Lions Owner William Clay Ford Breaks Silence on Millen, Mayhew, Schwartz, More
William Clay Ford doesn't speak to the media too often (the last time was after Matt Millen was fired last year), but he did just that on Wednesday after watching the Lions practice. The full interview can be viewed here, but I'm going to highlight the more interesting parts below.
The conversation with Ford, as expected, started with Matt Millen.
Why didn’t it work with Millen?
"Again, tough one to answer. He didn’t really have much experience as far as being a general manager goes. He knows the game, obviously. Knew talent. Maybe he was a little precipitous about some of his judgments. I’m second-guessing him.
"But it didn’t work out, and he understood completely. There was no bitterness or rancor on his part. He said, ‘No, I can understand why you’re doing it, and I don’t blame you.’ "
Did you support him for too long?
"Well, maybe. But I think circumstances, timing, were important. You don’t want to jump ship after two games or one game or anything like that. When the fans were really getting fed up, you think, ‘OK, time to make a move.’ Thought about it, obviously. But the timing just worked out the way it did."
I don't want to rail on Ford this entire post, but it's stuff like the quote above that makes it hard not to do. When the question about supporting Millen for too long was asked, I imagine most assumed it was referring to too many years. Ford, on the other hand, seemed to think it was about supporting him for too long during last season. That is just one of the many things that gives me so little confidence in him as the owner of the Lions. No one cares about if Ford waited a game or two last season to get rid of Millen. We sort of care more about how Ford waited for years and years to finally fire him.
You reportedly haven’t paid Millen since firing him. Is that true?
"We’re all square with the board. I talked to him on the phone a couple of weeks ago, and everything’s fine. We’re still friends, and I’m glad he’s got the job that he’s getting."
Millen said last week the situation is ongoing.
"It’s settled."
Was it settled recently?
"Fairly. Yeah, a couple of weeks."
How?
"It was really handled by his lawyer and mine. It never got to arbitration or anything like that, and I’m glad it (didn't), because as I say, we’re friends, and I don’t want to be on the other side of quarreling with a friend over ‘you said this’ or ‘I said this.’ So it worked out very peacefully. It worked out fine."
Millen was owed quite a bit of money, but I doubt he got all of it. If I had to guess, I would say that the two sides came to an agreement on a lesser amount of money simply so everyone could move on, especially since Millen has multiple TV jobs now anyways.
The conversation shifted away from Millen (thankfully) to discussion about the Lions' search for a new general manager and why Ford decided to simply promote Martin Mayhew.
Did you call Roger Goodell?
"Strangely enough, he called me. We had three or four conversations after that."
What did he say? Did he ask if you needed help or advice?
"Yes. He offered any help that he could. He was great about it. I said, ‘Well, I could use all the help I can get. I’m certainly not going to turn my back on you or anybody.’ Then he mentioned a few names, and I investigated those. He couldn’t have been nicer about it or really more helpful."
Did you investigate his suggestions for front-office executives?
"I did check into it, and nothing against any of his suggestions, but I felt I had the right combination here. So why go through the agony of bringing somebody totally new in that to learn what everything was about here? As long as it was in place, I didn’t have any problem with it."
Not that Martin Mayhew hasn't done a good job so far as GM of the Lions, but it hurts to know that there really wasn't an actual search for Millen's replacement. Ford was set on Mayhew getting the job and didn't even bother interviewing anyone else. I appreciate Roger Goodell for stepping in and trying to help, but at the end of the day, Ford basically listened to the Commissioner's suggestions and decided that he was content with what he already had. That's just disappointing.
What did Lewand and Mayhew do to impress you and make you feel so comfortable with them?
"I really don’t know how to answer that because there are so many different answers I could give. I’ll try to be specific by being vague. I like their judgment. I liked the thought processes they were going through to reach their conclusions. They don’t get an idea and then jump off a cliff. It’s all very well thought out, and it’s not just thought out for the day. They think about it for a long time, weigh all the other possibilities and then make their decision. It’s not a snap judgment on anybody’s part, and I think that’s important. Very important."
After talking a bit about how he didn't blame the fans that stopped going to games last season and how he doesn't really know what to expect for attendance next season, Ford started to talk about past coaching hires and the latest one.
You’ve been through so many coaches and approaches. Why do you think this might be the right direction now?
"This is going to sound a little egotistical, maybe it is. Because this was solely my decision, and rather than being influenced by a lot of other thoughts and people that … I respected their opinions, but they were not exactly the same as mine, which is fine, but they influenced the decisions that were finally made.
"If Jim Schwartz doesn’t work out, you can blame me 100%. I just have confidence in him."
You made the decision on Schwartz? He was your guy?
"Yeah. Now, I don’t mean to sound like I was too dictatorial about it. I got other people’s opinions on other people that we’d interviewed, and we all agreed, so that made it a shoo-in.
"It wasn’t … well, not bickering. But it wasn’t the arguments that we may have had in the past. If that’s the right word, maybe a little strong. The difference of opinion we had in the past.
"This was 100% from everybody. And long before I’d given my opinion, I asked them their thoughts, and I happened to agree with all of them. Anybody who agrees with you is a genius." (laughs)
Before giving you my take on this, here is the money quote of the whole interview, as far as I'm concerned:
The hirings of Mariucci and Marinelli were more contentious?
"I guess you could say that, yeah. I didn’t know their backgrounds particularly, and again, I relied on Matt and others for what their opinions were. The decision wasn’t mine. I’m not saying I was against it."
Ford is essentially deflecting all blame for the past failed coaching hires and putting it on Matt Millen and "others." I'm sorry, but as an owner of an NFL team, I find it hard to believe that Ford simply let Millen do whatever he wanted for all those years. He can say that he was hands off and let Millen make the decisions, but when you're an owner, the final decision is yours. I would prefer an owner that lets the GM hire his guys, but that doesn't mean he is blameless in all this. I could see if the only bad era for the Lions was when Millen was GM, but this isn't something new. The Lions have been a relatively mediocre franchise outside of the Barry Sanders years ever since Ford became owner of this team, and even then they have only won a single playoff game since 1957. The constant in all of this mediocrity is Ford, and even if he wants to blame Millen for the last eight years, it was Ford who hired him in the first place.
Have you ever ordered a coach to play a quarterback?
"No. I do not -- contrary to public opinion -- interfere with the football side of it. I mean, if so-and-so plays lousy, I’ll said I think he’s a bum. (laughs)
"But no, I’ve never said, ‘Play this guy or play that guy or don’t play him.’ These guys know more about the game than I do by 10 miles. I’m not going to try to second-guess them."
I don't think anyone has ever believed Ford was the one telling coaches who to play. It's pretty obvious that was all Matt Millen, as we saw during the Joey Harrington years. It's common knowledge that he and Steve Mariucci butted heads over drafting certain players and when they would play, which ended up dooming the Mariucci era.
How personally do you take criticism from the fans?
"Well, I mean, not that the yelling at the stadium does much for you. You get a couple of drunks, and they can lead anything. But by and large, you pay attention to it.
"I mean, if there’s a noticeable decline in attendance and the comments are not favorable, you pay attention to it. As I say, the fans are really the people we want to please out here.
"Especially now with Detroit and the shape it’s in, we’ve got to try twice as hard to give them their money’s worth. Money’s tough to come by for all of them. I understand that. But the least we can do is put on a good performance for them, and I think we will. I certainly hope we will."
The key phrase in the above quote is "decline in attendance." It was only when attendance numbers started to drop that Millen was fired. Comments weren't favorable for a good time before last season, yet Ford did nothing. Only when his revenue started to take a hit did he show he cared, which is why I find it hard to believe that he really cares about the fans at all. After all, the Lions raised ticket prices last year after one semi-decent season, trying to squeeze as much money out of fans as possible. Well, Ford got a first-hand look at what that coupled with a crappy team caused, and then he suddenly decided that it was time for a change.
Do you worry about your legacy? How badly to you want a championship?
"I want it. I can promise you that. Starting with Jim and on out as far as my livelihood goes, I’m going to shoulder the responsibility for any mistakes we’ve made.
"I don’t mean every play or stuff like that, but if things go sour and the fans turn against us, I’ll have nobody to blame but me. And I’m aware of that. But that’s a nice challenge to have, to try to keep them happy in bad times."
Let me get this straight. Ford is only going to take the blame for bad things that this team does starting now? Where has he been since owning the team? I find it comical that he apparently thinks the past hasn't been his fault one bit. Like I said before, the one constant in these decades and decades of mediocrity is Ford, and now all of a sudden he wants us to forget that? I hope I'm wrong, but until there is a change in ownership, I really have a hard time believing anything will truly change with this franchise. I have great faith in Mayhew and Schwartz, but Ford is still as clueless as they come.
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Good breakdown of the interview, Sean
It’s tough not to heap it on Ford. He kind of asks for it with his witless, untimely, once-a-year interviews. He’s the owner and the accountability rests there. Having said that… there is enough blame to go around every pocket of this organization. I think most know my feelings about MIllen, but I also think that the coaches and players are getting their blame overshadowed by the main villians in this show.
Yes, the GM hires coaches and players. But once here… those players and coaches need to do their job. Yes, Millen was meddlesome and did not create an environment conducive to success. But how does that make Roy Williams drop an easy touchdown pass or force Mornhinweg choose to kick the ball in overtime? How does Millen’s front office follies and WCF’s bumbling nature cause Jon Kitna to throw three fourth quarter interceptions or keep your coach from spending 95% of practice working with the defensive line instead of working on his gameday prep?
We all know Ford is limited in his capabilities as an owner. It’s gonna be that way until he’s gone. Our hope is now in Mayhew, Lewand and Schwartz and I believe at this moment in time, that those are the right people for the job. I’m gonna try to look forward more than I look back from now on. Of course, that doesn’t mean I’m going to forget and forgive the idiots that had a hand in destroying my favorite (and only) team. Not a chance. But my eyes are looking forward for the most part.
I wish I had your patience
I understand your thoughts about blame being dealt in multiple arenas, not just to Ford. However, Sean breaks it down perfectly to us in this interview how clueless Ford really is. I can’t believe the stuff that came out of his mouth. Does WCF have no Pride (no pun intended), no self-respect? He seems the most narcissistic egomaniac when deflecting the last 45+years of absolute filth that has been projected in the Silverdome, Ford Field and our TV sets. How can he deflect this blame, HE IS THE OWNER!!!!! Is his excuse somehow implied in that “I just bought the team, don’t look at me.” No, you make the financial decisions for this franchise (i.e., you raised ticket prices), you make the upper management hiring/firings happen, TAKE SOME OWNERSHIP!!!! Isn’t that why you’re called the “OWNER!!???”
I can’t tell you how it makes my blood boil that he somehow seems to be conveying himself as a White Knight (and a very wrinkly one at that), who after “the season (yes, we were 0-16),” is coming riding in on his high horse, making the ultimate decisions with the Schwartz hiring and other related matters, and has come to save the day. WOW, I CAN’T TELL YOU HOW GOOD THAT MAKES ME FEEL!!!!! Are we as fans, who utlimately have funded your carnival de muerte for the past 4 decades, supposed to get a warm, fuzzy feeling that gran-daddy Ford is going to make everything all right? I hope he’s not that senile yet, because then he’s closer to a retirement village than he realizes. It really makes me more neuseous than anything else. Sorry, but I hope you would’ve taken ownership when you cut the check to purchase this franchise years and years ago (ironically, on the same day JFK was assasinated, a dark day in U.S. history), before I was born, than now, after losing every single game you stepped on the field to play in the previous season. Now, after your revenues have plunged, as Sean points out. What scum! Well, I can promise you this, WCF, you will not jerk me out of one more penny until I see us in the playoffs, and I will blame you for every future loss from this day forth (even though I didn’t need your permission, thanks very much)!!!! The Lions will always be my team, but this interview pushed me over the proverbial cliff’s edge.
Thanks to the Pride for letting me vent. All that being said, I love Gym Shorts, and even after all that’s happened with this franchise, somehow and someway I seem to trust this man to turn things around. Hope is all I have left, and I will cling to it as long as my mental state allows.
by Glutton for Punishment (Lionsfan) on Jun 26, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions
My problem with the whole thing is
What limp wrist reporter interviewed him and didn’t ask WCF the ultimate question. " Why has the team that has been owned by you for nearly 50 years always been so pitiful" Why doesn’t it seem to bother you that your Detroit Lions organization is considered the worst pro franchise in the history of sports"
Why can’t someone have the cahunna’s when they get the opportunity to ask?
I agree with all you said except I didn’t understand the Gym Shorts reference……….
by phlint phantom on Jun 28, 2009 10:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Kudos Drew
Everybody had a hand in everything.
The thought still makes my guts churn
As much as Mayhew may look like he is making good decisions now, he was essentially trained by Millen and handed the job without anyone else even being considered.
As good as the off season moves seemed to be, they were made by a guy with no more qualifications than the last guy and no more reason to hire him than training new people is hard.
Mayhew is no Millen
I think all of as has a job or two in our lifetime. Where our boss or supervisor. Was a complete idiot. And no matter what suggestions we make. The idiot boss won’t listen. That is how I view Millen and Mayhew’s relationship. Just look at the difference in a Head Coaching search . Millen a couple of candiates. At most. A couple of interviews. And bam. We have a coach. Mayhew made Schwartz jump through hoops. To get the job. And Millen has never struck me as the type of guy. Who would take suggestions from an underling. I think Mayhew trained himself on how to be a good GM. By looking at the mistakes that Millen made.
Sean
I want to thank you for writing this article…..you said it all, and I agree with you wholeheartedly. Nice work.
+1
First off thank you Pope Sean, I know just the other night I asked if anyone had heard or read this article and now I have had a chance to read and digest it; I needed a big swig of Pepto Bismal to do it though; one of the things that jumped into my head when reading it was about how they new more about the game of football that him by how ever many miles, How can you run an organization or anything for that matter for that long and say that other people know more than you? I just don’t understand and probably never will. I look at another Owner in michigan that took over a team about 20 some years ago and no he wasn’t successful right off the bat, but he learned how to turn that team into a Dynasty for us that just reloads talent not build up and then let fall to peices. Then that same owner goes out and buys a baseball team again he struggles for about 10 years untill he figures out how to surround himself with knowledgeable people and now look at our Tiggers they are very good with all kinds of talent at all levels of the game. So back to Ford if he can’t figure it out in 50 years what does that say about Ford Motor comp? Are we all buying pieces of junk that look nice and shiney but run like crud. I really want to like the old man but I just can’t I want to be the Queen of Hearts here and say “OFF WITH HIS HEAD”! I am happy that he kept part of the old regime;NOW; wasn’t a few months ago, but for the first time in my lifetime we have kept part of a front office to start building a solid foundation. And if what "glutton for punishment wrote about what day he bought the franchise is true, That scares me more than the whole curse of Nighttrain Lane. I was under the influence that the worldstood still that day when JFK was murdered, look the lions are still in morning since then 50 years later, oh wait those are our tears on the ground not theirs.
Cardinal Davis
I’m a Ford man….always have been, always will be. However, liking and swearing by a particular automobile brand does not mean that I like the owners of the company. Ford motor company has the best reputation in the American automobile industry. What other American automobile company is not bankrupt? I have owned Fords, Chevys, GMCs, Oldsmobiles, Mercurys, Hondas, Cadillacs, Jeeps, Chryslers, and even Pontiacs and Dodges. Of all of them, my Ford vehicles have been the best, the most reliable, and the most dependable. Cadillac and Chevy are a close second. The rest are junk.
I currently own a 99 Ford Contour and a 92 Oldsmobile Custom Cruiser (yep, a shaggin wagon). Both are good cars, but the grocery getter is a puddle jumper, while I would drive my Ford to California and back. None of this means that WCF has what it takes to run a football franchise, or even to put people in place who can. I agree with you about Illitch, and I am damn happy that he owns the Red Wings and Tigers. He is a great owner. The Ford Motor Company has a reputation that supersedes the WCF ownership era of the Lions. In my opinion, Ford has always been and always will be the best automobile company.
What Honda did you have?
Honda’s are known for being some of the most reliable cars around. You must’ve had a rust box or something. Anyway, I do agree about Ford. I have had a few and they have been pretty good cars. It’s slightly different over here though because Ford Australia has slightly different models than the rest of the world.
On the whole though, I’m not a big fan of American cars. I can only think of a handful of models that I would consider buying, if I had the money ofcourse. I tend to prefer European carmakers…such as Audi or Alfa Romeo.
2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).
by Hyperion Ecta on Jun 28, 2009 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions
I had a Honda Civic
And yes, it was a good car. I should have also said that it was one of my better cars, but I didn’t have a lot of time to judge it since I wrecked it 2 weeks after I bought it….oops. I was 18 years old, young and dumb, and I was too busy paying attention to the hotties in bikinis on the beach when I got broadsided….uhhh oops….LOL. I drove the car (totalled) from Northern Michigan to Milwaukee, Wisconsin after that. On the way back to Chicago (where my friends and I were staying for the weekend), the clutch went out. I had to leave the car near Kenosha, WI (spelling, not sure), and by the time my step father came to get me, my stereo, speakers, amp, etc were all gone. I had the clutch repaired and went back 2 weeks later to drive the car back to MI. I took it to the appraiser at my insurance company, and they cut me a $6000 check (full coverage). I paid the car off and bought a 1992 Saturn. That was also a decent car, but again young and dumb took over and I wrecked that one too….oops (I’m 33 now and haven’t had an accident since I was 19, knock on wood). When that one was paid off, I got a brand spanking new 1996 Saturn SC2 in November of 1995. It had 12 miles on it when I bought it. I had that car for 3 years, in which time the tranny went out of it and I had several other problems. I loved the car, but since it was the “lease” of my worries, I turned it in at the end of the lease. At that time, my step father gave me his 1991 Ford Ranger because he just got a new one. That truck lasted me 5 years before my wife to be came home with a brand new Chevy Cavalier. I sold the truck to my Dad (which I never should have done since it was still running perfectly, but he needed it pretty bad, and I was driving a brand new car again.) We hit some rough times economically, and the Cavalier ended up being reposessed. We owned multiple vehicles between then and now, and the best one has been the Contour than we currently own. We’ve owned it for 3 years now, and I paid $2,000 for it.
My Grandpa and my Dad always owned Ford trucks. I have owned and driven 19 vehicles in 17 years of my driving life. 6 of them were Fords. A 1972 Ford F-100 (My first truck), a 2 1995 Ford F-150’s, a 1991 Ford Ranger, a 91 Ford Escort Wagon, and a 99 Ford Contour. These were the cream of the crop for me. I have owned a 1966 Chevy Impala, a Honda Civic, a 72 Chevy Nova, a late 80’s Olds Cutlass, a 76 Chevy Monte Carlo, 2 Cadillacs, a C-5 Jeep, an 05 Chevy Cavalier, a 91 Pontiac Grand Prix, a 92 Saturn and a 96 Saturn, and I currently own a 92 Olds Custom Cruiser Wagon along with our 99 Contour. The 66 broke down (stabalizer bar in the rear end, factory weld busted), I wrecked the 92 Saturn and the Civic, the unibody on the 72 Nova rotted out from under the car, the brakes fell off of the 80’s Cutlass and the 91 Grand Prix, the rear end went out 3 times in the Monte Carlo, both motors in the Cadillac’s blew up (although they were over 200,000 miles each and were great cars), the C-5 had to be pull started and only got like 5 miles to the gallon, the Cavalier was reposessed (it was a sweet ride too), the 96 Saturn had tranny problems and was a lease, and every Ford I have ever owned was still driving down the road when I sold them.
I would drive may different foreign cars, but parts here in the states for those vehicles are expensive, and typically so are the vehicles themselves. I’m a Ford man, and my experience has only solidified that nature.
I've only had a few cars
But I’m still pretty young. I currently have a 1989 Nissan Skyline GSX…just the base model. A lot of the cars you mentioned you can’t even buy over here. For example, the major Australian manufacturer is Holden who make Commodore’s and Monaro’s and such. You may know the Monaro as a Pontiac GTO. Ford also have different Aussie models, such as the Falcon. One of the biggest rivalries in Australian sport is in motorsport where Holdon verse Ford..it’s pretty brutal, and I tend to side with Ford.
2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).
by Hyperion Ecta on Jun 29, 2009 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Interesting
The Ford Falcon hasn’t been produced (that I know of) in the U.S. since 1970. I just read that they still produce them, but only in Australia, as you mentioned. They were produced in Argentina until the 90’s.
That is correct
Falcon’s are actually very good cars, although I’ve never seen the old American ancestor to compare.
2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).
by Hyperion Ecta on Jun 30, 2009 6:17 AM EDT up reply actions
Honda's are reliable cars here in Michigan also.
But with our area economy solely based on the GM, Ford and Chrysler you are pretty much forced to by what your local factories produce such as Ford in the Detroit area, and GM in Flint, Bay City and Saginaw. Chrysler picks up the un happy GM and Ford customers and then they go back to Ford and GM after the Chrysler expieriment.
Where I live Ford is acronymed as;
F ound
O n the
R oad
D ead.
their are others but not so nice. I have owned a new Ford truck before and was pleased with its performance and reliability. I have also owned a Pinto, Maverick and a 70 Mustang all of which drew much laughter. My favorite cars were a Fiat spyder and my Pontiac G6/GT. Audi’s and Alfa Romeos our only for the rich here.
by phlint phantom on Jun 28, 2009 11:16 PM EDT reply actions
F'ed Over Rebuilt Dodge
I’ve heard them all…….
Ashes to ashes and dust to dust…..if it wasn’t for Chevy, our tools would rust. If you have the moxy, the courage, and time to own others, you’ll always come back to Ford my brothers….:o)
Once upon a time there was a car designer, who worked exclusively with the Ford Motor Company, who decided to jump ship and work for another car company. His influence at Ford can be seen in almost every vehicle that this car company produces. His name was Carroll Shleby, and he designed Dodge vehicles after 1970. Remember back in the 90’s when Dodge came out with their “new look” trucks? Well that was a Ford design, and they made a deal with Ford that allowed them to release the “new look” before Ford came out with their “new look” trucks. I’m sure you have noticed the resemblance between the two…..and that is because Ford designed both vehicles. Sure, maybe the Dodge boys put a few minor touches on the design, but in the end the trucks still looked a lot alike. Not to get into a Ford, Chevy, and Dodge pissing match, but which company still has it’s head above water?






























