Who to Take with Pick #33?
by Sean Yuille on Mar 4, 2009 11:43 AM EST
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PrintA few days I ago I asked for some suggestions on who to draft with pick #20 in the Football Burrito mock draft, and I ended up taking defensive tackle Peria Jerry. Admittedly, I'm starting to regret that pick, especially with the news that the Lions are probably going to sign Grady Jackson. Nevertheless, that was the pick and I am stuck with it now. Even so, I'm about to go on the clock with the #33 pick and am asking for suggestions yet again.
My thoughts on the pick are that it's time to shift my focus to the offensive side of the ball or focus on improving the secondary. I am leaning toward the former, as I believe it is time to find a starting left guard or someone that can start at left tackle and eventually allow the Lions to move Jeff Backus to left guard. Also, if a certain running back is still on the board when I go on the clock, I will consider taking him despite the fact that the Lions don't have a need at running back. The chances of actually taking him are slim, bur I will consider making that move nonetheless.
Here is a rundown of who has been selected so far:
- LB Aaron Curry (Lions)
- OT Eugene Monroe (Rams)
- OT Jason Smith (Chiefs)
- QB Matthew Stafford (Seahawks)
- LB Rey Maualuga (Browns)
- OT Andre Smith (Bengals)
- WR Michael Crabtree (Raiders)
- CB Malcolm Jenkins (Jaguars)
- DE/OLB Everette Brown (Packers)
- DE/OLB Brian Orakpo (49ers)
- DE Aaron Maybin (Bills)
- DT B.J. Raji (Broncos)
- OT Michael Oher (Redskins)
- LB Brian Cushing (Saints)
- QB Mark Sanchez (Buccaneers; Pick traded to TB by HOU)
- DE Tyson Jackson (Chargers)
- WR Jeremy Maclin (Jets)
- WR Darrius Heyward-Bey (Bears)
- LB Clay Matthews (Texans; Pick traded to HOU by TB)
- DT Peria Jerry (Lions)
- TE Brandon Pettigrew (Eagles)
- CB Vontae Davis (Vikings)
- WR Percy Harvin (Jaguars; Pick traded to JAC by NE)
- LB Clint Sintim (Falcons)
- CB Sean Smith (Dolphins)
- CB Mike Mikens (Ravens)
- LB James Laurinaitis (Colts)
- RB Knowshon Moreno (Eagles)
- WR Hakeem Nicks (Giants)
- CB D.J. Moore (Titans)
- DE Michael Johnson (Cardinals)
Leave your thoughts on the pick in the comments section.
UPDATE: D.J. Moore and Michael Johnson have been drafted since I first posted this.
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I'd have to agree with you
Freeman may be a steal if he produces. He’s a work in progress but a year behind Culpepper and he could be a gem next season. (I still want them to have a competition for the starter this year). The only problem with Freeman is the Lions could snag Simms in the next week and that would leave too many QB’s on the team unless they cut Culpepper.
Alphonso Smith will be a great CB. Really plays hard and will do well at the NFL level.
I’s be happy with either of them.
"A child of five would understand this. Send someone to fetch a child of five." ~Groucho Marx
I believe we would take in this case at least hope Duke Robinson OG OK
by Liontotheextreme on Mar 4, 2009 11:50 AM EST reply actions
We're all set at DE already
White’s a valid starter & Avril is an up-and-comer. Our backups IAF and DeVries are good backups. We don’t need to spend a high draft pick on a DE when we have so many other holes.
Yeah...
…but Johnson is going to be a stud. What does it hurt to take him now? White is good but how many years left does he have? Avril is a great pass rusher but is not an every down DE, which is something Johnson has the potential to be.
Micheal Johnson or alphonso Smith....
….Either one of those would be great…..We can always get one more year out of Backus…..GO DEFENSE!!!
by BennieBladesFan on Mar 4, 2009 12:08 PM EST reply actions
Michael Johnson or Duke Robinson
Both of these guys would be upgrades, if we got Duke almost instant starter and if we got Michael than he would compete with White and since White gets injured every year he would have a great chance to start some games this year
by Liontotheextreme on Mar 4, 2009 12:13 PM EST reply actions
Alex Mack
Put him at OG for a year until Raiola’s done.
Or Unger. He can play all over the line.
If neither is available, Alphonso Smith.
Mack is a stud. We skipped him at #20, but he's a steal at #33
The best interior lineman in the entire draft class, if he lasts past 31 & 32, should be our pick.
Alex Mack.
Pittsburg took Mack at #32
Looks like if we want Alex Mack in April, we’ll need to take him at #20.
Actually, since Minny just lost Matt Birk in FA, they’ll probably give Alex Mack a look at #22 in April.
He won’t last very long once we hit the second half of the draft.
Who to take
Alex Mack, Duke Robinson, or Josh Freeman. Freeman is a Culpepper clone.
When angry, count four; when very angry, swear. ~Mark Twain, Pudd'nhead Wilson, 1894
Michael Johnson is a Bust
Remember Kalimba Edwards? Excellent size, speed, strength. No Heart.
When angry, count four; when very angry, swear. ~Mark Twain, Pudd'nhead Wilson, 1894
I'd go with O-Line here
What about OT’s Eben Britton or William Beatty? I thought they would be a reach at #20 but either one at #33 would be a good value pick.
Wish I had more time to review stuff
Amend my comments from above to include these two guys. I figured they’d be gone by now. Either one would be fine as well.
"A child of five would understand this. Send someone to fetch a child of five." ~Groucho Marx
Britton had a bad combine....
….They said hed be a right tackle in NFL….We already got Cherilus. Mack would be good to put at guard for a year when raolia becomes a free agent next year we move mack to center…..Still think Moore or Johnson or Mack.
by BennieBladesFan on Mar 4, 2009 12:47 PM EST up reply actions
Who's Who
I’m just wondering who is our starting left guard? I think its Manny Ramirez and Peterman is right, thats sad cause manny is an ok backup. Mlb- lenon’s a free agent but may be back but i think a good offseason could at least make dizon decent. He’s not as bad as people think, just had a chance. Finally whos our strong safety? I mean we have young players with bullocks and alexander at FS but who’s our SS?
by Liontotheextreme on Mar 4, 2009 12:39 PM EST reply actions
Manny Ramirez
Right Guard drafted in 07. Size is pretty good, 6’3" 335. He is ok from my under-football-educated perspective. He just needs more starting time and only has played 5 games, started 3 of them. I’m sure if the O-line had consistent starters it wouldn’t be nearly as poor as it is.
sadly, the only rookie SS i am really expecting to see is our 7th rounder Caleb Campbell. At least he will be conditioned. Anyone else curious about the impact he will make in 2010?
William Beatty or Alex Mack
The O-Line needs fixing sooner rather than later.
I'd take a first-tier interior OL over a second-tier Tackle
We need a tackle eventually, but Backus is still under contract for a while.
We’d only want to experiment with Backus at Guard IF he’s being replaced by a true stud LT (Monroe or Jason Smith)
Don’t spend #33 on a second-tier OT when we could get the best interior OL in the draft
Alex Mack really will improve our run game. He can do it all and has all the intangibles.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P8xCkToEnJ8
See the above highlights if you haven’t.
Backus and Raiola
are two good lineman…..Backus just needs help and Raiola if he got his attitude right is a PRO BOWLER….
Backus allowed 9.25 sacks in 2008, 3rd worst for LT's
even though Detroit attempted the 14th fewest passes in the league.
If the primary job of a LT is to protect the QB, Backus is not a “good” lineman.
3rd and short
Backus is too jumpy and holds to much, when he is not being beaten of the edge. He makes 3rd and short—-3rd and long to often, move him inside.
Raiola
His attitude is right. He has been surrounded by mediocre talent and he has @ssholes yelling at him. He has the right to be defensive, seems to me the only people who criticize Dom is the hometown fans.
When angry, count four; when very angry, swear. ~Mark Twain, Pudd'nhead Wilson, 1894
thoughts
We will be lucky to get Duke Robinson at 33, I’m pretty sure the Steelers will steal him.
so chronologically rating the players I would take at 33…
A. Duke Robinson OG Oklahoma, B. William Beatty OT Connecticut, C. Alphonso Smith CB Wake Forest.
Considering secondary, it would be interesting to bring 2 players from Wake Forest to the lions, maybe some trust and chemistry would come with it. I am also a little interested by the safeties, particularly William Moore and Louis Delmas. Anyone watch WMU football? Delmas has some hot stats, but i put the stats into question when being a dominate player on WMU’s defense.
Regarding OL, I know Duke Robinson didn’t have his best game at the BSC nat. champ., but could someone sell me on Alex Mack? Is he capable playing guard for a season? Would he give the battered and bruised Raiola a run for the starting job? I can say he has a good looking resume, but those don’t always speak for themselves.
Here's some video...
I like the one where he takes out 3 blockers at once. He’s got the size, technique, smarts and athleticism. He can pull and from the video, he stays on his blocks until the play is over. I could handle taking him at 20.
by WBL on Mar 4, 2009 2:03 PM EST up reply actions
Mack is bigger, stronger, younger, more athletic
than Raiola, and he has all the intangibles to be a leader on our OL. He’s very smart, plays with his head up & good awareness, works really hard, finishes blocks. He can certainly play LG for a while.
This one is easy
You just spent the first two picks on D, and now you still have one of the Top 5 Left Tackles still on the board? Come on Guys, Ebon Britton is the easy pick here.
by damnitdamnitdamnit on Mar 4, 2009 1:38 PM EST reply actions
Is the 5th best OT a better pick
than the best interior OL?
Also, LG is a bigger need now than LT, and we’ll replace Raiola before we replace Backus.
Sorry for all the Alex Mack spam, but Alex Mack. Mack makes way more sense than Britton.
We have starting Tackles.
Unless we take one of the top 2 Tackles, I think you still shoot for impact starters. If the top interior linemen are there you take one of them over a second tier tackle. Thats easy.
When angry, count four; when very angry, swear. ~Mark Twain, Pudd'nhead Wilson, 1894
I forgot...
Sean, don’t kick yourself for the Jerry pick and here’s why:
-He can anchor our D-Line for years.
-How better to learn that backing up Redding and Jackson.
-Jackson will NOT play every down, and probably closer to 60%, giving Jerry lots of PT.
-This one is far out, bu maybe Jerry can convince his Ole Miss buddy Oher to come to Detroit in a couple of years.
-I would love a d-line with white and avril rushing, and then redding and jerry in the middle, then Curry and Sims at the second level, would you want to run on that?
by damnitdamnitdamnit on Mar 4, 2009 1:53 PM EST reply actions
Alex Mack
Yep, Alex Mack after a first round of Curry and Jerry sounds great. (although I wish the Jerry pick was a CB but oh well)
by HoorayForEverything on Mar 4, 2009 1:53 PM EST reply actions
We don't need another DE
Avril looks good. White is solid. We have a couple decent backups. We don’t need to spend picks and sal cap on another DE
33
If your going to fix the offense,,,Mack or Beatty would be the pick…
I guess Beanie wells is the runningback you have in mind.
Duke Robinson or Shawn Nelson or Robert Ayers are choices to consider..
Larry English is still on the board and would give the Lions one hell of a Linebacker corp…
Personally,,,,I would try to move down,, grabbing Robert Ayers, to go with Peria Jerry ,White and Redding….,If not,,,,Mack would be my choice here..
The best option...
is to trade for a starting CB or trade back a few spots. There are still a ton of quality players on the board and I am sure someone would like leapfrog and snatch one of them. If you are not sure, then trade back a few and pick up a 3rd and 4th rounder.
Otherwise take a OG or CB.
we just traded for a starting CB...
anthony henry can step in from day 1 and start CB.. i thought he was better than newman in dallas.. and we can possible throw chris carr into that rotation.. i see the eagles taking a bigger RB like Wells before they would take moreno.. and if he’s available at 33 i dont see how they could pass him up..
moreno i mean..
the lions couldnt pass up moreno at 33.. mo morris was a waste, especially when we couldve signed derrick ward or jj arrington for the same money..
I agree...
…at least with signing Ward or Arrington. I don’t agree that Morriss was or is a waste. He averages 4 yds a carry. He is a change of pace back that is not getting much guaranteed money.
It would be hard to pass up an amazing athlete yet very raw talent like Moreno (and I do mean raw, all he can do is run instictively then JUMP!) but I might in order to address the more glaring concern of OL or CB. RB’s are a dime a dozen these days and a good OL can make an average RB look like Reggie Bush.
We just signed Buchannon which basically means we have a couple of mercenaries for starting CB’s. They won’t be here more than 2 seasons, or just enough time to develop suitable replacements. So that renders my “trade for a starting CB” comment fruitless.
Now I would say, “Draft a CB or OG.” Oh, wait, I already said that! I am so smart!
Starting CB's, or GOOD ones wont play for us.
see Ken Lucas
When angry, count four; when very angry, swear. ~Mark Twain, Pudd'nhead Wilson, 1894
Duke Robinson, OG
Would be a dominent figure in a rushing attack and would give Kevin Smith something to run behind. Mack would also be a good choice but I don’t see him providing the same amount of push on the run.
Either
Duke – For reasons already stated
Mack – For reasons already stated
Kenny Britt/Brian Robiskie/Jared Cook – I’m still not sold on the receivers behind Calvin.
Take UNGER ( Oregon) he plays G C RT and played some LT ..also .. hes a guy that can step in a fill the “weak” spot during camp…. this would be a GREAT pick..( Mack is a better C , and Robinson a better guard – both a spot or 2 ahead of Unger at those spots) ..but OVERALL “VALUE” UNGER wins out ..flexiblity is a big OL need
I am going to go with Beanie or Unger.
First off, Beanie wells at #33 is a HUGE value. He is as good as darren mcfadden and should have been a Top 5 pick in any other year. I know it’s not necesarily a need, but talent wise, he is WAY better than kevin smith. don’t get me wrong, I like smith a lot and he was good last year, but Beanie is a way more talented back.
And Unger is just so versatile that he could fill one of several needs.
Corner is sured up now with todays signing..
and don’t feel bad about Jerry. Grady Jackson was a stop gap and we will be lucky to get 2 years out of him. I have a feeling he is going to play very little and Peria Jerry is a beast. I think the general feeling is that Jerry would be gone by #20 and the lions don’t plan on taking any of the lesser DT’s with their first picks so they picked up Jackson. I’m sure that if he is available they would seriously consider taking him just like we did.
Another RB option
Shonn Greene from Iowa in one of the later rounds. Doak Walker winner. The ONLY back to go over 100 in every game. Knocked out at least three linebackers during the season. He’s a one cut power back that if nothing else will guarantee you four yards or more if used as a third down back.
Why spend the TOP second-round pick on a position we're arleady fine at?
We already have a good running back and a good backup running back.
We can only had the ball to one guy at a time, so why would we draft another RB?
Let’s pick a guy who fills a need.
Easy
Because Beanie Wells may turn out to be the BEST player that came out this year. Kevin Smith is a solid RB and could be a career starter, but Beanie has the potential to be a HOFer. You don’t pass on that in the second round lightly.
We’ve all seen the guy play. He is a monster. He is as good as any back that came out last year, and he is dropping to us in the second round. That’s insane. If you could go back to the year Emmit Smith came out, and you knew he was going to be Emmit Smith, and he fell to you in the second round, does it matter who your RB is? You draft him…
I’m not saying it’s our only option, just that we have to at least consider it.
Mack would be the best pick
Mack can play at any position on the OLine. He could be groomed to be the next Left Tackle or Center.
Analysis
Positives: Tall, athletic center with large biceps and a solid lower body build. Puts in full effort on every play, often getting downfield for a second or third block. Nimble enough to get in front of screens, trap block inside and eliminate linebackers at the second level. Keeps his legs moving once making contact with his target, often putting his man on the ground in the process. Gets under the pads of taller tackles, able to push them back 5-7 yards. Creates huge holes on combination blocks inside. Adept at regular and shotgun snaps, getting his hands up quickly afterwards. Despite his size, he can quickly get low to cut block and will continue to work after the initial contact. Leader of the line.
Negatives: Plays a bit high at times, occasionally losing leverage or getting pushed back against wide-bodies. Does not play with a particularly wide base. Will lean forward too much when in space, losing his ability to sustain the block and allowing defenders to get him off balance. Sometimes misses his target in space. Lacks a great push in short-yardage situations. Needs quicker feet and lateral movement in pass protection to handle quick, penetrating three-technique tackles and adjust to blitzing linebackers inside.
Take Alex Mack
Duke will be available in the 3rd round, and Unger isn’t as good or as versatile.
Steelers just took Alex Mack
That’s disappointing. shoulda traded up a few spots from #33.
In the real draft I don’t expect him to last much past pick #20
Kenny Britt WR Rutgers, at this point
seems like a good pick, with Alex Mack already gone to Pittsburgh. Britt is projected as a borderline round 1-2 prospect, with all the other top WR’s off the board.
He could certainly be a very good #2 WR.
He’s 6’4 218, ran a 4.48 and did 23 reps on the bench press. Big, tough, WR. Doesn’t have blazing speed, but is fast enough.
Some attitude/work ethic concerns, but working opposite CJ and forcing him to earn the spot over Bryant Johnson ought to keep him humble & motivated.
At this point I think he’s a good value with a lot of upside.
Since Mack is gone
How about Alphonso Smith. I know we just got two corners, but we don’t have much else. Plus he can be groomed to start. Put him at nickel unless he beats out Henry, then move him to a starter when either of the starters is gone or can’t keep him out of the lineup anymore.
If not Smith, then Unger/ Robinson/ Brace.
pick 33
1. trade for Derek Anderson 2. Robert Ayers 3. Alphonso Smith
Pick #33
I am of two minds on this pick;
Option Offence – Left Tackle William Beatty[UConn] or Eben Britton[Arizona].
Option Defence – Safety Louis Delmas [Western Michigan] or another DT Evander Hood [Missouri]
My preference is Louis Delmas. Lets build a real defence!
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