QB Situation and Preseason Questions
by JMW62689 on Aug 24, 2009 3:20 PM EDT
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I have been tooting that damn horn since we drafted him…he is a Shorter version of Brandon Jacobs…I know that sounds lofty but he is!
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by CapitolLions on Aug 24, 2009 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah but both have nice Physical tools
it is intruging
Well...Not that good fellas
But it could be as good as Jacobs, Bradshaw and Ward.
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by CapitolLions on Aug 24, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions
I'd go with that
2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).
by Hyperion Ecta on Aug 24, 2009 7:38 PM EDT up reply actions
Good Mix
Smith getting 20+ touches including receptions
Felton getting 6-10 touches mostly goaline and short yardage
Brown 3-5 touches. Mostly swing passes and screens or catches in the slot..
Pretty fromitable!
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by CapitolLions on Aug 25, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions
I do not know where
these fans and analysts get this notion that you learn A LOT by sitting on the bench, negative, you learn how to sit on the bench when you are a bench warmer. I would hope that stafford is at the point, considering the money we tossed at him, that he learns from marginal adjustments by looking at tape. I believe that Stafford is the caliber athlete that he is as far as he can go as it comes to learning from tape. Just because i clock in 30 hours a week of film sesh, can read a mlb from an overhead camera and know to look off a safety and check down when necessary does not mean I am going to start for an NFL team, or a pee-wee league for that matter. He needs playing time, time to understand tempo and rhythm.
go look at Aaron Rodgers
or Matt Hasselback,Carson Palmer,Tom Brady,and just about every other QB in this league i mean come on Joe Flacco didn’t start the season Matt Ryan,Peyton Manning and Troy Aikman are there any other guys who came out and started right off the bat? please tell me if there is a 60/40 Ratio or even 70/30 ratio of Sit then Start to Start right away QBs ill consider throwing him out there game 1 but right now i aint seeing that. Look he is getting compared to Jay Cutler a lot and didn’t Cutler sit behind Jake Plummer for a season? maybe im wrong but i think its true. Look what he is going to be doing on the bench isn’t just sitting there wearing a hat and a headpeice and talking to Daunte, no i say you give him 1st team reps still in Practice and he is going to be in the room watching film but start Culpepper let Stafford watch Culpeppers mistakes and let him watch the things he does right. My Philosphy in all this QB talk is this play Culpepper and Stanton as Starter and Backup until the 9th Game and before that 9th Game you evalute your team if you have a shot at a Playoff berth why screw things up if you are looking a losing record Stafford (and i dont care what anybody says) isnt going to have the desire cause no one likes to lose so why start him? and frankly i dont care what are record is this year i dont care if we do go 0-16 again because this team is looking better and if the price for losing is Taylor Mays,Eric Berry or an Elite LT then i am willing to pay it
no this does not mean i want to tank or stuff like that
Yeah 0-32 would hurt but my point is we are looking better (Maybe not Record wise)
Gross
There is also a huge difference between Stafford and all the above QB’s you mentioned. They all stayed in school untill after their senior seasons.Staf on the other hand was a true junior coming out of school and I don’t cre what conferance you want to talk about in collage, he is still only a true Junior this year, not a red-shirted junior coming out of school.That has been my biggest problem with us drafting Stafford. IF he would of been a red-shirted junior coming out it might of been different, but he wasn’t. Nowdo I think that he will be a stud 1 day . . .. .yes but that day is not now, it’s a year or 2 down the road.
a. those teams didnt come off a 0 – 16 season
b. Flacco was the season opeber.
c. off the top of my head the quarterbacks that i know started right off the back or early on (could be off) Kelly, Ryan, Manning, Aikman, Rothlisberger, Manning E., Moon, Jaworski, D. Williams, although he didnt start montana played in all 16, didnt Brees Start early in the season.
Maybe im crazy, entirely possible, but i still dont think rookies starting is so bad or rare.
ok
A.) 0-16 is the reason you don’t play him right away he is got a ton of pressure put on him to turn the franchise into a contender
B.) Your right my bad
C.) is Stafford Peyton Manning? how about Troy Aikman? Drew Brees? Eli Manning played 9 games his first year (Hmm about the time i say you evaluate your season) Big Ben started 13 his first year. Like i said around week 8 see how the season is going and if you are winning why screw things up? and if you are losing have the Coaches decide what they want
whether we want to admit it or not
We all look at Stafford as the Savior of the Franchise and he is going to have that pressure on him his whole Career here, if you let Culpepper carry you to a 5 Win Season you are going to be taking some pressure off Stafford.
in the first Preseason Game Culpepper looked really Comfortable running the Offense, Stafford came in made the throws but he was making 1-2 quick reads it seemed he was getting the ball out a little to fast.
in the second Preseason game Stafford looked really bad he threw 3 passes that should have been intercepted, Culpepper again looked great running the Offense. Please ask yourself this question do you want to win or do you just want to see Stafford on the field? Culpepper is a better QB now but Stafford will be a better QB in a year
Wrong
Jim Kelly did not play in the NFL for 3 years after he was drafted in 1983…..he played in the USFL. Tommy Maddox was the starter in Pittsburgh at the beginning of 2004….not Ben Roethlisberger. Maddox was injured in the 2nd week and then Big Ben got his shot. Maddox came back and started the first game back from injury, and after that the coaches decided to go with the rook. Eli Manning sat behind Kurt Warner. Eli played in garbage time in the first week, and then never set foot on the field again until week 10 of the regular season. Ron Jaworski did not become the starter for the Rams until he was traded by the Rams to the Eagles in his 4th season. Drew Brees played in 1 game in his rookie year, sitting behind Doug Flutie (yes Brees was with the Chargers if you remember).
The bottom line is it will not hurt Matt Stafford to sit behind Daunte Culpepper for part or all of his rookie season. He will learn more than you think from the sidelines, and he can only get better from watching and practicing. Guys like Peyton Manning and Troy Aikman started immediately because their teams had no other choice. Guys like Peyton Manning, Troy AIkman, Warren Moon, Doug Williams, Joe Montana, John Elway, and Dan Marino (who sat for 2 games, started the 3rd, sat the 4th, and then started the rest his rookie year) are rare. Joe Montana only played in 5 games his rookie year (weeks 3, 8, 12, 14, and 15…..he started one game in week 14). If he played in all 16 games, the rest were played as the holder or something. Plus he did not become the starter until week 3 of his second season, and he is a Hall of Famer. Elway did not start right away, but became the starter in weeks 2-5, sat out for 4 games, then came back and finished the season as the starter in his rookie year…..HOF QB. Marino became the starter in week 6 of his rookie season, playing in 2 games prior to that in a backup role…..HOF QB.
release this guy...
The guy who already knows the Lions’ playbook, has worked extremely hard in the offseason, has been our most consistent QB in the the preseason, and, even if benched, would be one of the best backups in the league?
…and all for Minnesota’s rejects?
I hope not.
well, he'll be the starter until Stafford's better, whenever that happens, and then be the backup
that’s this season, anyway.
i very heavily disagree
on the idea of releasing culpepper not only has he been are best solid qb so far but he can also teach Stafford this offense an when to make decisions.
Kevin Smith let em kno, Ernie Sims Break em, Calvin Johnson you already Kno
2009 Detroit Lions 6-10 to 8-8
by DetroitLions 4 life on Aug 25, 2009 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions
He's not the only one
to suggest cutting Culpepper. Why are some people so eager to cut a good player?
So basically what Orwell was saying was, "it's not perfect, but I'll take it."
by Mogwai on Aug 25, 2009 4:50 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I am worried that Culpepper might be a cancer if he isn't the starter....
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by CapitolLions on Aug 25, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
My guess
is that they will trade him or cut him if they name Stafford the starter in week 1…..which is another reason why I think DC should start (at least at the beginning of the season). We need to allow the chance for him to showcase his abilities in case we want to trade him before the trade deadline (in the event that he is not getting it done and we are going to make the switch to Stafford).
I agree..
From things I have heard about Culpepper. Is that he is a locker room guy. So , next week. When Schwartz tells the everyone that Stafford is the starter for week one. Hopefully, Culpepper will remain a positive fixture in the locker room. And to Stafford.
And do you think
That T-Jacked would want to leave the Vikes as a back-up to come to Detroit to be a back-up? I don’t think so, he wants to stay in Minn either as a 2 year back-up so when Favre does retire/gets hurt he can reclaim his starting job.
I swear
you people would want Culpepper cut if he was having a pro bowl year just so you could see Stafford play. Come on is Culpepper really that bad? and Tarvaris Jackson is worse so why cut Culpepper and trade for him? i mean come on
why is everyone hating Culpepper?
Please tell me
If Culpepper wins games I'll be his biggest supporter
But Culpepper hasn’t come close to winning this QB battle yet, maybe he pulls ahead and shows he’s the true #1 to start the year. But what if he doesn’t, what if it’s still neck and neck at the end of preseason game #4. Does Culpepper get the start because exprience, I want the QB who’s more likely to win games for the lions right now, but I’m also keeping an open mind that maybe that QB could be Stafford right now also… No hate involved in my thinking…
ok
Stafford looked rushed in the first preseason game and throws an interception in the next and threw 2 more that should have been intercepted. Culpepper has gone out and been very solid and looks incredibly comfortable how is it that Culpepper is not ahead of Stafford right now? Rookie Mistakes? well let me tell you Rookie Mistakes aint winning any ball games
Once again
How the Hell do we even know what any of our 3 QB’s look like since we have not gotten too see them with the starting wr’s and TE.Culpepper knows that he didn’t have 1 single rec that could streatch the field and every corner has squatted on our rec’s in the first 2 games. So until we get too see them all out there, quit kicking the first lions QB to go to the pro-bowl in over 50 years in the teeth. Yeah I’m back on the D-train.
yep, and a bunch of his passes have been dropped, and he also looked off a saftey
then went the other way hitting williams over the shoulder for a TD pass.
Keary Colbert sucks
are we debating that? no. All im saying is he takes a three step drop makes a read or 2 and made his decision and zipped the sucker in there. look at game number 2 first play he rolls outside and fires to his first read on the run and bam picked off by the safety just a Rookie mistake no big deal he will learn that all i am saying is that Culpepper aint making those mistakes. look Stafford is going to learn if you throw him in there right away but he is going to make a lot of mistakes, whereas you sit him for half a season to a whole season he is going to pick up on some things you just don’t do and that will translate to fewer mistakes. All im saying is Culpepper gives us a better chance to win right now if at the end of the preseason its Stafford that gives us that chance then he is your QB but please stop telling me you want him play just to get the mistakes out of the way, i want to win ball games not sit here and watch Matthew Stafford put up numbers im here to win
Dude looking off a saftey once
doesn’t constitute him being the best QB on the team. Do you think he’s the only QB that can do that? Do you think Culpepper doesn’t know how to do that? Culpepper is starting to pull ahead in this race based on his play on the field, his decision making, and his overall work ethic this offseason. Look at both of their preseason stats dude… go ahead I’ll let wait a minute while you do………… ok now tell me who’s the better QB right now for this team? Stafford’s too young, too inexperienced, and hasn’t seen enough of NFL defenses to throw him in there right away.
For once the Lions actually have a luxury here. They have a young insanely talented QB that isn’t ready to be thrown in right away and for once we don’t have to because we have a veteran who has worked harder than he ever has this offseason to get ready to come into camp and win the job. Don’t forget he has been healthy now for 2 years, this is his first full offseason in like 4 years, and oh yea didn’t he do pretty well when he had the best receiver in the NFL with 38 TD’s. Yea and he has that now in Detroit too and he has his mobility back. Remember when he was a viking he was the most feared QB in the Norse division. Even more than Brett just because of the plays he could make in the red zone with his feet, his big body, and his arm. He just makes plays and he’s impossible to keep out of the end zone when he wants to get in, he just plows everyone and there’s no stopping him, and he has all that back this year. Start him because this year is the year he will resurrect what he had in Minny. Then Start Staff next year when he is more capable and ready to handle NFL schemes and defenses.
Dude
If preseason stats showed how players and teams would play in the regular season the lions would be super bowl champs of 2008. If were going off of preseason stats well I guess Stanton would get the start week one. I already said in other posts that Culpepper has the edge in preseason play right now but is he leaps and bounds ahead of Stafford NO!!!! Is Culpepper out performing him in practice NO!!!! Once again I’m not bashing Culpepper I’m just saying he’s not out playing Stafford and if he is it’s not by much. If you want to go looking for the Culpepper of 4 or 5 years ago I’ll give you a treasure map and you can go looking for Daunte’s lost treasure chest of talent.
ok
so what are we going off? 2 QBs throwing against the Last years NFL Worst Defense? come on i guarantee that if it was Culpepper was out there and he had thrown that Interception you would be screaming how he suck and how Stafford is coming in to save us all. Preseason does matter but only when it benefits Rookie QBs
oh and if we are going on resumes
Culpepper has the Playbook memorized, was a former Pro Bowl QB, has experiance in the NFL Stafford had a nice College Career and was the First overall Pick in the 2009 NFL Draft. What the heck do you want this QB battle to be based on? come on preseason is where they come out and show what they are made of and as of game two Culpepper>Stafford sorry to burst your bubble
Let me add to that JMW
Staff had a nice 3 year college run, and actually he only had 2 good years not all 3.He’s still a freekin JR for crying out loud. He was not red-shirted and that makes him a true JR. So as I read your threads you really wat to just hand the riegns of our lions over to a Jr, from college. In my lifetime I have never seen a JR from college lead a NFL team to anything, other than a top 3 draft pick the next year.
If at the end of preseason Culpepper is the better QB I'll be on board 100%
John Clayton already commented it’s probably going to be Culppeper, but also said Stafford is way ahead of where he should be right now.
Yeah for sure brother Rev.
And Eli had something that we don’t.An older brother who helped coach him from afar, A NFL head coach who knew how to handle a rookie, we have a rookie trying to teach a rookie, the G men and Eli had a dominant D-fence that could cover up alot of Eli’s mistakes we don’t have that either. Like I said I am positive that I am going to be eating crow on Staff for years to come but that time just isn’t here yet.
Davis...
My friend, you are not really going to say that a big part of Eli’s success on the field was because of a phone call a week from his big brother and because of Tom Frickin’ Couglin? tsk.. tsk.. tsk… If anything, Coughlin probably hindered his early success.
But if that’s the critieria here, then Stafford is going to be a Hall of Famer, because he is good friends with both Mannings AND Troy Aikman!
I feel that people are just picking sides and throwing common sense in the trash. Not meaning to bash you here Davis, but it looks like you’re just saying anything that will paint Stafford in a bad light. It’s getting to be like a politacl election around here. Both sides just trying to blindly further an agenda. Both Culpepper and Stafford have good qualities and time will tell if the Lions will make the right decision.
lol DR. Drew
No no no.What Helped Eli out was having Warner there a bigger brother that he “probably” talked too all the time, A Father that was a former NFL qb, and when I mentioned Cough coughlin, I was refering to an experienced head coach not an experienced Cordinator, and If we are talking about the G-men they had something else thatwe don’t have. A defence that could cover up for him when he made all his bone head plays as a rookie. And I for 1 still don’t think that Eli is all that so I don’t want to really get into it with you about him, at least.Eli is more of a fathers (premadona) than any other QB i have ever seen in the NFL. If he was worth all that money that they threw at him why couldn’t he get them into the playoffs when his top wr shot himself? they still had a beast in the backfield to run behind and their D wasn’t all that bad last year. I personnally think that Eli is the most over rated QB in the game today! But thats my opinion. for the record I do tink that i am going to eat big crow on Staff in time, but that time just isn’t here as of yet.
And i didn't think you bashed in anyway
Just sticking too your guns bro. I admire you for that, like everytime we have this particular debate. I still want to see Stanton out there against the first string D-fence just too see what he can do.but officially I am on the Culpizzle roll. It’s better to watch than Roy Williams’s beyond sad first down arm chop after we are down 30-0 in the first half, and he made his first catch.
I still think this argument is going off 2 weeks early
It’s still fun to read though.
2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).
bottom line...
The coaches are going to start the QB that is the best. If that means Stafford waits a year, then fine. I don’t think you throw Stafford in the mix at week 9 when the seasons lost. You just let time run it’s course and he’ll be prepped to lead the team next season.
And as far as Culpepper is concerned, I have this feeling that since we were the only team around that gave him a starting opportunity, he’ll be fine as a backup in the future. In a dream scenario, he plays decent this year, we work out a deal where we extend him a year and trade him for draft picks or secondary and Stafford’s ready to be league MVP next year. Unlikely, but like I said, dream scenario.
Sorry if I repeated anything others have said, but everything just kinda looked like mindless bickering, so I just quickly sifted through it. Who cares who starts, if Stafford sits, it’s not a waste of a pick or proof we made a mistake/he’s not worthy of the paycheck, and if Culpepper sits it doesn’t mean we have to get rid of him and bring in someone who gets replaced by a senior citizen in purple. I think the kool-aid has flown a little too freely and now that it’s running out with our loss to Cleveland people are having nightmares of 0-16 all over again. We are not that team anymore, and if Culpepper, Stafford or even Stanton start, we’ll win some games and look much improved.
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