Trade for Dorsey
by Nate D. on May 14, 2009 8:05 PM EDT
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Looking at the moves the Chiefs have made this offseason, it appears the team is preparing to dive into the 3-4 defense more quickly than originally thought. After bringing in a slew of veteran linebackers through free agency, GM Scott Pioli used his first two draft picks on versatile defensive linemen: LSU’s Tyson Jackson and Purdue’s Alex Magee. Although neither played in a 3-4 in college, each has the skills necessary to line up at end in the "30" front. And, from what we hear, this is the duo the Chiefs would like to anchor their D-line for the foreseeable future. The question is: Where does this leave Glenn Dorsey, Kansas City’s 2008 first-rounder, who struggled last year at defensive tackle and is expected to switch to end in the new scheme? With Jackson already penciled in to start at one DE spot, it could mean that Dorsey will have to fend off Magee for the other starting job. Considering the new regime may very well be partial to the guy it drafted in Magee, Dorsey — more of a 4-3 type player — may face an uphill battle to remain in the starting lineup.
So does anyone think that there's a chance that KC trades him at all, and if so, who would be opposed to trading a 2nd rounder or something for him? I don't know squat about any of the upcoming DT's in the draft, and he seems like he would be a solid young guy in the middle of the DL.
Or maybe we give up a player or two.. too bad Gun can't pull any strings there.
Whaddaya think?
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after seeing him on tape from college
i would l be interested in this…but i didn’t see anything on him from last year in the pros…so he could have been a man amongst boys & and a boy amongst men in the nfl. would make for quite a run wall between him & jackson
As a first rounder
I don’t think they’ll offload him until at least next year. You don’t draft a guy top 10 just to drop him a year later.
Agreed
Some guys take a little while to get going in the pros.
2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).
by Hyperion Ecta on May 14, 2009 8:49 PM EDT up reply actions
There is Gerald McCoy and that Suh dude at DT next year
Will we be in the position to grab one of those players next year, don’t know. I’m unsure about Dorsey, this year is a big year for him. Would I take him, I’d probably go with yes, but not for a large cost.
2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).
Mount Cody is a only sophomore.
Terrence Cody, Plays for The Crimson Tide. He may be more of a nose tackle, fit for a 3-4 scheme.
Nick Saban has high expectations for him. The guy is Giant, somewhere around 400 lbs.
"Failure is only the opportunity to begin again more intelligently." - Henry Ford
by diehard.lionsfan@yahoo.com on May 15, 2009 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions
Nah
He’s “slimmed down” to 350 :)
Cody and McCoy will go very, very high next year. Depending on whose picking #1, either could be #1 overall.
by Joel Thorman on May 15, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Maybe thats why Jackson went at 3
Weren’t Dorsey and Jackson teammates in College? besides you can never have to many DTs and DEs its nice to have a rotation. Hey if they can get him for a 3rd Rounder i say do it, not a 2nd though
I think you hit it on the head
when saying you can never have enough D-Line depth.
Dorsey probably will play DE in the 3-4, but you have to rotate these guys.
I don;t think they are trading him at all. It really wouldn’t make sense to trade the guy.
by FreeBradshaw on May 14, 2009 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
Why not a second?
If it was an option Heck the guy was a 1st round pick wasn’t he??? and he is still very young not even into his prime yet. I would think that a second round or a 3rd and maybe a player would be nice to see.
2 bad
Herm edwards isnt still there. then we might have a legit shot at talking trade, but i cant see them giving up that quick on a first rounder, at least not 1 that millen didn’t draft!!!!!!!
If Herm was still at KC
it would have been less of a chance, because KC would still be in a 4-3, where Dorsey fits.
by Red and Gold on May 15, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
Coming from Arrowhead Pride....
Nope…ain’t gonna happen. Media pundits abound are saying the Chiefs should trade Dorsey…and heck, maybe they’re right. But the accelerated cap hit that would come on his $23 million bonus money isn’t worth it to us. It would be silly for the Chiefs to trade Dorsey this year in my humble opinion.
The new regime has yet to see what he can do on the field. Yes, he may play DE, and hopefully he’s good. We do know that Scott Pioli places a high premium on defensive linemen (Richard Seymour 6th overall, Ty Warren 13th overall, Vince Wilfork 21st overall) so I don’t think the Chiefs move him.
"Nope...ain't gonna happen"
Shoot…I think I just jinxed myself!
by Joel Thorman on May 15, 2009 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
all that was needed!
Was to never have let HERM go there to begin with Now if you guys can get LJ’s head outta hs ass and back too thinking about football you guys can play ball again, Like i said somewhere HERM is a team Killer A real good cordinator but as all of us lions fans know Cordinators don’t usually pan out uless they step into the mentors shoes wit that said PLEASE let the SWARTZ be the MAN!!!!!
If the Chiefs traded Glenn Dorsey for a second rounder
I would be pissed. Glenn Dorsey is a top 5 pick last year and led all rookie DT’s in tackles. We misused him last year by using him as a two technique, which prevented him from his specialty in pass rushing. He’s worth a first rounder though, no doubt. If the Chiefs traded him for a second I would give up all hope on common sense.
You say that
However, NE trades Cassel and Vrabel for a 2nd… Dorsey underacheived in a defense where he fit… what do you think is going to happen when you shift him out?
I agree that DL depth is great, and there really isn’t a reason KC SHOULD trade him, but if the FO is partial to ‘their guys’, I wouldn’t be too suprised.
Once again, all this is just conversation making, I figure KC gives him another year, he underperforms, and they ship him out draft day.
The cap hit would be quite large until year 3
Dorsey underacheived in a defense where he fit
This is a common misconception. Defensive linemen generally take several years to develop. Dorsey’s stats are actually better than the rookie years of Haynesworth, Sapp, etc.
by Joel Thorman on May 15, 2009 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
was it him or the coach???
I just keep looking at herms’ record in NY and with KC and he took 2 playoff ready teams and in 2 years killed what momentum both of those teams had and look how long it took the jets to come back from that debacle. I hope for you guys in KC it don’t take as long.
He went to the playoffs 3 times in 5 years in NY
And won a playoff game. That’s not a terrible record.
Sure, you can say they were Parcells guys, but then you’d have to say the team Eric Mangini took to the playoffs were Herm’s guys.
by Joel Thorman on May 15, 2009 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I am not defending Herm by the way
I am glad he is gone. Good guy, but not the right fit in KC.
Just wanted to get the facts straight.
by Joel Thorman on May 15, 2009 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions
Dorsey underachieved
Going along with what Primetime has said, Dorsey did not underachieve. He had a pretty solid rookie season for DTs. Dorsey wasnt even utilized correctly under Herm Edwards. They had glenn lined up so he would eat up double teams in order to keep the OL off of our linebackers because they were so awful. If Dorsey is lined up in a 3tech where he should be lined up in a 4-3 under which is what Perndergast our new DCord ran in Arizona, you should see his production go up considerably.
We might consider this trade for Calvin Johnson.:)
Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.
by paratrooper on May 15, 2009 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Im not dreaming
I dont want to trade Dorsey to you guys. You guys and your thoughts of trading a 3rd or 2nd need to keep dreaming. And im pretty sure our 3rd year WR named DBowe has put up better career stats than Calvin Johnson. Not saying Bowe is more talented that Calvin im just saying we have a pretty good young WR as well.
Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.
No.....
I didn’t mean anything negative…..what I meant was that a trade involving CJ for Dorsey is a dream for KC fans….it’s not even a close possibility. Sorry to inform you, but no sir…..Dwayne Bowe has not had better career stats than CJ. If you call 8 more catches better than 309 more yards and 5 more TD’s…..then yeah, he had better stats. However, last year CJ had 78 catches for 1331 yards and 12 TD’s….leading the NFL WR’s in TD’s in his rookie year. Bowe had 86 catches for 1022 yards and 7 TD’s….in his second year. 70, 995, and 5 during his rookie campaign. You definitely have a very good young talent in Bowe, but he is not better than CJ in any way, shape, or form. I wouldn’t trade CJ for him and Dorsey…..but that is just my opinion.
Relax pal
A 2nd for someone who maybe shouldn’t have been a first (especially from the Lions) isn’t so bad…
But just becuase you said it…
Johnson vs. Bowe (statistically) Career Stats
Receptions 126 – 156
Yards 2087 – 2017
TDs 16 – 12
Avg. YAC 5.4 – 4.9
Long 96 – 58
I don’t want to spark an argument, but don’t compare Bowe to Johnson. Some similarities, but Johnson caught 30 less balls for 70 more yards and 4 more TDs
A smile comes to my face
each and every time I am called that. Trust me, I’ve grown verrrry accustomed to it. Let’s just say it’s my schtick.
My work here is done.....lol
I love it when someone spits their drink out because of something I said…..lol
You've really taken to the Rev nickname haven't you?
2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).
by Hyperion Ecta on May 15, 2009 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
At least I wear a rubber!
Sorry I had to take care of the kids i could of added a few punch lines in there also, I’m glad too see you guys are laughing thou. My job here is complete!!!
I am relaxed
not meaning to come off like i wanted to spark a major argument. Id agree that Johnson is a better talent than DBowe. But how can you say that Dorsey maybe shouldn’t have been a first round talent. Look at the stats for top DT talents during thier rookie years. Dorsey’s stats are right up there with the likes of
Haynesworth and Sapp. Id say he was drafted right where he should of been. Only time will tell, but i would say anybody who thinks Dorsey should be traded for a 3rd or 2nd pick this year is nuts.
Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.
Not this year
I already said I don’t think KC will trade him this year…..but if he fails to produce this year, don’t expect more than a 2nd rounder from anyone.
By the way
This is a Den of bloodthirsty Lions fans….sorry if we are quick to defend what little good we have. We don’t mean to be so defensive, but last season kind of pissed alot of us off…..to say the least.
Oh trust me, I'm nuts
I don’t claim to know the transactional system of the NFL all that well, but I do know that when a staff doesn’t believe a guy is a fit in their system, they try to get as much value out of the guy as they can… which would mean NOT exposing someone’s deficiencies before they try to ship them.
I agree about not fitting the 3-4
but i don’t think the Chiefs will play a true 3-4. As we are hearing it will will be playing a 4-3 under which is more of a hybrid between the 3-4/4-3. Im no expert but in this system Dorsey will line up as a 3tech which will leave him one on one with a guard and should maximize his talents. Which are getting into the backfield and disrupting plays. We shall see though, im hopefull for the Chiefs this year and you guys are looking better to by the way. Hopefully Gunther works out for you guys but i wouldnt hold your breath.
Don't blame me, I voted for content of character.
Glenn Dorsey
I’m a Chief fan and certainly appreciate the spot-on discussion here. I think a point to consider (and mentioned here) is that Dorsey and Jackson did play together at LSU. I think Pioli was pretty shrewd in this draft pick … grab Jackson to motivate Dorsey. Jackson is a high motor guy who is a leader on the D-line. Also, if you did watch any film on Dorsey you’d see a guy who likes to take plays off and play patty cake with the O-line men. I definitely don’t think he was worth the first round draft pick the Chiefs used on him .. but it does take time to get adjusted to a Pro line.
Bottomline – I don’t think the Chiefs are ready to trade him but if his play doesn’t improve he will be gone ! Also, if there’s one Team in the NFL I’ll be rooting for, to win games this year, it’s the Lions. Good luck I think you guys have done pretty good in trying to get the Lions going in the right direction !!
It'll be tough
But a 2nd rounder for a guy who wouldn’t commit to more than one more season in KC is an excellent deal.
by Joel Thorman on May 15, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions
Agreed
I don’t think either side came out too bad in that trade. The Falcons got a player to help them win now, and you guys got another pick to rebuild with. Good swap.
I'm happy for gonzo
why should a HOF player have to play on a team that is rebuilding although he would of been a great security blanket for Casselle
I'm not saying it wasn't a good move by the FO
I was just wondering how they plan to replace the best TE in the game…..he was the best they had on offense last year, and now they have a new QB with no sure thing at TE,
or
at any position on the O-side of the ball really, I cant remember any of our FFL league running up to the board to get us some chief’s last year I beleave that only 2 were drafted and one was gonzo the other was a stretch with LJ but i could understand why with him.
I had LJ as a keeper last year
But sold high…..I seem to be pretty good at predicting when things are going bad for RB’s…..but I’m just a dumbfu** washboy who doesn’t know football, right Ralph?
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