Lions at Saints - Overflow Thread #3

hopefully my bad mojo helps the lions. I didnt watch the FSU-Jacksonville St. game until 2 minutes left in the 4th quarter and the Noles won. I haaaaaaaaate FSU.

by sahaider on Sep 13, 2009 4:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Pierson should have made that play but took a horrible angle

by ImPuLsE on Sep 13, 2009 4:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Someone is going to get called out by the Saints fan that said Brees would throw for 6

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by Sean Yuille on Sep 13, 2009 4:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I said they wouldn't get a TD on the ground.....knock on wood

by KDawg on Sep 13, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

lol I was just thinking that....was that you Dawg?

by JCruize on Sep 13, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

It was on the front page.....I'll go look

by KDawg on Sep 13, 2009 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

in the redzone Brees hasnt missed

by Liontotheextreme on Sep 13, 2009 4:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I remember reading that,

but I don’t remember who it was.

by Lead Hunter on Sep 13, 2009 4:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I'm sure it was probably me

by KDawg on Sep 13, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Talking mad shit

by KDawg on Sep 13, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

well I said Brees grew breast

by JCruize on Sep 13, 2009 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

LOL

I wish he had!

by KDawg on Sep 13, 2009 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I said when was the last time Brees threw for 6 TDs.....

in the same comment that I said they will not score on the ground…..

I was not overly cocky…..just figured it was unlikely that he would throw 6 TD passes….and I was wrong.

by KDawg on Sep 13, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

link

http://www.prideofdetroit.com/2009/9/9/1022900/perfect-situation#

by KDawg on Sep 13, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Don't forget this one KDawg

My prediction:
Lions – 24
Saints – 27

It will come down to a late FG. I think it could easily go the other way too…..if we control the time of possession.

:P

We didn't lose the games, we just ran out of time -- Bobby Layne

by detpistons3 on Sep 13, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

LMAO

ok, so I was a little low on the score prediction…..we should have been winning this game……

by KDawg on Sep 13, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed

We had a bunch of chances that weren’t capatilized on, as well as defensvie lapses. Schwartz will no doubt have alot of fun with this game film

We didn't lose the games, we just ran out of time -- Bobby Layne

by detpistons3 on Sep 13, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Too many big tipped balls that have fallen to the turf

by WestsideLionsFan on Sep 13, 2009 4:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Brown returns the kick to the 16

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by Sean Yuille on Sep 13, 2009 4:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

damn.....

Brees is s God MC.

What the f$%k is the internet?

by FreeBradshaw on Sep 13, 2009 4:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

On the bright side

Brees has over 50 points for me in FF

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by Sean Yuille on Sep 13, 2009 4:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Screen to Smith goes for 10

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by Sean Yuille on Sep 13, 2009 4:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Make it 9

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by Sean Yuille on Sep 13, 2009 4:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Draw to Smith

Barely gets the first.

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by Sean Yuille on Sep 13, 2009 4:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Maualuga

6 tackles 2 ast in 7-12 loss to Den. Delmas looks better.

by WestsideLionsFan on Sep 13, 2009 4:15 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Stafford throws it over Smith

Nearly picked off again.

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by Sean Yuille on Sep 13, 2009 4:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Blitz forces a bad pass

3rd and 10

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by Sean Yuille on Sep 13, 2009 4:16 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Ugh

7 Guys blitz, one guy HAS to be open!

We didn't lose the games, we just ran out of time -- Bobby Layne

by detpistons3 on Sep 13, 2009 4:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Another screen

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by Sean Yuille on Sep 13, 2009 4:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Smith leaps forward

Close to a first but probably short.

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by Sean Yuille on Sep 13, 2009 4:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

well at least Staff got his first game out of the way

by JCruize on Sep 13, 2009 4:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

4th and 1

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by Sean Yuille on Sep 13, 2009 4:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Lions going for it

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by Sean Yuille on Sep 13, 2009 4:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

6:40 and counting left

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by Sean Yuille on Sep 13, 2009 4:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Lions are at their 36

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by Sean Yuille on Sep 13, 2009 4:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

4th and 1

We have to get this one

We didn't lose the games, we just ran out of time -- Bobby Layne

by detpistons3 on Sep 13, 2009 4:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Wonder is Schwartz is rethinking

his decision to start staff

by WestsideLionsFan on Sep 13, 2009 4:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

1st-game jitters and wake-up call for Stafford

Welcome to the NFL….this is what the regular season is like. Expected this sort of thing. More interested in if he improves next week, or regresses.

What? He can’t block a dead gopher? Humph, details.

by GRLion on Sep 13, 2009 4:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Yeah

The Vikes game is the big one

2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).

by Hyperion Ecta on Sep 13, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Really close to delay of game

We didn't lose the games, we just ran out of time -- Bobby Layne

by detpistons3 on Sep 13, 2009 4:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Timeout NO before the snap

Stafford took a big hit anyway.

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by Sean Yuille on Sep 13, 2009 4:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Bryant Johnson makes a great catch for a first down

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by Sean Yuille on Sep 13, 2009 4:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Wow!

by explosivo2k2 on Sep 13, 2009 4:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Good Catch

And good throw on the run

by ImPuLsE on Sep 13, 2009 4:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Nice catch by BJ

by KDawg on Sep 13, 2009 4:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Stafford faked the handoff and ran the bootleg

Johnson juggled it but made the catch despite having two guys on him.

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by Sean Yuille on Sep 13, 2009 4:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

That was a great catch

by WestsideLionsFan on Sep 13, 2009 4:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Pretty pass, there

by Trysdor on Sep 13, 2009 4:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Stafford to Smith for 7

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by Sean Yuille on Sep 13, 2009 4:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

i think the other CB, 32, actually helped

by sgdbw90 on Sep 13, 2009 4:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Staff overthrows Calvin

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by Sean Yuille on Sep 13, 2009 4:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

more experience for stafford

by sgdbw90 on Sep 13, 2009 4:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

We may not be a playoff team this year

but I definitely see improvement

by WestsideLionsFan on Sep 13, 2009 4:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

agreed

by sgdbw90 on Sep 13, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

3rd and 3

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by Sean Yuille on Sep 13, 2009 4:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Stafford to CJ

How many times has he overthrown him today when he had a step on his defender?

by mrcooms on Sep 13, 2009 4:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

he'll learn

by sgdbw90 on Sep 13, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Theres a hit to the head

by ImPuLsE on Sep 13, 2009 4:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Staff hits Figurs on the slant

And NO was flagged for a helmet to helmet hit I’m guessing.

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by Sean Yuille on Sep 13, 2009 4:21 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

he had time to set his feet, that was right on the money

by stumpy8100 on Sep 13, 2009 4:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Figurs made a catch

I thought that wasn’t his thing

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by Hyperion Ecta on Sep 13, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Check that

Holding on the defense.

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by Sean Yuille on Sep 13, 2009 4:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

stafford looks exhausted

by sahaider on Sep 13, 2009 4:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

With all of these checkdowns

I think maybe Joey H shivved Staff in the parking lot and Staff’s place. Someone check and make sure that’s not a mask.

by WBL on Sep 13, 2009 4:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Stafford is picked off by Sharper

He had all day to throw and just made another bad pass.

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by Sean Yuille on Sep 13, 2009 4:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Sharper is all over us

by KDawg on Sep 13, 2009 4:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

sharper loves picking off lions

by WestsideLionsFan on Sep 13, 2009 4:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Staff with another pick

Sharper is eating him alive

We didn't lose the games, we just ran out of time -- Bobby Layne

by detpistons3 on Sep 13, 2009 4:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

my god

by ImPuLsE on Sep 13, 2009 4:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Man it would have sucked to have that guy....lol

by KDawg on Sep 13, 2009 4:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

And a late hit

Not sure who it was on.

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by Sean Yuille on Sep 13, 2009 4:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

On Raiola I think

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by Sean Yuille on Sep 13, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

no reason to keep the starters in now

would just risk injuries

by WestsideLionsFan on Sep 13, 2009 4:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

time to stop watching, he choked alot today

by Liontotheextreme on Sep 13, 2009 4:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Someone want to take over play-by-play updates?

I’m gonna go start to write the recap.

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by Sean Yuille on Sep 13, 2009 4:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I would

But I don’t have a video

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by Hyperion Ecta on Sep 13, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I got it Sean

We didn't lose the games, we just ran out of time -- Bobby Layne

by detpistons3 on Sep 13, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

maybe i was wrong.

perhaps Stafford should not be starting.

by RoamingLion on Sep 13, 2009 4:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Too late now.

No turning back without undermining him. Ah well.

by WBL on Sep 13, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Its easy he choked, enough said

by Liontotheextreme on Sep 13, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

No no......

No backing out on your boy now…..he’s the man for the whole year remember? We have to stick with him now.

by KDawg on Sep 13, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

And we're gonna have to

Don’t want to have the rest of the team second guessing him.

by WBL on Sep 13, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Gotta remember

Peyton Manning was 3-13 his first year. He has to learn at some time or another

by mrcooms on Sep 13, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Larry Foote has been great in the middle.....

by KDawg on Sep 13, 2009 4:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I am fine with Staff

we all knew he would have games like this

by JCruize on Sep 13, 2009 4:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Exactly

I’ll be worried if he does it three times in a row.

2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).

by Hyperion Ecta on Sep 13, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

but where was the running game?

by JCruize on Sep 13, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Don't know

2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).

by Hyperion Ecta on Sep 13, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

its hard to put the whole offense on a rookie without any run support

by JCruize on Sep 13, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Bell running all over us

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by Sean Yuille on Sep 13, 2009 4:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Manning

Threw 11 picks his first 4 games and only 3 TDs

by ImPuLsE on Sep 13, 2009 4:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

16 yard run by Bell

1st down

We didn't lose the games, we just ran out of time -- Bobby Layne

by detpistons3 on Sep 13, 2009 4:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Another Bell carry, about 7 yards

We didn't lose the games, we just ran out of time -- Bobby Layne

by detpistons3 on Sep 13, 2009 4:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

make that 5

We didn't lose the games, we just ran out of time -- Bobby Layne

by detpistons3 on Sep 13, 2009 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Mike Bell is killing us, another first down run

We didn't lose the games, we just ran out of time -- Bobby Layne

by detpistons3 on Sep 13, 2009 4:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

why do our guys keep sprinting at brees like they're gonna run play action?

they’re killing the clock

by stumpy8100 on Sep 13, 2009 4:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

our defense stopped caring after that last interception

by Liontotheextreme on Sep 13, 2009 4:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Bush bounce to the outside

1st down.

We didn't lose the games, we just ran out of time -- Bobby Layne

by detpistons3 on Sep 13, 2009 4:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

we know they're running

why fall for that PA

by sahaider on Sep 13, 2009 4:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Our defense looks dead

We didn't lose the games, we just ran out of time -- Bobby Layne

by detpistons3 on Sep 13, 2009 4:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Given up I suspect

2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).

by Hyperion Ecta on Sep 13, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

they are going to care on Monday when Gun bites into them

by JCruize on Sep 13, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I'm glad we made it competitive... at times

This is a performance to build off of and we probably won’t face a better offense this year

by WestsideLionsFan on Sep 13, 2009 4:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Also, Staff will only gain experience and poise from here

by WestsideLionsFan on Sep 13, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

we'll see about that.

it depends on how strong he is and how he stands up to a performance like this and the reception he gets in detroit

by sahaider on Sep 13, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

And he looked more poised

Until we started asking him to win the game for us. Too much for a kid making his first start.

by Trysdor on Sep 13, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

They may be true

If we can give him some semblance of blocking next week. Curious to see what the Williams Wall will look like against our line if they play the same way next week.

by WBL on Sep 13, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Good point

There is some positives to move forward with.

2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).

by Hyperion Ecta on Sep 13, 2009 4:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

now they are going to let them prove me wrong about scoring on the ground.....

by KDawg on Sep 13, 2009 4:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Lions ran 20 times for 33 yards

by explosivo2k2 on Sep 13, 2009 4:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

1st and goal inside the 5

We didn't lose the games, we just ran out of time -- Bobby Layne

by detpistons3 on Sep 13, 2009 4:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Reggie bush run, touchdown

But a penalty

We didn't lose the games, we just ran out of time -- Bobby Layne

by detpistons3 on Sep 13, 2009 4:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Holding on the offense

We didn't lose the games, we just ran out of time -- Bobby Layne

by detpistons3 on Sep 13, 2009 4:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

holding

by KDawg on Sep 13, 2009 4:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Still 1st and goal

We didn't lose the games, we just ran out of time -- Bobby Layne

by detpistons3 on Sep 13, 2009 4:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Reggie with a 3 yard carry, 2nd down

We didn't lose the games, we just ran out of time -- Bobby Layne

by detpistons3 on Sep 13, 2009 4:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Quick question

Didn’t Foote and Peterson say that the D played vanilla during the pre-season and that there was more to it?

Ummmm…. Was there?

by WBL on Sep 13, 2009 4:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I haven't seen it

by Lead Hunter on Sep 13, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Run to Bell, stopped behind the line. 3rd and goal.

We didn't lose the games, we just ran out of time -- Bobby Layne

by detpistons3 on Sep 13, 2009 4:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Last run, clock is running down now

We didn't lose the games, we just ran out of time -- Bobby Layne

by detpistons3 on Sep 13, 2009 4:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Game

45-27 Saints

by KDawg on Sep 13, 2009 4:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Stafford...27.4 QB Rating

From my point of view…he’s lost confidence as the game wore on…being down in a big hole doesn’t help.

by TigerPaw on Sep 13, 2009 4:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Ouch

That’s an ugly stat

We didn't lose the games, we just ran out of time -- Bobby Layne

by detpistons3 on Sep 13, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Game Over

Final Score Saints :45 Lions 27

We didn't lose the games, we just ran out of time -- Bobby Layne

by detpistons3 on Sep 13, 2009 4:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

THEY DID NOT SCORE ON US ON THE GROUND ONCE!

by KDawg on Sep 13, 2009 4:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

They did it 4 times to us last year.....4 rushing TDs

by KDawg on Sep 13, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Secondary needs revamping

We didn't lose the games, we just ran out of time -- Bobby Layne

by detpistons3 on Sep 13, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Buchanon may have been helpful today.

by WBL on Sep 13, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Yes

We showed improvement on rushing defense…..at least in the scoring aspect. Bell had a career game yardage wise.

by KDawg on Sep 13, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Lions 2009 : 0 - 1

Didn’t expect anything different

2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).

by Hyperion Ecta on Sep 13, 2009 4:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Never doughted you KDawg

by Lead Hunter on Sep 13, 2009 4:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

lol

They had me worried there a few times…..

by KDawg on Sep 13, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

We were competitive.....and we were in the game all the way until near the end

by KDawg on Sep 13, 2009 4:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I never expected us to be competitive in this game

so I’m not feeling too bad

by WestsideLionsFan on Sep 13, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Effort was there

And we showed flashes, that should convert into a couple of wins this season.

2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).

by Hyperion Ecta on Sep 13, 2009 4:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Get used to it folks

Part of the growing pains of a team that’s had 60% personnel turnover.

Gotta give the kid time to learn, the only way you learn is by making mistakes and correcting him.

BTW officiating was AWFUL

by Nate D. on Sep 13, 2009 4:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

True

2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).

by Hyperion Ecta on Sep 13, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Agreed

But we need to work on our red zone offense and capitalizing on turnovers…..

by KDawg on Sep 13, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

That game would have been close

And if we didn’t win, it would have looked a lot more respectable if we had capitalized on turnovers.

by KDawg on Sep 13, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not only that

But if our running game had shown up in LA it would have been nice.

by Nate D. on Sep 13, 2009 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Does Drew have any thoughts?

We didn't lose the games, we just ran out of time -- Bobby Layne

by detpistons3 on Sep 13, 2009 4:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Drew Brees does....lol

I bet he’s thinking, “Man I wish it was that easy every week”.

by KDawg on Sep 13, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Nah

I think he’s thinking something like “Don’t they realize the preseason is over?”

We didn't lose the games, we just ran out of time -- Bobby Layne

by detpistons3 on Sep 13, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

A positive

We won the 3rd quarter 17-10

2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).

by Hyperion Ecta on Sep 13, 2009 4:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Thoughts

> Little to no Pettigrew, he would’ve helped out Staff alot because he’s a big target. Kind of like a security blanket.

> The Secondary, wow just wow. Buchanon can’t come back quick enough

> Calvin didn’t get the ball enough. They tried to throw to him, but most didn’t connect. That needs to change. On a team with little talent, you need to take advantage your advantages.

> Kevin Smith didn’t have the game we needed him to have.

> Refs are garbage, all of them

> Yes, Drew Brees really is that good

> Our Run defense wasn’t all that terrible at first, then we let Mike Bell look like Steven Jackson

> There’s gonna be alot of growing pains with Staff

> Damn losing really makes you hungry.

We didn't lose the games, we just ran out of time -- Bobby Layne

by detpistons3 on Sep 13, 2009 4:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs