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Primary Concerns for the Secondary

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Disclaimer: Hopefully, it's not too early in the year for a little X's and O's.  I just want to put it out there before anyone reads this article that I've never been a coach, don't profess to be a coach and certainly don't boast that I have a complete understanding of NFL schemes.  That said, I watch and breakdown a lot of game footage and have amassed a nice film compilation over the years (yes... quite pathetic).  As I was writing this, I realized this was going to be more than a tad lengthy if I wanted to cover all my points, so reader beware!.  As you will find, this one is a bit of a marathon, so bear with me as I attempt to analyze a troublesome area of the Lion's defense.

So as you might have guessed from the title, my primary concern for the 2009 Lions (at least defensively) is the shape of the secondary.  A close second for me would be the defensive line, and to be fair, I feel that the line's pressure (or lack thereof) directly affects the secondary.  The longer a quarterback has to make decisions, the better chance a receiver has to find a breach in coverage.  So in essence, no pass rush equals more headaches in coverage.  Maybe it's a wash in terms of which is needed more, a good line or good coverage, but in my opinion, one definitely affects the other.

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So the big question is: what is Schwartz going to do with the suspect talent he has back there?  That was Marinelli's thing you know... getting the most out of "less skilled" players by simply applying a new scheme that "supposedly" works to the player's advantage.  How did that work out?  Alright, I'll ease up on the sarcasm against Marinelli, but it's probably deserved.  And I guess it's quite fair to say that Schwartz is in the same boat with the current secondary and that it's a subjective point of view in regards to the talent level.  Through my eyes, there is not really much talent or depth there right now (aside from Delmas and maybe Buchanon) and Schwartz's mentality is basically the same... install a new defense and try to get the best out of the talent that is there.  So, can he succeed where Marinelli failed?  To take a pre-season stab at answering that question, you've got to get down to the X's and O's of each man's defensive philosophy. 

Tampa 2 under Marinelli

Let's first take a little trip down memory lane with a hindsight view of Marinelli's '08 defense and where it failed.  Any talk of Marinelli's schemes forces us to rehash the "hated and dated" Tampa 2 system.  The fundamentals of this scheme are based on speed, timing and placement.  The flaw was that Marinelli thought that if he had a fast player, he could simply teach the timing and placement of the scheme through repetition (or by "pounding the rock"... sorry, had to say it).  Where he also flat-out failed was that he was taking away many players' strengths simply to adapt to the scheme - versus adapting a scheme to work to a player's strengths.  Maybe that was Millen's failure in not getting good skill-to-scheme transferable players.  It's all semantics at this point, nonetheless.  Last year, the starting line-up consisted of (for the most part) Leigh Bodden, Travis Fisher and Brian Kelly at corner and Daniel Bullocks, Dwight Smith and Kalvin Pearson at safety.  There were others that got playing time, but we'll focus on these for the sake of simplicity.  How Marinelli used these players is an interesting study into why the system failed so badly.

The base formation of the Tampa 2 secondary is like most other 4-3 alignments.  Two corners out wide on the flanker and split end receiver positions and two safeties playing the traditional strong and free roles of most base 4-3 defenses.  The corners, who play in a zone setting nearly all of the time, line up anywhere from 5-10 yds (sometimes farther) from the receiver.  Their job is to simply cover an area of the field around 10-20 yds from the line of scrimmage, thus the name... zone.  The safety's job is to read and react to what the offense is giving them in order to be the support over the top of the corners on passing downs or to break down to the ball in the event of a running play.  The philosophy of the Tampa 2 from the secondary's perspective is to deter and not give up big plays.  Obviously, this is a very basic overview of the Tampa 2 and is really not much different from many zone-heavy schemes based on the traditional 4-3 alignment.  But in all fairness, Marinelli didn't break from this core philosophy very often.  The core philosophy of the Tampa 2 calls for pressure using mainly the front four to allow for all seven other defenders to be able to drop back and cover specific zones.  Only under intense scrutiny did he start to blitz more, even when his front four failed repeatedly to get pressure on the quarterback.  And the problem was - very obviously - that the pressure wasn't getting to the quarterback and the defense was constantly caught out of position because the players either didn't trust the scheme enough to have proper placement or they didn't have the talent to stay with the receivers.  Speed is not the same as cover ability.  Either way, Marinelli simply failed to adjust in-game to take pressure off the secondary.

So how did the '08 players fit in relation to their assignments?  Good question.  Bodden should have been the most talented corner on the field last year.  Instead, he was a non-factor.  Brian Kelly and Dwight Smith each played in the Tampa 2 system for nearly ten years and Fisher had been in it the year before.  Pearson had experience in the system in Tampa.  Bullocks was coming off injury, but showed some promise in his rookie year in the system.  So why did this defense fail so miserably?  A simplified answer could be that either the scheme simply did not suit the player or the player didn't have the skills needed anymore.  

Leigh Bodden

Of these players, Bodden was the most disappointing.  I personally believe that the failure was in not correctly using Bodden, not that he didn't have talent.  Bodden's breakout season in '07 came within the confines of Crennel's 3-4 scheme, which relies heavily on man coverage and the corner not always having help over the top.  Bodden was to stay with the receiver and he proved to be a good coverage player with playmaker ability.  So Detroit takes him and forces him to be confined to a zoned area of the field instead of allowing him to stay with the receiver.  Granted, the 3-4 plays a certain amount of zone, but this was not Bodden's strong suit.  On tape, I could see his natural tendency to want to stay with the receiver and that hesitancy to drop him and stay in his zone.  It just wasn't natural for him or a good fit.  I still believe that Bodden should have been retained for ‘09.  Although his contract was more than Detroit should have paid, I would feel better if he was opposite Buchanon in Schwartz new scheme versus Anthony Henry.

The Rest

  • As for Smith and Kelly, these were two players with the right background but brought in two or three years too late. These would have been quality depth players but neither was capable of being a starter any longer.
  • Pearson also had a Tampa background and probably was the only slightly pleasant surprise last year. However, because of injuries, Pearson played much more than he was capable of and was simply overmatched from an ability standpoint.
  • Bullocks, for the most part, was a frustration to watch. A player with good size and speed, he seemed hesitant all too often. Maybe it was the lingering injury, but it seemed to hamper his ability to make the right run/pass reads and then close in for the hit. I think we all liked the flashes that he showed as a rookie, but still, that insecurity within the scheme forced it to fail. Bullocks had to trust his reads in the Tampa 2. The whole scheme was designed around that philosophy and he was hesitant and lacked decision-making ability all too often.
  • Travis Fisher was hard to peg. He seemed to have enough speed and could hit, but too frequently missed the tackle or was caught out of position. In the end, he didn't seem to fit what the Lions were trying to do at the corner position.

Okay, so Marinelli is fairly easy to breakdown.  The games are all there to see.  We armchair quarterbacks can easily point out the things that went wrong.  The tougher exercise is to look forward to the '09 season and try to decipher Schwartz's style and game plan and see how that might translate to our current roster.  I'll try to be objective and not take the "Schwartz is right, Marinelli is wrong" approach to everything.

4-3 under Schwartz

The first thing to point out is that Schwartz doesn't have a fancy name for his defense.  All we really know is that it's going to primarily be a base 4-3 defense and will most likely be a good mix of what both Schwartz and Gunther Cunningham like to do.  From all the comments I could gather, I think the defense will be similar to what Schwartz ran in Tennessee with Cunningham's aggressiveness and blitzing (why else would they bring in a guy like Peterson).  Best of both worlds?  Maybe.  But it's too early to get excited when you look at the personnel in the secondary.  I'm not so optimistic that scheme can cover lack of talent.  So let's break down what Schwartz likes to do in his schemes.

Like I previously stated, Schwartz's schemes don't have any fancy monikers like the Tampa 2 or the West Coast offense.  He believes in blended schemes that seamlessly weave together to do whatever is needed at the moment - in the heat of battle.  This should make him an asset in games versus a liability like Marinelli.  It should also make it more difficult to plan against.  Defensively, he'll run a base 4-3 defense, but there are some noticeable distinctions that I've picked up on.  First, his defensive line focus is the opposite as the Tampa 2.  The ends will play out wide in order to force the runner to the inside, instead of forcing the runner to bounce out.  That's why Schwartz wants a bigger, stronger team up front.  Seems like a good idea as the Titans gave up so few rushing yards last year (92.4 YPG - ranked 5th in the league).  Secondly, Schwartz does not differentiate between the traditional free and strong safety positions and calls them more of a "right and left" safety.   In his scheme, he will be looking for both safeties to be able to cover well and also have the speed to blast up to the line for a rushing assault.  Schwartz is looking for big hitters as well.  Thirdly, we should see a little more man coverage from the corners.  Yes, we'll still see zone from time to time, but the ratio will be much more even or slightly favoring man coverage.  I get this indication from the tape that I have on the Titans from games over the last few seasons.  But again, it's about translation to player - i.e. just because the Lions will be running more man coverage, doesn't always mean we will be able to run that man-to-man effectively.  Lastly, is Schwartz's philosophy on quarterback pressure.  Yes, he wants to get there with lineman, but he will not be afraid to rush a linebacker and do it often.  That's why he went out and traded for Peterson.  He wants to get to the quarterback and doesn't care how.  Schwartz did get a bit of a name as being too conservative in Tennessee, but I think Cunningham's aggressiveness will compensate.  So that's Schwartz's scheme in a nutshell.  Yeah, I left out some details, but you get the idea.  So how does the current secondary translate?

The Corners

Well, I wish there was a lot more talent here, but there just isn't.  And there isn't likely to be anyone added via free agency of significant value either.  So we'll concentrate on Phillip Buchanon, Anthony Henry, Eric King and Keith Smith to keep it simple. 

  • First, Buchanon is the only current lock on either of the starting positions. He's still a good player with above average ability and should have plenty of gas left in the tank. The problem is that he's been in Tampa's system for the past three years. So how will he translate? From my perspective... it's unknown. You almost have to look back to his years in Oakland, but he's a different player now - in good ways and bad. He's smarter, but maybe not quite as fast. Time will tell on him.
  • As for Anthony Henry, I'm not even sure he'll be listed as a corner by the time pre-season is here. He's definitely slowed down quite a bit... the tape doesn't lie. But he's a ball hawker and a savvy veteran who should help out somewhere. I think if he was faster he'd fit Schwartz's scheme perfectly. He's played lots of man coverage in both Dallas and Cleveland and has been known to stick to a receiver well.
  • Eric King is a bit of an enigma for me. There's little to no tape on him to watch. I'm going on what I've read about him to this point. It sounds like he's a lock to be the nickel back and if Henry is moved to safety, King could find himself in his first starting role. That's a little scary to me. I think he'll be better than I'm giving him credit for, but he's another big unknown. At least Schwartz likes him.
  • Lastly, Keith Smith is perpetual potential unrealized. Mismanaged and misused under Marinelli, he finds himself looked at as depth versus bona-fide starting material. He's fast, athletic and has a real nose for the ball. I think he's a lot like Leigh Bodden in the sense that his natural instincts are to stay with the receiver and could benefit from the new changes. He could make the roster as anything from starter to number four corner.

The Safeties

Thank God for Mayhew upsetting all of us Lions fans and taking Delmas instead of Rey Maualuga with the 33rd pick this year.  Without Delmas, the safety position would be a total disaster.  It's anyone's guess who will be where come September - aside from Delmas.  But I think we all need to remember that while Delmas is a virtual lock for one of the starting positions, he's still a rookie and won't be a Polamalu out of the gates.  He will make mistakes and he will need to adjust to the game.

  • That said, I absolutely LOVE the potential that Delmas has shown so far. I think he's going to be a real star on this defense for the next decade or more. He fits everything to a "T" that the defensive coaches want to see. He's fast, smart and hits like a Mack truck. He's shown the ability to both cover and blast to the line for a presence against the run. This is exactly what Schwartz wanted in a safety. Injury is a concern, but isn't it always with safeties? Barring some significant setback, he should be the highlight of the secondary and the rookie with the most impact Detroit has seen in a long time.
  • Kalvin Pearson is currently taking reps with the first team defense as the other safety opposite Delmas. This worries me as I'm sure it worries you. Pearson played better than I expected last year, but that was in a system that he understood well. I take solace in the fact that Schwartz sees something in him, but I'm not sure he'll ever be better than solid depth.
  • It was very disheartening to learn that Bullocks was not taking part in most OTAs earlier this year and appears to not yet be fully healed from his '07 injury. It was even more discouraging to find that he's currently taking reps with the third team defense. Is he damaged goods or is there really merit behind Schwartz's "no depth chart" mantra? Who knows. All I can say is that we can't count on Bullocks as the long-term option at safety that we all thought he was. This scheme probably fits him much better, but if he's still hurt or mentally fried, it's time to draft a replacement next year. Damn you Millen and your second round picks!
  • As for the rest of these guys, Marquand Manuel and Stu Schweigert should be good depth/special team guys and better than average insurance in the case of injury. Schweigert is intriguing to me as he still may have a smidgen of the unrealized potential that they couldn't find in Oakland. He's got to get healthy for training camp first. The two big wildcards are Otis Wiley and Anthony Henry. If they move Henry to Safety, case closed. He'll be the starter as he's far and away more talented than the rest of these guys. Wiley will be a fan favorite and could end up anywhere from the waiver wire to a functional piece of the secondary.

Okay... so who's still with me?  I better write up a conclusion to this novel, before I lose everyone.  So I'll end this thing by asking a question... will this secondary prove to be any better than last year's version?  In my humble opinion, I'm not sure.  Wishy-washy... yeah, I know.  The schemes are different, but is different better?  Not sure.  There a few key pieces that need to fall into place for this to be a success. 

First, Delmas needs to be the player we all think he's going to be.  That will give us a strong presence over the middle against both the run and pass and force offenses to avoid that part of the field.  That would be a big change from last year as teams constantly took advantage of that seam.  Secondly, Buchanon has to translate to a solid man-to-man player.  I think he will, but until I see it, there will be doubt.  Last year, I simply assumed that Bodden would make the transition from tight coverage to zone and I was dead wrong.  Next, there has to be someone to step up and take the other starting corner position and play well.  Whether this is King, Henry or Smith or even if they are forced to sign a McAlister or Surtain off the street, someone needs to be able to hold the fort down against the opponent's number two.  Lastly, if they are going to move Henry to Safety, do it the first day of camp.  Get him acclimated and add stability to that position.  This way, the corner battle can heat up and Schwartz will know if he needs to scour the waiver wire or the free agent scrapheap to bring in a temporary starter to get through the year. 

If all of these huge "ifs" are answered positively, there is no doubt this group will be better.  But until I see that with my own eyes, it's tough to think that we will be a lot better in the secondary this year.  So what do you all think?  Are we a better secondary this year?

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Great stuff, Drew

You should make this a regular post instead of a FanPost.

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by Sean Yuille on Jul 8, 2009 3:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You know the thing that says "Jump"

You can move that around to put part of the post (like the intro) on the front page and the rest “after the jump.”

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by Sean Yuille on Jul 8, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

D line

I think is a more pressing issue. We need to get pressure up the middle to stop the run and to rush the passer. The Secondary isn’t any good either, but like you said, the more time a QB has to throw the more likely the he is to find an open receiver.

by rmatheny on Jul 8, 2009 4:48 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Bullocks

I think I’m the only one left in Detroit who still thinks this guy has it. I know the coaches haven’t shown him much confidence in OTAs, but I was one of few who thought he didn’t have a terrible year in 2008. Obviously as a core, the secondary blew, but I think Daniel has got all the physical, and most of the mental traits to be a solid safety in this league. If he steps his game up in training camp, we can keep Henry at CB and I think our secondary would be much better than last year.

by simscity on Jul 8, 2009 5:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I hope that scenario plays out

I’m not so sure of it right now though. It would be a great advantage if Bullocks succeeded so we don’t have to waste yet another pick on a position that should have been solidified.

by DrewsLions on Jul 8, 2009 6:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I still have hope for Bullocks

I’ve seen talent and potential from him, so, if he can get over his injury and gain some confidence, I think he could become solid if not a good player at the back.

2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).

by Hyperion Ecta on Jul 8, 2009 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Simms

It’s not that I/we don’t like bull I/we are concerned with his injured past/present. I still want to see him succeed but the guy just can’t stay healthy.

by davis0169 on Jul 8, 2009 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think this group will be much better than last year for a lot of reasons.

Although our #1 problem on defence is the defensive line, especially our DTs. It is actually possible that our DTs are worse this year than last year.

Now that is one scary thought.

by NorthLeft12 on Jul 8, 2009 5:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Our secodary will be better this year

IF and only IF the defensive line and linebackers can get some pressure on the QB on passing plays. If the opposing QB has all day to throw, our secondary will not be any better off than they were last year. Our secondary last year would have been much better off if our defensive line could have gotten some pressure on the opposing QB, forcing him to make quicker decisions, throw off his back foot, force passes, throw the ball away, or take a sack. With less time to throw, QBs make more mistakes. Even with an average secondary the defense would get more picks if the opposing QB was hurried, hit, knocked down, or sacked more often.

No, I do not think that the secondary is the main concern for the Lion’s this year. I honestly believe that the defensive line is going to be the focal point of the entire defense. The same thing goes for the offensive line on the other side of the ball. If the foundation of the team is solid, the rest of the team will also be much stronger. I do agree that we need some added depth at CB, and i also feel that Henry would be much better off playing safety than CB. I too like Keith Smith, and think that he could make a good impact at CB if he were allowed to play more. I also agree that Leigh Bodden was misused, and that he would be a much better option opposite Buchanon than Henry will be. Since he is gone, I think Keith Smith definitely fits the bill better than Henry as well. King will be a good nickleback, and if Smith gets injured the Lions will still have the personnel to move guys around.

I would feel a whole lot better if Buchanon and Smith were the corners, with Delmas and Henry at safety. Bullocks, Schweigert, and Manuel provide good depth at safety. I do feel that we lack solid depth at CB, and I would be happy to see a guy like McCalister get signed before the season starts. I also still have my fingers crossed for Kevin Carter and another defensive tackle. No matter who we have in the secondary this year, if we do not find a way to pressure the opposing QB, teams will score on us at will….just like last year.

by KDawg on Jul 8, 2009 5:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree with you, KDawg

The defensive line is a real weakness and I think we both agree that QB pressure will help out the whole defense. Although, I wouldn’t be as worried about coverage if that secondary was a little stronger. Both areas of the defense feed off each other – i.e. solid coverage gives the line time to get to the quarterback… think coverage sacks. That’s why I called it a bit of a wash as to what is needed more. I think the line is in bad shape roster-wise, but I think there is less talent and depth overall in the secondary – again… a point of view thing.

I think it’s up to Schwartz to get creative with both his pressure (don’t forget about Peterson) and his coverage disguising. But it still takes talent to play with that creativity. That’s why I’m not so quick to call this group better than last year. I think the real advantage this year is Schwartz. If he can do what Marinelli couldn’t… effectively scheme to his roster’s strengths and adjust in-game… that will be the difference maker. Aside from linebacker and Delmas, the defense isn’t much better yet.

by DrewsLions on Jul 8, 2009 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Howdy guys!

There is one more factor hat you guys are missing. Last year there were alot of play’s where our lbs could’t tackle a dead man, and I don’t see these LB’s missing tackles for loss in the backfield only to see the play go for 8 TD yards. The presence of those 3 LBs is going to give the D-line some extra umph this year. But I do agree with you guys 1 more good secondary player and 1 more DT woulb be sweet as communion wine. So sayeth the flock. lol REV and good article Drew real good article.

by davis0169 on Jul 8, 2009 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

secondary

i couldn’t agree more with this post. i think the drafting of aaron brown was a mistake, and secondary help would have been the way to go with the pick. now we get rid of gerald alexander, who to me would have been a better fit at strong safety than anyone else we currently have on this roster. i hope the trade was made because he wasn’t getting it done in practice and not to get northcutt. we have enough receivers. this, compiled with still lingering questions about our defensive front 4 leads me to believe that the defense will be improved, but not by much.

still, for an 0-16 team, you have to start somewhere with all of the holes on the team. i like the direction that the new front office has taken this offseason to begin to address righting the ship. i still think we will be 4-12 this year, but i also dont think we’ll be cutting the guys we drafted this year before training camp next year, as was our annual tradition under the millen regime. i like the players that have been brought in, and i love the fact that we are getting rid of players that aren’t getting it done.

by big smoove on Jul 8, 2009 5:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Loved Delmas

I watch alot of the Western and Central Mi. games (on tape after MSU live),or mid week if they are on. I thought Delmas was a good pick because we give up alot and are always hurt in the defensive secondary, he has good motor and makes good hits. Hopefully Otis Wiley can come to camp healthy and make the team, he is tall with good hands and as fast anyone in the open field so his recovery speed should help, and he even returns some punts. I think we need another big man up front with speed hopefully a D.T. If Grady can stay healthy with someone next to him like that (think Minnesota Williams boys) that takes 3-4 guys to hold up and someone is geting free to the Q.B. I don`t care if it is someone for only 1 or 2 plays a series.

by lionsfan64 on Jul 8, 2009 7:01 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Possible solutions...

Love the post, great job at summarizing the schemes as best as you can in a post. The secondary is much improved this year, both with talent and the fact that the coaching staff and scheme should utilize and maximize those players skills better than Marinelli did with the Tampa Two.

At the safety spots, I think the best option is to have Louis Delmas and Daniel Bullocks start. It will be Bullocks last chance to be a starter on the Lions, perhaps with some more help next to him and stronger linebackers he will step into his role.

At the corner spots, Phillip Buchanon and Anthony Henry will be the best solutions, even though Henry is slowing with age. As Drews mentioned, he is excellent at sticking to recievers and has excellent instincts.

This will set us up for two young and excellent safeties for the future and good veteran depth at cornerback with Henry. If Bullocks doesn’t step into his role, he will be replaced by Henry next year and we will still be solid at the safety position. Either way, next draft or free agency period we will have to look for a starting caliber corner to line-up opposite of Phillip Buchanon.

Now, what can we still do to improve our secondary right now. The answer is to strengthen our d-line. Our choices of players are pretty slim and don’t look better than what we have. McCallister and Surtain as someone have mentioned, are injury prone and cannot start in this league anymore, at least for the long-haul. So to help out the secondary and pressure the QB, the Lions need to pick up John Thornton and Kevin Carter. Both players are versataile and can rotate between DT and DE and both hover around 300 lbs. Thornton is a dominant pressence for the run game and Carter is average all around. Both have played for Schwartz in Tennesee and both are excellent leaders who can mentor our younger players like Avril, Fluellen, and Hill.

This will give the Lions enough of a stopgap to have a solid defense for this year and draft the younger guys and explore free agency next year to create a respectable defense with depth for years to come.

by lions_sucker on Jul 8, 2009 9:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Great Post Drew

I also agree with your summation about our secondary. On the whole, I think our secondary will be better although, that won’t be hard considering how bad we were last year. As you, and many others have said, a lot of the effectiveness of our secondary relies on pressure on both the QB and the Running game. Thankfully, I think Schwartz is a tad stronger defensively than Marinelli was, so maybe our defence will feel the benefits of his knowledge.

In saying all that though, I can’t wait for training camp to start, so the evaluation of our secondary and other areas can start.

2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).

by Hyperion Ecta on Jul 8, 2009 9:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

agree fully with Kdawg and Drew

A lot of ifs but I think with Gun running the show, the pressure on the QB will improve. Maybe not greatly but it should. I think Carter would help if signed but shaving a few seconds off a QBs time to make a throw will be a natural help to the secondary. It could also lead to a few mor picks and sacks. Hard to make a throw when a QB is on the run or on his back. I know our d-line is not great but with Gun shoting from the hip with blitzs, it could shave those few seconds.

That being said I think they will be better just because of who is running the defense and as mentioned in the post, Schwartzs willingness to be a bit flexable.

Great post Drew. Armchair QBing or not, you have done your homework. Lets hope we can find 1 or 2 more bodys (carter for starters) to improve a little more and have a few things fall into place so our D can have a great year.

by Lead Hunter on Jul 8, 2009 10:38 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

ONE THING YOU FORGOT...

is we don’t have that awefull mini-marinelli son -in -law in charge of our defense …we have a real coach and gunther cunningham will make a huge difference , not another woefull wanna -be but head coaching experience to go along with our players …REAL LEADERSHIP …will get the job done … another NO NAME DEFENCE …if you will , but I really believe our coaches are picking good -fit players to work with , and some imagination will help to , not the same old 20 or so defensive plays it takes the other team less than 1 quarter to figure out , and we will be adapting to enemy offenses instead of using the same old crap that doesn’t work

marc hoople

by spinitnow on Jul 8, 2009 11:12 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I didn't say ,

great post , that was some serious in depth homework on the lions and I love it , even during the " slow time " of the year …GOOD JOB !!!

marc hoople

by spinitnow on Jul 8, 2009 11:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Everyone knows that

the D-line is the weakest link of the team. Followed by the secondary. Or vice-versa. I say let the young players play. And see what we have. This is not a one year fix. It will take years for the Lions to get were they need to be. I for one. AM very happy with the roster overhaul that has taken place. And I am very content with the current roster. To bring in more " Vets" only means that a younger player loses a roster spot or playing time. Unless signing guys like Carter or others can guarantee a shot at the playoffs. Than do it. I will be happy with improved play. Improved play calling. And improved effort. And I think that we will get it this year.

Drews great post. Love reading your stuff. I have not been on much in the past two weeks. But your post bought me back.

by JCruize on Jul 9, 2009 2:03 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Great post Drew

very good read and very in depth. I might get mauled for saying this but I think Bodden would have been worth the money to retain. I think he would have really stepped up under the new staff and givin a chance to showcase his natural ability which is man-man

by CR on Jul 9, 2009 11:49 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree with your Bodden comments...

Although pricey, I think he could have helped immensly. He’s still young and full of potential. They could have simply signed him to a new contract and avoided the big bonus, but maybe the new staff didn’t see that same potential.

by DrewsLions on Jul 9, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wonderful Post

Amazing post Drew. Very well written and in depth information. Keep this kind of information coming whenever you feel like writing it, it certainly didn’t bore me a bit. Especially when the NFL news is so Vick/Favre/McNair oriented right now. Thanks!

And in answer to your question on will they be better…. don’t they HAVE to be? I read an article where a lineman (sorry don’t remember who) was talking about the terrible communication problems that they had last year. Coach would say move right on suchandsuch play but line coach was telling the same guy to move left. At the very least I think everyone will all be on the same page.

This is so awesome... it's like i'm watching the daily shows version of the draft..
by MatthewDC on Apr 25, 2009 7:35 PM EDT

by mrcooms on Jul 9, 2009 2:09 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks for the article, KDawg

It’s good to hear about the positives of that group and the comraderie that they are building. The problem is… we see these same articles from the Lion’s home website every year. Propaganda or real progress? We report… you decide.

by DrewsLions on Jul 9, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

this month isn’t going by fast enough!!!

by BIGWalt2990 on Jul 9, 2009 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Damn It

2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).

by Hyperion Ecta on Jul 10, 2009 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry, forgot to type "I agree"

2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).

by Hyperion Ecta on Jul 10, 2009 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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