Everyone Take a Deep Breath and a Note to the Media
Now that we are about 12 hours removed from the news about Matthew Stafford breaking, I feel that it is necessary to tell everyone to take a deep breath and relax. Listen, I was one of the biggest anti-Stafford people on here for a variety of reasons, but the fact of the matter is that he is the top pick. That doesn't mean you can't share your opinion or voice your displeasure with the pick, as that is what being a fan is all about. However, I will not tolerate people that call each other names, constantly are swearing, or are posting other inappropriate things. You can disagree with the pick in a professional way, and just this morning I've seen a lot of people not doing that.
Aside from the appropriateness of some posts, I feel that it is important for everyone on the ledge to take a step back. If you want to jump before the draft even officially begins, then be my guest, but I don't want to hear it. Again, you can voice your opinion all you want, but I'm not going to sit here and read comments about how "like OMG, Mayhew is the worst GM ever!" If you seriously believe that before the draft even begins, keep it to yourself, as it doesn't add to the conversation. At least wait until one day of the draft is out of the way to make a judgment about Mayhew. That's what I'm going to do. He has shown us enough to warrant a chance in my opinion. Of course, his opinion with many of you took a hit last night, but we still have two more picks today to judge him on, so let's not pencil in a grade just yet.
Finally, this is nothing against Stafford and is completely unrelated, but how out of touch is the mass media? Just from watching some ESPN and NFL Network, it is obvious that the mass media doesn't do a whole lot of research. Since the Stafford deal was announced, I've heard one girl on the NFL Network ask Dan Miller, the voice of the Lions, if a pick like this will re-energize the city of Detroit with the excitement it brings. Aside from the ridiculousness of a pick re-energizing a city, especially when he is making so much money, do these people on TV not understand that the majority of fans didn't even want Stafford to be the pick? I could understand them being clueless if the only polls about the top pick were on a blog like POD, but the Lions' official website had one and Stafford finished third behind Aaron Curry and Jason Smith.
On top of that, listening to Deion Sanders talk about how drafting someone like Stafford will sell tickets really angered me. How is someone that likely won't start, at least early on, going to sell tickets? Mike Mayock chimed in and said that for the amount of money Stafford is being paid, he better start from day one. That is an entirely different conversation that I'm sure we will have shortly, but Mayock has a point. Fans are going to want to see Stafford play, even though the smart thing to do is leave him on the bench and not throw him to the wolves so early in his career. People bring up Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco as examples of why he should play, but let's face it, the Falcons and Ravens were much better situations for rookie quarterbacks than Detroit is right now. Besides, Ryan and Flacco were fifth-year seniors by the time they went to the NFL. Stafford left after his junior season and probably needs more time to fully ready for the league.
Anyways, I don't want to go on a rant about that right now since it is a discussion we will likely have on a daily basis from now until the start of the season. Just make sure to read the top two paragraphs and chill. Like I said, I was one of the biggest anti-Stafford people on here, but it's time to start to move on. You can obviously share your opinion and disagree with the pick -- I've done it a lot -- but at least do it in a professional way and relax.
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ok i am now a Stafford fan
no choice, but Mayhew def took a huge step in my opinion. he needs to prove to us that he is competent when it comes to the draft.
When angry, count four; when very angry, swear. ~Mark Twain, Pudd'nhead Wilson, 1894
I Agree
People do need to calm down and realize that no one knows for sure whether this pick is going to pan out or not.
But I completely disagree Mayock in the assessment that Stafford needs to start immediately. Since we’re spending so much on him, we need to protect the investment and make sure we put out the product when its ready. Forget what the fans want now, do whats best for the team in the long run.
something else..
I live on the west coast. And I was at work Listening to the Tony Bruno show on the radio. So when the 4pm( Stafford deal ) came and when. Bruno broke in with a special update about the Stafford deal dead-line. He had an unnamed source. Told Bruno that at 4:01pm Curry’s agent. I can not remember who he is. But he is a " super agent". Started to re-work Curry is proposed deal. The agent was quoted saying " That if his client was going to be the number one pick. Then he should get number one money". But I have not been able to find anything to back-up Bruno’s report
110%
agreed man. I agree with everything you said. Amen. ESPN this morning shared your sentiments about Matt Ryan and Flacco being put on teams that were way closer than the Lions are. They might be bonehead “experts,” but it made me feel better inside when they said that Stafford will be the QB we’ve been looking for in a few years (assuming that means he’ll ride the pine at first to develop).
Disappointed
I agree with simscity. It might make sense to throw in Stafford for the amount of money he’s being paid, but it would be ineffective if he’s on his back every other play his rookie year, potentially ruining his confidence for the next five years and probably costing us a fortune in the long run. I was against drafting Stafford months ago, and have been praying for them to draft Curry, but now that the pick has been made I gotta hop on the Stafford bandwagon. Being a season ticket holder during the “Joey-Ball Game” era, all I see right now is Joey Harrington version 2.0. Hopefully these games won’t be blacked out this year and I’ll get a chance to see Stafford play towards the end of the year and he’ll change my mind.
I agree
Stafford wasn’t my first choice but I am at least willing to give him a chance to grow in to the job.
Mixed Emotions
I know running a football team is not a democracy but I just wish the management would have gone against their gut and drafted the way the fans wanted. The lions have tried to build a team with a high drafted QB and has busted every time and it is obvious the fans don’t have a lot of faith in this strategy. I don’t dislike Stafford and I see how much potential he has and I even understand why they would want him. If someone else drafted him and he went onto win superbowls I’m sure everyone would have said the Lions could have had him and pass him up but that would not have bothered me at all if us fans got what we wanted. Curry was cheaper and just as important to the team scheme as a QB (ex. Ray Lewis, Brian Urlacher, Troy Palimalu, In the past there was Lawrence Taylor, Bill Romonowski, Junior Seau). All these guys were just as important to their teams success as any QB. Seeing the failed formula rear its ugly head again even though Stafford may be better than all in the past is just phsycologically difficult for me and probably most Lions fans. With that said the team management knew they would have a backlash from this pick and they know it may even put their jobs at risk if it goes bust. I do have faith though that they know the consequences of failure and they want the Lions to be successful as much as the rest of us so good luck Stafford. Don’t burn us like all the QB’s we got in the past did and us fans will warm up and learn to love you.
by MonteCarlo7888 on Apr 25, 2009 12:05 PM EDT reply actions
Palimalu is a safety...
…Ray Lewis has Ed Reed, Brian Urlacher has Lance Briggs, and Pittsburgh is…well…Pittsburgh. I like Aaron Curry as much as the next guy, but I wouldn’t go so far as to say that a linebacker is as important as a quarterback. I also can’t put Curry in the same class as Ray Lewis or Brian Urlacher, let alone the original LT. The fact is the Lions still absolutely need a linebacker (unless anyone is still open to letting Jordon Dizon have the job), but they need a DT and an offensive line almost as much if not more. Stafford may prove to be the man, but he isn’t going to help a team that just went “defeated”, at least not this year. #20 better be a stud!
Good comments, MonteCarlo
I think a lot of people share your sentiments, but I just wish they could express them as well as you did. Hopefully, Stafford will be a pleasant surprise for us all.
Grading Mayhew
I posted last night that I was slowly, and reluctantly, coming around on Mr. Millen’s protege. I also had come to grips with the fact that Matt Stafford was likely to be the first overall pick (I wish him the best because I have to). Where Mayhew has already fallen on his face as far as I’m concerned is how he managed to take a position of leverage and got spun into the largest contract in NFL history. If it’s true that Curry’s agent flipped the script on the Lions after the Stafford deadline had passed then they should have moved to their next option, then the next, and so on until they ended up with a player they want for the money they want. The team went 0-16 last season and has a OG a MLB and a DT that weren’t even good enough to make that team. I know they need a QB, I’ve watched a football game or two in my lifetime, but the best scenario is that Stafford sits for a while before he plays. For me, Mayhew will not get the entire day before he gets graded…that pick at #20 better help this team immediately!
Agree with Sean
I’ve always liked the civility of the fans posting (for the most part) on POD. It feels more like a community when people aren’t shouting at each other and starting flame wars behind the anonymity of the internet (which happens on a lot of other board). I know I’ve made stronger statements than I really meant to here & there, but I’m trying to adjust to the idea that after a pretty solid offseason or FO just paid a ridiculous contract for the guy most fans didn’t want.
It’s hard when you spend six months looking forward to the draft and it begins with what feels like a massive letdown. It’s like in 1408 [spoiler alert] when John Cusak thinks he’s escaped the horror-filled hotel room, and then the world around him comes crashing down and he finds out he’s still inside. I had a picture pop into my head of Martin Mayhew ripping off his face Mission Impossible-style to reveal a certain former GM who’s name I don’t want to say. But that means I’m just letting my frustration get the best of me, and I need to listen to Sean and chill.
But the truth (as hard as it is to admit) is that we can’t judge a draft class on draft day, or even a year later.
I’m saying this for myself as much as anyone…right now Aaron Curry has exactly as many NFL sacks, interceptions, and tackles-for-loss as Stafford has NFL touchdown throws. They have the same number of NFL wins and losses.
We still have a lot to be excited about over the next day and a half. I can muster up the excitement if you guys can.
We're with you on the excitement, n4ry4!
How can you not be excited for draft day? We still have 7 picks left and two more today alone! I can hardly wait to find out who they are and what other drama might happen. Merry X-mas everybody!
Can you tell, I’m a little giddy?
Great post
I especially liked your statement about how right now Curry and Stafford have the same amount of stats, zero. Very smart of you. We can’t judge any of these guys yet, not unitl they get on that field and show some production.
2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).
by Hyperion Ecta on Apr 25, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Two points...One for all and one for Sean.
First, If the kid is being paid 41.7 Mil guaranteed, he should start from day one, period. The highest paid contract in the NFL should not be holding a clipboard. If he does sit, then what was the point of drafting him when there was so much guaranteed talent for guaranteed less money. He needs to play from day one, and they need to make that clear in camp. I don’t care if his greedy butt is on the ground every play, that is what he gets.
Second, and this is to you Sean. You are forgetting that the “Media” you are referring to is a group of old-timer’s that talk only with each other. It sucks, but at ESPN, and NFL, they have a different way of getting information than what is now the most technologically relevant. They talk only to each other and read only each other, I would be very surprised if any of them went to the Detroit website, or this website, which is probably the most viewed Lions portal. Don’t be discouraged, please, and remember that for most this form of media is new and very scary. People like Kiper, Jr. that don’t like being disagreed with are especially afraid. Keep up the good work and we will be more relevant in the blink of an eye.
by damnitdamnitdamnit on Apr 25, 2009 12:07 PM EDT reply actions
I think you're second point was exactly what Sean was talking about--they're out of touch
It sucks when somebody is clearly wrong but is paid to be an expert, but that’s the world we live in I guess.
For your first point, I totally want to agree that it’s ridiculous to pay a player $41.7 million if he can’t play football for a year. That basically means we’re getting nothing for year one, and paying 20% more for the next five years when he (hopefully) will be playing since the first year we’re getting nothing on the field from him.
But if the best long-term solution is for Stafford to sit—if that will help him succeed, then I guess maybe he should sit.
We’re already blowing a ridiculous amount of money on a player most fans didn’t want, c’est la vie, but let’s not let that money be a total waste by making decisions based on idealistic assumptions (“a high-priced QB should play!”) rather than reality (young QB’s need to sit to learn & build confidence).
No...
My response to Stafford’s playing time is based purely on spite, and I won’t budge.
by damnitdamnitdamnit on Apr 25, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Agree about the media
They are very out of touch. Rich Eisen is actually on Twitter, though, so there is one person out there in touch with the fans.
Pride of Detroit, SB Nation's Lions Blog
by Sean Yuille on Apr 25, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly!
And that is why he chose Aaron Curry in the NFL Draft Roundtable…
by damnitdamnitdamnit on Apr 25, 2009 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
That's why everyone with NFL Network...
should tune into the draft there instead of ESPN. We should all support this fantastic network and get it to all major cable companies. Also, they analysis is better anyway. I do like Berman, though.
I like Eisen
I routinely watch his ‘my take’ videos on NFL.com
2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).
by Hyperion Ecta on Apr 25, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Thank you, Sean
Well stated. There are good ways and bad ways to voice your anger, and last night there was way too much of the bad ways on this site. Over one pick, people are immediately saying that they HATE Mayhew and Schwartz. For god’s sake people, you may not have wanted Stafford, but give the kid at least a shot before you condemn him as the “worst pick ever OMG!”
Also, don’t lose heart, everyone. There are seven picks (barring trades) left to go today. This could still be a VERY good draft for us (I think it already is, but that’s beside the point).
I know..
just have a Coke and a smile. And just relax abit. See what the Lions do with the rest of the draft.
A coke????
It better have enough rum in it to last the couple of hours it takes to get to pick #33.
by damnitdamnitdamnit on Apr 25, 2009 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Offense
If the Lions build an offense second to none they could do like the saints, texans, and broncos of las year and go 8-8 without a defense.
Don't want that
They don’t win championships. Its all defense. Titans, Steelers, Ravens = all defense. I hope they get Brian Cushing at 20 if he is still available. Or Robert Ayers.
by dettigionswings'stons on Apr 25, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Laurinatius would be better for our needs...
But I still want Peria Jerry there.
by damnitdamnitdamnit on Apr 25, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks for this post, Sean
Hopefully, you understood that this is what I was trying to say last night. Disagreements are simply that. But it’s a whole other issue to get vulgar or downright nasty over not getting the pick that you wanted. Settle down and use a cautious wait and see approach with Stafford. You might just get surprised.
I fully agree with your sentiment, Sean. And hopefully you didn’t read anything more than this into my comments last night when I “signed off”. It was just getting a bit crude around here. Like I said, those comments take the fun out of this draft… which is what I’m going to have today. I hope everyone here does too.
I fell like I should offer you my sympathy
When I got on here last night to talk about the news, it was brutal, and you were right in the thick of it. Thanks to both you and Sean for doing your best to keep things civilized around here.
And you can bet I’ll be having fun today. I feel like a kid on Christmas! :)
Great to hear, AZ
that you’ll be having fun today. I think you can tell that I’ll be having a great time today.
By the way… are you from the U.P.? I grew up there. You don’t have to say what city or anything, but it’s cool if you did.
St. Ignace...
just on the other side of the bridge… so I’m kind of a borderline yooper, but a yooper nonetheless. Live in mid-Michigan now.
Very cool that you are from there.
St. Ignace counts
It is north of the bridge, that’s all that matters. :)
Cool to see another yooper on here. Not too many of us out there.
stafford
yeah, i too am disappointed in the stafford pick. im not ready to start bashing management yet, because im waiting to see what becomes of the rest of the draft. i am less than “luke warm” with stafford, only for the simple reason that i felt that there were just too many other needs the team had to make a quarterback their number one choice. who knows, perhaps there will be a trade or something. im still anxious to see what happens with the rest of the draft.
Stafford
I dont know how it makes sense, I know people say quarterback is the most important position in the NFL but common, you have seen bum teams making decent runs, with good running games and good a good defense. So give me a break, why pay 80 million for this kid who is not going to do anything that matters until 2 or 3 years down the line. It is ridiculous to spend 12 mill on a kid who will not throw a meaningful pass for 2 seasons. For that money, u could probably add a QB in later rounds, i think around 6 mill covers you for 3 years, let him soak up the system, let him play in blowouts and u can better serve your team by building the running game and defense.
say hello to the 41 million dollar clipboard jockey
not happy with the pick, paying a kid hall of famer money (similar to what Payton Manning got in guaranteed money? ridiculous!) before he steps out on the field, especially in this economy, especially in Detroit of all places….it’s insulting.
that said, what does it say about us that we probably would have been ok with paying a linebacker “only” 30 million in guaranteed money?
Great points Sean
I’ve kind of stayed away from the computer since last night. I figured there would be too many posts to keep up with. I did not want Stafford, nor do I think he’s the right choice. That said, I’m still willing to support him when he puts on the Lions uniform. Before people judge this pick, or Mayhew for that matter, let the guy play. To all the Stafford supporters, don’t boast. The kid still has to prove himself. To all those that didn’t want Stafford, suck it up and hope for the best. As far as Mayhew, lay off for now. He’s still got 7 more picks to make. My only criticism of Mayhew is why all the posturing with Curry to bring down Stafford’s price and then give him that big of a contract anyway.
The average fan's opinion means diddly!
In regards to the article posted here, Lions management should not pay attention in the least to what the fans want since the fans on average have no conception of what is truly best for the organization.
The Eagles boo’d Donavan Mcnabb off the stage when he was drafted. The Falcons were avidly against Matt Ryan last year when he was drafted. The fans are idiots let me speak plainly. They are constipated when it comes to evaluating talent and choosing value. TEAMS DO NOT DRAFT LB’s #1 OVERALL!!!!! It does not happen for a reason.
There is not equal value at the two positions. I’m not mocking Aaron Curry. He looks like a special talent who may have the better career. But when all is said and done Stafford offers the most value. I’ll break it down in an example.
Drafting Curry is like betting $1 in the hopes of winning a $3 back. You are getting 2 to 1 on your money and let’s assume the likelihood that you win that bet ie. (Curry doesn’t bust) is 2 to 1 in your favor. So two out of three times you make the bet Curry becomes a stud and equates to a value increase on your money of 2 to 1.
Drafting Stafford is like betting $1 with a little less odds then w/Curry, say 1.5 to 1 that he busts, but in this case you don’t win a meager 2 to 1 on your money, you’ll win 10 to 1. Drafting Stafford will pay out $10 to your $1 investment compared to only a little less likely odds that he busts.
The risks are worth the possible rewards in this case. The bettor bet is on Stafford, QB and not Curry, LB. I hope that was not too confusing for you all. Enjoy the draft!!!!! GOOOO LIONS!!!!!!!
Interesting comments with the betting perspective
I agree that the Lion’s front office really needs to make the decision with the best interests of the Lions versus the fans. That sounds like a harsh comment to type, but it is true. Sometimes the fans are wrong, like with the McNabb situation you mentioned above. But then again, these are the Lions and history is not on their side. I guess there are a couple options… hate the pick and hate the Lions, hate the pick and still support the Lions or like the pick.
I have a feeling
That the majority of the super negative post on how the Lions are the worst franchise every and blow and people are going to quit being fans, are from people that joined today just to do that. While I haven’t been a member for that long I think there should of been the 24 hour waiting period to post that a lot of the other blogs have. Just my though cause Im sick of reading the idiotic messages with grammar errors and everything.
by Curse of Bobby Layne 50 Years Strong on Apr 25, 2009 2:30 PM EDT reply actions
I wish everyone could display there disappointment like you Sean
I was on during the ‘cold front’ of Stafford hate that hit the site yesterday and it was pretty crazy. I sorta expected it, Stafford isn’t terribly popular, but some of the stuff said was just plain idiotic. I think alot of us are a little unhappy, whether it be with the player or the money, or both, and it’s the whole point of this site to share our feelings with other Lions fans so I don’t mind seeing people who say they are unhappy, I would just rather that some did so with some finesse.
Go Lions!
2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).
Mayhew blinked
so much for thinking he was playing hardball with Condon. Condon showed Mayhew who’s in charge, and it’s clearly the agent.






























