Afternoon Free Agency Update/Open Thread
by Sean Yuille on Feb 27, 2009 1:16 PM EST
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Talk about all the latest free agency action in this thread. Have an opinion on a move the Lions should make? Have thoughts on a move another NFL team has done? Leave a comment.
The Lions haven't done much yet, but quite a few notable things have happened since free agency began late last night. Here is a rundown of the latest:
- According to Peter King, cornerback Bryant McFadden was leaning toward signing with the Lions. Pro Football Talk, which has crashed due to an overload of traffic, called the report premature. I have no clue what the actual post said, but I can divulge the title ("Reports of McFadden Signing With Lions Are Premature") from a link to the post.
- Wide receiver Nate Washington is in Michigan to meet with the Lions today. He is a native of Toledo, and the Lions are interested in signing him to become their #2 receiver.
- Another wide receiver the Lions are interested in is T.J. Houshmandzadeh. He and Calvin Johnson would be an absolutely sick receiving duo, but there is nothing substantial other than the fact that the Lions are interested in him.
- Linebacker Jonathan Vilma, who the Lions were apparently interested in, wants to play in the state of Florida.
- Albert Haynesworth signed a seven-year, $100 million deal with the Washington Redskins. Apparently performance bonuses or incentives could max the deal out at $115 million. That is a whole lot of money, especially since the Redskins signed DeAngelo Hall to a six-year, $54 million deal last night.
- Linebacker Bart Scott is close to signing a deal with the Jets that would reunite him with Rex Ryan. A deal has been agreed to, but Scott still has to approve it before it becomes official.
- Running back Fred Taylor is now a Patriot.
- The Vikings officially traded for quarterback Sage Rosenfels. The Texans received a fourth-round pick in exchange for the QB.
- Tight end Kellen Winslow Jr. has been traded to the Buccaneers.
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How long do you guys think we'll have to wait until the first Lions deal is done?
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by Sean Yuille on Feb 27, 2009 1:20 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
this afternoon...
hopefully, but I think with the way the market is working, we may have to wait. It seems many players are setting up visits to boost paychecks, so if the players want to talk to everyone before they sign, it could take a couple of days.
by lions_sucker on Feb 27, 2009 1:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
I figured there would be at least one low-profile signing by now, but it looks like the market gonna make us wait a couple days for things to get rolling.
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by Sean Yuille on Feb 27, 2009 1:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So far...
I like the players they are interested in. I think Washington as a #2 WR and McFadden as the corner. They are both solid role players and know how to win.
by TonyDC on Feb 27, 2009 1:34 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
This Afternoon....
…My guess is Washington will be signed before he leaves town. Dockery im not sure of though. I would give Mcfadden 7 mil a year to get him in. yes its overpaying but they just got an extra 4 mil the other day in the salary cap rise. Also I believe that Mike Peterson will be the starting MLB for Detroit. then they will draft Curry. Sims, Curry And Peterson…I like that.
by BennieBladesFan on Feb 27, 2009 1:35 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
that would be nice...
it also gives lions options at lb. They could pick up Curry with number one and a ot at no. 2, or flip flop it and get cushing at no.2, or Laurainitus and move him over. Also, in this scenario, I think they should resign Lenon as a no. 2 at MLB and OLB, and his salary would reflect that. I think they are going to have to overpay any CB that is starting caliber, because a)they are the lions, and b)Nnamdi Asomugha.
by lions_sucker on Feb 27, 2009 1:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Lions so far in free agency...
I’d love to see the Lions sign Nate Washington as a no.2 WR and Bryant McFadden as a cb. I’ve also heard that they are interested in Derrick Ward, which I would love to see him and K.Smith in our backfield splitting carries, but I don’t know if he would want to come to Detroit when I’m sure he could go to a much higher profile team.
As far as T.J. goes, I would like it, but the problem is his age. He’s 31 and to sign him to a 7-9 million dollar/year 3-4 year contract is risky. I think Nate Washington is the better bet as one, his career is going to get a boost by playing opposite CJ and not being a #3 guy, whereas TJ is possibly past his prime and could be upset being in CJ’s shadow.
by lions_sucker on Feb 27, 2009 1:38 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Ditto for Ward
I’ve also heard the Lions are interested in him. They’re definitely looking for Smith’s backup.
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by Sean Yuille on Feb 27, 2009 1:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Let's hope
Mcfadden and Washington would be a great pick up early in FA, I would love the lions to bring in Igor Olshansky from chargers to play DT next to redding,
by msivits on Feb 27, 2009 1:40 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Igor Would Be Huge....
Thats a guy that would be nice to have in Detroit.
by BennieBladesFan on Feb 27, 2009 1:41 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
What about...
Rocky Bernard. He’s like a poor mans Haynesworth. At least 3.5 sacks per season the last 4 years at NT isn’t bad.
by lions_sucker on Feb 27, 2009 1:43 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
What do you think of these 1st 3 picks
Jason Smith
Clay matthews
James Laurainitus
by msivits on Feb 27, 2009 1:44 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
A couple of issues...
Clay Matthews is a 3-4 lb and James Laurainitus will not be there at 3.1. I don’t want them to draft back to back lb’s either, too many needs.
by lions_sucker on Feb 27, 2009 1:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree
Gotta spread the love in the draft to as many positions as possible.
And I think msivts meant Laurinaitis for the 2.1 pick. I don’t think he would be around for that either, but there’s a chance.
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by Sean Yuille on Feb 27, 2009 1:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
it was correct
Laurinatitus ran a 4.8 40 yard which raised some questions, clay matthews ran a 4.67 40 yard, I agree in spreading it out over positions but when you have a chace to secure you LB unit for 6-8 years I would take that gamble
by msivits on Feb 27, 2009 2:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Laurinaitus...
is a better lb than Matthews and will be a 1st round pick. Not to mention that he fits 4-3 better than Matthews. The 40-yard dash is ridiculously overrated. If one LB has better instincts, then .2 seconds doesn’t even matter. If Chris Spielman was slower than Paris Lenon, would you rather have Paris Lenon.
by lions_sucker on Feb 27, 2009 2:15 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Agree as well
Plus, back in September I drafted him with the pick I got from trading Roy Williams. He turned out to be a stud starting MLB, so I wouldn’t mind seeing that actually happen.
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by Sean Yuille on Feb 27, 2009 2:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This is in Madden, BTW
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by Sean Yuille on Feb 27, 2009 2:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Hahaha...
I love Madden, even the Lions can have a undefeated season and win the Super Bowl…every year.
by lions_sucker on Feb 27, 2009 2:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Not Bad....
…I like Curry #1, Britton OT #20, Johnson GT #33
FA Sign Mike Peterson, Igor, Mcfadden and Washington
by BennieBladesFan on Feb 27, 2009 1:47 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
To copy msivits...
I was thinking about draft scenarios. If the Lions pick up Derrick Dockery at LG, then I don’t see us picking up a LT number one, and that would leave Stafford or Curry.
I think Curry is the best player, but I think you can draft a LB at no.20 and have them be a major impact player on day one, but you can’t do that with QB, so if the right moves are made in the offseason, I would be ok with Stafford, mostly because we still have a round 1 pick after that.
by lions_sucker on Feb 27, 2009 1:50 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
anyways, to my point...
My mock draft, if we were to sign Mike Peterson, Rocky Bernard or Igor Olshansky, Bryant Mcfadden, and Nate Washington, would look like this:
1st: Matt Stafford
2nd: Brian Cushing or James Laurainitus
3rd: D.J Moore or Sean Smith
4th:Ron Brace
Curry at no.1 I would also be happy with, but I think one of those guys at no.2 along with Mike Peterson would be the upgrade we need, plus we still get a chance at a franchise qb. I think everyone is scared to take a qb because of our history, but Ryan Leaf and Peyton Manning had the same doubts and questions going into the draft, so you always take a risk taking a qb at no.1, but if it pays off, you win big.
by lions_sucker on Feb 27, 2009 2:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
oh....
and of course sign Derrick Dockery as well.
by lions_sucker on Feb 27, 2009 2:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
No To Stafford...
…..Hes not even the best QB in the draft….Freeman will be the best QB from this draft. Curry isnt just a LB hes the next Merriman and you wont get that at 20. Curry should be the top pick for the team.
by BennieBladesFan on Feb 27, 2009 1:51 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I will puke if they pick Stafford
Kiper is on his knees for Stafford to be the #1 pick. He is only pushing him because he had Stafford as a #1 coming out of high school or something like that. Why come this far and change your rankings when Stafford could be a top pick? Basically the experts are all saying the Lions should pick him because they need a QB. That’s an awful reason to pick someone #1 overall. If it weren’t for that, he would barely be a top 10 pick.
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by Sean Yuille on Feb 27, 2009 1:56 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
And to be honest, I think the quarterbacks that come out of next year’s class will blow Stafford and Sanchez away in the long run. I’ve said it before, and I’ll say it again, if you draft a quarterback and throw him to the wolves this season, there’s an extremely low probability for success. This team won’t turn around in one season and we’re still on the ground floor. Build up the line, D and run game, then pick a qb with what will most likely be a top 15 pick next season and watch the team turn the corner
by MP hawkfan on Feb 27, 2009 2:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I actually disagree
Next year’s top QBs will be McCoy and Bradford. I think Bradford will be a crappy pro QB and if he had come out, I would have wanted Stafford over him for sure. For McCoy, he is on the smallish size and I don’t know how great of a pro QB he would be. He sort of reminds me of Drew Brees, but does he have as good of an arm?
Then there’s the wildcard, Tebow. It will be interesting to see if they run more pro-style sets now that Loeffler is the QB coach. They want to get him ready for the NFL, so a changed up offense (not full-time, just every once in a while) could change up the draft.
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by Sean Yuille on Feb 27, 2009 2:18 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Now Way....
….Those guys wont be the best qbs out of the draft. Who says they will be?
by BennieBladesFan on Feb 27, 2009 2:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm just assuming here...
Bradford was a projected #1 pick before he decided to return to OU. I’m not sure what McCoy’s stock would be, but who else is out there next year? (That’s not a rhetorical question, I seriously don’t know who else is going to be in the draft at QB).
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by Sean Yuille on Feb 27, 2009 2:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Word...
…I think Curry could be the next Ray Lewis. I think if they needed to they could flip him to ILB. I will be pissed if they take Stafford #1.
by TonyDC on Feb 27, 2009 2:02 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
new rule...
no mentioning of drafting a qb on Lions forums. My apologies, I agree picking a qb is a “win right now” pick and Stafford may be a bust, but if we can address most problems with free agency and the draft, then I say take him. If we have no new LB’s going into the draft, I would take Curry, but on that same note, if we have no FA additions to the OLine, I say take Jason Smith.
by lions_sucker on Feb 27, 2009 2:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
As Will I Man....
….take Curry. Safe Pick and may be the next Merriman.
by BennieBladesFan on Feb 27, 2009 2:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Also safe
Curry looks like the most sure fire thing in this draft, and after 0-16 with a swiss cheese defense, that’s what we need more than anything to turn the ship around. We can’t afford to miss this season, and first round quarterbacks are always a stab in the dark…
by MP hawkfan on Feb 27, 2009 2:07 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Curry switch
Curry might be able to cause more havic on strong side starting his career
by msivits on Feb 27, 2009 2:16 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Switching topics a bit, anyone know how Dany Snyder spends money like the Yankees?
There is a salary cap for the Redskins, right?
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by Sean Yuille on Feb 27, 2009 2:21 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
No kidding....
…I believe that they saved on Hall becasue they picked up his contract last year and are paying him less this year……But Haynesworth has to put them over the cap.
by BennieBladesFan on Feb 27, 2009 2:22 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Also, who else is gonna laugh when the Redskins are still an average team next season
Snyder knows nothing about football and just spends money for the big name players.
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by Sean Yuille on Feb 27, 2009 2:21 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
And of course firing coaches too
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by Sean Yuille on Feb 27, 2009 2:21 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
They miss the point...
Their defense was great last year, their offense is the problem. Until the address that, the Giants, Eagles, and Cowboys will stop their offense and find ways to score more points then them.
by lions_sucker on Feb 27, 2009 2:23 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Chiefs...
just got Mike Vrabel in a trade from the Pats.
by lions_sucker on Feb 27, 2009 2:24 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Wow
Not surprising that the Chiefs and Patriots made a trade, but I wouldn’t have expected Vrabel to be part of it.
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by Sean Yuille on Feb 27, 2009 2:24 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Was it for a draft pick?
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by Sean Yuille on Feb 27, 2009 2:25 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know...
I don’t think it’s been disclosed, and since it’s the Chiefs, it’s going to be top secret for no reason at all.
by lions_sucker on Feb 27, 2009 2:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Haha yup
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by Sean Yuille on Feb 27, 2009 2:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Where Did You See This Trade At?
by BennieBladesFan on Feb 27, 2009 2:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
NFL network...
since PFT is sucking today.
by lions_sucker on Feb 27, 2009 2:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Try this
http://twitter.com/profootballtalk
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by Sean Yuille on Feb 27, 2009 2:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Looks like our FB just got signed by the 49ers
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by Sean Yuille on Feb 27, 2009 2:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
thanks...
yeah, I just read that, kind of a bummer, but Felton is a better choice. FB is the least of our concerns.
by lions_sucker on Feb 27, 2009 2:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yup
Felton was one of Millen’s rare great late-round picks.
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by Sean Yuille on Feb 27, 2009 2:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I love it when people raid
the cupboards of the places they used to work..
by msivits on Feb 27, 2009 2:25 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I know, right. Isn’t that the best way to do things?
Signed,
Rod Marinelli and Mike Martz
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by Sean Yuille on Feb 27, 2009 2:27 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The more I think about it...
I don’t think the Lions will draft a QB, I think they are happy with Culpepper competing with whoever in the offseason. I have faith in Culpepper, although much like Stafford, I think no one here does.
by lions_sucker on Feb 27, 2009 2:26 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
but...
I’m still not on the Curry bandwagon, I say go with Crabtree. CJ, Crabtree, and Washington. That would be AWESOME!
by lions_sucker on Feb 27, 2009 2:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t forget Percy Harvin!
Sincerely,
CollegeFootballNetwork
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by Sean Yuille on Feb 27, 2009 2:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
yeah...
I decided to never return to that site following that.
by lions_sucker on Feb 27, 2009 2:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Lions do seem like they are leaning toward not drafting Stafford
I think we’ll have a better idea in a few days.
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by Sean Yuille on Feb 27, 2009 2:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Why do you saying that?
I see no indications they are leaning toward Stafford.
by BennieBladesFan on Feb 27, 2009 2:33 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Toward NOT drafting Staffod
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by Sean Yuille on Feb 27, 2009 2:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think...
they are leaning towards trading out of the spot, especially if you look at Mayhews deal with Roy, I think he’s capable of doing so. If we get a capable LG to help out Backus and are content with Culpepper, then we could drop to even no. 5 and still get Curry. That would be the best, especially with another round 2 pick.
by lions_sucker on Feb 27, 2009 2:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I would love if they could trade down
Best case scenario IMO.
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by Sean Yuille on Feb 27, 2009 2:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Curry Will Go To Cheifs...
….at #3 so taht wouldnt work…..However I do love the idea of trading down and geting an extra pick this year and another number 1 for next year.
by BennieBladesFan on Feb 27, 2009 2:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Another PFT link
http://www.sportingnews.com/blog/real_scouts
That was crashed earlier as well. Traffic is off the hook for free agency.
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by Sean Yuille on Feb 27, 2009 2:32 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
yeah...
I was going to profootballtalk.sportingnews.com, but that stopped updating.
by lions_sucker on Feb 27, 2009 2:35 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Be right back...
Time for another update it looks like. News on Dockery and Washington is out. I’ll have an update up in a few minutes.
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by Sean Yuille on Feb 27, 2009 2:35 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Looks Like Dockery....
…Going To Skins.
by BennieBladesFan on Feb 27, 2009 2:42 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
My Bad...
….Think he ment Dockery And Nate Washington…Not Dockery and Skins
by BennieBladesFan on Feb 27, 2009 2:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I think...
he was referring to Dockery and Nate Washington, not Redskins. Just a thought, since they are both in Detroit right now.
by lions_sucker on Feb 27, 2009 2:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Oh Thats Funny...
….You could be right or I may be right…..We will soon find out. HaHa
by BennieBladesFan on Feb 27, 2009 2:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yes It Does But...
….Felton is the real deal.
by BennieBladesFan on Feb 27, 2009 2:53 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I would love to sign him
so much for not breaking the bank on the 1st day, Mayhew must have a hammer out and is in Fords office looking for the piggy bank!!!! : 0
by msivits on Feb 27, 2009 2:51 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
NEW OPEN THREAD
*Take the discussion to this thread since it is now the one at the top of the site*
And yes, I was referring to Nate Washington, not the team.
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by Sean Yuille on Feb 27, 2009 2:53 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
HAHAH
Someone posted this on a different forum site.
“Tinfraser, a former NFL GM said he thinks the lions should target Derek Brooks, Joey Galloway, and Warrick Dunn. He also thinks the Lions should consider selecting Crabtree and Harvin with their two 1st round. This former GM should know how to build a football team, he put togeather a record setter himself.”
How do you guys feel about drafting crabtree and harvin with our first two picks? HAHA
by Megatron on Feb 27, 2009 2:53 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
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