The Dark Side - A Realistic View of the 09 Season
by TCLion on Jul 20, 2009 6:20 AM EDT
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Week 1: @ New Orleans Score: NO 51 - DET 17 (Record 0-1)
Drew Brees has a banner day against the Lions patchwork secondary. Lions score two TD's in garbage time after falling behind 41-3 early in the fourth quarter. Culpepper is sacked 6 times and the Lions total 60 yards rushing.
Week 2: Minnesota Score: MIN 24 - DET 6 (Record 0-2)
Stafford gets his first start at home and is intercepted 4 times and sacked 5 times. Brett Farve and Adrian Peterson dominated the time of possession to the tune of 40 minutes. The game is closer than the final score indicates, but the Vikings win.
Week 3: Washington Score: WAS 42 - DET 13 (Record 0-3)
Jason Campbell comes into his own and "The Hogs" are back leading a punishing running game. A tenacious Redskins D yields only 56 yards rushing and intercepts Stafford twice. The rookie does throw his first TD pass to Maurice Morris during garbage time.
Week 4: @ Chicago Score: CHI 14 - DET 10 (Record 0-4)
A very close game, but the Bears D force Dennis Northcutt to cough it up on their 5 yard line, returning the fumble for a TD. CJ pulls his hamstring and is out 3-6 weeks.
Week 5: Pittsburgh Score: PIT 38 - DET 10 (Record 0-5)
The Steelers look every inch the defending champs. Schwartz wisely chooses to start Culpepper here, and watches him get sacked seven times before exiting early in the 3rd with a concussion. Lions get 48 positive rushing yards as Kevin Smith desperately tries not to get tackled during the handoff.
Week 6: @ Green Bay Score: DET 24 - GB 21 (OT) (Record 1-5)
The Lions stun the Packers for their first win under sunny skies at Lambeau. Stafford looks sharp, and Kevin Smith reels off his first 100 yard game of the season. The defense shows up in the crunch. Schwartz wisely takes the ball after winning the toss, instead of the wind.
Week 7: BYE
Week 8: St. Louis Score: DET 35- STL 24 (Record 2-5)
The Lions build off their improbable win in Lambeau, taking down the Rams in a game where CJ returns to receive 150 yards and 3 TD's, Kevin Smith turns in another 100 yard game with a TD. The victory comes at a cost though, as Stafford get a concussion late in the 4th and is out 3-6 weeks.
Week 9: @ Seattle Score: SEA 31 - DET 24 (Record 2-6)
A soggy Seattle field brings the Lions back to earth. The Lions lose Peterman, Simms, and Delmas to injuries. Culpepper has a decent game, but the defense can't stop Branch and Houzmenzadeh.
Week 10: @ Minnesota Score: MIN 49 - DET 17 (Record 2-7)
The Brett and Adrian show is rolling against a decimated Lions defense. Culpepper sustains a hip injury to the cheers of the crowd. Stanton steps in and has his first pass picked for a TD. Vikings limit Lions to 64 yards rushing.
Week 11: Cleveland Score: CLE 28 - DET 21 (Record 2-8)
In their closest game since Green Bay, a last minute sack and fumble recovery for a TD gives the Browns the win is a sloppily played game for both teams. Grady, Foote, and Buchannon are lost to injuries.
Week 12: Green Bay Score: GB 52 - DET 7 (Record 2-9)
Ryan Grant up the middle becomes the stuff of nightmares. When the Lions commit 9 to the box to stop his, Rogers takes his time finding his deep targets. Raiola and White are lost for the season.
Week 13: @ Cincinnati Score: CIN 35 - DET 10 (Record 2-10)
Stafford returns to action, but is watching the game from the sidelines or on his back, as he is sacked 6 times and watches Cedric Benson do his best Walter Payton impersonation. Ochocinco displays a new end zone celebration. Pettigrew breaks his collarbone and is sent to the Charles Rogers rehab center for further evaluation.
Week 14: @ Baltimore Score: BAL 24 - DET 0 (Record 2-11)
Lions gather 12 yards rushing on 26 attempts. Stafford suffers his second concussion. The Ravens rack up 160 yards rushing, 10 sacks and 3 INT's.
Week 15: Arizona Score: ARI 35 - DET 9 (Record 2-12)
The wheels start falling off as many in the starting lineup weren't on the team to start the season. Stanton goes down with a broken throwing shoulder, Henson returns and throws a duck to CJ that ends up getting him clocked.
Week 16: @ San Francisco Score: SF 18 - DET 3 (Record 2-13)
Lions Defense doesn't allow a TD, but can't score one either. Culpepper returns to action, but after 4 sacks, is forced to leave with a high ankle sprain. Kevin Smith tears his ACL.
Week 17: Chicago Score: CHI 38 - DET 21 (Record 2-14)
Stafford returns for the final game of the year, but is kept on thesidelines by a cautious coaching staff. Jay Cutler delivers a remarkable performance against a decimated Lions defense. Lions secure the 2nd overall pick in front of a crowd of 35,000.
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we have a true Lions fan here. Sarcasm anyone? Glad someone form Traverse City (A guess here?) comes and shows such faith. And according to this all the Lions starters end up injured. What a great attitude. Can you go jump on some other teams band wagon like maybe the packers so I can hate you as much as I hate them?
Good Guess
Odds are I was a fan of this team when the best part of you was rolling off your daddy’s leg. Ever here of spellcheck?
Thank you.
I hope so Rev. I hope so
But he might of migrated south from the UP and be a packers fan. Keep an eye on him boys! ;-( There I got 1 on him now.
RU a Lions fan TC? REALLY?
Don’t make me again define the difference (as previously quoted from Webster’s) between a “device to move (hot) air” and one who “{consistantly/habitually} believes…despite, or in contrary to information (or opinion)….WITHOUT CRITICISM”
TWO WINS!!!!?
Obviously one of the Lions “faithless”.
I BELIEVE IN MY LIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The incredible SCHWARTZIAN 360 is already underway. At this moment, we are poised on the brink of greatness (again). After decades of being pushed around the league, laughed (and worse) at by fans, run down by all those professional anal-ists (very few of whom look like they have EVER played a snap of organized football), and being the example of what NOT to do with a franchise, we are due our comeuppance. The league will tremble at the advent of the ‘Age of Pride’, and well they should….PAYBAX R AN ITCH!!!!!!!!!
GET READY TO ROAR TILL YOUR THROATS ARE SORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
pfft! I scoff at your pessimism, TCLion
So we don’t have the depth during the mother-of-all-rebuilding-years to easily overcome an unexpected rash of injuries to our starting squad, including all three quarterbacks, CJ, Simms, Delmas, Peterman among others. no surprise.
And all those sacks—where are they coming from? Our O-Line isn’t terrible. They just need an experienced coaching staff that doesn’t send conflicting messages about where to block, and they can play well enough. Also, if you didn’t notice, we added some good veteran depth at both Tackle spots, Gosder’s bulked up and is no longer a rookie (watch for some punishment outa him this year), and we just drafted the single best blocking tight end in the entire draft.
2-14 won’t happen. Our coaches are smarter than the last bunch—they’ll actually make the necessary adjustments and scheme better so we can win the games that we have a shot at. And even if we did go 2-14, it’d be a 2-game improvement over last year, and it would show us crystal clear what our biggest glaring holes are. Plus, we get to ride the high of a 2-game win streak, so thanks for that, too.
We’ll be able to pick up some pretty good guys at #2, #34, and #66 next April. Some combination of OT, CB, DT. Then we’ll have a young core of players from ‘09 and ’10 that are poised to dominate for the next decade. I know I’ll be feeling optimistic after that kind of offseason.
If you want despair, you’re in the wrong place. Real Lions fans immune to it by now.
It’s been my experience that when the losses begin to mount, the Lions starters get “injured”. And if you want to know how well our offensive coaches adjust, look at Bulger’s sacks the last couple years, and they with a better O-Line.
2-14 is a real possibility. I hope it doesn’t happen, but we shall see.
Thank you.
Normally I support the right of Free Speech and will also in this case.
However, my opinion is that this is one of the stupidest posts [ and that covers a lot of ground my friend ] I have seen on this site. Is it possible that TCLion is in fact RalphGoBlue after he has been off his meds for a week or so?
IS IT RALPHIE?
I
DO NOT
KNOW
IF IT is
RALPHgoBlue.
pErhaps it is.
"Sometimes Joe (morgan) doesn't like facts to get in the way of his opinions."- billy beane
"That was a great pick...if this was 2002" Me, to guy who selected Barry Zito in a fantasy draft
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by harendaman365 on Jul 20, 2009 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes, I had forgotten his idiosyncratic posting style.
That just added to the enjoyment of reading his musings.
by NorthLeft12 on Jul 20, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
The same guy who posted under my name before....
When I was sleeping…..LOL! You conservatives should love him…..he is a Republican…..LMAO!!
Oh and by the way.....
He has an IQ of over 160…..so watch out on the “stupid” comments…..the man is a genius.
I make sure I called the Post Stupid, Not the person.
Intelligent people do stupid things all the time. If you don’t believe me….just read or watch the news.
Stupid is as stupid does....
Forgive me for quoting Forrest Gump, but it is true. You say that something someone says is stupid, and you are making an implication, like it or not.
Um
IQ tests go to 145.
I hope he didn’t get the extra 15 points because of his amazing prognostication abilities.
by ATL Lion on Jul 21, 2009 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ah yes, the esteemed Eskimo IQ test
You can find all sorts of “IQ Tests” out there that score people up to crazy high numbers, but these test are not valid or reliable. It takes a lot of effort (ie, people) to norm an IQ test and getting reliability out past 2 or 3 standard deviations is very costly (2 sd = 130, 3sd = 145).
If your friend got an IQ score of 160 he either
A) was fed a line of BS by the person giving him the test. No psychometrist would tell someone they had a score of 160. They would instead tell them something like “your IQ is too high to be measured with this instrument”. Which, by the way, is much cooler to say if you are trying to impress someone with how high your IQ is. Or,
B) took some crappy online test that caters to ego-heads who want to tell everyone how smart they are. Usually your score is followed by a “Congrats! You are smart enough to join Super Mensa! Please send your dues check to …” To me, the real IQ test there is if you are so up your own ass you would pay for a card to show other people how smart you think you are.
By the way, the test you linked has a top value with a probability of 1/11 billion. How do you think they normed an IQ test when there is less than 1 person on the planet with that high of an IQ? Doesn’t that seem a little fishy to you?
I see your point about the Eskimo data
But it is not true that a Mensa IQ test maxes out at 145. Mensa “accepts scores from approximately 200 different standardized intelligence tests”. http://www.mensafoundation.org/Content/AML/NavigationMenu/Join/SubmitTestScores/QualifyingTestScores/QualifyingScores.htm
I took one of the accepted tests, just to see what I would get. I scored 167 and was in the 98th percentile. So, your claim that “No psychometrist would tell someone they had a score of 160” is also false. Not to be a jackass either, but there is no such word as “psychometrist”….a psychometric is a " fact concerning an object or its owner through contact with or proximity to the object". http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/psychometry
A person who practices “psychometry” is known as a psychologist.
“Contrary to some noders’ proclamations, Mensa does not claim that its members are geniuses … because Mensans know better than that, of course. Genius I.Q.—depending upon the individual test—is generally considered around 160 or better; the top 2% is generally around 130 or better, again, depending upon which test is doing the measuring”. http://everything2.com/title/Mensa
I agree that paying for a card (which neither TCLion or I did) to show other people how smart you are is stupid. I am not a Mensa member, but even those people understand clearly that a high IQ does not mean you will use your intelligence in a manner conducive to shaping the perception of others to believing you are a genius. In fact, “Genius” is a term that is frowned upon by Mensa. "Victor Vladimirovich Serebriakoff, the co-founder and late Honorary International President of Mensa, has said on record….. “You must not use the word `genius’. If we are geniuses then there are over a million geniuses in Britain, which rather devalues the term”. http://everything2.com/title/Mensa
Look man…..all I was trying to say was that the comments saying the post was stupid, or that the poster was an idiot, are completely unfounded. When I said “He has an IQ of over 160”, I was speculating because I feel that he is equally intelligent as I am (if not smarter). I happen to know what my IQ was, according to the Mensa accepted test that I took. I do not claim to be anything more than a moron, as I think it is much better to let people determine my level of intelligence for themselves. A true genius would be able to answer the most important questions of the world (IE solving world hunger or the energy crisis etc). Nobody here can do that, or else it is likely that they would not be here.
To answer the last question you posed, “How do you think they normed an IQ test when there is less than 1 person on the planet with that high of an IQ?” I will tell you the simple truth. They didn’t. “The percentile for each I.Q. score was calculated using the Microsoft Excel function NORMDIST”. The data was calculated with a computer program…..I seriously doubt that anyone has an IQ of 202 (especially anyone currently alive).
I found this factoid interesting: “In the 20ies scientists had tried to estimate the IQ of deceased personalities such as Mozart (1756-1791) and Goethe (1749-1832) by means of biographic data; thus they wanted to estimate Albert Einstein’s IQ, too. The value estimated for Einstein was between 160 and 180. But this rough estimation can not count as Einstein’s IQ!” http://www.einstein-website.de/z_information/variousthings.html#iq
While I have a good understanding of Einstein’s Theory of Relativity, I do not contend that I could come up with a theory like that! His IQ must have been off the charts….even if his IQ were below 170, it really makes no difference. He used his intelligence in a very specific and focused manner. Could I learn astrophysics and do some of the things Einstein did? Maybe, maybe not. However, I bet there are things that I do better than he could have done. The point being that intelligence is subjective.
And now…..to keep this post relevant to this blog…..nobody’s level of intelligence can change the fact that everything we have an opinion on, pertaining to the Lions and the upcoming season, here is speculation. The same conclusion to previous arguments can still be used. Until we see what happens for real, we will not know for sure. Therefore the opinion of one person is no better than anyone else. My opinion is that it is possible for the Lions to win 8-9 games and win the division. TCLion’s opinion is that they will not win more than 2 games. 6 in one and half a dozen in the other.
I’ll let these guys know they are jackasses: www.napnet.org
Anyway, my point is that measuring IQ is very difficult. There have been—and still are—many people that say they can measure super high IQs. These people are peddling snake oil to other people who are desperate for validation (I KNEW I was the smartest kid in the world!).
Think about it: you were able to go online and in less than an hour you took a test that told you you had an IQ of 167/98th percentile. How long did it take you to take the GREs or the SATs? Hours. How was this test supposed to give you an accurate score in just a few questions? I’ll give you a hint: the test (if it is not just a quizboy game) is not very reliable. You can take it 10 times and get 10 very different scores. That is not how IQ works.
I know the guys norms you cited were extrapolated, but thats the point. To get tests that go past 3 sd the testers have to extrapolate their numbers rather than norm them. Essentially, they are guessing when they say 160. They don’t have enough data to be certain. Sure they could make a guess as to what your IQ is, but that would be about the same as trying to guess Einstein’s IQ or Mozart’s.
In the end, telling me you have an IQ of 160 tells me 2 things: 1- you are probably smart. 2- you are the kind of guy who is so into telling people you are smart you believed the snake oil some other guy sold you.
Back to the Lions and why we are here: This is all opinion and conjecture. We know that and we all enjoy opining and conjecturing. You are the one who called out how smart your buddy was and he is the one that spent most of his posts here telling other people how stupid they were. I’m just telling you both that even smart people can get fooled. And even smart people can be asses.
by ATL Lion on Jul 21, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
LOL
I stand corrected……see ATL….even I make mistakes! I try to learn something new everyday, and this is my item of the day. I have never heard of a psychometrist….
Just so you know…..I said I took a test that was accepted by Mensa…..not an online test. (By the way I never took the GRE or SAT, but I did take the ACT. All of those are timed tests, and you can’t get them done any quicker than anyone else taking them because, to the best of my knowledge, they do the exams in sections). However, I am not into telling people I am smart. I only did it here for the sake of argument. I agree that smart people can be asses….and they often are. I also agree that smart people can be fooled….we are human, and we are not omnipotent.
I am a person who is well educated and who has a good foundation of common sense. I’m not the brightest crayon in the box….I just call it like I see it. My friend defended himself. He was not the attacker. Just because his opinion was abject in the eyes of a lot of people here does not make him stupid or his opinion stupid. It is simply different.
I have respect for you ATL Lion…..I have agreed with you on many different points. Do you really think that the Mega Test is not reliable? I do agree that attempting to measure ones intelligence is practically useless, given the fact that intelligence involves so many different factors. However, an IQ test (such as the Mega Test or any of the other Mensa accepted IQ tests) does do a pretty good job at measuring the mental capacity and versatility of an individual. I also agree that a high IQ does not necessarily mean that a person is a genius…..but it does mean that they have a very versatile set of mental capabilities.
I took the test at age 17…..16 years ago. Times and tests have changed since then. I currently have no desire to take another IQ test, nor do I care if anyone is smarter than me or not. Marilyn vos Savant took the Mega Test at age 10 (almost 11) and her IQ was calculated to be 186 (99.9999999 percentile)…..it’s in the Guinness Book of World Records.
I won’t argue the Mega test (or any of the other terribly named high IQ tests) based on their methodology or sampling issues; people who want to believe in them will not be swayed by such arguments… even geniuses. Instead, look at the guy who designed the test. He has 4 or 5 other high IQ tests out there and the only use for the scores seems to be admission to one of the almost 10 high IQ societies that the same guy has started. I have to hand it to the guy, he has made a living conning money out of the smartest people he could find.
Think about this: you need scores on these high IQ tests to get into one of these groups. What is the point of the group? When was the last time Mensa solved a problem? Cured a disease? Did anything except circle jerk about how smart they think they are? Why is it that the smartest person in the world’s main occupation seems to be writing word puzzles for Parade magazine? Why isn’t she out curing cancer or solving world hunger? People caught up in how high their IQ is are just showing off how insecure they are about their own intellect.
I didn’t read this thread until there were a good 50 or so comments. I thought the prediction was a bit ridiculous, but whatever. Someone previously posted the same thing but going the other way and having us win the Superbowl. Both views are fine.
The issue was with the comments. So a lot of the commentor’s responses were that this was crap. That a guy comes to the board and his first post has us losing not only 14 games, but I think half of Detroit is destroyed in a fire (and the good half, too). Then your buddy starts to attack people for being younger, or stupid, or whatever. He is childishly calling people names. If you dig 2 or 3 responses deep, he actually has something to say about why he thinks the Lions will suck, but by the time he gets to that no one is listening anymore because he is too busy insulting them.
If you guys really believe that you were attacked by people for no reason and you don’t see why everyone got upset, then fine. We were all mean to the little troll and we are sorry. Maybe you can start a Mensa Lions Blog and not have to deal with us morons anymore.
by ATL Lion on Jul 22, 2009 9:30 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Let me add
I do respect you Kdawg. You are usually on spot with your comments and always have facts to back them up. I think that is one reason I wrote so much above; I was amazed you spent so much energy defending your friend while he trolled this post. If some random person came her and acted this way you would have been the first to call them on their BS.
TCLion, I still have hope that this was just your way of making a splash jumping in the pool. I hope you are not going to be the guy who just makes disparaging comments about everyone else. You had some insightful comments once you got all your insults out of the way. I hope to hear more of the comments and fewer of the insults.
I agree with you
Like I said before, I didn’t join any high IQ group and I agree that those types of “societies” are ridiculous.
As far as me being attacked…..I do not think anyone was attacking me personally. As far as TCLion getting attacked…..the posts speak for themselves. You see a person attack him, and him defend. Yeah, maybe he furthered the level of immaturity with his rebuttals, but in my opinion he was (and is) fighting fire with fire.
There is no need to continue to make insulting comments about any involvement with Mensa, or how we think that any of you are morons. I do not think that at all (however I can not speak for him), and I laugh at high IQ societies, just like you. If you take a trip down memory lane here, since I started posting on this site, there was a time when I was far less optimistic and much more bitter at the draft choices the Lion’s FO made this year. In fact, you can credit Drew for turning me around a bit on that.
I defended my best friend. I do not agree with his predictions or his pessimism, but that is his prerogative. If people were so upset and taken aback by what TCLion said, then they should have scoffed and moved on to another thread. Instead they invite an argument by posting and making derogatory comments toward the poster, rather than making a solid argument against his prediction, based on fact or statistical data. They attack the poster and not the post. It is the age old problem that has always been going on here since I found this site.
I do see why his prediction would (and did) upset a lot of people on this site. Nobody here likes to think about the negative side of possibility when it comes to our beloved team. However, I think it should be 100% fine to post your true opinion and express your true feelings, without being asked to “jump on another team’s bandwagon” so they can be hated as much as the rest of the fans on said bandwagon (I have nothing but respect for you Shan, please don’t take this comment personally), without having his/her fandom questioned, without their post being called “one of the stupidest posts they have seen”, and without being compared to a real DUMAS like Ralph. On that note, I could see it as fair if in fact TCLion were posting idiotic stats and making up websites that do not exist. I could also see it if his post was not purely opinion and if it was written in an unintelligible manner. However, I feel that he wrote out his opinion in a clear and concise manner, and the main reason it upset anyone was because they did not find his “dark humor” to be in the least bit funny.
Brad (TCLion) is not a troll. He might be negative, pessimistic, and opinionated, but a real troll is someone who comes in from another fan base just to stir up the pot, or they are someone like RalphGoBlue who simply doesn’t get it. I am sorry if any of you guys can’t understand why I am defending him, but the simple fact is that he is just stating his views and opinions, albeit incorporating dark humor that was obviously not appreciated.
And I should add
Not EVERYONE here was attacking TCLion. I think everyone could take an example from Hyperion Ecta and n4ry4. While they disagreed with what TCLion had to say, they were respectful in their disagreement and subsequent comments.
You are correct that I would have been one of the first to smack down any idiot that made a stupid comment here. However, TCLion does not even compare to RalphGoBlue or any other poster of the sort.
I think TC is a Buckeye fan
Don’t smack me please.
Prohibition never changes the demand, it only changes the supplier.
-Barry Cooper
I actually like TCLion being here
Sometimes having someone who brings a negative to our positives can be good. Gives the site a balance. As you said, he is no Raplhie.
Plus, if we do go well, you can rub it in their faces a little ;)
2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).
by Hyperion Ecta on Jul 22, 2009 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions
no ralphie oh brother
Rev he isn’t a buckeye fan is he???? That woud put a strain on my odd comments, that I just could not hold back.
Ralphie is your best friend?!
And here I had high hopes for you, KDawg! :)
I do have to say this is a ridiculous post. I don’t want to hear about anyone getting injured, even in jest (ok, maybe Favre or Vick, but that’s it). Lions go 6-10.
"A child of five would understand this. Send someone to fetch a child of five." ~Groucho Marx
I think that the Lions will
beat the Vikings and Favre. If he ends up choking at the end of the season that will be a definite win in week 10. A lot of those other games are winnable. It isn’t the easiest schedule but it doesn’t matter what those teams did last year. It is a whole new season. Therefore I’m slightly more optimistic. But realism isn’t a bad thing, it isn’t a popular thing either.
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by dolphinsinbuffalo on Jul 20, 2009 12:19 PM EDT reply actions
I really don't care if he predicts the Lions will only win TWO games. Anything is possible.
If you look at his scores and sack totals and injuries it adds up to a whole lot of stupid.
Average score Lions 14 Opponents 33
Maybe it is meant as a joke. Maybe he really believes it. But labelling it REALITY is too much for me.
by NorthLeft12 on Jul 20, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm just really hoping the Lions have a good season
I didn’t read all of it because I’m hoping the exact opposite
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by dolphinsinbuffalo on Jul 20, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree with that
At the end of last season I could see two wins as being realistic, but a realistic view now is more like 4-6 wins. 7 or 8 is being optimistic, and 10 or more is being drunk on Kool-Aid, not that that’s a bad thing.
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Yeah there really is hope
I think the Lions have it in them. I’ve said it so many times before but it can happen. I am going to have to go with the borderline drunk on Kool-Aid view and hope for 9 wins.
Bodyguard of the Official Matty I Fan Club.
by dolphinsinbuffalo on Jul 20, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Again guys....
He is joking. His sarcasm is dark humor. “Pettigrew breaks his collarbone and is sent to the Charles Rogers rehab center for further evaluation”.
I guess knowing the guy who wrote the post makes a difference, but I assure you (while everything he wrote is POSSIBLE, however improbable) he is joking.
Hey "Pope Sean Paul"
I know that I’m over the top when it comes to my beleaving that we are going to win the division and all, but why on the kool-aid? If you look at the road games this year you can only count 2 that we “on paper” should not be in. We should be at least concidered in all home games and the other road games against the west for sure. Winning is contagious and if we get off to a descent start 10 wins shouldn’t be all that hard to do. Other teams are going to have injuries and suspensions to players just like we are.
I consider predicting 10 wins drinking the Kool Aid because that is by beyond being conservative with regards to a prediction
I can understand why there is some optimism, but I just need to see something on the field before I can be confident in them winning more than a few games. Sure, the offseason looks good on paper, but let’s see what they have on the field before going too high with our confidence.
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AMEN to THAT!
I have said that it is possible that the Lions COULD win 8-9 games this year. That is just as possible as them going 2-14. Nobody here knows for sure, and I think it is good to see someone else post here who has a different opinion. It keeps it interesting. Until we see the Lions in action vs the Saints in week 1, everything that ANYONE says is 100% possible. Just because some of you might not like it, or disagree with it, does not make it any less intelligent than what you post.
Damn congegation.
Or something like that. I am happy to see all this chatter on the POD reguardless of what your brother seems to think about this years chances.If he is right though and we have another dreadful year. That just means we can star all this over again next offseason, when we don’t draft a tackle on the o-side or D-side of the ball next year.Knowing the lions history of (Odd) early picks, what would you guys say hmmmm I’m thinking Safety again next year.
Yes
But what would they do if they did happen to lose all 3 QBs to injury? They would be forced to sign someone who is willing to play, no matter the situation. Henson fits the bill.
I'd say they would sign J.P. Losman
Last time I checked he was a free agent and he was a decent QB for the Bills and is definetly out of Henson’s league.
"There's no substitute for guts."
-- Paul "Bear" Bryant
You must have forgotten the D has gotten better
Most of your games has the other teams scores in the high 30s . The only team I see cracking a 40 burger is New Orleans. I mean 42 to the Deadskins give me a break. A Farve included Vikngs getting 49 points? It was around week 10 when the old man fell back to earth last year and one of the best Cs in the game in Matt Burke is gone so trim a couple scores off that one. You want to give the Browns 3 offensive TDs in one game? They couldn’t score 1 in 6 games! Another thing that gave me a feeling that your Nostradamus is that you’re predicting so much. I mean youre making it seem like the lions are infested with the injury bug. Get more optimistic and get some KOOL-AID!!!!
"There's no substitute for guts."
-- Paul "Bear" Bryant
Hey Man.....You In Traverse?
Good to see another TC lion fan in here…..Thought I was the only one!!!
by BennieBladesFan on Jul 20, 2009 2:20 PM EDT reply actions
Try being the only one in the state of Maryland!
http://cmufootball.blogspot.com/
by CapitolLions on Jul 20, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I Like....
….What youve done….however I think the lions wont be giving up that mnay pts per game…..the main reason….Special teams…..we drafted guys that will play on Special teams right away……this will help…..Instead off the other team staring at midfield…..now they will start around the 30 35……this at least gives the def a chance to hold the opostion to a fg instead of no chance of stioping at all……This is why the team will be better this year.
by BennieBladesFan on Jul 20, 2009 2:22 PM EDT reply actions
I don't like this at all TC.
You went through a lot of time predicting all of those games.
Well I predict Sammy Hill will stuff the run, Delmas will injure 3 or more players, the Offensive line will dominate, Stafford will be rookie of the year, and the Lion’s will win a Wildcard spot.
And I predict your fingers will be sore after defending yourself with this “2-14” proclamation.
Interesting prediction
Far too many injuries and far too many defensive lapses. I think we will be more competitive than you make out. Not much more I can add since everyone else has posted their feelings which cover most of mine.
2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).
Hey just letting everyone know this is F-millen under a new name........
But now to this garbage attempt at a season prediction. So according to this genius by the end of week 12 we will only have 5 players left from the defense that started the season. Dude I can tell you right now that no team will sustain that many injuries. As for the actual game predictions the lions will not I repeat will NOT get blown out by the vikings. Thats just something the vikings can’t do. They have a garbage offense and a bad secondary. They just aren’t equipped to blow any teams out. Also the lions will not get blown out that many times and will not average 20 yds. rushing a game as you predict. And by the way how many concussions do you think Stafford can sustain in one season geez.
Garbage... Just Garbage
I dont care if he was just joking. It is in very bad taste. TC Lion you can change your name to TC Packers or TC Bears. It would have about the same effect. You came on to a Lions fans blog. And told us Lions fans that the Lions will suck again. Just about all of us True Lions Fan believe in a turn around this year. And youmake a fan post of basic " Trash talk".
Hey, I call it like I see it suzie cruizie. I certainly hope that I’m wrong, but I’m usually right, it’s ok, you’ll get used to it.
By the way, being a true fan is not turning a blind eye to Captain Ahab and whistling a showtune while he hunts his whale. Once in awhile it requires opening your eyes and standing up for something better. Call me Ishmael.
Thank you.
trend
its the easy thing to lion-bash. youre an idiot and will look like one by week 4.culpepper not even going to start week 1, do your homework jack
slow down J $later
I think that Dr. Pepper is going to the Pro-bowl this year as the lions first in decades, but there is alot of scuttle-butt about how good staff has been in the OTA’s. If he comes out in training camp and lights it up with megatron. . . . . . .There will be no Dr.Peppers, don’t care how good Culpizzle would look.
Culpepper will start week 1
And I bet he isn’t unseated by Stafford until after the bye week….if at all. It’s just as easy to sit back and type “The Lions are going 16-0” as it is to say “The Lions are going 0-16”. Why don’t you try attacking the post instead of the poster J $later?? Your post only makes you look like the idiot in my opinion.
You know
KDAWG I have to say I am disappointed in you in one aspect. If this was anyone other than your best friend you would be all over them like white on rice. But I appluad your loyality to your friend. Not many friends are as loyal. I find myself many times looking for certina people that post becuase they have intelligent things to say. You are one of these posters. Now I may not be the smartest guy on here. I do only have a HS education and have been in the Army for 12 years with no college education. But there is only so much sarcasm or joking a person should could or would take. And for a first time post this post is over the top. Maybe the guy doesn’t care. IDK you do. But this post is completely offensive in every manner to put on a lions site. If this was ralph you would have slapped him down in a matter of seconds. If this was drew you would have debated this for weeks. But becuase it is your friend you defend him and make yourself look like a hypocrite. But like I said your loyality is commendable.
Can't help it
You guys don’t know him…..and some are judging based on an opinion. Like I said before, I do not agree with what he wrote here either. His intent was to garner a strong response though….looks like it worked.
It is unfortunate that you think I look like a hypocrite…..but I grew up with TCLion, and he’s like a brother to me. If everyone here was as good a friend to me as he is, I would back them too.
I think the guy got as strong as a response as he did because you vouched for him
Had you not stepped in on his behalf and if your standing on the board is not as high as it is, this post would probably have 1/10 the response it has gotten.
Which from the looks of things.......
………would still be 10 times more interesting than most of what I’ve seen thus far. That’s the problem when all speak with one voice, it’s very blase’, to the point where you actually do start believing David Koresh, or that a suicide in conjuntion with a comet is actually not such a bad idea. But hey, don’t let me disturb your pleasant sheep mentality with original thought.
Thank you.
I don't think
you are a hypocrite. You have stood by all you opinions before and not wavered. But this thread makes it look like it. My question is where is drew lol. I would to hear his thoughts on this.
Why TCLion
I can understand you being a smart-azz person and all. And after reading your posts too this point, I gotta wonder what side of the genious line do you fall?In one thread your seem very smart and then in the next thread you are a pompus jerk. Just stick too 1 side of the force there little buddy from the great up north, and I can except you for what you are. But when you waiver from side too side I can’t deside if I like you or not. And my first name is Scotty not Scott for the simple fact that I’m not a serious person and Scott"y" fits my personality better. So if you want to call names and be an unintelligent person like with the Bishop, you can call me Scotty Potty all day long and it wont faze me 1 bit.
TCLion
You’ve received quite a backlash here, and it’s probably deserved. However, I’m interested in your proper opinion. KDawg, a respected member here has defended you and claimed this post as a joke. Could you maybe then offer a proper prediction with some reasons as to why your prediction is what it is? Would maybe clear up some of this mess.
2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).
Unless you bring in players exclusive to the system you are going to run, you face a learning transition period that makes reactions a half second slower. The Lions have chosen to bring in free agents from almost every system except for the ones they are going to run.
They failed to adress properly their two most glaring holes in the offseason, CB and O-Line. Coupled with system transition and a lack of talent to start with, and you have the makings of an ugly cocktail. It’s clear by the way they drafted, to me at least, that they consider this a blowoff year. They are going to use this year to implement their systems, get players familiar, and look towards adressing needs next year.
I doubt there are more than five teams in the whole league where Backus would be a starting Left Tackle. I doubt any team in the league would have been dumb enough to offer Raiola a contract extension for the amount they did. It says volumes when the guy they wanted between those two, Dockery, turned down more money from the Lions flat to go to Washington.
I think this is going to be a more difficult year than many people here envision, and I can’t help but shake my head, because I don’t think it had to be this way. I hope I’m proven wrong, because I would someday like to take my nephew to a Lions game and see them win. I just have to question the approach they have used as being fundamentally unsound. I dearly hope I’m proven wrong, but I have a sneaking suspicion I won’t be.
Thank you.
My take...
Week 1: @ New Orleans Score: NO 28 – DET 14 (Record 0-1)
Tough road opener, but we actually play better than score shows. We get 2 rushing TD’s and control the clock, keeping Brees time on field lower than usual. A Reggie Bush ret TD and 2 Lions redzone TO’s doom us.
Week 2: Minnesota Score: MIN 17 – DET 20 (Record 1-1)
Dante hooks up with CJ for two TD’s. AP gets 100yds, but only one TD. And Delmas picks off Favre in the 4th qtr to preserve the win.
Week 3: Washington Score: WAS 10 – DET 17 (Record 2-1)
Both teams come out smash mouth running. Portis and Smith both get 100 yds and a TD. Pettigrew sneaks across the middle to grab the game winning TD late.
Week 4: @ Chicago Score: CHI 31 – DET 9 (Record 2-2)
Our first ugly game. Cutler lights it up in the first half, and Forte closes us out in the second half. Dante throws 2 picks, and the D looks out of synch all game.
Week 5: Pittsburgh Score: PIT 27 – DET 24 (Record 2-3)
We lose a heartbreaker after playing a great game. Our D plays TOUGH! And Kevin Smith runs for 145 yds and 2 TD’s. Santonio Holmes returns a late punt for a TD to steal one from us.
Week 6: @ Green Bay Score: DET 13 – GB 21 (Record 2-4)
GB wins the trenches – and wins a pretty boring game played on a rainy fall day.
Week 7: BYE
Week 8: St. Louis Score: DET 31- STL 10 (Record 3-4)
Lions come out smoking hot, and Dante throws a TD to each Johnson. Henry picks off and returns for TD. Stafford starts second half and throws a short TD to Smith.
Week 9: @ Seattle Score: SEA 17 – DET 13 (Record 3-5)
Aaron Curry makes us double think taking Stafford first, as he sacks Dante 5 times and gets a pick. Seattle’s offense does just enough to win…
Week 10: @ Minnesota Score: MIN 21 – DET 24 (Record 4-5)
Stafford starts! Plays well tossing TD’s to Pettigrew, Northcutt, and Smith.
Our LB’s shine and hold AP to just 79 yds rushing and no TDs.
Week 11: Cleveland Score: CLE 7 – DET 42 (Record 5-5)
Stafford lights up the Browns secondary for 4 TD’s in first half. Browns just never show up for the rest of the game…Whoa we’re a .500 team!!!
Week 12: Green Bay Score: GB 14 – DET 17 (Record 6-5)
Stafford looks sketchy all game, throws 2 picks. But hangs in there, and with a strong def performance to bail him out, manages a 4th qtr bomb to CJ to send the dejected Packers home.
Week 13: @ Cincinnati Score: CIN 30 – DET 20 (Record 6-6)
Defense gets lit by Carson Palmer early, Stafford gets pulled and Dante manages a mini comeback, but too little too late. Another ugly Lions road loss…
Week 14: @ Baltimore Score: BAL 20 – DET 12 (Record 6-7)
Stafford gets the start, and actually plays a decent game. Smith has a good day running, but the wily Ravens toughen up in the redzone and keep us to 4 Hanson FG’s. A tough loss because the whole Lions team plays a solid, mistake free game. The Ravens are just better…
Week 15: Arizona Score: ARI 31 – DET 21 (Record 6-8)
Beanie Wells makes Schwartz second guess not drafting him to the tune of 188 yds and 3 TD’s. A pair of late TD’s to Megatron go wasted…
Week 16: @ San Francisco Score: SF 17 – DET 34 (Record 7-8)
SF comes out flat, and Stafford makes them pay. Bryant Johnson goes for 140 rec yds but no TD’s. Pettigrew gets 2 cherry picks in the red zone, and Kevin Smith and Morris each run for TD’s.
Week 17: Chicago Score: CHI 37 – DET 6 (Record 7-9)
Remarkably, the Lions can make the playoffs with a win, and losses by GB, Falcons, and Giants. The point is moot as the Lions choke big time and Cutler torches us thoroughly…
All in all, a great year and a solid foundation for years to come!
you did pretty good
maybe NO scores more but barring injuries u hit it right on the hed
"There's no substitute for guts."
-- Paul "Bear" Bryant
Wow! Did I miss a doozy here!
I am so very, very disappointed that I didn’t get to join in this ruckus. Damn vacations! Oh well, I’ll try to weasel my way in from here and get my two cents in (I know… surprise, surprise, right?)
First, I think I got that it was a joke the first time I read it. But to be honest, I wasn’t completely sure. If it wasn’t a joke, I agree with most everyone that this is nonsense. However, as dark humor… okay, whatever. Not really my thing, but again… whatever.
Second, KDawg… are you going to feel the need to defend your “little brother” on every post and comment he makes? Not meaning to single you out, but you kind of did that for yourself. Are you guys going to tag-team every post from now on? I think your buddy can obviously handle himself and with that megabrain and uber-genius IQ, should be able to conjure up some brilliant rebuttals… although most of what I’ve seen so far reads as bratty sarcasm and cheap, personal jabs. Not the best way to get acquainted with his new fellow PODers.
That said, hopefully this is just a stumble out of the gates for you, TCLion, and that this post and subsequent comments aren’t a direct reflection of how you really are as a person or your feelings about the Lions. KDawg speaks very highly of you and I give that some credence. Although, I may have set our relationship (mine and KDawg’s) back a couple steps with my comments above. As always…. callin’ like I see it, right?
Anyway… count this as an official “welcome to the site” from yours truly.
Nah
We’re cool Drew….:o)
He is older than I am, lol, and yes he can handle his own. That does not change the fact that I love him (he is my brother, even if we do not share the same blood I still consider him family). If you knew me better, you would know that I will defend my family (right or wrong) no matter what the circumstances or consequences. I am a wild man in that aspect. Bring the fight to me or mine (family, friends, or the good ol USA) and you will get what you asked for. I’m a really nice guy, until you step across the line.
I once ran through over 30 people at a nightclub because I thought that someone might want a piece of my “little brother”…..LOL!!! I also went to jail the night before my real brother’s wedding because someone told him they were going to "kick his a** (I drug 11 bouncers around the bar that night). Nobody touches my family, and I’ll stake my name on that. I guess it is something my Dad instilled into me. He used to say to me, “What is your name??” If I said “Kale”, he would repeat himself until I yelled “STEVENS”! Then he would say, “And don’t you forget it”.
Could also be my military background
Even though I never served in the military, both of my Grandfathers did. One served in the Army during WWII in Germany, and the other served in the Marine Corp during the Korean War. I never knew my Grandpa who was in the Marines, but my Dad knew him well (he always said I should have been a Marine Corp drill Sergeant). My Dad’s Dad was a mountain of a man, who helped raise me. At 6’9" 325 lbs, my Grandfather could clean and jerk over 400 pounds when he was 65 years old. He was hard core….God rest their souls.
Probably too much extraneous info......
But the bottom line is that for some reason I have a real problem letting my loved ones take on an offensive…..when I feel like they are on the defensive, I go on the offensive. I guess I have issues.
Drew,,,
I’m happy to see ANY new p.o.d. contributors. They either add to our optimism, or they give us something to dispute.
Prohibition never changes the demand, it only changes the supplier.
-Barry Cooper
I am more than able to take care of myself
Both in conjecture and any other situation.
I am going to start a new thread to enlighten folks about my background.
Thank you.
Wow
What a depressing post. There’s accepting reality and then there’s hitting us over the head with too much reality. I’m expecting 5 wins, hoping for 7, and praying for 9. If all these players get injured and we only end up with 2 wins, I’ll be severely disappointed. This prediction would be, for me, the worst case scenario. How about some happiness there, Sunshine?
That’s not the worst, worst case…I won’t say It. I feel as if The Schwartz can handle this depressing situation we’re in.
I’m sorry to ask…I wasn’t a member of POD when Marinelli was hired.. Did everyone have the same optimism for Rod as we do for Jim?
Prohibition never changes the demand, it only changes the supplier.
-Barry Cooper
Thank you!
I just want to say thank you to the franchise and the fans of the lions. You provided a great laugh for the nfl fans so again thank you. We all need something to laugh at once in a while. 0-16 hahah. Dont worry the next superbowl you play in will i am sure be remarkable, maybe
Having done alot of work in western Pennsylvania
I have to ask, does your family tree resemble a telephone pole?
Thank you.
steelcity7612...
I read your SBNation profile. Ummm… question? Are you F***in retarded? I mean. When you took the bus to school. Was yours the short yellow one? NIce little insight to who you are from your write-up " I hate the trees" blah blah blah… " And I like your yahoo ID. Italianstallion7612. You un-original prick. I did not know an I.Q could be measured in negative numbers. So go back to Pittsburgh. And get double team from Big Ben and Hines ward. I am sure it will be remarkable to you.
WOW BISHOP WOW!
I don’t think I need to add to that. But the sheep did say he was ba aa aa aad roll in the hey.
Davis
I went to the Steelers blog. And our friend steelercity, has made two fan post. And nobody has yet to even commemt on them. That is, I think, is reason he came here.
For me
Pittsburgh and Chicago are 2 towns that I absolutely love to visit but I absolutely can’t stand their teams or some of their less intelligent fans.
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