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POD Community Mock Draft: Pick No. 1

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Rd. # Player Pos. College
1 1 Matthew Stafford QB Georgia
General Manager: DrewsLions

With the first pick of the 2009 Pride of Detroit Community Mock Draft, the Detroit Lions select Georgia quarterback Matthew Stafford.

Here is DrewsLions' reasoning for the pick:

On a team with needs everywhere, the top pick in the draft needs to mean something. It must be a player that is a cornerstone of your franchise. The pick needs to be safe, yet aggressive. It needs to add value, yet be worth the cost of the pick. I've always held the opinion that there must be a complete marriage of value versus need coupled with overall impact with respect to the top few picks in the draft. That belief reduces the overall field for the first pick to those players that impact the game enough to warrant the massive investment. Right now, there are two players that I feel meet all of those requirements: Matthew Stafford and Jason Smith. There are good, quality players beyond these two, but Stafford and Smith are the best of the two positions that the Lions both need and also are willing to still pay the contract based on overall impact. I have also held the opinion that if you do not have a good quarterback, you try and try again until you have a guy that turns you into a perennial contender. The Lions have been without this piece of the puzzle for thirty-plus years. That is far too long. The Harrington Hangover cannot keep us from making another attempt at finding a leader for our offense.

Matthew Stafford has done nothing to dissuade the Lions from selecting him. He has all of the tangible tools that a team needs in a great quarterback. The question is "what is he capable of between the earpads and how well will he translate to the pro game?" This is the biggest unknown with highly drafted quarterbacks. But this is a risk that the Lions must be willing to take. They will never be a perennial contender or win a Super Bowl - which everyone needs to remember is the ultimate goal - without a better than average quarterback. With Cutler off the market, the Lions must look to the draft for their next attempt at finding a star under center. Might as well take the best one with the highest pick.

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Slightly Predictable

I think most of us knew this would be the pick. The problem is, we can’t really evaluate the choice for another 3 or so years when he’s had his time on an NFL field. So, for now, I say this is a good pick.

2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).

by Hyperion Ecta on Apr 4, 2009 1:01 AM EDT reply actions  

I like the pick, and completely agree with the rationale behind it. Nice job.

So basically what Orwell was saying was, "it's not perfect, but I'll take it."

by Mogwai on Apr 4, 2009 1:58 AM EDT reply actions  

Can't believe...

…that a lot more of you guys are now drinking the Mel Kiper, Jr. juice. I feel like this is not the makings of a draft where a QB is worth #1 money. Too many questions, too many other holes for us to fill before the Lions can put a rookie at the helm.

Kiper has been wrong too many times about Stafford-like QBs (which, let’s face it, is why people are thinking Stafford will be #1…because Kiper has beaten it into our skulls). I think a Harrington Hangover is perfectly legitimate right now.

GO LIONS! RESTORE THE ROAR!

by Twon82 on Apr 4, 2009 4:25 AM EDT reply actions  

I have noticed that people are coming around to Stafford

The poll seems to indicate that.

One thing I will say is that DrewsLions has been on the Stafford bandwagon for as long as this was a debate.

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by Sean Yuille on Apr 4, 2009 4:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

That is what I was trying to get at the other day with my fanpost.

I am not sure where it happened. I don’t know if it was watching nfl network reporting, or listening to all of the interviews with Mayhew and Schwartz or if maybe it was just all of our discussions on here. I am leaning more towards the latter. I am definitely more comfortable with the Stafford pick now though.

It could be because I am less and less impressed with Jason Smith the farther along we go. I feel like he shouldn’t be a #1 overall when you look at possibly getting Andre Smith or Michael Oher at 20 who I believe are just as good. Monroe on the other hand I think has a better knowledge, skill set, and is more ready to start in the NFL. There just isn’t a #20 QB or even #33 QB that is good enough, and Sam Bradford or Tim Tebow are definitely not the answer in my book.

Basically Stafford is the best QB hands down. Sanchez is just too unproven. At least we know Stafford’s faults and seeing other cannon arm QB’s like him play, I am somewhat ok with his issues.

by MatthewDC on Apr 4, 2009 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

colt mccoy

goes pro next year. this past year he was the most accurate qb in the nation.

by beef99 on Apr 4, 2009 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

I hear his name quite a bit.

I haven’t done enough research on him to determine whether or not he is a #1 QB. I do know that many people are saying Sam Bradford will be the best QB to come out next year.

I know that I don’t think Tebow’s skill set will convert to the NFL as well as Stafford and Bradford. I also know that I analyzed play styles and clips of Bradford and Stafford when everyone thought Bradford was coming out this year.

Not up on Mccoy though so I won’t argue that one.

by MatthewDC on Apr 4, 2009 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

Stafford is better than Bradford.

I would argue this point to the end. Bradford is a system player… no question in my mind. And his system does not translate well to the NFL. Stafford played in a pro-style offense and is in the best position to translate his game to the NFL. That is the single biggest reason I am for taking Stafford.

The one big unknown is how well a QB moves from the college game to the pro game. This goes for every new QB in the league. If he can’t translate, skill will only get him so far. But match great tangibles with the ability to work within a pro system and you have a perenial contender. That’s what I think Stafford has. That’s why I would be willing to stick my neck out on this one if I was the Lions. I could be wrong, but we’ve gotta take a chance. Bradford will be a serviceable NFL quarterback because of his skillset. He’ll struggle to be great in the NFL, though.

by DrewsLions on Apr 4, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Right again

There is a lot of history of QBs from Run n Gun, Run n Shoot, Spread, etc. offences in college not repeating that success in the NFL. Go to http://walterfootball.com/nfldraftquarterbackbusts.php for an excellent review of QB busts by Matt McGuire.

by NorthLeft12 on Apr 4, 2009 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

I completely agree with you on that

When it was assumed Bradford was going pro, I was more afraid of him than I was of Stafford. Bradford barely gets hit in a game (3 times per game if I remember the stat correctly). And he is a system QB, without a doubt.

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by Sean Yuille on Apr 4, 2009 11:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Maybe but..

Stafford has had the most inconsistent season. He threw 2 picks to start the Capital Bowl against State who has an horrible defense. Stafford would just turn into another Harrington and the pick would be wasted. An OL can give them a player that they need to give our QBs time to throw. Then we can use the pick to get a future QB once our line is solidified

by StartStanton5 on Apr 5, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Stafford played on an inconsistent team...

and didn’t have the luxury of a good o-line. Hopefully, the Lions can put a better team around him than Georgia did.

As for his Bowl performance…. He did something characteristically un-Lion-like… he turned in on in the second half and led his team to a win. Usually, Lions QBs have a good first half, then throw 3 fourth quarter interceptions to lose the game.

by DrewsLions on Apr 5, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

it all starts with a great o line. seems we cant run or protect the passer with the group we have……..its time to build the line and then we can get a qb.

by gg72 on Apr 5, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

With McCoy...

a LOT can happen within a year. Remember, how solid Brady Quinn was to be the top QB taken? It happens every year. More time to play, more time for analysts to break down your flaws. McCoy is not a guarantee for anyone next year. And even if he is… you pass on Stafford for the highly unlikely scenario that you are in the right position to take McCoy next year? C’mon. That’s irresponsible at best. You can’t pass on what falls in your lap.

by DrewsLions on Apr 4, 2009 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hopefully he will not be at the helm until 2010

The Lions need to give him a chance to watch and learn for 2009. There is absolutely no need to rush him onto the field in 2009.

I expect to be writing this again in three weeks.

by NorthLeft12 on Apr 4, 2009 7:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would suspect so

2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).

by Hyperion Ecta on Apr 4, 2009 7:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

I would hope you're right.

I think my biggest rationale for being able to cope with Stafford #1 overall is the fact that he has one thing over all the quarterbacks coming out in 2010: He’ll be ready a year sooner. Even though next year may be a better rookie class, I don’t think I see any of them being impact starting quarterbacks right away. Maybe Bradford, but he needs to learn to read a defense first.

I would like to see Jason Smith in a Lions’ uniform much better, but I can deal with Stafford. I felt the same way a lot of people felt in January, if Stafford grades out as a #1 overall pick, then pick him. Right now (if it isn’t a bunch of propaganda to promote trade talks for the #1) it seems like the Lions have evaluated Stafford as worthy, so I have to stand by my thoughts in January.

Here’s hopin’!

by TennesseeYooper on Apr 4, 2009 7:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Actually, I say...

throw him to the wolves! I don’t think many young quarterbacks gain more experience from holding the clipboard versus actual game time. The Lions won’t win many games this year, so let him get some experience. If he is a good pick, he’ll show flashes even on a bad team. By the way, I don’t think the Lion’s offense will be all that bad this year. But think about guys like Aikman, Peyton Manning and Elway. All good quarterbacks that went to bad teams and all struggled at first, but the experience was invaluable and all went on to Super Bowl wins.

Again, you drafted him to play. I’d much rather watch Stafford struggle a bit and know he’s got the potential than to watch Culpepper win a game or two and not be building anything for the future. Forward-thinking is a must with this team!

by DrewsLions on Apr 4, 2009 10:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

If Mel Kiper got on ESPN and stated '2+2=4'

would you run around burning math books?

I think Kiper is useless as much as the next guy, but Matt Stafford may very well be the correct pick.

Kiper’s reasoning is ridiculous (Lions must because I said so!!!), but Stafford is probably the correct pick if the Lions’ staff really think he has a decent chance of performing like Ryan, Roethlisberger, Cutler, McNabb, etc. and an outside chance of performing like Manning, Brady, Brees, etc.

by HoorayForEverything on Apr 4, 2009 8:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

I hope

I think, or hope, that he turns out like Cutler, in saying that I wouldn’t mind his first pass to turn out like Ryan’s, a 60 yard bomb to CJ, but I suppose we wouldn’t see a Defence as bad as ours for that to happen would we.

2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).

by Hyperion Ecta on Apr 4, 2009 8:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

It's not about Kiper's magic juice...

it’s about the need of a quarterback, plain and simple. We’ve gone too long plugging in journeyman veterans and late round wannabes and never contend for anything. Maybe Stafford busts. But maybe he becomes a very solid quarterback and puts Detroit back into contention. The fact is that we need to get a quarterback at some point… why not start by building around one?

by DrewsLions on Apr 4, 2009 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Now

if the Lions do draft this way, we get to sit back and watch stafford get pulverized by the opponents’ front seven

by beef99 on Apr 4, 2009 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

The Lions do have other draft picks, you know...

Just because we take Stafford at number one, doesn’t mean that the Lion’s draft is over. We can still get o-line talent this year… at later picks… because we have more than one pick. People get so obsessed with this top pick that we forget that. Even if we don’t, this isn’t a one year thing. We get a first round pick next year. Rebuilding is a marathon, not a sprint. Teams that try to sprint, don’t finish the race. Whether we draft one now or in two years, we eventually have to use one of these picks on a quarterback. So let’s use it now and let him take a few lumps this year. If he’s as good as expected, he’ll survive and be the better for it.

by DrewsLions on Apr 4, 2009 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

i want to wait

 ’til next year for the lions to draft Colt McCoy. this year build the oline and the defense

by beef99 on Apr 4, 2009 10:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

What's the guarantee...

that we are in a position to get any of the top quarterbacks next year? What is the guarantee that any of these guys have great senior seasons? I can tell you one thing… we are GUARANTEED to get Stafford if we want him. I like those odds a tad bit more than rolling the dice on a season that hasn’t happened yet.

by DrewsLions on Apr 4, 2009 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Well, it's not hard to trade up if you want to

think how desperate teams with the #1 overall are to trade down. If there’s a QB at the top we really want, we could make that happen.

by n4ry4 on Apr 6, 2009 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

AMEN Brother Drew!

Nice to hear that from someone else for a change. This talk of playoffs and challenging for the division in 2009 is nonsense. 2009 will be rough again, but I hope to see progress on the field, especially on the defensive side against the run.

Although Drew, I would prefer to see Stafford holding a clipboard for all of 2009.

by NorthLeft12 on Apr 4, 2009 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

You don't draft anyone in the first round...

to sit on the sidelines. Quarterbacks who became great were able to take the heat early in their careers. If he can’t hack it now, he can’t hack it. I’ve said this a million times, a great quarterback will show flashes of that greatness on a horrible team. A great quarterback will elevate the team around him.

I don’t expect Stafford to be great on day one, but I expect to see those flashes throughout the year. He’s mobile, too. Don’t worry about the naysayers who say he’ll get killed each week. Schwartz will keep him on the move and give him short 3-step drops and quick slants to work with. He doesn’t have to hold the ball as long as Kitna used to (which is the only reason he was sacked as many times as he was – okay the line was bad too, but he held the ball waaay too long). Play him on day one!

by DrewsLions on Apr 4, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm 50/50 on this one

I’ve been in the camp that says Stafford should sit 2009 and try to learn the playbook and perfect his mechanics but having him on the field might be a good thing for the franchise.

But we have got to expect certain things if he is to start-
1st- He won’t win us many games, no matter what we’re in for another poor season.

2nd- He will get sacked, alot. Our O-Line is a mess and even if we do expend a pick on an O-Lineman, it’s gonna be a 2nd or 3rd tier guy. He isn’t gonna have loads of time to make decisions. Not to mention the fact that since he’s a rookie he will make bad decisions often.

3rd- I expect him to throw a lot of picks. He is a gunslinger and his rookie decision-making plus his natural instincts to sometimes put the ball in tight spaces will lead to quite a few interceptions.

Now, if he can play throughout the season and deal with all the things he’s gonna have to deal with and still have self-confidence. Than we might have a player on our hands. If he doesn’t than I say we’d be back on the road deep into mediocrity.

2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).

by Hyperion Ecta on Apr 4, 2009 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

The expectations for a rookie QB, even one taken at the top, need to be reasonable. These look reasonable.

by DrewsLions on Apr 4, 2009 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

OL is more needed

Theres not going to be any descent OL with our other picks and it would be best to take a big lineman that can be effective rather than a QB that might be a bust. The safe pick helped the Dolphins win there conference!

by StartStanton5 on Apr 5, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why do think Stafford will be a bust?

C’mon, back up those statements with a little reasoning. Sure a tackle might help us a lot, but more than a quarterback? Doubtful. Unless you give me some good reasons why Stafford is a bust, I’m inclined to keep my own, well-formed, researched opinions.

by DrewsLions on Apr 5, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Most of us hate Kiper.

And we definitely don’t pay attention to or care what he says.

This is from our own analysis of Stafford’s clips that we can get from college, real reporting from people like Mayock and Schefter about his performance, and our own ideas about the other players which we are considering.

In the end, its Mayhew who will decide and his career is banking on this draft being a success. I think he will put in his due diligence. If after all is said and done, he and the coaches agree that Stafford is the guy, then I will trust them until they give me a reason not to.

by MatthewDC on Apr 4, 2009 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Just for the record...

my pick is not based on Kiper’s views. Maybe some of you remember the column I wrote about Kiper a few months ago. In short, I am not his biggest fan.

by DrewsLions on Apr 4, 2009 10:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, exactly.

For anyone on these boards to claim that we are making a decision based on Kiper is insane. He must not read all of our other posts haha.

by MatthewDC on Apr 4, 2009 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Kiper isn't very popular here

I can’t think of anyone here who is a Kiper fan.

2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).

by Hyperion Ecta on Apr 4, 2009 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Kiper is dirt

Kiper must have a secret relationship with Stafford because i see him insist on how highly rated Stafford is but i have to disagree. Stafford is so inconsistent on a championship caliber team and he blew it. He didnt even play good against MSUs terrible D. Kiper has a horrible mock draft but i think McShay knows what hes talking about.

by StartStanton5 on Apr 5, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

McShay??

He isn’t off the Stafford bandwagon either. He barely acknowledges that the Lions will go another way possibly. He might be better overall than Kiper, but he’s drinking the Stafford kool-aid and I don’t think that warrants credit right now. Stafford will need to prove himself BIG time if he is drafted #1.

GO LIONS! RESTORE THE ROAR!

by Twon82 on Apr 5, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

sanchez

I personally think sanchez will be a better QB although I would trade down to get him. I am concerned about his lack of experience though. I think stafford will be another average QB like the guy the raiders picked up number 1 two years ago. I would pick smith intead if we stayed at number 1. I am not even sure stafford can beat out culpepper.

by lions09 on Apr 4, 2009 9:21 AM EDT reply actions  

What is it about Sanchez that makes you rate...

him higher than Stafford. I haven’t seen anything that makes me think that Sanchez is the better QB. He’s got fewer starts. Weaker arm. Played in an offense that’s much less pro-style than Georgia’s. Maybe he is more accurate, but he had a much better team around him than Stafford. It’s hard to judge completely, but I think that Stafford is the better pick.

by DrewsLions on Apr 4, 2009 10:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

I am waiting to hear the reasoning as well.

The bottom line for me on Sanchez is that he has only played one year of college football. The fact that everyone concedes that he has a weaker arm [not weak though] clinches it.

by NorthLeft12 on Apr 4, 2009 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

I don't necessarily think Sanchez is better

But he has the ability to be. He has a ‘weaker’ arm and few starts but he is accurate, with great touch and nice intangibles. What you gotta remember is that Stafford had great talent around him also, Moreno, AJ Green and to a lesser extent, Massaquoi. He also had a more impressive pro-day than Stafford, although, that means little.

When it comes down to it, I think both will be at least serviceable so I’m not entirely fussed on which one we got. The thing that may clinch it for me is Stafford’s desire to play here.

2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).

by Hyperion Ecta on Apr 4, 2009 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Stafford #1 Now I don't get to here Kiper slam the Lions.

I was looking forward to hearing Mel Kiper Jr. telling the Lions how right he is and how wrong they are. Now I have to listen to I told you so. I still think Stafford isn’t first over-all
material and Georgia is far from being QBU. I’m hoping Schwartz remembers Vince Young as the #3 over-all riding the bench behind an aging veteran Collins. I bet VY was rated much higher than Stafford. I wouldn’t be surprised if the Titans drafted a developmental QB in the 5th Rnd. Oh yea the Titans just signed Patrick Ramsey the guy Stafford reminds me of. DrewsLions justifies the pick very well, I just don’t like Stafford.

by Runnin' Rebel on Apr 4, 2009 9:34 AM EDT reply actions  

You're comparing Vince Young to Matthew Stafford?

Apples to oranges… completely. Vince Young played in a completely different offense. The only similarity was the desire by the team drafting him to choose to build around that quarterback. Nothing else is the same. To think Schwartz will be tentative because of the Young pick is nonsense. He’s too smart for that.

The only question Schwartz should be asking himself is “can Matthew Stafford play and play well within the boundaries of the offense that I put on the field?” If the answer is yes, draft him. Schwartz and everyone in the country can tell that Stafford is not Vince Young… he’s better. Why? Let me explain…

There’s always a risk in taking a running QB that has had college success and played in non-pro style offense. The Titans knew this. They gambled and failed. Stafford is a MUCH safer pick than Young because is floor is higher. Young had that boom or bust potential… high ceiling, low floor. Needless to say, there were also indications that he didn’t have the mental capacity to handle a pro offense and the pressure that comes with it (see his wonderlic scores if you need proof). Stafford at worst, will be an average quarterback because of his physical skills and the offensive understanding he already has within the Georgia system. I highly doubt Stafford will fold like Vince Young did. Therefore, he is a better prospect. Make sense?

by DrewsLions on Apr 4, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Makes a lot of sense

I was hoping you’d slam my response. Way to back your pick ,Sean made a good choice selecting you as GM for the lions. hope I can return the slam when you pick 20 & 33 I’m anxious to see where your going to lead the Lions.

by Runnin' Rebel on Apr 4, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure I understand...

if you are waiting to slam my picks because you disagree that I should have been picking for the Lions or if you agree that I should be picking for the Lions and you want to slam me because I disagreed with you? I’m confused…

by DrewsLions on Apr 4, 2009 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't like the pick

but I will support it. Stafford is an NFL quality quarterback. Whether Detroit takes him or not, he’ll be drafted in the top ten easily, if not much sooner. Most folks in Lionsland want Curry (myself included), J Smith or Monroe. The Lions do need a franchise quarterback. Badly.

I know the Lions have not made wise decisions in the last several decades concerning the QB position. I have seen nothing so far from Martin Mayhew, and the rest of the Lions braintrust, that says he will make the same bad decisions. If the Lions believe, after serious review, that Stafford is the #1 pick, I will support that pick 100%. it’s called being a fan. I’ll have to give the guy a chance, at least 3-4 years before you can say he’s great or a bust.

Not my favorite selection but expected by the Lions (and DL, whose been a big Stafford guy since the beginning.)

As to the calls for folks being a Kiper lover…get a grip. Mel Kiper is a self-named draft guru. He does not, as far as I’m concerned, have the credentials or credibility to says who’s good or bad in the draft. All he does is be a jerk and slam people for not agreeing with him.

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by Jettero2112 on Apr 4, 2009 9:39 AM EDT reply actions  

I figured you would not like this pick, Jettero

And you probably expected it from me. But like I said, in the last few months, nothing has happened that takes me to any other conclusion than Stafford grading out as a top five player in the nation. And when you need a QB, you pull the trigger. I just can’t see giving a LB that big a contract. The value versus impact is just not there. They could take Maualuga at #20 and it would be a good defensive upgrade for a quarter of the cost. They can’t however, can’t get a good quarterback prospect at #20. I don’t wanna hear that Freeman is in the same league as Sanchez or Stafford, either. Not even close.

Anyway, I think the world of Curry… just not at number one!

by DrewsLions on Apr 4, 2009 10:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hey! Good to hear from you again! it's been a while.

While I may not like the pick, I really don’t think the Lions can go wrong selecting Stafford. I’ve watched a lot of video and read up quite a bit in the last few weeks on both Stafford and Sanchez (as well as Monroe, J Smith, Curry and anyone else I think the Lions might take). I think Stafford will be the better NFL QB and will be ok with the pick. I’m still in the Curry camp just not as strong as I once was. Monroe is starting to look better and better as a good choice as well.

Like you’ve said, though, the Lions are in desperate need of a franchise quarterback. There is no one other than Stafford or Sanchez who I would even consider taking in this draft unless it was a fill guy in the last round. Next year there are four possibilities (Tebow, McCoy, Bradford and Snead) at QB but I’m now starting to think Stafford is better than all of them. Snead or McCoy might be able to prove me wrong but there are no guarantees that any of them will step it up next season, not get hurt or not just totally bust. There are never any guarantees.

If they do select Stafford, they should play him from day one. Take a look at Peyton Manning and Troy Aikman. They both blew their first years, spent a lot of time starring at the sky, but turned it around and became elite quarterbacks. Stafford has that potential and if he can weather the storm the first year or so under center, he could also turn into that elite player everyone has been drooling for in Detroit the last several decades. The problem is will Schwartz play him at all year one. They’ll probably start Culpepper and let him play until he gets hurt or just doesn’t cut it. Stafford will probably then get in as starter over Stanton. If Culpepper gets on a roll, he may not get in at all. The best scenario would be for the Lions to cut Culpepper the day after they draft, sign another back-up and anoint Stafford the starter immediately.

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by Jettero2112 on Apr 4, 2009 10:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree completely with...

Stafford starting right away. In my mind, there’s no other way to do it. I do think that there’s not a very good chance of that happening, though. Most coaches are just apprehensive about starting a rookie QB. If affects their win/loss total as a coach. I also think they’ll go with Culpepper to start the season to try and get a few wins. My HOPE is that Stafford wins the starting role from Culpepper and is just a great quarterback period. That way, we all win.

by DrewsLions on Apr 4, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

Good write-up and reasoning

This is a debate Lions fans have had more than any other for the past six or eight months or so, so there’s really not much new to say. We’ll see in three weeks (can you believe it’s that soon? I thought the draft would never come…I’m like a kid waiting for Christmas)

by n4ry4 on Apr 4, 2009 9:41 AM EDT reply actions  

Good job

I like drafting Stafford this year and if he starts then he does if not then he gets a year of learning under his belt. I think that we can wait till next year to draft a stud LT, but I would definately take a guard this year. Backus can hold his own for one more year at LT. I think there are better LTs coming next year.

by hate2lovelions on Apr 4, 2009 9:52 AM EDT reply actions  

Completely agree!

People are obsessed with replacing Backus this year. I think that there are bigger needs (like QB) and that Backus is at least an average tackle. We need to replace the poor talent this year (like at QB) and work on replacing the average talent next year. Let’s focus on the massive hole at guard in this draft. I like a guy like Urbik in the 3rd round.

by DrewsLions on Apr 4, 2009 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was never on the stafford bandwagon until recently.

DrewsLion has the reasoning exactly right. You have to draft someone that fills a need, that is of a high enough quality to be #1 overall, AND they have to be in a position with enough impact to warrant it. While we all love curry, Smith , Monroe, or Stafford are all in high impact positions. Curry would be an improvement, but not as much as Stafford if he turns out to be as good as his potential.

The more I watch NFL network and the more I read about Stafford, he really does compare to cutler in a lot of ways. Many people at POD would have given up their first born for Cutler, but we may very well be getting the next cutler and only giving up the #1 pick. In my opinion that is worth the risk.

We can still get our OT and we can still build the D later on. We have a lot of early picks. I just don’t think the QBs next year are any better than Stafford and I don’t think that anyone else in this years draft will turn out to be better than Stafford. Plus this way he sits his year behind Culpepper, gets in the games a couple times, and is ready to start next year. I guess in the long run it will make us competitive at an earlier time. QB should be given at least 1 year to develop. Most defensive players can start as a Rookie and make an impact. So we are respectable in 2 years instead of 3 or 4.

by MatthewDC on Apr 4, 2009 10:02 AM EDT reply actions  

thats the problem

IF he turns out as good as his potential, IF he doesnt get killed by NFL defenses, IF he isn’t the next Joey Harrington. Too many questions

by beef99 on Apr 4, 2009 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions  

Those same questions apply to any draft pick.

The exact same questions were asked of Matt Ryan, of Vince Young, of Jay Cutler, and Brady Quinn.

There is no way to be sure. We have to have a QB at some point. No QB in the last 5 years has been a certainty.

Everyone thought Vince Young and Matt Leinart were the future of the league and neither one is starting.

by MatthewDC on Apr 4, 2009 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

Welcome aboard!

I’ve been on the quarterback bandwagon for a long time. Not necessarily the Stafford bandwagon, but the reasoning that we will never be consistent winners without a good quarterback. I just can’t understand the thought process of constantly waiting to put a highly drafted quarterback on our roster. It just doesn’t make sense to me.

by DrewsLions on Apr 4, 2009 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions  

This thing is rigged

Apparently even the Lions fans want the Lions to continue sucking.

Just kidding. If it happens I’ll grudgingly accept it. Because I won’t have a choice.

by WBL on Apr 4, 2009 10:45 AM EDT reply actions  

Curry. Monroe. Raji. Smith.

In that order.

Our defense can’t stop anyone and can’t tackle. We have a QB. Not a great one, but a serviceable one. We have 0 MLBs who are worth playing time. We need to fill out the LB core. Peterson is a short term fix to a long term problem.

Stafford has never really impressed me. Sanchez actually impresses me more.

by WBL on Apr 4, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fair enough

I like all of those players. But not Curry or Raji at number one. Not enough value for the contract they will receive.

by DrewsLions on Apr 4, 2009 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

It seems like everyone that is commenting is agreeing with me...

but the poll shows otherwise. C’mon naysayers… what is your argument against taking Stafford? You’re not being very vocal!

by DrewsLions on Apr 4, 2009 11:41 AM EDT reply actions  

okay, just a few points I guess...

1. We need a reliable run game and upgraded pass-protection. Backus is declining and getting older…barely serviceable today maybe, but not long-term. Jason Smith or Eugene Monroe will be a cornerstone of our team for a decade and make any QB and RB better.

Aaron Curry would do the same for our defense.

2. Culpepper has a full, healthy offseason with the team (something he hasn’t had in a long time). He’ll be way better than the ex-retired overweight guy he was last fall. He can be our game manager for a couple years while we fix the rest of the team. Add Jason Smith for pass-protection and Culpepper will be even better.

3. Stanton deserves a shot. When you spend a 2nd-rounder on a guy, you give him a chance in year 3 instead of just giving up on him. He’s still a tall, mobile, young QB with a strong arm and 2 years with the team. We don’t need to spend any draft picks on a young QB because we already have one.

4. If we draft a QB, we need to spend another pick on a lineman right away to protect him to avoid David Carr Syndrome—the young #1 overall QB who never gets a chance because he’s on his back all the time. This may not be a great draft to get an OT at #20 or #33—the elite guys will be gone by then and the second-tier tackles will be off the board. We lose the opportunity to fix our defense as much as we’d like because we have to spend so many picks on offense.

5. Don’t spend a #1 pick on a guy you don’t know you need.

Culpepper may have a few years of good play left IF we can keep him upright behind a good O-Line, not playing from behind because the defense is really bad.

Stanton may be a good QB who was stuck in a terrible situation—we won’t know unless he gets real playing time behind a good O-Line, not playing from behind because the defense is really bad.

just a few thoughts that I know have been said before.

by n4ry4 on Apr 4, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good points

I agree that a solid LT would also be a cornerstone of the team. I think I alluded to that in my original pick reasoning. What I’m not sure about is putting faith in the idea that either Stanton or Culpepper can play and play well for the Lions long term. I have more faith that Stafford has the potential to be a better long term solution than the other two.

What happens if the Lion in fact pass on Stafford and Culpepper is plays as well as he played in Miami and Oakland. What if they replace him with Stanton and he is, like all the coaches have said, not ready to be a starter in this league. What do you do? You are left in the same boat we were in last year. I’ll hedge my bet on the idea that neither Culpepper or Stanton are not the solution.

by DrewsLions on Apr 4, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yea but thats a endless argument

What happens if the lions draft Stafford and you play him too fast and he isn’t ready start so he gets killed and the coaches have to pull him so save face then rebuild the kid back up. " But what happens if he plays and does great" this could to on and on and on. You both make good points, but Drew you have to understand why so many people are nervus about taking Stafford.

by Carl Brutananadilewski on Apr 4, 2009 5:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Carl, I'm a little nervous about Stafford...

but that’s not enough to keep me from pulling the trigger on him. That’s the same argument for every player at the top of the draft, it’s just that with the QB position, everything is amplified. There is no consensus, no-fail type of player in this draft. What you do is take the best player that meets need and gives value for the pick. Nerves come with the pick. No one at the top of this draft is bust-proof. Damned if you do… right?

by DrewsLions on Apr 4, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't disagree with your pick at all

And your be dammed for having the gull to stand out and say to take Stafford at #1.

by Carl Brutananadilewski on Apr 4, 2009 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wake Up America!!

Listen I know how exciting some of you get when you think you have a shot at a “matt ryan” or a “joe flacco” with the No. 1 pick but COME ON!!! Anyone who wants Stafford with the No. 1 pick when you knowingly know we have bigger holes on our team, is just as smart as Millen. OUR DEFENSE IS DEPLETED because matt millen picked a “matt stafford” every 1st round. I thought us Detroit Lions fans wanted a change of culture in Dtown? Well then pick an OT or Defense Defense Defense. Tom Brady was a 7thish round pick… He had a very good Offensive line and a steller defense. Do you think Tom Brady would be Tom Brady if he didnt have those other pieces?? How many times was Peyton Manning great but his defense couldnt stop the run and would loose games 38-34? You can win without a QB but you cant win without an Oline or Defense. Now listen I want a QB too but I know if we improve the environment for a new top money QB, he will be a lot more effective and cost efficient when hes not laying on his back every snap and not trying to score 35 points a game. remember a couople years ago when we went 7-9 and Kitna was just slinging balls and we scored a lot of points but… NO DEFENSE!! Where were you guys that want stafford that season??!! Hey I wanted to spend all my tax returns on beer and candy but I knew that I should invest it instead. (thats my sad attempt at my own analogy) DONT BE A MATT MILLEN WANNABE LIONS FANS!! just say ‘NO’ to stafford! Im starting to think the high school kids who dont know business yet are the ones wanting stafford cause it makes no sense to draft him and set him up for disaster. We build or core and if Stanton n Culpepper are a bust this season, THEN we draft a QB. Patience is a virtue

by I3usdriver on Apr 4, 2009 11:58 AM EDT reply actions  

Wow... where do I start on this one?

First, our defense is depleted. But which defender are you going to give $40MM guaranteed to? Curry? What, when you can get a middle linebacker like Maualuga at #20? You can’t be foolish with money. Like I said in my reasoning for the pick, value has to meet impact with the top pick.

Second, if we are waiting to find a quarterback in late rounds like NE did with Brady, the Detroit Lions will NEVER win a Super Bowl. Hear that… NEVER. It just doesn’t happen. We have a chance to take the best quarterback in the draft this year. That gives us a BETTER chance in succeeding with getting a good quarterback.

Third, do you think that if we draft every player this year on defense, that we will win more than six games? Heck no. This is going to take two or three years to build. Why not get your QB, build around him, give him time to learn the system and put the pieces together over time? We don’t know if we’ll ever be in the right place, right time to get the best quarterback again.

Lastly, let’s put the Millenisms to rest. If Mayhew takes Stafford it doesn’t make him Matt Millen. If Stafford is the real deal and takes us to a championship in 2011, no one will be jeering this pick. There is no way that you can simply say, “if you take Stafford, it’s Matt Millen all over again”. That’s just a cop-out and a easier way of saying “I really don’t have a better point or argument to make”. Remember, and pay attention because this is VERY IMPORTANT… we have more than one draft pick! We can get great defensive help with the #20 and #33 pick. Honestly, why does everyone feel that if we don’t use the number pick on defense, we have no chance of upgrading this defense at all? Makes no sense!

Anyway, not attacking you, just your analysis of the pick.

by DrewsLions on Apr 4, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jeez Drew, Hasselbeck, Warner, Delhomme, Brad Johnson, Steve Young, would be surprised to hear that.

Drew, I think everyone appreciates that waiting to find a starting QB in the late rounds is not really a good strategy. But as the above list attests it is more than possible. Many QBs have been selected in the fourth round and later and have had very good careers in the NFL.

Please don’t say NEVER.

by NorthLeft12 on Apr 4, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I did a post several months ago...

that looked at how many good quarterbacks came from rounds 2-7 versus first round selections and the odds are overwhelmingly stacked against those teams. Yes, these are a few that found success, but all of the ones listed above found that success later in their careers and all with other teams. To add to my point, look at the last four Super Bowl winners… all first round picks, with two being the top overall picks. Guys like Brady and Warner are in a minority so small, holding out for one of those opportunities is like winning the lottery and not a good gameplan. As for teams winning with Brad Johnson and Dilfer… two of the best defenses in NFL history behind those quarterbacks. Sorry, never is a strong word, but the odds are pretty slim.

Not to be a stickler, but Steve Young was a first round pick for the USFL.

Sorry if I seem a bit testy here, but I just hate the Tom Brady argument.

by DrewsLions on Apr 4, 2009 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Super Bowl Argument

Pretty sure that the Pittsburgh and NY Giants Defense had more to do with the Super Bowl wins than Big Ben or Manning. Ben and Eli are considered average to slightly above average QB’s not even close to elite. It’s the D that won those championships not the QB’s. Actually out of the last 10 Super Bowls I think you could say that only one 1st Round, Elite QB has won and that was Peyton Manning.

I think Stafford falls in the Eli category. Probably average to slightly above but with the D that the Lions have, he will not lead them to success.

by gotothejoe on Apr 4, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Okay...

but all of those teams are perennial winners that has as much to do with those quarterbacks as anything else. What will happen to the Colts if Manning goes down and Sorgi is your guy? What about Ben in Pitt? Batch gonna get them back to a Super Bowl? How about David Carr in New York?

My point about getting a solid quarterback is that it sets you up for a playoff run each year. Without one, its hit and miss at best. I completely agree with you that you need a good defense… and we will work to get there. But you can’t go worst to first in a year on defense. They will get some good additions this year and over the next few years and slowly build that defense up. End of the day, though… you gotta get a quarterback.

Oh yeah, I would take Eli Manning. If Stafford becomes Eli… I am perfectly fine with that. It’s better than what the Lions have had in 30 years.

by DrewsLions on Apr 4, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

My original issue with a QB at #1...

I kept hearing that Detroit MUST draft a Left Tackle at #20 if they take Stafford first or else it is a wasted pick. It bothered me that we would then use our top two picks on offence before turning to the defence.
That is why I strongly supported getting an LT at #1 this year, then get a QB in 2010.

I have since come around. The OLine needs help, but it is not critical to get an LT this year. Also, most importantly, this MillenWreck cannot be fixed in one draft, or with one great trade.

by NorthLeft12 on Apr 4, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

I won’t be happy if we take an OT with #20, unless it’s Oher. If we reach on Beatty, Loadholt or Britton It will be a bad move. Sure, they may be good players, but our defence needs IMMEDIATE help. Expending a valuable pick on someone who may or may not play this year is idiotic.

2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).

by Hyperion Ecta on Apr 4, 2009 6:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Where do I start....

Drews…Just what has Stafford accomplished that makes you think he is an impact player? He wasn’t a Heisman Finalist…..he wasn’t a Davey O’Brien finalist….he wasn’t even considered the best QB in his conference….he isn’t considered the consensus best QB in this draft class. Do you really want to hang the future of the Lions franchise on this guy? Guys that need to sit on the bench to learn are not the #1 pick. There are a handful of 4 year QB’s coming out next year that will be just as advanced as Stafford.

You are saying you can get Maualuga at #20? What if he isn’t there? Denver has the #18 pick and could easily get him there after his good pro day. So then do you go to the next best? What if he is gone (remember no one thought Mayo would be off the board last year)? Then you are down to picking a developmental, 2 down MLB ahead of where you normally would (can you say Dizon) because that is your biggest need.

I will argue that LB is the biggest impact position on the defense. This is evidenced by the last 6 Defensive Rookie of the Years being LB’s and 8 out of the last 9. Biggest impact + Biggest need + consensus best player = Aaron Curry. Stafford makes no impact sitting on the bench.

Your pick makes a lot of assumptions like players being around later in the draft or that you have to pick a QB in the 1st round to succeed. You can’t take the Brady situation out as a once in a lifetime because the losing QB in the Super Bowl this year wasn’t even drafted. Sure the chances are slim but you cannot say NEVER. Your QB can come from free agency or even a trade, not just the 1st round of a draft. The Lions have tried every one of these approaches and none have worked so far.

by gotothejoe on Apr 4, 2009 12:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good comments

No, Stafford wasn’t a Heisman finalist. But you don’t want to stake the core of your rebuttal based on the NFL’s history of Heisman quarterbacks do you? Think Eric Crouch and Ty Detmer. The Heisman means absolutely nothing in translation to the NFL. Mainly, it’s won by players on good teams that run college-based offenses.

The reason that Stafford is the best prospect has nothing to do with his ranking among collegiate statistics. It has everything to do with playing in a pro-style offense coupled with his physical gifts that makes him the most prepared quarterback to step in and handle an NFL team. That’s it.

Now you make some great points about defense and specifically, the MLB position. I have made some assumption about Maualuga, but my point is more general in nature. My point is that there will be a good player at both #20 and #33 because the Lions have needs everywhere. If not a MLB, then a DT or CB or LT, etc. There are too many holes to fill in one draft. If we don’t come away with MLB, we’ll get him next year. If we don’t get a CB, we’ll get him next year. If we don’t get a… get my point?

Also, I’ll stop using the word NEVER. It’s not fair for me to use it and it’s one of my pet peeves anyway… people talking in absolutes. Sorry for using it.

by DrewsLions on Apr 4, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

That’s why I also mentioned the Davey O’Brien award, the SEC, and not being a consensus #1 QB in this draft.

Pro style offense is as overrated as degrading someone for being a system QB. Basically a pro style player is being able to make a 5 or 7 step drop. The college game is coming into the pro game more and more every year so the pro style offense isn’t as big of a deal. Look at Peyton Manning, he sits in what would be considered a college system (shotgun) more time than a pro style. There is just no true NFL system in college.

So with what you said about MLB above, if we don’t get a MLB right away but get a good DT or CB instead….who is going to play MLB this year? Find one on the roster for me. And the same theory goes with the QB, we can get him next year. At least next year there will be more than 2 options.

by gotothejoe on Apr 4, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, we may have to...

agree to disagree on some of these points. I completely disagree with the point that familiarity of an NFL system does not help a collegiate prospect succeed. The most important and difficult determination when scouting a quarterback for the NFL is how well that player will translate his game to the NFL. You just don’t know. You can test speed, arm strength, all of those other intangibles. It’s the intangibles like football I.Q., heart, readiness, leadership that are much harder to judge. To me Stafford is the most pro ready.

As for the linebacker, I don’t have a good answer as to who will start at MLB. It’s a big hole, no doubt. But no bigger than the one at quarterback. I think it is more than a fair comparison to say that Daunte Culpepper equals Jordon Dizon. You’re not sure what either is capable of and both are huge question marks. If Dizon stays in the middle, they have the whole offseason to work with him, just like Culpepper. Neither to me is a good solution, but we will never fill all the holes in one offseason. I’m just not willing to wait on a potential QB next year, when Stafford is in our lap and is more than comparable to Bradford or McCoy next year.

by DrewsLions on Apr 4, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

Culpepper>Dizon

Culpepper has proven he can play at this level, I don’t think you can say that about Dizon. Culpepper is our current starter. If we don’t draft a LB, Dizon won’t start at MLB next year. So I don’t think it’s a fair comparison.

But, we will take a MLB this year. It could be Maualuga, Lauraniatis, McKillop, McRath or Ellerbe. There is options so I’m not to worried about. Both holes should be filled.

2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).

by Hyperion Ecta on Apr 4, 2009 7:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, but...

Culpepper hasn’t shown he can play since 2004. His potential is bottoming out, where Dizon still has upside. Who do you think starts at MLB if we don’t draft one?

by DrewsLions on Apr 4, 2009 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

2004 is a long time..

But he showed small flashes last year and has proven he can play at this level. Dizon however has only small amounts of upside. We can’t really see what Culpepper is capable of until he has had some solid time uninjured. I’m not saying he is our savior or that he will be starter for much of this year, but he will have a major chance of starting. Dizon won’t.

Now, if we don’t draft MLB, I don’t know who will start. Darnell Bing?, Cody Spencer?. If we don’t have a rookie middle linebacker from this draft class I will be livid and seriously doubt Mayhew and Schwartz.

2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).

by Hyperion Ecta on Apr 4, 2009 7:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I would think...

that Dizon is much, much more talented than Bing or Spencer. He was a second round pick for crying out loud. You really think he’s that big of a bust? I mean he was injured for most of last year and then was a special teamer, but he was a solid prospect coming out of school last year. Granted, the Lions took him a tad too high and he’s a bit on the small side, but if the Lions don’t make any moves… he should be first in line to start. I’m shocked that you don’t think so. Well, not shocked, but intrigued at the very least.

by DrewsLions on Apr 4, 2009 8:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

He's a back up OLB at best now

He’s got OK instincts and can tackle but is much too small to man the middle. We have to guys who can cover and blitz, we need somone who can stop the run. Dizon just doesn’t seem to fill that. It’s moot anyway because we must draft a MLB in the draft.

2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).

by Hyperion Ecta on Apr 4, 2009 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, you're probably right.

If they don’t nail a guy in the better rounds of the draft, though – look for them to move Dizon back there and give him a shot. They could still bring in a has-been free agent, too.

by DrewsLions on Apr 4, 2009 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree completely.

with everything you said. Especially with the assumption that Maluagaixre will be there at 20. Denver now has two picks in the top 20. Their biggest need is D (and QB of course), specifically LB. So my guess is that unless Curry falls to 12 (doubtful) then with one of those picks, Denver will take Rey M.

by WBL on Apr 4, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hello drewslions

Over the last couple of weeks I’ve switched my view and like Stafford, my reccent switch was for a few reason main one is being Danny-O signed with the texans and I can’t stand the thought of Culpepper being given the job, I do disagree with you on starting Stafford right away, I’d prefer to take the Giants approach they did with Eli and sit him till the seasons a waste or till week 8 then let him start the rest of the year. Maybe I’m gun shy from the Joey H days but I think sitting the first 4 to 8 games would bennfit him.

by msivits on Apr 4, 2009 12:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Disagree with Stafford

While I think that Stafford is a decent player, the #1 overall pick in the draft needs to be an impact player from Day 1. Even Kiper acknowledges that Stafford needs to sit for a season before being able to contribute. That is not a player worthy of the #1 pick. The Lions have Culpepper, who was hand picked by Mayhew to be his QB. They also have an unknown with Stanton. Why draft a QB #1 to sit on the bench?

Also the Lions have Backus and Cherilus at T so there is not a pressing need there. People get on Backus but in reality he is a serviceable LT. Not elite, but certainly not horrible.

Now count up the number of players who can play MLB on the team. You’ll come up with a total of zero. That is called a need. The theory that the Lions can wait until #20 to address this need is flawed because you cannot control what happens before that pick happens. The Lions have targeted a MLB in the past two drafts and have come away with Jordan Dizon who is now considered an OLB. You simply can not count on Lauranitis or Maualuga being there.

So when the concensus #1 player in the draft meets the Lions #1 need, how can you pass up that player……Aaron Curry.

by gotothejoe on Apr 4, 2009 12:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Kiper said he needs to sit.... oh, okay... he must need to sit then.

When your rebuttal starts with the wise words from “The Hair”, I’m not sure I can take those comments with much worth. I get your point, but I wouldn’t draft Stafford to sit. I’d draft him to play. I like Curry… I actually like him very much, just not at number one. At number five… absolutely. As much as we all hate it, money is a factor in the decision. Once again for everyone who missed it… value must meet impact with these high picks. You simply can’t give a LB $40MM dollars.

by DrewsLions on Apr 4, 2009 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I mentioned Kiper because he is Stafford’s biggest fan. Not because I put any stock into what he says.

The #1 pick is not going to get 40MM so I am not sure why you keep mentioning that. The only person that could get 40MM would be a QB. Jake Long went #1 last year and got about 30MM and that was far less than Ryan at #3 so to say that Curry would get the same contract as Stafford or Sanchez is making another assumption which I think is completely wrong.

There’s no position that has more impact than MLB and it just happens to be the biggest need. You are about the only person that has said you think Stafford should play from the beginning. Mayhew picked Culpepper and Culpepper is working hard. To me that says he will be the starter no matter who is drafted. So once again, drafting a person who will be sitting on the bench and will cost more than Curry doesn’t seem like good value or impact.

by gotothejoe on Apr 4, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm generalizing with the salary...

but my point is the same: you can’t justify giving that to a LB. Everyone wants to act like the cap doesn’t exist, but it does and the Lions will take that into consideration. I’ve said before, I love Aaron Curry. Just not with the first overall pick. His overall impact won’t match his salary. People always complain about the Lions over-paying for players in free agency. This is no different.

I think you’ve got some great opinions here, I just disagree that you can simply take any position at the top. Teams just don’t take LBs with the first pick and I don’t think the Lions will either.

by DrewsLions on Apr 4, 2009 1:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Why can’t you justify that giving #1 money to a MLB? If he will have the most impact and fill the biggest need, who cares if he gets 7MM more than the #5 pick (which you said you would take him there). Contracts are usually 5 or 6 years so that is $1.4MM a year? That is nothing. You wouldn’t pay that extra money to fill your biggest need with the best player?

I just think that can’t just go with what other teams have done in the past as your blueprint. If the best player fills your biggest need, you pick that player regardless of if it’s #1 overall and other teams don’t draft LB’s first.

by gotothejoe on Apr 4, 2009 1:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Okay, one more time...

then you and I will put this to rest and just agree to disagree. First, you are implying that Curry is the best player in the draft. There is no consensus on that. He’s been considered the “safest” pick – in my mind, this means that he has a high floor and should be a good player. But safest doesn’t necessarily mean best. In this year’s draft, there is no Reggie Bush or Michael Vick – someone coming out of college that teams are willing to trade up for. This year, that player doesn’t exist. Curry is NOT a consensus best player. If anything, it might just be Eugene Monroe. If Curry was that type of guy, maybe you think about him at that spot. If he’s that special, maybe he’s worth the contract. But we’re not sure he is – and if you’re not sure, that means he’s not a consensus guy. In my world, Monroe, Smith, Curry and Stafford are all great choices. But quarterback trumps everything if you don’t have one.

The other blatant factor is the Lions NEED a quarterback. It’s not like we have this other great option and we’re just taking a quarterback to add to our stable. It’s just not the case. Truth be told… we have no idea what Culpepper is going to do. Legitimately, he could tank… hard. Then what? Oh well, let’s try in 2010. Wrong. Stafford’s there now and just as good a prospect as Curry. Take him.

by DrewsLions on Apr 4, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not my opinion

drews…Unlike your comments which are based mostly on your opinion and hopes, my stating Curry is the consensus #1 player is backed up through Scouts Inc, Mayock, and Kiper. The Big 3 of the draft world. If you can find one place that rates Stafford as the top PLAYER in the draft, not first pick, I’d love for you to post that link.

I am not thrilled with Culpepper as my QB this year and I don’t think Stafford will be a bust but he is not the NEED of this team. The Lions do not need anybody at #1 who needs to sit on the bench and learn to become a viable and productive player. I know your plan is he starts from day 1 but that is not what anybody else is saying. I have not heard one person who says that Curry cannot step in and start from day 1..including Martin Mayhew who said that just about 2 weeks ago.

by gotothejoe on Apr 4, 2009 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

So you're saying that this information...

that you are so strongly defending is not your opinion of these players, but the opinions of Kiper and Co.? When was the last time these clowns got a draft right? Why don’t Kiper and McShay work for an NFL franchise if they are so smart. I thought that these were your own ideas about who you think are the best players. I didn’t realize you were cutting and pasting from the Scouts, Inc. website.

Of course these are my opinions and best guesses. That’s what this mock is supposed to be about – who I think is the best pick based on MY OWN research. It’s anyone’s guess who is a boom and who is a bust. Aaron Curry could be a complete bust in the NFL… neither you or me or even the glorious Mel Kiper can say for sure that he won’t. I disagree wholeheartedly that Curry is the consensus best player… even if the dudes at Scouts, Inc have serious man-crushes on the guy. They’ve been wrong many, many times before.

I have to admit, that this is a fun argument… although a tad frustrating that you won’t concede my point of view as at least acceptable.

by DrewsLions on Apr 4, 2009 6:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

My 2 cents

When it comes down to it the argument is about what will most likely happen to what should happen. Stafford will most likely get picked, while Curry should be. I don’t think either you Drew or Gotothejoe are wrong. Personally, I don’t like the fact that QB, LT & DE are the only players that can be picked at #1 but that’s just what happens.

In the end, we are all making guesses here and no one will be right for quite a while yet.

2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).

by Hyperion Ecta on Apr 4, 2009 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks for that Hyperion

Very good point. I agree that Curry would be a good, maybe a great pick – just not at number one. Everyone hates the fact that the top of the draft is stacked monetarily for certain positions, but it’s reality. That is the crux of my point. Because of cost, value, impact and everything else I’ve mentioned, quarterback need trumps the need of other positions and the value leans to drafting a quarterback when all things are equal. Just a personal view that people seem to have a problem with, I guess. But I think it’s a realistic approach… and in most cases, works well for most teams.

by DrewsLions on Apr 4, 2009 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Come on..

If I was going off of what Kiper, Mayock, and McShay think, I would be all over Stafford then, wouldn’t I? I am simply backing up the statement I made about Curry because you said he wasn’t the consensus #1 pick.

I wasn’t even going to post up any of this but I thought you came across as a little arrogant when you said “but the poll shows otherwise. C’mon naysayers… what is your argument against taking Stafford? You’re not being very vocal!”. So I am giving you the argument against Stafford. I don’t know any more than anybody else but I know the Lions have 2 serviceable QB’s (former MVP) on the roster and no MLB and the last I checked a MLB was pretty important.

Actually I have said a couple times I have nothing against Stafford…he’s just not the player the Lions need. In the end, this is just a community mock draft and you can pick who you want but saying Stafford is the pick because he is a QB and they always get the money with the #1 pick is just foolish. I’ll say again, Stafford gives no value holding a clipboard which he will do.

by gotothejoe on Apr 4, 2009 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

Didn't mean to come across arrogant...

that’s not me or what I meant at all. I want people to challenge my opinion. That’s what is so great about this website. People are opinionated and vocal. I was just giving a little ammunition to get the debate moving along. Worked, didn’t it?

Look, I do respect your opinion and agree with some of your comments. But the reason I took Stafford was not just because he is a quarterback and they always get the money. That’s part of it, true. But I think over all of my numerous comments, I’ve made it clear that I think that Stafford is one of the top five talents in the draft. That being said, I would rather have a QB than a LB all things being equal – which right now, I think Stafford and Curry are pretty equal talents.

Funny thing about my pick is that I don’t feel foolish :) Some of these comments are to egg you guys on a little bit. Makes things interesting.

One last thing… if Stafford holds a clipboard in ’09, plays well in ’10, then takes us to the playoffs and makes the pro bowl in ’11… is there no value in that pick still?

by DrewsLions on Apr 4, 2009 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

That is what I want to see.

I am a convert to taking Stafford precisely for a lot of the reasons that you have thoughtfully put forward Drew.

Bottom Line: We need a very good QB. Stafford is our best shot. Lets have some balls and do the right thing.

by NorthLeft12 on Apr 5, 2009 8:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

Draft Countdown

Scott Wright has Stafford as his number one prospect, but he has a bit of a man-crush on the guy. Curry is his #2.

2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).

by Hyperion Ecta on Apr 4, 2009 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agree to disagree

A QB might trump any other need but you cant have a good QB with a horibble OL and be successful but you can take a good OL and make a descent QB be successful.

by StartStanton5 on Apr 5, 2009 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Funny...

you seem to be another one of these guys who continues to forget that we have more than one draft pick. If we don’t get a tackle at pick 1.a., all hope is lost for our o-line, right? We also have a first round pick (probably another high one) in next year’s draft, too. Think marathon, not sprint with rebuilding the Lions.

Tunnel vision is tough to lose. I think if you sit back… concentrate on opening your mind a little, you might come to see that the idea of taking a quarterback makes a lot of long-term sense.

by DrewsLions on Apr 5, 2009 2:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Disagree

I completely disagree..especially in the case of the Lions. Look at the number of OL that have been successful compared to QB. If stafford is drafted and has no protection hes screwed. Same thing happened with Harrington..best QB coming out of college and now his career is messed up because of poor seasons with the Lions. The Lions OL hasnt gotten any better and QB keep getting worse and will continue to get bad till the OL gets upgraded so that should be main priority

by StartStanton5 on Apr 5, 2009 11:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hope every 'GM' is not asked to defend their pick like this!

Yikes! I am going to start preparing my arguments now as I pick on Friday.

by NorthLeft12 on Apr 4, 2009 2:12 PM EDT reply actions  

I think we'll be OK...

People get riled up over the Lions, and rightly so.

2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).

by Hyperion Ecta on Apr 4, 2009 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I don't think that everyone will be as...

passionate about the other teams. Lucky me! (I say that in a good way… I love the challenge of defending the pick)

by DrewsLions on Apr 4, 2009 7:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

All being said...

I doubt the Lions will choose Curry….I think they will go with the hope and pray theory that Maualuga will be there at 20 but of course, he will probably be gone and we will be stuck with another gaping hole in the middle for the third straight year (welcome back Paris!)

Good debate Drew…I hope you are wrong in your thoughts though.

by gotothejoe on Apr 4, 2009 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Oh, c'mon gotothejoe.... why would you want me to be wrong?

If I’m right, Detroit just got themselves a pro bowl-caliber quarterback. Why would you want Stafford to fail… so you can say “I told you so”?

Also, why is it a hope and pray theory if they don’t take Curry? It’s so funny that you use that terminology, like if they don’t draft Curry, that’s it for options at linebacker. It’s all over until 2010. Maualuga is not even the only MLB that could be available at #20 or #33. There is a good chance that both Laurinaitis and Jasper Brinkley could be there at #20 and either McKillop or Holtzclaw at #33. There are other options aside from Curry.

End of the day, I just want Detroit to draft quality players at the right price at the right positions. No busts. And PLEASE don’t tell me Stafford is a bust before the guy even takes a snap. That’s sooooo Mel Kiperish! (Couldn’t resist that last one!)

Good debating with you!

by DrewsLions on Apr 4, 2009 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Never said...

that I wanted Stafford to fail if he is the pick….never once.

The hope and pray comment is because that is what Detroit does every year. Last year they didn’t address MLB in Free Agency because they hoped and prayed Mayo would be there. Gone. Then they went to plan B and hoped for Lofton to be there in the second round. Gone. So what do they do?…panic. Pick a MLB so they don’t get shut out. Dizon.

Stafford is a luxury, IMO, Culpepper and Stanton can take the Lions the same place as Stafford can next year because Stafford will be on the bench more than likely. Curry comes in day 1 and makes the Lions a better team right away. You cannot say that about Stafford. That is my opposition to the pick.

As for the price…I don’t care about the price. Next year is going to be uncapped so it doesn’t hurt if you pay the guy 15MM a year or 5MM.

As for the LB’s you mentioned. Lauranatis would be great but if he is gone (the hope and pray again) then the other names you mention are ranked by Scouts Inc as a 64 for Brinkley, 56 for McKillop, and a 30 for Holtzclaw. Not exactly who I want as the QB of my defense. Oh, Curry is a 97. Just using Scouts to compare between the players you mentioned.

by gotothejoe on Apr 4, 2009 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

Boy, this is getting tough

I keep thinking you’ll come to your senses and just give in and agree with me, but I see that’s not happening.

So here we go again…

Stafford is a long-term investment. You don’t put money in your 401k to spend it tomorrow. (let’s skip the 401k loss jokes here for the sake of time) That investment is to secure your future, right? We draft Stafford so we have a future at quarterback. The plug and play method has not worked for Detroit since Erik Kramer. It’s time to invest long-term again. So we crapped out with Harrington. Millen’s folly. This is a new regime that can get it right.

QB is a tough position and takes time to learn. With your impatience, we will never draft a QB, because you want the instant gratification. So if not this year, when? Next year? But then you have to sit him, so not next year. So in 2011? No, because then we’ll have to sit him. What about the next…

See… it’s a cycle of craziness that has to end at some point. Might as well get a QB this year while we know we are going to suck. The sooner he’s here, the sooner he plays.

As for the linebacker… I’m not even gonna answer you when you start pulling NFL grades from Scout, Inc. before the player takes a pro snap. Grades are utterly useless unless coming from an NFL team’s scouting staff.

I tell you what. Save all those rankings to a file. Then after the draft, compare those rankings to where the players were drafted. Then, for even more fun, look at them in three years after the players have actually taken professional snaps. It might be a little late, but you’ll get my point then.

by DrewsLions on Apr 4, 2009 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well I chose Scouts....

as a reference because they have actually seen these guys play and get paid to grade players and provide analysis. I am going to guess you or anybody else on here hasn’t seen more than a highlight reel of guys like McKillop or Brinkley. For you to dismiss Scouts inc because they don’t back up your point is silly.

Personally I would love to wait until the 2011 draft to get my franchise QB. There will be a rookie salary cap in place then so if you bust out like Joey, there is no harm to the cap. Not every QB has to sit a year to be effective. It’s the underclassman like Stafford that have the hard time. Again, these are cold hard facts based on years of data. If you did any research at all you would already know this because it has been reported on by everyone. Granted, Stafford might be the one to buck that trend but you can not afford to bust out with the #1 pick and coming off an 0-16 season.

It is not impatience to want to take the best player in the draft to fill the biggest need. I’d rather not throw this season in the toilet to hope Stafford develops properly and can contribute next year or the year after.

What exactly has he accomplished that makes you such a believer? Is it really just this pro-style offense and strong arm because I haven’t heard anything else the entire time. Give me something besides those two things.

by gotothejoe on Apr 5, 2009 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

Now you're just insulting my intelligence, dude

I look at many of those sites to try to get a feel for who’s who, but I don’t go around spouting website rankings and try to pass that off as my own thoughts. Many, many, many times those rankings end up being bogus. I’m looking at this from one standpoint only… what is best for the Lions.

You just hate Stafford and any attempt to justify that pick is unacceptable to you. This isn’t a debate, it’s beating my head against a brick wall. If you can’t even acknowledge that Stafford might be a good pick or a potentially great investment in the Lions future, I’m not spending any more time arguing with you. I’ve already conceded (many times, I might add) that I think the world of Curry and would be fine with the pick. My personal thought is that he would be overpaid, but probably a great player for the Lions.

Stafford to me, is the most NFL ready quarterback in this year’s draft. Most NFL teams, from everything that I’ve heard and read, believe Stafford to be NFL ready and within the top five most talented prospects in the draft. That’s enough for me. The Lions need a quarterback. What I believe to be a good option is staring us in the face, so I say… take the opportunity. You are simply being short-sighted and difficult to make statements like “throw the season in the toilet” by drafting Stafford. That’s is nonsensical drivel that I’ll no longer respond to. As for saying “if I did any research, I’d know that juniors bust” – stuff like that doesn’t bother me. I know football. I don’t need to prove myself to someone whose claim to fame is regurgitating scouting sites.

Hopefully, you’ll learn to root for Stafford. I’ll root for Curry if the Lions draft him. But I’m not arguing with you any more. No point in it.

by DrewsLions on Apr 5, 2009 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just to piggyback you Drew

I second your opinion. If you look at the three positions that the Lions are rumored to be linked to with the #1, which one has the least depth? Which one has the least likely possiblity of good talent falling to #20/#33. It has to be QB. At #20, at the very least you still have Laurinaitis left at LB, and he may be just what the doctor ordered with all the speed on the edge that this team is going to have. A lot of ‘experts’ have the Lions getting Maualuga at #20, and he’s no slouch. What about T? There are so many guys I can’t imagine not seeing a quality tackle get to us, especially if we don’t take one first overall. There just isn’t that kind of depth at QB in this draft.

by TennesseeYooper on Apr 4, 2009 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

No... finance analyst.

So analysis is part of my everyday life. I enjoy analyzing football more than a company’s finances though!

by DrewsLions on Apr 5, 2009 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow

I think you guys just published a book in about 12 hours. Forgive me if I skip over a few of the comments.

by James L on Apr 4, 2009 2:31 PM EDT reply actions  

Taking someone other than Stafford at #1

Everybody answer something for me. Why did we spend a second round pick 2 or 3 years ago on Drew Stanton if we’re not going to at least either give him a shot or at the very least, Dante Culpepper(who we signed to a 2 yr deal last year). We should spend our first pick on Wake Forest LB Aaron Curry or Boston College DT B.J. Raji. That makes more sense. There will still more offense lineman and defensive players with the 20th pick.

by rickracerx on Apr 4, 2009 9:36 PM EDT reply actions  

Ask Matt Millen why he drafted Stanton.

He obviously is nowhere near capable of starting from what we’ve heard from the coaches. If things are that uncertain with him, we need to bring in another QB. A waste? For sure… but necessary.

by DrewsLions on Apr 4, 2009 9:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

Drafted to the offense

Stanton was drafted to run the Martz offense which he ran at MSU and now that Martz is gone Stanton isnt going to get a chance. I think he deserves to get a start because he might have what it takes.

by StartStanton5 on Apr 5, 2009 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Millen drafted Stanton...

to get a local guy in here and have us locals go " Coooooooool pick Matt! A hometown guy!" He did it strictly to appease us. Stanton wouldn’t have been a bad pick in the 5th or 6th rd, but with the 2nd? Could’ve gotten a much better player who would be starting

by JazzyBBP on Apr 5, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

I checked the prospect ratings.

Stanton was ranked a second to third round selection. Pretty much equal to Trent Edwards. You know, the guy starting for the Bills.

by NorthLeft12 on Apr 5, 2009 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

New regime, New QB

That’s what you do. It doesn’t matter if you selected the #1 QB overall the year before, cuz chances are it the old regime got fired it was because they made a hugh mistake on that guy. Stanton was a horrilbe reach even for a second round guy cuz he wasn;t that good at Michigan state (QB’s can be workout warriors).

And Stafford is not a bad pick. Him and Sanchez make this one OF THE BETTER QB CLASSES!!!!!! Why you think its weak is so horrilby dumb I can’t comprehend it. Just cuz its only 2 guys doesn’t make it bad.

Id rather not type it again, but Sanchez and Stafford are 2 legit QB prospects. All you guys who want Sam bradford should look at Vince Young and Alex Smith as system QB’s who were high picks and gigantic busts.

Also a strong QB class is usually not that strong. You have years like the Marino, Jim Kelly year where there was all of them being good. You also have Eli Manning, Rivers and Roethlisgurer.

But then you have Akili Smith, Tim Couch, Cade McKnown years as then Vince Young, Matt leinart, Cutler years..

So Id just say that these 2 come from great colleges and its very rare that you have 2 guys as accolplished as them and as gifted as them come out.

Id just be worried that you don’t David Carr them. Sit whoever you get for a year if you don’t have an O-Line you really like. If you think you found a LT and a guard or whatever you need to protect him, then start him right away. He’ll be throwing bombs to Megatron in no time.

Its a lot better than waiting 4 years for Bradford to learn the pro-style playbook……….

by FreeBradshaw on Apr 4, 2009 9:52 PM EDT reply actions  

Current linebacking core

Wouldn’t it be nice to have this as our starting linebackers. Julian Peterson on one side, Aaron Curry in the middle and Ernie Sims on the other. The best part of drafting Curry is you could move Sims to the middle and really take advantage of Curry’s speed on the outside

by rickracerx on Apr 4, 2009 10:59 PM EDT reply actions  

I don't think Sims would be as effective in the middle.

But there’s no doubting having Curry would make our LB corp potentially one of the more dominant in the league.

2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).

by Hyperion Ecta on Apr 4, 2009 11:05 PM EDT reply actions  

tom brady and other thoughts

and he went in the fifth or sixth round when he was drafted …..coaching , targets and protection make or break a quarterback …. look how bad scott mitchell was after we lost mike utley and the #2 guy that got killed by the truck in front of his house in the early ninties …..if we take stafford and give him subpar protection and bad coaching , we will screw him hard…………..

marc hoople

by spinitnow on Apr 4, 2009 11:31 PM EDT reply actions  

and remember

NFL anylasis guys and wanabe reporters never get drafts right or make good picks , we found this out with matt millen …….. scouts and reseach make good choices , and reporters don’t have teams of scouts, just game film….

marc hoople

by spinitnow on Apr 4, 2009 11:37 PM EDT reply actions  

WORST POSSIBLE PICK

I totally disagree with this pick and think it would be the WORST possible pick for the Lions. If the Lions want to rebuild they need to start with the OL and defense. It was great picking up Peterson cause that adds a much needed LB. But the Lions cant run an effective offense if they dont have anyone to block for the QB. Stafford would be completely ineffective and another wasted drafted QB. If they get an OL they can get through the year with Culpepper or just give Stanton a chance cause he has shown some promise in games then draft a top rated QB next year. They need to rebuild this draft with OL and defense

by StartStanton5 on Apr 5, 2009 12:16 PM EDT reply actions  

You guys just keep coming out of the woodwork!

The Lions need to hire you right now! Because you can already see that Stafford is a bust. Are you a real life psychic? That is amazing!

C’mon, this is getting ridiculous. You have absolutely no idea if Stafford is a bust or not. None. Neither do I. Pro scouts and analysts alike think the guy might have a bright future in this league. So for you to come here and start making these ridiculous statement is getting soooo old. I can see if you would rather see the Lions go in a different direction, that’s totally fine that you disagree with me. But to already know that Stafford is a bust is laughable. Here’s a thought… think, then type.

by DrewsLions on Apr 5, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

That's the point...

…we need to spend the money on a “sure thing,” like Curry or Monroe. You “have absolutely no idea if Stafford is a bust or not.” Why draft him then? You should be more confident than that.

GO LIONS! RESTORE THE ROAR!

by Twon82 on Apr 5, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the point is that there is no sure thing

And we can’t ever know who may bust or not. Sure, Curry may not be as likely but we still don’t know so anybody who says “player is a bust” or “player won’t bust” is just not correct.

2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).

by Hyperion Ecta on Apr 5, 2009 6:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

You are miscontruing my point...

and you know it. I do have confidence in the pick. As much as I would have in Curry, Monroe or Smith. That’s to say, I believe they are good enough for the top pick in the draft and I hope that they succeed. You THINK Curry and Monroe are sure things. But you only THINK that’s the case… you don’t KNOW that’s the case. Huge difference.

So you are saying that you know FOR A FACT that Curry will succeed and Stafford will fail, right? You along with StartStanton5 need to join Miss Cleo and Dione Warwick at the Psychic Friends Network. Once there, you can schist people more gullible than me.

by DrewsLions on Apr 5, 2009 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

Talk about misconstruing...

I never said for a fact that Curry would succeed and Stafford would not. I said that he was a “sure thing,” purposefully in quotations. This means that he is LESS LIKELY to bust than Stafford. You are not considering all of the elements of this, period. Stafford would be coming into a situation not friendly to ANY QB, much less an untested, unproven, learning-on-the-job rookie. I don’t think we should draft a QB next year either, unless we build a strong foundation AROUND that position before that time. Curry and Monroe will most likely be fine players in the league, while Stafford has yet to convince very many people of anything.

Why take the lower % gamble after an 0-16 season? ESPECIALLY at a position that was hindered for years by a bust pick in Harrington. If Curry or Monroe bust, it doesn’t set the franchise back NEAR as much as if Stafford busts.

GO LIONS! RESTORE THE ROAR!

by Twon82 on Apr 6, 2009 2:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

And go on somewhere with that psychic bullcrap...

…you are doing just as much predicting as anyone on this site, so shut off with that. That’s all fans do is predict and hope for the best, you hypocrite.

GO LIONS! RESTORE THE ROAR!

by Twon82 on Apr 6, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Whoa... easy there.

Tongue-in-cheek stuff here. Not trying to get nasty. I guess I have to spell it out when I’m being facetious.

I’m just saying that no one is a sure thing and the picks that are rated highly all have chances to succeed or bust.

I guess I’m not making many friends with this pick. Sorry, Twon… didn’t mean to get under your skin so badly.

by DrewsLions on Apr 6, 2009 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not a problem...

…it’s all just silly banter anyway. I guess we both misinterpreted each other. It’s all good, man.

GO LIONS! RESTORE THE ROAR!

by Twon82 on Apr 6, 2009 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

I never said he would be a bust but he will if Lions dont have anyone around him to help him. I think that for him to be effective he needs time to pass. If he was drafted to mostly any other team i think he could turn out to be a great QB. BUT when you dont have anyone to help stafford thats when he becomes a bust. Twon82 is right we need to get a sure thing. Just look at the size of Smith or Monroe and you can see that they would be a for sure upgrade and immediate impact to the offense. Just look at all the QBs in the last 8 years. Draft Harrington would was supposed to be good. A bust and his career is basically runied caus Lions didnt have pass protection. Garcia would played great in SF and Tampa but horrible in Detroit because he didnt have enough time to throw. Kitna threw the most interceptions in the last 2 years caused he had to get rid of the ball asap b.c he had no time. Orlovsky showed some promise but was consistently throwing on the run. Im not saying he will be bad in general but at the Lions right now i think he will.

by StartStanton5 on Apr 6, 2009 12:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

That what exactly my point...

….and then he goes and says we were misconstruing. lol

GO LIONS! RESTORE THE ROAR!

by Twon82 on Apr 6, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

build the o line, doesnt matter who drops back to pass, our line sucks ass!

by gg72 on Apr 5, 2009 2:42 PM EDT reply actions  

Yep

GO LIONS! RESTORE THE ROAR!

by Twon82 on Apr 6, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

back to the basics

Hey listen I would love to gamble on stafford but wasting a top 5 pick on a QB let the Lions franchise back like 5 years when Harrington didnt pan out. Im just saying we cant make the same 5 year mistake twice in a decade because 10 outta 10 of wasted years due to botched skill position draftees is just unacceptable. If the harrington or alex smith experiments DIDNT happen I would agree with ya Drew and say “what the heck, take stafford, maybe hes the next Jay Cutler”. But given the history of the Lions drafts, I would not set myself up to make the same mistake twice in a decade. In 2010, he can take a gamble at a QB, lets try and improve the environment for our future QB this year. A former US president from the early 80s once said “WE MUST ACT TODAY, TO PRESERVE TOMORROW.”

by I3usdriver on Apr 5, 2009 3:41 PM EDT reply actions  

I would agree with you

But I don’t like any of the QB’s coming out next year. They are mostly system QB’s and they tend to struggle. Stafford and/or Sanchez are more pro-style QB’s and, like Drew says are more NFL ready. Preferrably I’d build our O-line but taking Stafford might be the smart thing for the future. He doesn’t have to play this year. We can sit him for 2009 and take a top notch LT with next year’s draft.

2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).

by Hyperion Ecta on Apr 5, 2009 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

System QB's

So I am a little fuzzy on the term system QB. It gets thrown around a lot. How are you defining it in terms of the QB’s next year? I have heard it relate to a Run and Shoot type offense so if you are going to say that then does that mean QB’s who run a West Coast offense are system QB’s? How about the New Orleans offense that is about 70/30 pass? The Colts offense which does a lot of shotgun and hurry up?

I guess my thought of a system QB is someone who runs an option type attack or single wing where the QB gets a ton of rushing yards and the pass is secondary. I wouldn’t consider Bradford or McCoy to be that type of QB (McCoy does run but also throws 30+ passes a game).

There isn’t many offenses in the NFL that are straight 5, 7 step drop back anymore so maybe it’s not a bad thing to bring a little variety from the college game at the QB position?

by gotothejoe on Apr 5, 2009 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

System QB's

It generally means that a QB gets inflated stats because he has a lot of talent around him and/or fits a successful system that doesn’t necessarily rely on him to run the offence. It, of course, doesn’t mean that a system QB cannot be successful. But it is tougher for them to adjust.

2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).

by Hyperion Ecta on Apr 5, 2009 8:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just out of curiousity..

Drew – Do you consider Bradford and McCoy to be system QB’s?

Don’t worry, another debate isn’t coming if you say yes…just would be curious as to why if you did.

by gotothejoe on Apr 5, 2009 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I think that they qualify, but...

I’m hesitant just to place a label and write them off. I do believe that history is not on the side of a QB that comes from offense that is not a pro-style. They seem to have a much harder time adjusting. Harrington was a classic case of being a Tedford product. His guys play very well within the confines of his system, but get to the NFL and really struggle reading defenses.

Did you watch Bradford’s bowl game this year. Bradford worked almost exclusively from the shotgun. Then before every play, he looks to the coach to read the defense for him and then applies the adjustment given. I am very uneasy with that approach as it translates to being NFL-ready. No one doubts Bradford’s accuracy, arm or even his leadership abilities. But being an NFL quarterback is about more than that.

I think Stafford is much closer to being NFL ready. Trust me, the Lions will absolutely GRILL him in the film room and about his offensive and defensing reading acumen. They will not select him unless they feel he is capable.

by DrewsLions on Apr 6, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Bad..?

wouldnt a system QB be good then? Because hes going to have a lot of talent around him at the pro level.

by StartStanton5 on Apr 6, 2009 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions  

Apparantly Not

Because many have had trouble adjusting the pro level. You must remember that many system QB’s play in shotgun and use gimmick formations. This is why some have trouble adjusting to the pro-level.

2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).

by Hyperion Ecta on Apr 6, 2009 1:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

System...

Drew is going to flame me for using the internet again but with the differing opinions I looked up “System Quarterback” Here is the result. I believe this definition means specifically spread offenses. I don’t think a shotgun would be considered a system (like spread and single wing) but more of a formation. Reading this I definitely don’t think Bradford and McCoy fall into the system QB category. Tebow? yes, probably.

“A system quarterback is one who is perceived to be successful but not extraordinarily talented. The term was originally meant to diminish the inflated statistics of players who run spread offenses.

Essentially, it meant the players had strong numbers because they ran an effective offensive “system” rather than being extraordinarily talented.

The implication is that they can win when surrounded by strong talent, but were less of a prospect at the professional level. It is becoming less of a negative tag, as more teams use offensive systems rather than relying on a star.

The opposite of a system quarterback would be a John Elway or Dan Marino who could win a game back the strength of their arm – with or without a strong system

Examples of system quarterbacks are 1989 Heisman Trophy winner Andre Ware of Houston (46 touchdowns, 4,699 yards senior year at Houston – was a pro washout); and Colt Brennan of Hawaii – drafted by the Washington Redskins"

by gotothejoe on Apr 6, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Oh..

and I appreciate them using Andre Ware as the example. Always like being reminded of that whenever possible!!

by gotothejoe on Apr 6, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not gonna grill ya...

I like your persistence. I think you can take the system thing to an extreme by saying no one from a specifically college-oriented offense can ever succeed in the NFL. That’s not correct. It’s just that those particular schemes aren’t really run very often in the NFL. So, the quarterback has to come in and be able to function in a new offense. It’s no doubt a risk you are taking. You can’t judge talent in college on production alone. That’s why there are a lot of failures in top quarterbacks. So many variables involved. Unless colleges all start running pro-style offenses, this was always be a tough area of scouting.

by DrewsLions on Apr 6, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

So Bradford and McCoy..

are system QB’s? I watch a lot of Big 12 football (live in Colorado so it’s on more than the Big 10) and I don’t see that from either of them. There is a lot of shotgun but it’s not really a gimmicky type of offense that maybe a Tebow in Florida runs, in either case. Seems that most NFL teams run shotgun on 20% of pass plays (probably conservative)? When I look at Bradford I see someone who completes about 68% of his passes and almost 10 yards per pass attempt. That shows accuracy and ability to read defenses. McCoy is about 77% accurate for 9 YPPA. The YPPA for both of them are at or above Stafford with higher accuracy. (not a knock against Stafford). Both offenses definitely rely on them to run it. They do have a lot of talent on their teams but that same argument could be made about Stafford with Moreno being the top RB and Massaquoi being a 2nd or 3rd round guy.

So what do you see that makes them system QB’s and you not liking them?

by gotothejoe on Apr 5, 2009 8:50 PM EDT reply actions  

I'm not saying they aren't talented or have potential

But from what I’ve read, and that’s what I rely on since I have no ability to watch college games, guys like Bradford and Tebow are in a style of offence that doesn’t resemble a pro-style offence. Like you said, NFL offences run shotgun maybe a 1/4 of the time. That’s 75% of the game that’s under centre. Asking a college player to try to run an NFL offence to which he has little experience in while not being used to being under centre would be tough and has proved to be for players in the past. But again, Bradford, McCoy and Tebow might be different by I can’t pass proper judgement on them until their up for drafting in a year’s time.Right now though, Stafford/Sanchez looks to be a solid choice.

2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).

by Hyperion Ecta on Apr 5, 2009 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks...

for the explanation. I am pretty sure any college QB can sit under center and take a snap so i don’t think I am worried about that. Now if they were completing 10 passes a game from a wishbone or single wing, then sure I would be concerned also.

Just for the record, you are right, Stafford and Sanchez are solid options. My point all along has always been it’s not the biggest need for the Lions. If you get a chance to see a few Big 12 games, watch Bradford and McCoy next year. I think you’ll be more impressed than you are with the S & S boys.

by gotothejoe on Apr 5, 2009 10:56 PM EDT reply actions  

It sorta sucks

Being in Australia, they only show 3-4 games on TV in the regular season each week so I have to hope they are showing the Lions game that week. From the 5 years I’ve been a Lions I’ve seen 7 Lions games, most of them being the Thanksgiving game. So, I rely on the game threads here and the NFL.com game coverage with the coloured lines representing the plays and the like. It’s tough.

College games are obviously worse. My pay TV provider sometimes shows bowl games and then only the big ones, but I’ll be more on the look out for games I can watch this year.

2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).

by Hyperion Ecta on Apr 5, 2009 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can sympathize...

Living just in Colorado, I basically see the Thanksgiving game and any games against the Broncos for the past couple of years. I had the NFL Sunday Ticket up until 2 years ago which was great but I have never been so thankful to miss 15 of those games as I was last year!

There’s some good websites that stream games over the net and of course highlights pop up on ESPN and places like youtube. G’day mate.

by gotothejoe on Apr 5, 2009 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

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