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Play him or sit him?

Especially after Stafford's performance in the Cleveland preseason game, the debate has intensified between the two camps arguing whether or not he should sit out the year or start from day one.

Some people say that sitting a year and playing sparingly is the best thing a rookie QB can do, as it acclimates them to life in the pros and allows them to witness what it takes to be a starter in the league.  That way there are no surprises in their sophomore year, and they're ready to step in and play.  Critics of this idea say it's stupid to have them waste time carrying a clipboard that could be better spent carrying a team, and that the only experience worth having at the end of the day is in-game experience.  Which side is correct?  The answer is neither, and both.

Peyton Manning started his first year, and though he took his lumps, he's quoted as saying the experience he gained was invaluable to developing into a good QB.  From that, you could conclude it's best to throw your star rookie QB into a starting role from the outset, and have him learn through trial by fire.

The other first ballot Hall of Famer from this decade, Tom Brady (Go Blue), famously rode the pine his first year behind former Pro-Bowler Drew Bledsoe, completing one pass out of three attempts for the entire season.  While he was inactive for most of the year, he gained about 25 lbs in muscle and got NFL ready.  It would be redundant to go into what he did from his second year on, but from that you could reach the equally logical conclusion that you should sit your rookie QB a year, and have him learn through observation.

Carson Palmer and Drew Brees both sat their first year.  Jay Cutler and Donovan McNabb started in five and six games respectively their rookie years.  Matt Ryan and Joe Flacco both played well starting from the get-go as rookies, and Ben Roethlisberger won a Super Bowl.

You can get historical here too.  Troy Aikman, Terry Bradshaw, and John Elway all started their rookie years, and they all looked like hell.  Jim Kelly and Dan Marino started their rookie years and tore it up.  Len Dawson sat for FIVE years before his storied carreer in Kansas City.

Brett Favre and Dan Fouts sat, then hit the ground running their second year, as did Randall Cunningham, Kurt Warner, and NOT Steve Young. 

Steve Young is always used as the quintessential example of how good sitting on the bench can be for a rookie quarterback, but after doing some research, I need to take a moment to set the record straight.  Steve Young played his first two years in the league as a Tampa Bay Buccaneer, throwing 3 TDs to 8 INTs for 935 yds as a rookie, with 1 TD and 233 yds rushing, and 8 TDs to 13 INTs for 2,282 yds in his sophomore year, with 5 TDs and 425 yds rushing.  After spending his time on the bench for four years with the 49ers, though he was ready to play long before that, he then started and played at a Pro-Bowl level.  Steve Young is really an example of why playing a rookie QB is better, while ironically enough, it was Joe Montana who rode the pine his rookie year.

So, which option is better?  There isn't a right or wrong answer, and it really depends on who your QB is.  It appears that if you're going to be a great QB, you're going to be great regardless of when you're put into the game.  What seems to stand out is rookie QBs tend to not play very well at all, and the guys that are able to are the exception to the rule.  I don't know whether the great QBs who sat their first year only to explode in their second would've had good or bad years had they played as rookies, because there's no way of knowing.  There's also no way of knowing if there've been QBs who would've/could've been great if only they were allowed to sit their first year instead of being thrown to the wolves on a bad team **cough-Joey-cough,** because there's no way of knowing that either.  You could say having the patience to sit your rookie QB doesn't seem to hurt, while hypothetically playing someone too early can hurt their career. 

I think the logical conclusion is this:  If you're absolutely going to be a great NFL quarterback, you can handle having a shitty rookie year, because you're a tough and rare sort of human being who's destined for greatness, whose confidence never wavers.  But some QBs really do need a year to sit, and some seem to do well sitting the first half of their rookie year, then playing in the second half when they're truly ready.  It all depends on the individual, and there's no gaurantee as to what category Stafford fits into.  All you can say with some degree of certainty is if Stafford starts the season, expect him to struggle.  If being a successful rookie QB was easy it would happen every year, not every 10 years, and usually only to Hall of Famers.  And if he plays like crap when he starts this year and is "ruined" as a QB, then he probably wasn't going to be a great one anyway.  In my opinion, I think he should sit until the bye week and start the rest of the games.  From what we've seen, he's physically ready and talented enough to make all the throws, but doesn't have the decision-making ability of a starter yet.  Let him sit, learn a little more, and come in and start when he's more prepared.  It's very likely the season will be a wash anyway by the time the bye week rolls around, so it would be a perfect opportunity to go through the growing pains of being an NFL QB.

Unless, of course, we're in the race for a playoff spot...: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3-eavMSBnk

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That pretty much sums up the whole argument

Good work.

2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).

by Hyperion Ecta on Aug 23, 2009 9:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Hit the nail on the head......

…….Im happy with either guy…..I just think Staff will be ready but we shall see.

by BennieBladesFan on Aug 23, 2009 10:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Great post

However I want to point out that Steve Young was an NFL rookie in 1985, but he was not a professional football rookie. He originally played in the USFL for the LA Express. He actually played 2 seasons in the USFL and still receives annuity payments from his contract in the USFL to this day. Back then, the USFL fielded quite a few future NFL players such as Mel Gray, Herschel Walker, Mike Rozier, Jojo Townsell, and Kevin Nelson. They were every bit as professional as the NFL was back then, so Young had some experience as a professional QB before being selected by Tampa Bay in the 1984 supplemental draft.

Tom Brady is probably the best example of a QB who sat behind a non-HOF QB before becoming the starter in NE. Not only did he sit his 1st season, but he was also drafted in the 6th round…..the fact of the matter, as you aptly pointed out, is that we do not know what kind of QB Matt Stafford really is, or what category he fits into. Is he in the Peyton Manning, Matt Ryan, and Joe Flacco category? Is he in the Tom Brady, Carson Palmer, Drew Brees, Brett Favre, Dan Fouts, McNabb, Cutler, Jim Kelly (he actually sat for 3 years before starting, drafted in 1983 and not getting a start until 1986), or Dan Marino (he only started 9 games his rookie year) category? There are quite a few more long term success stories of QBs who sat at least part of their rookie season than those who started immediately. I would agree that if Culpepper is not getting the job done, or if the Lions are definitely out of the playoff picture, that Stafford should get some starts at some point in the regular season. Until then, I think the best approach is sitting him for awhile.

by KDawg on Aug 23, 2009 10:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thank you

Thanks for the corrections, I didn’t think to check USFL stats while I was researching, and I didn’t know Kelly was inactive those three years before starting. That would shift Kelly to the “bench him” side of the argument, but Steve Young still remains in the “play him” side. We do agree that sitting him, at least for a little while, appears to be the best course.

by TX Lion on Aug 23, 2009 10:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

OOOHHHHH REV

just too add one very important name to the list of future NFL players, How in the world did you ever forget the best rec from the michigan panthers, you know the 1 that caught balls for MEEEEEEchigan do you know the 1 i am refering too? To me he is the only #1 in Meeeechigan football. The great Anthony Carter.

by davis0169 on Aug 23, 2009 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jim Kelly

This is only because my Dad is a hardcore Bills fan… Jim Kelly was drafted by the Bills in 1983 but instead signed with the Houston Gamblers of the USFL. He signed with the Bills in 1986 and then had the the career that never got the ring…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Kelly

Live and Die by the LIONS

by LionsFan619 on Aug 24, 2009 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good call

I forgot about that.

by KDawg on Aug 24, 2009 1:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Guys

Staff looked like a rookie playing in a hostle evironment last night, thats all. Would it have been different if we would of had someone that could of spread the field deep out there last night I think yes, but we will never know. One of the TV guys last night said it best, The browns corners were squating on our rec’s the entire game because they saw that there just wasn’t anyone to streatch the field. I would also like to say right now for the record that Culpepper should start week 1 only because we are going to be on the road, unlike Ryan last year who got his first game in at home we are not going to have that luxary. I am still loving what I saw last night outta staff infection and wont cry if he does start the season out for us, but it should be Culpzzle. Staff isn’t going to be affraid of trying to sqeeze that pill in there and after the last few years of watching our QB’s hold on too the ball fo an eternity, it’s was sad because of the INT’s but at least the guy isn’t afraid, and even after the horrible start, he looked like he was out there having a blast.

by davis0169 on Aug 23, 2009 11:02 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

word

I know what you’re saying, but I just said that’s what I think based on what I’ve seen out of him so far. And no, he doesn’t remind of, say, Jon Kitna, when I’d yell at the tv to “get rid of the fucking ball!!!” every time I watched him take another drive-killing sack. But throwing picks when you’re under pressure, or hesitating on a crossing route where the difference between a catch and an INT is a half-second window, those are both mistakes good QBs tend to avoid. I’d rather seem him throwing TDs than INTs, because to me they’re more encouraging for some reason. Let me just say that I feel like I should re-dub Allen Iverson’s famous “Practice” speech and change the word to “Preseason” to put all this in perspective.

“Hey I hear you, it’s funny to me too, hey it’s strange to me too but we’re talking about PREseason man, we’re not even talking about the GAME, when it actually matters, we’re talking about PREseason.”

by TX Lion on Aug 24, 2009 2:18 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What is Jennings not our top WR option?

Of the guys starting, I think Standeford is the only one who might make the team.

by ATL Lion on Aug 24, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thats funny TX

we talkin bout preseason! that’s just funny as heck.

by davis0169 on Aug 24, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

PeytonPeytonPeyton

Yeah, Manning is lobbying for Stafford to start, but lets not forget, he says in the same interview he wants his rookie interception record broken. Is Peyton really thinking about what’s best for the Detroit Lions?
Culpepper should start week 1. I do not think he will do very well, 2-4 at best. Stafford will start after the bye.

by JazzyBBP on Aug 23, 2009 11:30 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

My thing is...

If you buy into Stafford at all you have to play him, and you have to play him soon. He has the ‘tangibles’ quick release, powerful arm, shows intelligence when analyzing tape and on the field. The stuff he needs to learn, in my opinion, is on the field. How to respond to blitz packages, coverages, etc. all field work. Allow me to get nerdy on you for a second, you can sit down and watch a geologist take samples and analyze them, but until you get out there and do it yourself your not a geologist…WHAT THE FUCK AM I SAYING… I dont know its too late.

by IAmGross on Aug 24, 2009 1:49 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Wonder what the other players' thing is..

My guess is that it would do the rest of the team a lot of good to play Stafford after he demonstrates that he is the best QB on the team.

I doubt that many beyond Kevin Smith expect to make the playoffs this year. Still, each and every player is expected to play as if every game, every snap, counts. That’s the only way this team will be able to improve.

Say what you will, Culpepper has shown himself to be a professional. Improving himself physically over the offseason was huge. It’s the type of dedication that we need from everyone on the roster. He’s a veteran, and a dedicated player.

So, what type of effect would it have on the rest of the team if Stafford is named the starter before he proves himself to be the better QB?

This season doesn’t matter. Being a dedicated professional does not matter. Putting the absolute best team and putting forth the absolute best effort does not matter.

On the other hand, having Stafford prove himself would send the message that everyone on the roster must prove himself as well.

I’m not saying that Stafford cannot prove himself to be the better QB by the end of the exhibition season. So far, people can argue how close he has come. But, it’s pretty obvious that it hasn’t happened yet.

by jimoska on Aug 24, 2009 4:48 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree 100%

I don’t think it’s the right thing to do to start any player (even a quarterback) unless he’s the one at his position most likely to win that Sunday.

Any player would benefit from starting experience, but I honestly would not want any of of that experience to come at the expense of the team. And applying a double-standard like that, I think, would hurt the team.

by n4ry4 on Aug 24, 2009 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

hahaha

From watching the “Playoffs” rant, this whole thing about putting your best team on the field where every starting job is earned, not given, reminded me of another rant. Guess which one before clicking…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMk5sMHj58I

by TX Lion on Aug 24, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

underclassmen vs senior

Which of these guys were 4 year players vs 3 year players. I know peyton was a red shirt senior, he was there for 5 years so he’d be better suited to start right away. I think Ryan anf Flacco were 4 year players. Stafford was just a 3 year player, no redshirt. It looks to me like you’ve left off a lot of early entries into the draft that failed. Ryan leaf came out early and played right away, akili smith came out after starting just one year.

I think that you have to look at how long they played in college to determine how ready they are to step right in and play.

by kingdaddylions on Aug 24, 2009 10:49 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

good point

I wasn’t thinking of that. I basically looked at a list of HOF and current top-5 QBs and saw what kind of playing time they got as rookies. Off the top of my head, it does seem like guys who leave early tend to not be as successful. I’m too lazy right now to research it, so I call NOT IT

by TX Lion on Aug 24, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We already had this discussion

Stafford started 36 games in college and came out as a Junior. Matt Ryan started 36 games and came out as a Senior…..same amount of playing time.

by KDawg on Aug 24, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

not just about starts

it’s about practice reps, film time…..it’s more than just starts that matter. just like in the NFL

by kingdaddylions on Aug 25, 2009 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh.....I definitely agree

I am one of the proponents of the “Stafford is not ready” movement.

by KDawg on Aug 25, 2009 9:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Give that Dawg a Meaty Bone!

Same here, I want him to be the shizznit but it’s not going to be at the start of this year.

by davis0169 on Aug 26, 2009 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Regardless of what a persons opinion is

They can’t argue with your points!!!!

Well done!

(I like exclamation points!!)

http://cmufootball.blogspot.com/

by CapitolLions on Aug 24, 2009 12:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

What Is going on

If Tom Brady would have started since day one he would have been fine. Like you said great quarterbacks will be great quarterbacks. Some just need to learn the game moreso than others. Whether you start him now or sit him is irrelevant.. Matthew Stafford will play to his full potential if he gets the O-Line that every single quarterback that you posted about had. If he’s a great quarterback after all the pieces fall in, then he will be for his career, if he’s not he’s not. That’s not for anyone to decide but Matthew Stafford. We won’t know for 1-3yrs.

Greenman Out

by Greenman25 on Aug 25, 2009 6:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

The best line you had there was

and i quote “if he gets the O-line that everysingle qb that you posted had”. We don’t have that as of yet which takes us back to the draft and why in the hell didn’t we take one of the 3 or 4 tackles that were out there?So when next year came around we would of had 1 tackle that had 2 years of exp. and 1 that would of been going into his second year. But we didn’t so Lets not bring that up again.

by davis0169 on Aug 26, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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