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Which division has the best? Part 2: NFC North

Ok, I will be making a all star team form each division. Starters and Backups. Based on comments I might tweak the teams a little. After the teams are finished we will vote the best through the worst. Each week we vote which all star team gets booted when they get booted. The team with the most votes each week played the team with the least. Then the second most vs the second least and etc. Then we vote off who would has the least chance. Here's the NFC North!

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QB-

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Starter- Jay Cutler, Backup- Aaron Rodgers, Bench- Brett Farve

RB

 

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 Starters- Adrian Peterson, Matt Forte, Backups- Ryan Grant, Chester Taylor, Kevin Smith

FB

 

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Starter- Korey Hall, Backup- Jason Mckie

WR-

 

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 Starters- Greg Jennings, Calvin Johnson, Donald Driver, Backups- Bernard Berrian, Dennis Northcutt, Bobby Wade

TE

 

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Starter- Greg Olsen, Backups- Donald Lee, Visanthe Shiancoe

 

T's

 

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Starters- Bryant McKinnie, Orlando Pace, Backups- Jon Janson, Ryan Cook

G's

 

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Starters- Steve Hutchinson, Anthony Herrera, Backup- Robert Garza

C

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Starter- Olin Kreutz, Backup- Scott Wells

DE's

 

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Starters- Jared Allen,  Aaron Kampman, Backups- Alex Brown, Adewale Ogunleye, Dewayne White, Brian Robinson

 

DT

 

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Starters- Pat Williams, Kevin Williams, Backup- Tommie Harris, Grady Jackson

OLB

 

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Starters- Lance Briggs, Ernie Sims, Backups- Chad Greenway, Aj Hawk, Juian Peterson, Aaron Kampman

 

MLB

 

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Starters- Brian Urlacher, E.J Henderson, Backup- Nick Barnett, Larry Foote

CB

 

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Starters- Charles WoodsonAntoine Winfield, Al Harris, Backups- Charles Tillman, Phillip Buchanon, Anthony Henry

FS

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Starters- Nick Collins, Backup- Tyrell Johnson

SS

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Starter- Madieu Williams, Backup- Atari Bigby  

If you think someone should be added, removed, become a starter or backup please say why and why the other guy must go.

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Okay... I've got beefs everywhere but I'll start with the obvious...

Greg Jennings over Calvin Johnson for the best receiver in the NFC North??? Dude, you’re gonna catch some heat over that one here.

Donald Driver is much, much better than Berrian. And Northcutt and Hester should not even be on this list… but, I’ll give you that the WR talent in the NFC North is pretty poor. Packers first four receivers are better than either of those two. I wouldn’t be afraid to throw a Percy Harvin in there regardless of experience. What about Bryant Johnson… easily better than Nortcutt, Hester and Wade.

At tackle, Janson’s not even a starter. If you’re going to put a Lion in there, put one that starts. As for Orlando Pace, he’s a huge question mark and not even guaranteed to start. Remember, they drafted Chris Williams last year.

How about E.J. Henderson over Larry Foote… seriously? Henderson’s not all that great – check his game film.

Tommie Harris and Kevin Williams are both way better than Pat Williams. Pat Williams is big, but his skills are somewhat diminished.

Okay, I think that’s enough. I feel like I’m being overly mean, now. But this list needs some work.

by DrewsLions on Jul 12, 2009 7:14 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Agreed

Add Buchanon to the list of overlooked…He is surely better than Henry.

2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).

by Hyperion Ecta on Jul 12, 2009 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jon Jansen is a BACKUP!

if you can read

R.I.P, Air McNair

by number5 on Jul 14, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Stil, you have him listed as one of the best Tackles in the Division..he wouldnt start at any of the 8 starting tackle spots...

So how can he be in the top 6?

P.S: I deff give credit for doing this though…:)

http://cmufootball.blogspot.com/

by CapitolLions on Jul 14, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Probably Chad Cliffton

But, even Cherilous…He is starting over Jon

I am just coming off season of Jansen being hurt watching the redskins every weekend…

Damn I need NFL Sunday Ticket

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by CapitolLions on Jul 14, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agree with the above posters

and I’d also add that I don’t think that Sims is currently one of the three best LBs in the division. I’d actually swap him with Greenway.

So basically what Orwell was saying was, "it's not perfect, but I'll take it."

by Mogwai on Jul 12, 2009 8:29 PM EDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

Sims did have a bad season

But that’s more an indication of the Lions Defence than his talents. I still hold him in high regard within the division, especially since he’s got Foote and Peterson helping him now.

2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).

by Hyperion Ecta on Jul 13, 2009 3:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

add DELMAS

why not add DELMAS to the list as well ….the NFC North isnt the strongest division and if we are not considering experience for the starting list why not add DELMAS to the mix he has shown good ball skills and should be a much much better Saftey than the LIONS have had in the past Decade…

by phil_165 on Jul 13, 2009 1:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

As much as I like Delmas

Until he plays a game, I can’t support that argument. I agree with your statement and I truly believe he will be the better player but I have no substance to back up that claim until he gets experience under his belt. I have the same problem with Pettigrew. I want very badly to say that he’ll be better than any of the TE’s listed but I have nothing to back it up.

by James L on Jul 14, 2009 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

By the players you chose...

You are/or…;

1. A Packers or Bear’s fan
2. Have no clue who Larry Foot or Cliff Avril are
3. Could care less who plays on the Lions… ‘because their the Lions’
4. Know the name “Jon Jansen”, but do not realize that he will not start at Tackle for the Lions.

Try reading up on ALL the teams of the NFC North… Being ignorant of the ‘0-16’ team…. well… makes you look ignorant.

-CLF

by CLF on Jul 14, 2009 7:52 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

RE:

Ahhh… an Eagles fan, even better…. that explains the Jon Jansen issue…

by CLF on Jul 14, 2009 7:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jansen is washed up..

As I said in the other post, I live in DC, and have for years…Jon was great, now he isn’t even good.

http://cmufootball.blogspot.com/

by CapitolLions on Jul 14, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So is it fair to say that Jansen is as washed up as Backus(I personally don’t think he is)? Maybe the guy just needs some competition and inspiration from the coaches, along with a change of scenery.

by BIGWalt2990 on Jul 14, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, Backus isn't really better than Jon!!!

So, its the lesser of 2 evils…

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by CapitolLions on Jul 14, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

If you could read

Jon Jansen is a BACKUP

R.I.P, Air McNair

by number5 on Jul 14, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah you are right

he is a back-up, on the lions roster to Cherilous. Trust me I am a HUGH wolverine fan and Jansen fan but he is going to be a alternate for the guard/tackle positions on our team.

by davis0169 on Jul 14, 2009 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you guys are complaining about Larry Foote.

He isnt that good. HE is definatley a good LB but not as good as EJ.

R.I.P, Air McNair

by number5 on Jul 14, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Watch the tape, man...

Henderson is average at best.

by DrewsLions on Jul 14, 2009 6:25 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yup

+1 Henderson only looks good cuz of the two stud DTs in front of him

by Staleystan595455 on Jul 14, 2009 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Anyone interested in some sabotage?

http://www.canalstreetchronicles.com/2009/7/14/941469/2009-schedule-preview-week-1-vs
The Saint’s SB Nation blog has a poll about the first game of the season, and who will win it.

Only 2 votes for the Lions…1 is mine, If you guys are bored enough, I’d like to see that number grow.

by BIGWalt2990 on Jul 14, 2009 8:11 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I voted

Go Lions!!!

2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).

by Hyperion Ecta on Jul 14, 2009 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Anyone notice....

that “number5” never comes back here and defends these posts? What gives? I guess if I posted this stuff, I wouldn’t want to see the backlash either.

by DrewsLions on Jul 14, 2009 1:56 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Good Point Drew

http://cmufootball.blogspot.com/

by CapitolLions on Jul 14, 2009 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ok

Calvin Johnson is a beast and makes playes. He is a starter. Greg Jennings and Calvin Johnson are the STARTERS. Next, you guys are complaining about Larry Foote. He isnt that good. HE is definatley a good LB but not as good as EJ. Jon Janson is a BACKUP. Gosh, you guys when 0-16, you guys can still read (hopefully). I have no idea who Delmas is. Is he a rookie or something? Cliff Avril is still to young. Thats why I didn’t put Percy Harvin or someone young. And I have been on SB in a while, so I cound comment sooner.

R.I.P, Air McNair

by number5 on Jul 14, 2009 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

"could"

R.I.P, Air McNair

by number5 on Jul 14, 2009 5:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nope on Harvin!

And this statement is for ALL Gators fans. Everyone of their players on the offncive side of the ball are all PRODUCTS of their system down in Florida, Not 1 of their “STARS” has even been an average player in the NFL and I don’t see “I’m sick” Harvin being any different. He’s small and already been injury prone in college, so hows his frail body going to hold up when he’s getting smashed by real men.

by davis0169 on Jul 14, 2009 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I see Harvin as a redux of Hester

Makes waves year one as a PR/KR and then falls off the map as a WR in year 2. Until he has a Reggie Bush-like injury and he misses season 3.

by ATL Lion on Jul 15, 2009 8:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah and Aarron Kampman is a

Rookie at OLB. Who knows if he can perform there.

I’d put Brett above Rodgers AND Cutler.

Face it #5… you didn’t even research the Lion’s roster.

by CLF on Jul 14, 2009 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Okay...

First, I applaud you coming back to back-up your post. Second, you are obviously not a Lion’s fan, so why are you posting here – on a Lion’s blog – expecting not to be ripped, when you’re not very knowledgeable about the Lion’s roster?

As stated, Jon Jansen is a back-up on your list. But our point is that he is a back-up on the Lions! If you are going to use a tackle from the Lions… use Backus or Cherilus – STARTERS.

Not sure what you meant by “Gosh, you guys when 0-16, you guys can still read (hopefully).” I assume that you meant that we didn’t get that you put Jansen as a back-up on your list. Oh, we did get it. It was just dumb, that’s all.

If you’re not a Lion’s fan or you don’t want to research your posts… don’t post here. Speaking for myself, BTW. We have enough good posts to read here by dedicated Lion’s fans that know the roster.

by DrewsLions on Jul 14, 2009 6:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This guy is posting these all over SBNation

To similar results as he is getting here.

by ATL Lion on Jul 15, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Cherilus

When it’s all said and done this year could be the best tackle in the division, if not an all-pro. He’s got someone to mentor him to that next level this year.

by davis0169 on Jul 16, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

A bit off topic...Why is Al Harris speaking highly of the Lions and their staff?

Anything seem strange about this, or is it just me? Wikipedia shows that this is Harris’ last year in Green Bay.

Why would you compliment a divisional rival like that?

What do the Lion’s have to trade for Harris that the Packers need? Stanton?

Or am I just reading too far into this.

by BIGWalt2990 on Jul 17, 2009 4:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Reading too far, but...

That’s an intriguing thought… getting Harris. He’s still a great player. I can’t believe I’m saying this, because I’m typically against giving up draft picks, but I’d give a fourth or maybe a third to get him right now.

That’s my insecurity about our secondary coming through again.

by DrewsLions on Jul 17, 2009 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haha

Stanton? As in your backup QB Stanton? I don’t think so. I would take any of our 3 QB’s now over him. Probably a 4th round pick or 5th round pick, Thompson loves his draft pickss. I doubt we would trade him in the first place though.

by packallday555 on Jul 17, 2009 5:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Looks like he secretly wants to be a Lion, though

Doesn’t that just give you the cold pricklies? Or maybe that’s just the arctic air in Green Bay seeping through your windows. You do still have snow on the ground, right?

by DrewsLions on Jul 17, 2009 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haha

I actually live in MN, I know ironic that I’m not a Viqueens fan. It does but, it wouldn’t be the end of the world if we lost him. When he was out last year our nickle back Tramon Williams came in and played very well. He ended up with like 5 ints, and only started in about 8 games, and was the nickle back in all the rest, so that’s a pretty good number.

by packallday555 on Jul 17, 2009 9:52 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brian Brohm is better than Drew Stanton??

I must say that I cannot concur……Brohm will be lucky to make the team in GB this year, and Stanton would definitely be at least the 3rd QB in GB. Personally I would say that Stanton is also far superior to Matt Flynn. I don’t know how you can say that a QB from Louisiana State or even Louisville is better than any QB that has come out of Michigan State University. Brohm was a 2nd rounder out of Louisville, and he might not make the team this year. Flynn was a 7th rounder….not exactly great depth there in GB. Good thing that Rodgers seems pretty tough.

No offense packallday…..but neither of the Packer backups could have beaten The U of M the way Drew Stanton did. Drew is underrated in my opinion, and has not been coached well to this point.

by KDawg on Jul 18, 2009 2:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Stanton just needs a chance to play with a first team offense for more than 1 play in the red zone.

by BIGWalt2990 on Jul 18, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

IF

he makes it through preseason then more than likely the coaches like what they see. Becuase QB vets are starting to pop up after being released. There will be a couple more before preseason is done I am sure.

by shanndiggit on Jul 19, 2009 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Huh?

I agree neither might be better then him now, but after 2-3 years I think both will be. I don’t understand the logic as far as what college all the players have come from. Are you referring to Minnesota or Michigan when you say U of M. Regardless, I’m pretty sure Matt Flynn’s national championship team would crush Minnesota or Michigan. Brohm’s team was never very great but he was one of the best QB prospects in last years draft.

by packallday555 on Jul 19, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is this sarcasm?

Stanton never beat Michigan in college.

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by Sean Yuille on Jul 19, 2009 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He was on MSU from 2002-06

MSU lost to Michigan every year during that time. Their last win before last season was in 2001.

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by Sean Yuille on Jul 20, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

My bad

You are correct Sean…..it was Jeff Smoker who was the starting QB at “Clockgate” 2001. For some reason I was thinking that was Stanton.

Packallday, I was referring to the University of Michigan…..but I was mistaken as to who the QB was.

I must have been in the Kool-aid the day I wrote that post too….LSU has produced 2 good QB’s in my memory…..Russell and Flynn. However, I still think Drew Stanton is just as good as both of them. I remember another National Champion Qb out of Florida (2006) named Chris Leak. Where is he now? Winning a national title does not make you a good QB…..it just means you were on a great team.

Drew Stanton made Chris Leak look like a HS QB that year before the NFL draft. I watched them in a QB competition, and Stanton was the most accurate and mobile QB of any of them. If he had the right coaching and the opportunity, I think he could become a good QB in the NFL. I also think he is better than Brohm and Flynn. You have your opinion, and I have mine.

by KDawg on Jul 20, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haha

Haha sorry I was so confused about your post, and the talk about U of M, and then Stanton beating MSU. But I am curious about one thing.. Flynn and Brohm both could potentially become starting QB’s in the NFL one day (though it probably won’t be for us) so do you think he will eventually become the same? And if so why didn’t you guys just go with him instead if drafting Stafford?

by packallday555 on Jul 21, 2009 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That is the 6 million dollar question man.....

I do think Drew Stanton could surface as a starter elsewhere. I am one person who does not feel that Drew Stanton has had a fair shot in Detroit. That may not be the popular opinion around here, but it is mine. Why did we draft Stafford if we had a guy on the roster who could be the starter? I would speculate that it is because we had the #1 pick. I kept hearing "You can’t pass on the chance to draft a “franchise QB” if you have the number one pick and there is one available" prior to the 09 draft. Apparently the Lions FO felt that Matt Stafford was that kind of guy.

Drew Stanton was drafted in the 2nd round in 2007….to be a backup to Kitna. We had J.T. O’Sullivan at the time, and J.T. ended up being #2 behind Kitna with Stanton getting injured in the pre-season. In 08 we had 5 different QBs on the roster at various times (Kitna, Orlovsky, Culpepper, Stanton, and Henson). Kitna was the obvious starter at the beginning of 08, but when Orlovsky took over I didn’t understand why Stanton didn’t get his chance.

The knock on Stanton seems to be his ability to throw a tight spiral (which is really odd), which had made him inconsistent in practices. I think it could be a confidence issue….which is in turn a coaching issue.

by KDawg on Jul 21, 2009 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow

I didn’t know you guys used a 2nd round pick on Stanton. I guess I don’t understand the drafting of Stafford then. I mean Stanton is only 2 years in, and from what you’ve told me he hasn’t ever gotten a fair chance. A QB most of the time, needs more then 2 years to reach his full potential, and needs to start a fair amount of guys in order to get that experience. Now that you took Stafford it’s kind of like tossing Stanton, and the second round pick you used to draft him right down the drain.

From what I’ve gathered since being on this blog, it sounds like your biggest weakness is at the o-line position. You would think since this years draft was so talented at the o-line position, you either would have taken J. Smith at #1 or traded down and taken A. Smith or Monroe. Especially since there were questions as to whether or not Stafford was really ready to go to the NFL. I guess there is nothing anyone can do about it now though, hopefully for the front office’s sake Stafford produces.

by packallday555 on Jul 22, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry Sean, but I really liked the pick at the time

And I am a Wolverines fan all the way……

I remember thinking Stanton was a guy who always found a way to win. I watched him make Chris Leak look pathetic before the draft that year too. Stanton was more accurate and more mobile than any QB in that competition…..I wish I could remember what competition it was….lol

Again, I think he has not had the proper coaching or a fair chance to prove himself worthy of being the starter in Detroit.

by KDawg on Jul 22, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Based on needs at the time, it was a terrible pick

The one player I wanted the most was David Harris, as he would have instantly stepped up as our MLB (like he is now for the Jets). If we were going to get a QB, we would have been better off waiting. Look at Trent Edwards. He didn’t go until the end of the third-round and is already a starter in this league.

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by Sean Yuille on Jul 23, 2009 3:51 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That is a perfect example

I would be willing to bet that Drew Stanton would be the starter in Buffalo right now, if he were there competing with Edwards (and Losman previously). Like I said, he hasn’t been given a chance in Detroit and his talent has been wasted by poor coaching to this point.

by KDawg on Jul 23, 2009 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The problem with Stanton and his second round draft status. The Lion’s coaching, even up to this point, doesn’t believe he has the talent to be a starter.

Which I think is CRAP. If you really want to see what a guy has, put him in a Real situation with Real opposition(more than once of course). Then let the adrenaline rush take hold. That’s what I see in Drew.

Prohibition never changes the demand, it only changes the supplier.
-Barry Cooper

by BIGWalt2990 on Jul 22, 2009 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

I feel that they just have not drawn that special quality out of him yet….maybe they never will.

by KDawg on Jul 22, 2009 8:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Glad you took back that comment Rev

It took a Smoker to beat Michigan last, if you call that a victory that is. I know all sparty fans are calling it a victory but every mich fan still remembers how the clock beat us that year. Oh to all sparty fans the Maise and Blue will be back by next year take that to the bank! you have 1 more year of possibly beating us then the door closes again.

by davis0169 on Jul 24, 2009 2:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brian Brohm LOL..wow....

Thats what Corky from “Life goes on” told me to…

…haha…Brian Brohm.

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by CapitolLions on Jul 20, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Obviously NOT a Lions fan

At least you mentioned K Smith and Megatron….but seriously, start Jennings over C Johnson…REALLY? Do you watch the same games on Sunday that I do? And, honestly, I’m NOT that impressed with Forte; K Smith would have had as good a rookie season if he had had the same number of carries (which he would have, had not the Lions fallen behind so far IN EVERY GAME) and had started for every game.

by myPride on Jul 20, 2009 9:25 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Agree

With Megatron over Jennings though it’s hard for me to do haha. But Smith over Forte? I don’t think so. You must not have watched many Bears games if you weren’t impressed with Forte. He is an all-around solid back, and probably a top 5 RB in the league.

by packallday555 on Jul 21, 2009 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I have to agree with you based on last season

Smith showed a lot of promise and I have big hopes for him, but Forte was a beat last year.

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by Sean Yuille on Jul 21, 2009 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Smiths

potential has yet to be realized. Hopefully the OL picks up thier play and the D picks up thier play. Smith didn’t start all the games last season and we were consistantly behind by more than 1 TD which forces us to pass more and run less. If things can be put together this year then Smith should show his true potential this year.

by shanndiggit on Jul 22, 2009 3:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I bet Kevin got a lot of rest though:) Defense being on the field so long..

by BIGWalt2990 on Jul 22, 2009 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The D

got rest to letting all those long bombs go for touchdowns. They shoulda been the est rested D in the league at the end of the year.

by shanndiggit on Jul 23, 2009 3:17 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think EVERY Lions starter should have been on this list...

…just for surviving that last horrible season (and that was our LAST horrible season) and coming back to play for another year. I have always told my children, when encountering “adversity” and faced with the prospect of giving up/in, that I would keep trying so long as the Lions are still playing football.

by myPride on Jul 20, 2009 9:28 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

http://cmufootball.blogspot.com/

by CapitolLions on Jul 20, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Only 4 lions should be on that list.

If we are going on last years stats. Megatron =no-brainer. Simms if not a starter then back-up. Hanson the only lion to score last year, joking there. And the man the beast Cherlilus. Thats it no one else from last years team should even be in the mix.

by davis0169 on Jul 24, 2009 2:45 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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