lions' O-line... which still isn't saying much.
- Defensively, it was a decent performance. The Bengals by no means blew out Detroit. We stopped them on several key third downs, forced turnovers and pretty much kept them in check for most of the game. The offense was the real problem yesterday. I think Cunningham and Schwartz have really made the best of this unit. I think the scheme is sound, but the talent is what is missing. Like I've said before, I believe wholeheartedly that once the talent is in place, Schwartz will give Detroit an outstanding defense.
So, there's four games left in the season. Any winnable? Maybe the Bears game at home. Does it matter? Not really. We will have another 10+ loss season written down in the annuls of Lions history and another top 5 draft pick on the way to further destroy our salary cap. For me, this season is and continues to be about the progression of the young talent. More and more, it looks like - realistically - that we will be waiting until 2011 to really be able to compete in this league. There are simply too many holes to repair in the upcoming off-season. That's a discouraging thought, but the front office does appear to have a plan in place and another two drafts like 2009 and we will be an up-and-coming powerhouse in this league. Unfortunately when you are building a team, the last thing to come is the wins.
Go Lions!
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Random comment...
I just found out 3 of the last 4 people in the Survival football picked Cincinnati and they’ve ALL picked against the lions this season. Shouldn’t late be an automatic disqualification? I mean come on, I was the only one in the top 5 who DIDN’T pick against the Lions… Shouldn’t I win something?! :(
by ZWC11 on Dec 7, 2009 3:45 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Those 3 should be ashamed of themselves!!!!
I’m #4! :-D
I haven’t picked against the Lions all season. Hell, I even picked the Lions to win in week 3.
I’ve been picking against Cleveland almost all season
by JazzyBBP on Dec 7, 2009 7:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I noticed that Lions pick at the time
You’ve got the tiebreaker in my book. Good luck!
What? He can’t block a dead gopher? Humph, details.
by GRLion on Dec 13, 2009 1:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Here's my picks in the Survival League, not one against the Lions
Week Your Pick Schedule/Result
1 (Sep 8) Minnesota over Cleveland Correct MIN 34, CLE 20 –
2 (Sep 15) Atlanta over Carolina Correct ATL 28, CAR 20 –
3 (Sep 22) Detroit over Washington Correct DET 19, WAS 14 –
4 (Sep 29) New York (NYG) over Kansas City Correct NYG 27, KAN 16 –
5 (Oct 6) Philadelphia over Tampa Bay Correct PHI 33, TAM 14 –
6 (Oct 13) Pittsburgh over Cleveland Correct PIT 27, CLE 14 –
7 (Oct 20) Green Bay over Cleveland Correct GNB 31, CLE 3 –
8 (Oct 27) Chicago over Cleveland Correct CHI 30, CLE 6 –
9 (Nov 3) Indianapolis over Houston Correct IND 20, HOU 17 –
10 (Nov 10) Baltimore over Cleveland Correct BAL 16, CLE 0 –
11 (Nov 17) Arizona over St. Louis Correct ARI 21, STL 13 –
12 (Nov 24) Cincinnati over Cleveland Correct CIN 16, CLE 7 –
13 (Dec 1) San Diego over Cleveland Correct SDG 30, CLE 23
by JazzyBBP on Dec 7, 2009 7:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My mistake, you should be the winner...
I should be runner-up.
by ZWC11 on Dec 7, 2009 8:01 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Good post Drew, as usual
I was impressed with the run blocking by our offensive line yesterday. It was not so great that I was amazed, but it was better than it has been, when I thought sure that they could not improve in that area. Kevin Smith showed that he can be a very good running back when the offensive line does some decent run blocking. I wish it was consistent and even better than it was yesterday, and I hope that the Lion’s staff does something about it. I am with everyone out there in the collective thought of “draft Suh” if we can. Ndamakong Suh may be the #1 pick in the draft, regardless of the fact that the Rams may need a new QB. Suh is just so talented that he may not be the type of player that anyone can pass on (even the Browns who have Big Baby already).
That said, in my mind it all comes down to who is the most valuable player available when each respective team drafts. Depending on whether or not the Rams think they can get a future franchise QB in round 2, or if they follow the mantra of “You have to take the franchise QB if he is there when you pick”, will likely determine whether or not Suh is available at pick 2 (this of course assumes that the Rams will not win another game). If we are to get Suh, I am afraid our best chance of that happening would be at pick 2….and then if Suh goes #1 we would be over paying for a talent that does not deserve #2 money in my opinion. I would much rather see the Lions move down to pick 8-10 than see them pick anyone but Suh or Okung in the top 5. Since it sounds like we are not even considering a tackle with out first pick, if somehow two of Tampa, St. Louis, and Cleveland actually win another game and we do not, my wish would be that we trade down if we can not get Suh.
My bottom line is this:
The key areas that we need to be addressing are offensive line, defensive line, and secondary. In my opinion it should be in that order, but I would make an exception if we could get Suh with our first pick. That guy is a one man wrecking crew that I feel is going to be even better than a Warren Sapp type of player. He is probably the only can’t miss prospect I see in this coming draft, and he would be well worth the top 5 pay that we would have to give him.
by KDawg on Dec 7, 2009 4:37 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
some good FAs out there
At wideout, I would love it if the Lions got Devery Henderson. Im pretty sure he is a FA, and the perfect complementary receiver to Calvin (ie fast, good hands, and relatively cheap). There are a bunch of good DEs in the free agency this year, so the Lions should be able to land one of them, which is all they need (I still believe in Avril…he just needs to get healthy). Unfortunately, there isn’t much we can do about a guard or a corner in FA market, so the draft is really the only way.
Speaking of the draft, I say we either get Suh, or we trade our pick for a significantly lower pick (around 19th -28th pick), and defensive pieces (ie corner, DE, DTs). This way, we can save a large amount of cap space, and get a lot of pieces at the same time. OT Brian Bulaga from Iowa, or Florida’s DE Carlos Dunlap should be there around those picks.
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by latif on Dec 7, 2009 5:25 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
if we're looking for a guard...
think mike iupati from idaho… I’m undoubtedly a homer but that guy is a monster. 21 pancakes this year and no sacks. he goes 6’6" 330 and when he pulls, the world shakes
by stumpy8100 on Dec 7, 2009 6:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
International House of Pancakes
Pass the syrup please. Mmmmmmmm.
What? He can’t block a dead gopher? Humph, details.
by GRLion on Dec 13, 2009 1:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Great post, Drew
Hope the hunting trip went well.
Spot on breakdown of the team analysis.
Do I want the Lions to draft Suh? Yup, but there is no way he is going to fall out of the top 3. We all better get used to that
by JazzyBBP on Dec 7, 2009 7:12 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
top 3???
Most likely, hes not making it past the first pick….i cant think of another guy who is even worth the top pick in the draft
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by latif on Dec 7, 2009 7:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I hear ya
The Mel Kiper QB hype machine may get a QB #1 if STL is #1
It’s going to be so much fun making fun of Kiper nonstop again…
by JazzyBBP on Dec 7, 2009 7:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Supposedly the Rams are in love with Clausen
And Clausen has recently declared himself eligible for the draft. We’ll have to wait and see what happens.
by KDawg on Dec 7, 2009 8:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
not worried about the rams
they’re not taking a DT…they have way too much invested in their D-Line. problem is t-bay or cleveland
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by latif on Dec 7, 2009 8:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was replying to your comment that Suh might be the first pick.....
And I still think the Rams may not be able to pass on Suh…..unless they are sold on Clausen or some other QB and they do not think they can get a guy as good as him in the 2nd round.
by KDawg on Dec 7, 2009 8:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
ya i kinda see your point
if STL ends up with the top pick, theres no one really that should be a 1st pick in this draft other than Suh, so i guess they would have to take him. lets just hope claussen has a good pro day and combine
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by latif on Dec 7, 2009 8:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
However
We can kind of look at this from an educated perspective. We had the first pick in the draft last year, nobody wanted to trade up and take that pick because of the money involved, and there was no consensus #1 pick in the draft either. We drafted the “franchise” QB because he represented the greatest potential long term value at that draft position AND he was considered the BPA by many “experts”. We can therefore postulate that the Rams will be thinking along similar lines….will they draft their potential future “franchise” QB with the #1 pick, or will they draft a DT instead? True, a lot more DTs have been picked #1 than linebackers by any means, but it is somewhat of a similar situation.
I think the Rams could draft a QB #1 simply based on which player they think will give them the most value over the long term, and which position they currently feel they need the most to win now. Is their set of DTs so bad that they would draft a DT #1 over a QB, or do they really think that Bulger and Boller can get the job done for another year? That is the question.
by KDawg on Dec 7, 2009 8:59 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
oops
My second to last sentence should have said “Is their set of DTs so bad that they would draft a DT #1 over a QB, and do they really think that Bulger and Boller can get the job done for another year, or do they think that QB is the greater need based on value at the #1 pick and that they can get by with the DTs they currently have for another year”?
That is the real question….lol
by KDawg on Dec 7, 2009 9:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
in order for that perspective to work
you need a player (in this case a QB) worthy of being the top overall pick. Lets face it, there isn’t a fully proven QB (like there was last year) this year. With that said, Claussen is an interesting case, cause he has all of the physical attributes of a franchise qb, but I just feel that he hasn’t proven anything in his three years at Notre Dame
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by latif on Dec 7, 2009 9:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Sometimes a worker's environment makes all of the difference in their overall performance level
However, I somewhat agree…..although Locker, Bradford, and Colt McCoy are some big name guys with a lot of media support.
by KDawg on Dec 7, 2009 9:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And some would say that Matt Stafford.....
Was not the best QB in the draft last year or even fully proven…..
I was one of those people prior to the way he has played this year. Now I believe that he was a solid, if not great, pick and that he was the best QB available in his draft class.
by KDawg on Dec 7, 2009 9:32 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The St. Louis situation
if they do end up with the #1 overall pick, will they want to spend 60-70 million on a QB or a DT?
Suh may be the best player in the draft, but the money alone is the reason Suh will NOT be the #1 overall pick
by JazzyBBP on Dec 7, 2009 9:36 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting point Jazzy
I for one am hoping your 100% right with that
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by NYCLionsfan on Dec 7, 2009 9:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
with all that has been said
i think if STL ends up with the 1st pick, there might be a pretty good chance that they trade it since there is so many buyers out there for Suh
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by latif on Dec 7, 2009 9:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Will ANY team want to shell out that much cash for a DT? It would be more guaranteed $$$$$$$$$ than the ’Skins gave Haynesworth
by JazzyBBP on Dec 7, 2009 9:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Good point.....
But maybe they could pay a DT a bit less than they would have to pay a QB….
I for one am hoping for a new CBA and a rookie salary cap…..this shit is getting out of hand.
by KDawg on Dec 7, 2009 9:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Jazzy..
u said it urself, if you have NFL teams willing to pay almost 30 year old DT big money b/c he had a few good years, then why not a 21 year old with virtually twice the potential of Haynesworth
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by latif on Dec 7, 2009 9:46 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Only 6 DTs have been selected with the first overall pick
in the entire history of the NFL draft……
The last to be picked #1 overall was “Big Daddy” Dan Wilkinson in 1994. 15 years ago, Dan Wilkinson was given a 6 year 14.4 million dollar contract as the #1 overall pick. At the time, it was the richest rookie contract of all time (and was subsequently eclipsed by Marshall Faulk the following year, and he was only the 6th pick in the draft in 1995!).
by KDawg on Dec 7, 2009 9:50 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We're falling out of the top 3?
… Not to many winnable games on our schedule except maybe Chicago at home.
by ZWC11 on Dec 7, 2009 8:03 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah.....as of right now we would have the 4th pick based on strength of schedule
Strength of schedule is the tie breaker, and supposedly we had the weakest schedule out of St. Louis (the toughest of the top 4 worst teams), Cleveland (2nd strongest schedule), Tampa Bay (3rd) and Detroit.
by KDawg on Dec 7, 2009 8:14 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
if thats the case...
drop down and take someone else. at that pick, both okung and suh (for sure) are gone,and no one else is worth the pick
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by latif on Dec 7, 2009 8:17 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Okung will be there if we want him at #4
Cleveland won’t take Okung because they spent the #3 overall on Joe Thomas a couple years ago and he’s their franchise Left Tackle.
St. Louis won’t take Okung because they just spent their #2 overall on Jason Smith to be their LT.
Tampa Bay will take Suh, not Okung. Even if Suh is gone, TB is (from what I hear) happy with their current LT and would fill other more urgent needs.
by n4ry4 on Dec 9, 2009 11:19 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know about you but..........
I want some wins, even if that means we dont’ get Suh. I’m sick of losing every week. I really am – this team is awful (as we all know) so anyone would help. Would Suh help the MOST?? Probably but I want some FUC*ING wins the last quarter of the season. I’d give up Suh to go 2-2 in the last 4 weeks.
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by NYCLionsfan on Dec 7, 2009 7:36 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I'd only go that far...
If one of those games was a blow-out…
I really want to beat up on Jay Cutler again like 2 years ago! LET’S BEAT THOSE BEARS!
by ZWC11 on Dec 7, 2009 8:04 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
this is how u know u got a bad team
when u start looking forward to winning a matchup four weeks from now
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by latif on Dec 7, 2009 8:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I would love to crush the Bears
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by NYCLionsfan on Dec 7, 2009 9:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I was looking forward to that Brown's game since they hired Mangini...
I KNEW we’d have a chance.
by ZWC11 on Dec 8, 2009 8:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Well thought out post Drew and I agree with most of it.
Gosder has been a big disappointment this year. Hopefully there is enough talent to salvage. I would prefer to see them draft a top flight Guard [Iupati, Anthony Davis, or Mike Johnson] in the second round to fill that hole. Davis may be able to move to Right or Left Tackle in a couple of years.
I think the first pick should be for a DT, Suh or McCoy. McCoy has been rated nearly equal to Suh as a DT prospect and I would be happy with him if Suh is gone. I do like the idea of trading down, but again, who will do it and what will we get in relation to what we pass on?
I am not as satisfied with the quality of our running backs and would not be surprised if the Lions pick up an RB in round three or four depending on who drops. Kevin Smith is a good back who does everything reasonably well, but to have any kind of a run game in the NFL I think you need two backs to run the ball. Especially one back who can “move the pile” and break tackles. This however is a lower priority need.
The WRs we have are a real problem. I don’t know if it is our scouting [who the hell is in charge of WR evaluation?] or just bad luck, but other teams seem to be able to fill the slot position very easily with round four or five picks. The Northcutt trade and the D. Williams drafting look like failures right now. Although in Williams’ defence, a lot of WRs take a year or so before they get it. Bryant J. has never been any more than mediocre in his career. I thought it was foolish to expect him to be an effective #2 in Detroit.
I give the Lions some credit for trying to rebuild the secondary this year. I thought Buchanon might be a solid corner for us, even though he is nowhere near a shutdown type CB. I had hoped that Eric King was a guy who was buried on the Titans roster behind a great frontline group [I used that same logic with Loper] and might find a spot as a #2 CB here. No such luck. The rest of the guys [basically everyone on waivers at any point this season] have been what they always have been. Terrible.
Too many holes to fill in one year, but I will keep watching and hoping for better things to come. We have a real coach with some influence in the organization, and potentially a QB on both offence [Staff] and defence [Delmas].
I hate to continually preach patience, but we don’t have a lot of choice, do we?
by NorthLeft12 on Dec 7, 2009 8:08 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Good to see you back, Drew
The holes in the team a very numerous and I don’t think we’ll fill them anytime soon. Stafford, beside his inconsistent streaks is our QB of the future and I have no doubts about that. I also am happy with Smith, if and when we get a stronger O-Line, I think we’ll see Smith hit his full potential. Speaking of the O-Line, we need at least 3 new starters, Gos has been disappointing, and our guards are in desperate need of an upgrade. We also desperately need another WR, preferably a Possession type who can get open and force coverage away from CJ.
On Defence, we need lots of help. Pretty much our whole D-Line, especially at DT and in our secondary a couple of corner’s and another safety would be great. Can we fill all these holes next year? No. Can we fill some of them? Bloody well hope so. I’m hoping for DT, CB, DE, G in the early rounds.
2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).
Zack Follett: he will hurt your mind.
by Hyperion Ecta on Dec 7, 2009 8:43 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
B. Johnson is a possesion receiver
I think we need a speedster with decent hands. The problem right now is that we have no vertical threats when CJ goes out of the lineup.
btw, what happened to Derrick Williams, the guy apparently had 4.35 speed out of college. he has been non existent this year, as far as deep plays go
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by latif on Dec 7, 2009 9:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Call me crazy
but I think the Lions should move Aaron Brown to slot receiver. He has the speed and the hands, stronger than Williams, too IMO.
by JazzyBBP on Dec 7, 2009 9:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Bryant doesn't seem like a possession receiver to me
If he was, he’d have a lot more catches. What I want is someone like Wes Welker, a smart route runner who can run the short to middle routes. Hopefully, D. Williams can develop into a dangerous slot receiver with his speed, but I’m not counting on it.
2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).
Zack Follett: he will hurt your mind.
by Hyperion Ecta on Dec 8, 2009 6:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he is a slot receiver in terms of body type and speed
he doesnt have a lot catches cause he sux.
why the hell did we let furrey go anyways, if u want a good, cheap possesion receiver, he would be your guy.
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by latif on Dec 8, 2009 6:12 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Furrey did have that one good season
Body type-wise, yeah, BJ might be in that possession receiver category, but he doesn’t seem to be running the routes we need, and nor is he making catches, he’s dropped quite a few.
2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).
Zack Follett: he will hurt your mind.
by Hyperion Ecta on Dec 9, 2009 8:28 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Top 5 Picks are ALL Expensive
It’s not just the first pick that’s an expensive hit against the cap, it’s ALL top 5 picks. The BIG difference in these picks is not really the salary, but rather the guaranteed money.
Here’s the numbers for the top 5 picks last year, and then the drop off at 6 & 7:
- Detroit Matthew Stafford – QB 6 year $72 million contract, $41.7 million guaranteed
- St. Louis Jason Smith OT 6 year $61.775 million contract, $33 million guaranteed
- Kansas City Tyson Jackson – DE 5 year $57 million contract, $31 million guaranteed
- Seattle Aaron Curry – LB 6 year $60 million contract, $34 million guaranteed
- New York Jets Mark Sanchez – QB 5 year $60 million contract, $28 million guaranteed
- Cincinnati Andre Smith – OT 6 year $50 million contract, $21 million guaranteed
- Oakland Darius Heyward-Bey – WR 5 year $38.25 million contract, $23.5 million guaranteed
So you can see, #1-5 in the draft got $10-12 mil, and then 6+ got $8 mil or less.
Now on the postive side, they are the greatest value ever if you hit a home run. If Suh turns into Richard Seymour, Richard Dent, or Howie Long then it’s a GREAT VALUE. Seymour (who is a free agent after the season), will likely get a Haynesworth type of deal in the neighborhood of $12 mil per year. So if the top 5 pick is the game changer they are supposed to be then you get a great value locked in for 6 years.
That said, there are too many top picks like Glenn Dorsey ($10 mil), Chris Long ($9 mil), Tyson Jackson ($11 mil), Vernon Gholston ($10 mil), and Gaines Adams ($8 mil) that are stripping precious cap room from the teams that need it the most.
Regarding Julian Peterson, it was mentioned that we should sign him for next year. I agree, however, he is already signed through 2012 so we are good to go with him. We really need to get Foote on a 3 year deal though. He adds the right mindset of work ethic and toughness to the team.
by footstock on Dec 8, 2009 2:50 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
wow...pats are hustlas
i can bet u seymour is going back to the pats in this offseason, so oakland basically gave up a top 10 pick for a one year rent on a player.
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by latif on Dec 8, 2009 4:11 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I question Seymour to Pats
He was blindsided by the trade, and I don’t think he appreciated it. His kids were in school there, his family was there with deep roots, and it basically came as a shock that he was uprooted from there with no notice. I think the Pats would be the last team he would go to. I think he would prefer to be a Dolphin or Jet to cause the Pats some pain if given the option.
As for him leaving Oakland, they traded for him to keep him. If they can’t get a long term deal done, you can bet that they will lay the franchise tag on him instead of losing him and the pick.
by footstock on Dec 9, 2009 1:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yes to Foote!
Just a note of agreement that we need to keep Foote around. We need good veteran attitude to help shape the fired up attitudes of guys like Delmas.
by joelschoontanis on Dec 8, 2009 7:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed, except for this:
Secondary. I think Faggins and Williams are keepers, at least for the year. They havent been given a chance to play before being injured and I really do think they’ll be an improvement over an old guy like Henry and a so-so Buchanon. James we keep and see how another year works out for him (once we draft a pass rusher to help out) and draft a corner
by NK14 on Dec 8, 2009 4:48 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I like the new coaches and front office
As disappointing as this season has been in so many ways and as I look at all the areas Drew has pointed out that need to be addressed, I think we have the right men in charge finally. You look at the everyone they brought in, especially in the draft, and they’ve already made more good moves than were made in the last 10 years. It makes me look forward to the next round of building.
Go Lions!
by joelschoontanis on Dec 8, 2009 7:44 PM EST reply actions 0 recs

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