POD Fantasy Football Update: Rules Talk Edition

by Sean Yuille on Aug 25, 2009 1:21 PM EDT in Fantasy Football Comment 55 comments

The draft dates/times are set, and the official start of Pride of Detroit's fantasy football leagues is right around the corner. Considering that, I figured it's time to put up a post where you can discuss the rules of our leagues (to view them, click on "Scoring Rules" under the "League" tab). Basically, I want to get your input on the current rules we have and any changes you want to see happen. I can't guarantee that I will make a change just because you want one, as there will have to be a few people thinking along the same lines as you. Even so, I want to see if you think any changes should be made, and this is the place to let me know.

(This isn't limited to scoring rules, by the way. If you have any thoughts on any other rules (which can be found by clicking on "League Rules" under the "League" tab), please let me know. I would like to get them finalized in the next couple of days, as the first drafts are on Sunday.)

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Points per reception

I would rather just have 1 point per reception vs a bonus over 10. Makes a guy like Devone bess who gets 6 catches for 65 yards more valuable and thus…useful.

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by CapitolLions on Aug 25, 2009 2:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I like PPR too

by KDawg on Aug 25, 2009 2:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

It also makes workhorse RBs, who catch passes out of the backfield, that much more valuable

by KDawg on Aug 25, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

and makes a guy think about drafting MJD over AP...

I wouldn’t but its a valid argument in PPR

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by CapitolLions on Aug 25, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Right

Because AP isn’t exactly a threat out of the backfield to catch passes…..

by KDawg on Aug 25, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Hey..I said I wouldn't do it..but I won't be suprised if in one of my 4 drafts either Forte or MJD goes #1

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by CapitolLions on Aug 25, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Sorry

I was agreeing with you…..lol

by KDawg on Aug 25, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Check..thought it was saracsm...hard to tell in type! HAHA

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by CapitolLions on Aug 25, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yup....

…..Im in a league where its a pont for every 3 receptions…..Ive always likes point per reception

by BennieBladesFan on Aug 25, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

now that I wouldn't mind

but I think that 1 PPR is a bit much IMO

by wingnut91 on Aug 25, 2009 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree

I could go for 1 point for every 3 catches, completions, etc.

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by Sean Yuille on Aug 25, 2009 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

The rule this year is

You folks get your a$$e$ handed to you and I win. Sounds good to me.

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by Jettero2112 on Aug 25, 2009 3:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Here goes

Sean….I like the Team Defense and Kicking rules…..however I would like to see some points given for return yards. Maybe 1 point for every 10 return yards, or even 1 point for every 25 return yards. I think this would make the WR pool a bit deeper too.

My other comments, pertaining to the scoring rules, mirror what has already been said. I think 1 point per reception is far better than bonus points for so many receptions. I also enjoy leagues where the QB gets points for completions….IE +2 per completion and -1 per attempt. Without that, QBs seem awfully weak in this league. For example, a QB could be 24-36 for 300 yards and 2 TDS (less than 50 yard bombs) and only get 25 pts (37 points if you added +2 per completion and -1 per attempt). A RB who rushes for 150 yards and 2 TDs (less than 50 yards) gets 28 pts. It is my opinion that it is harder for a QB to throw for 300 yards and 2 TDs (most of them) than it is for a RB to rush for 150 and 2 TDs.

I can deal with the rules the way they are, but I want to add that if you do change it to more of a PPR format, then adding the points for completions for QBs should also be added for balance. Otherwise it becomes obvious that WRs and RBs are the focal point….and whoever gets the best ones will probably win the league (in my opinion).

by KDawg on Aug 25, 2009 4:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

In case you guys couldn't tell....

I am an advocate of Yahoo FF….:o)

by KDawg on Aug 25, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I like Yahoo! as well.

I’m in several keeper leagues there.

I think 1/25 would be good for return yards and I agree with having the QB getting + points for completions and -points for incompletes. Is it set up for the QB to get yards for rushing as well? Don’t remember of the top of my head.

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by Jettero2112 on Aug 25, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Rushing yards are not listed under QBs, and receiving yards are not listed under RBs....

But I assumed that they were all inclusive, no matter who does the throwing, rushing, catching, or scoring…..meaning I think QBs, RBs, and WRs would all get pts for rushing yards as well as RBs and WRs etc for receiving yards and the like.

by KDawg on Aug 25, 2009 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

This is correct

It says “All” next to those stats, which means anyone can get them.

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by Sean Yuille on Aug 25, 2009 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

1 point for 10 return yards?!?!??!?!?

Josh Cribs becomes a valid #2 WR then…not sure about that…maybe 1 point for 25 return yards?

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by CapitolLions on Aug 25, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I was just thinking.....

RBs get 1 pt for 10 yards rushing, WRs get 1 pt for 10 yards receiving…..why not 1 pt for 10 yards of returning? I did say maybe 1 point per 25 return yards too…..simply because there are some WR2s out there that catch passes, get yards, and also handle return duties. I do not see too many of them who are that versatile, and those that are that versatile typically are not allowed to do it all. Let’s say all a guy does is return punts and kicks…..let’s say he has 250 all purpose yards for a game (does that really happen that often for kick returners?). What is wrong with a guy like that being worth 25 pts when he is obviously making a huge contribution to his team? If it was only 10 pts (1 pt per 25 yds) then there is really no value in that type of player, and it would be pointless to include points for return yards, other than for extra points for guys who do both returning and receiving.

by KDawg on Aug 25, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

i look at it like this...it is WAY easier for a KR on a bad team to get 100 KR yards than for a WR to get 100 receiving yards...

Plus it would water down the WR pool. I am against is the same way I am against a “Flex” position. I don’t like being in leauges where everyone ends up with studs at each spot and it becomes a luck fest…i want to be held accountable for the Draft…if i screw up my WR3 pick, I shouldn’t be able to go out there, pick up Avion Cason who is getting 80 Return yards a game and get 8 pts a week for him

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by CapitolLions on Aug 25, 2009 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I see your point there

I was just trying to think of a way to make the WR pool deeper….

by KDawg on Aug 25, 2009 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I understand. I just appreciate the toughness

don’t want it to be deeper…you gotta do your homework and draft the Boldin, Colston, Lance Moore, Earnest Ghram, Derrick Ward of this year!!!

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by CapitolLions on Aug 25, 2009 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think ppr will widen the WR pool

by ATL Lion on Aug 26, 2009 9:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

good point...

I am just used to PPR i guess

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by CapitolLions on Aug 26, 2009 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm with you there

Returners can go at least 10-15 yards before getting touched by anyone, so I don’t know if I would want to do points for returns. Maybe a bonus if a return is long enough, but I’m not all that sure.

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by Sean Yuille on Aug 25, 2009 7:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

they do get a bonus...if its long enought for a TD they get 6 points LOL

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by CapitolLions on Aug 25, 2009 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Lol

Very true.

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by Sean Yuille on Aug 25, 2009 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I was just making the suggestion

With 12 teams, during the weeks that teams have bye week issues (and there will be some) their roster is weaker and the competition follows. I was thinking maybe by giving some points for return yards (even if it is just 1 pt for 25 return yards) that maybe teams could be a little more competitive if they are forced to play backups to fill their starting rosters for a given week. Either way it goes, I am cool with it. It just changes my draft strategy a bit.

by KDawg on Aug 25, 2009 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

FYI

Just as an example, Darren Sproles (who I think we all know is the backup to LT in SD) had 53 kick returns and 22 punt returns last year. He was third in the league in kick return yardage with 1376 yards (137 pts at 1 per 10 yds). He scored 1 TD on KR (6 pts). He had 249 punt return yards and no TDs (another 24 pts at 1 per 10 yds). That would be a total of 161 pts for his kick returns. He had 330 yards rushing and one rushing TD (without bonuses for distance that = 39 pts). He had 29 catches for 342 yards and 5 TDs (without bonuses that = 64 pts). He also lost 2 fumbles (-4 pts). Without points for KRs, he totals 39+64-4 = 99 pts (he currently projects for 120 pts this year in our league, FYI). With 1 pt per 10 yards returning, he would have 99+161 = 260 pts (which averages out to 16 pts per game over 16 games). That would make him a viable backup option whether he starts at RB for the Chargers or not. Maybe that is a little too much, but it would definitely deepen the pools for both WRs and RBs and make things more interesting in my opinion. Even at 1 pt for 25 yards it would have given him 163 fantasy pts (without bonuses)….making him a better backup option as well.

by KDawg on Aug 25, 2009 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

he is an exception to the rule...

and what happens if LT goes down, then Sproles is all of a sudden a top 5 RB..lol

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by CapitolLions on Aug 25, 2009 10:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Then the lucky SOB who drafted him gets a bonus??

by KDawg on Aug 26, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

And that is my point.....

He is an exception to the rule…..most likely the very best option as a return man in the NFL. SO what would it hurt to boost some of these other guys who only return kicks?

by KDawg on Aug 26, 2009 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Kdawg...sorry I am all over you today...

but isn’t it the point that who ever drafts the best players has the best chance to win? HAHA

“whoever gets the best ones will probably win the league (in my opinion).”

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by CapitolLions on Aug 25, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yes

But what I meant was the best WRs and RBs……..

by KDawg on Aug 25, 2009 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

And this is a discussion, so I expect it.....:o)

by KDawg on Aug 25, 2009 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I don't like it when you get 6 points for passing TDs...it should be less due simply to the volume

I have been in waaaaaaaaay too man QB dominate set ups…

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by CapitolLions on Aug 25, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think that is only fair too

If a RB, WR, TE, and DEF gets 6 pts for TDs, then a QB should too…..there are 12 teams. The top 12 QBs in the league for TD passes last season were in a range between 19 and 34 TD passes. 34 * 6 = 204 and 19 * 6 = 114. If you take away the points that some of the better QBs get for TD passes, then once again you put even more emphasis on the RBs and WRs…..making the pool for those positions even thinner than they already are as everyone will be snatching them up left and right.

by KDawg on Aug 25, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

see notes above...harder and thinner pools of players is better than everyone having studs

make the draft count…not the FA wire

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by CapitolLions on Aug 25, 2009 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I have to disagree with you you have to have a good QB to have a fantasy team and if you take away 6 pts for a touchdown you just take away the QB. So theres no sense in have Brady or Brees.

by wingnut91 on Aug 25, 2009 6:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

No you make the Passing TDs worth 4 points..not take them away all together HAHA

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by CapitolLions on Aug 25, 2009 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

there is a big difference between...

A. Peterson

1700 15 TD = 260 points

Brady

4200 35 TDs = 378 points at 6 pts per TD and 308 at 4 points per…

With 6 points per TD for QBs..the first 5 pics should be QB’s…and we all know thats not how it works..

There is a reason that most FFB sites default passing TDs at 4 points…and yardage a 1 for 25 or MORE…

Why not just make it 1 point for 10 passing yards and have Stafford out point Adrian Peterson?

HAHA

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by CapitolLions on Aug 25, 2009 6:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

yes but thats why you have 2 or 3 RB

not 2 or 3 QB’s in the league. My other league has 2 QB’s now thats unfair but I dont see a prob with 1 QB and 2 RB and flex (3 RB’s). And what is ultimately deeper RB or QB’s? Look at how our Lions drafted this year QB 1st. If you choose to draft a QB in the first round rather then a RB then thats your choice.

by wingnut91 on Aug 25, 2009 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

It is all about choices...

and i have no doubt I will make good ones regardless of the point format…

i prefer

QB, RB, RB, WR, WR, WR, TE, DEF K and 8 Bench…with

rush/rec TDs 6, 10 rush/rec yards 1, PPR for all players, no KR/PR yards and i even like the KR/PR points to go to the team defense and the individual player…

But, I will draft with whatever we want, I have been playing FFB since i was drafting Barry on a sheet of paper in 1995….no kidding

And, I can’t get enough…

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by CapitolLions on Aug 25, 2009 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs