Tuesday Notes: Kevin Smith Hoping to Play on Sunday
- Specific details about Kevin Smith's injury weren't released (Jim Schwartz didn't want to elaborate beyond the fact that it's a shoulder injury), but Smith did shed some light on how he is feeling right now.
"I’m alive," Smith said today. "I’m not ready to play if we had to play a game tomorrow, and that’s just probably because of the general soreness. But I’m 22 years old. I usually heal pretty fast. I don’t have any bone damage or anything like that."
I'd be willing to bet that Smith will be questionable on Sunday and ultimately play if he isn't in too much pain. If the injury is only a bruise or something like that, then he just needs time to heal. Considering how great of a game he had on Sunday and how important the Lions' running game is in their overall gameplan, I really hope Smith is able to play.
Asked if it was just a bruise, Smith said: "I don’t know yet. I’m about to go walk in there and find out. I haven’t gotten my results yet. But they say I’m not out of it, so that’s a good sign." - DeAndre Levy played a hell of a game in his first career NFL start, and Jim Schwartz had nothing but good things to say about him yesterday. John Niyo asked what will happen when Ernie Sims comes back from his injury, but Schwartz unsurprisingly didn't answer the question. It is one worth asking, though, as it will be interesting to see if Levy stays in the starting lineup a little bit longer than expected or if Sims is back out there with the first-string when he is healthy enough to play.
- Stephen Peterman is not afraid to admit that he cries "all the time."
- Despite being active on Sunday, Phillip Buchanon was benched in favor of Will James.
- If you are going to win DIRECTV's contest for being the "Ultimate Displaced Fan," you will have to top a Cowboys fan who won the whole thing last year by turning his garage into his own Texas Stadium.
- Due to bad weather yesterday, the extremely important Twins-Tigers series is now going to feature four games in three days (with two of them being played today). Basically the entire season rests on the outcome of this series, as the Tigers can either pull away and win the division or fade and find themselves in a deep hole heading into the weekend. For full coverage of the Tigers, check out Bless You Boys.
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So far no major injury for Smith and his shoulder, I'd be thrilled if he could play at least 15 carries.
keep him rested don’t use him too much, just to keep the chains moving and let Morris take the brunt of the carries between the tackles. Please don’t let this Buchanon issue become an ego thing. If the guy’s healthy then get him on the field, Schwartz made his point to him and the team DON’T BE PUSSIES AND PLAY A LITTLE HURT IF YOU NEED TO…
by msivits on Sep 29, 2009 6:55 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It's good to hear about Smith
I like what msivits said, keep his carries down a touch. Also, I’d like to see Levy keep his form up for another 4 or 5 games before thinking about what to do with Sims.
2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).
by Hyperion Ecta on Sep 29, 2009 8:03 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
HE is must be the Aussie in you
Your always the pragmatic one on the board!! LOL
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by NYCLionsfan on Sep 29, 2009 9:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with HE
Keep Levy in the games for another 4 or 5 games see how he perfoms, if he does good in starting those games let’s see what we can get for Sims. Sorry Sims I like you but if we could get a decent draft pick for him, 2nd or even a 3rd rounder might want to pull the trigger, his rookie contract has to be coming up and he doesn’t fit the mold of our new LB…
by msivits on Sep 29, 2009 8:36 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Im not sure.....
…..if we could get a 2nd but maybe a 3rd and defenitly a 4th…….And I do believe tha twe will trade Culpepper to someone for a 5th or 6th at some point……Lets face it we need more draft picks again…..Right now we have 8 for next year……I like Sims but if we could get a 3rd for him and Levy continues to play well id take it.
by BennieBladesFan on Sep 29, 2009 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Keep Sims
remember Peterson is not a long term solution. And there is always that chance the Lions could swith to a 3-4.
by JCruize on Sep 29, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
Not sure if I’d like a 3-4 D, but people must remember that the linebacking core we have right now is a quick fix. We’ve got guys waiting in the wings once a winning mentality is established, and Sims can be the leader of those guys. But Peterson and even Foote are short term solutions.
by giggy09 on Sep 29, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
3-4?
I don’t see Peterson signing here again after his current contract is up, but Foote signed a 1yr deal as a tryout, and if he keeps playing the way he has I will be FURIOUS if they don’t lock him into a 4yr deal.
I wouldn’t mind seeing the Lions play around with a 3-4 defence after Sims comes back.
by j16941 on Sep 29, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
foote wants to stay
he wants to finish in detroit. peterson i could care less about.
would love to see a 3-4 in detroit!! Cohen-Jackson-Hunter up front…then tons of speed, not tons of size at the lb’s…not sure it would work right now…but would love to see it come to town. personally, i almost feel it coming within a year or two, the pressure it can create feeds into gunny’s system…
by londonlion on Sep 29, 2009 12:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Were to small
Our guys are too small for a 3-4 not enough mass or an automatic dbl team guy. Our d-line is the lighest in the divison even with the backups.
by lionsfan64 on Sep 29, 2009 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Need more
As a Spartan fan i love that we have him, but we are not getting enough push from the front 4. The most pressure we get is sending in the 5th or 6th man, and that leaves other options for them. And we need to hear Peterson`s name more. We don`t get enough pressure with 4 or 5 men rushing, how can we think of taking a man from the line in a base defense, that just opens up more running lanes without that automatic double team guy up front. ( We don`t have Jerry Ball and GreenBay has B.J Raji as a backup ).
by lionsfan64 on Sep 30, 2009 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have you noticed how wide the Dline lines up?
It’s pretty close to a 3-4…lol
by CLF on Sep 29, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats why i think the lions are closer than most may think to switching to a 3-4...
not that i think it will be this year at all, maybe not even next year…but i don’t think it is too far down the line if this staff stays intact.
by londonlion on Sep 29, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not the only reason why...but one of sorry
by londonlion on Sep 29, 2009 1:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dont forget about a Arvil..
I think he would be very good in a 3-4 as a LB. He natural size of 6-3 255lb, is about what you want. Then look at Fluellen on one end. Hunter at the other. Hill in the DT. That is some size on the line. I dont think it will be this year. But I think. If the Lions draft another LB. I think Schwartz will make the switch. Peterson did play in the 3-4 at SF. And Levy played in the 3-4 at Wisconsin. Not to mention Foote. Who we all know played in a 3-4. Schwartz learned alot about defense from Belichick.
by JCruize on Sep 30, 2009 1:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't even think about trading Sims!!!
Foote is playing well, but wants a big contract next year, and Peterson is slowwwly coming around, but not such an impact so far, and Dizon is playing well in a limited role. Keep all your badass LB’s. for now, and the future.
by dylan415 on Sep 29, 2009 8:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This goes back to Schwartz comments in pre-season
He didn’t particularly like Sims from the start. I can’t find any links but didn’t he say something about Ernie that was a bit mediocre in tone prior to the season? We know dizon is probably a career backup / special teams, and I think Schwartz drafted Levy for a reason.
It will be interesting to see when Avril is healthy, with him back in the rotation and levy in there, how our defense looks, as I think they are the starters moving forward. Altho Avril hasn’t been too impressive in my mind.
I also think that after this weeks game, and seeing morris and brown try to fill in for K Smooth, we got to see the real value he brings to the team. I’m a little worried about our depth at RB.
by MatthewDC on Sep 29, 2009 8:45 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
They use Dizon almost as a
Hybrid Safety…. He is in on passing downs and has been blitzing like crazy. He’s playing a role, and I think he’s happy with it.
by CLF on Sep 29, 2009 9:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i was saying that earlier in the season...speed, hitting, just has to learn coverage
the gun loves sims, schwartz may not be impressed with him, but gunny needs that speed rush.
by londonlion on Sep 29, 2009 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure
I agree with HE and MSVITS about keeping K Smith carries to a minimum IF he does play against the Bears. We desperately need him to average 4.5 yards a carry. Having Staff throw on 3rd and 3 instead of 3rd and 8 makes a world of difference.
As far as Sims I haven’t been overly impressed with his play since Shaun Rogers left. He can tackle but he is not an impact player – I don’t know if Levy is either yet but we need an IMPACT LB, a LB who creates turnovers AND tackles. Right now I guess I would rather have Sims in there but, as someone else mentioned, I don’t think Schwartz is sold on Sims – and nor am I.
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by NYCLionsfan on Sep 29, 2009 9:01 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ernie Simms
Tim Ryan said it well yesterday on Sirius…
’He’s got nothing upstairs, but The kid is one hell of an athlete…almost like a RB playing linebacker.’
I have to agree. I just don’t think Simms is smart enough to be a starting LB in this league. That being said, he is still an outstanding athlete and if no trade partners can be found, he’d still make a good backup/special teams/scheme guy.
by CLF on Sep 29, 2009 9:05 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hate to say it but I agree, he doen't look like there's alot going on upstairs
I know foote is on a one year deal and Peterson is getting old but I don’t want to lock up alot of money into a avg player… Jeff Backus anyone!!!!!! Remember New England hates 1st round draft picks becuase of the money involved, I’m pretty sure they will keep the pick from the raiders, maybe they would swing a trade for Sims… Them or the Chiefs… Not giving up on the kid, if Levy keeps playing well maybe Gunner puts some 3-4 lineups in to get both Sims and Levy on the field…
by msivits on Sep 29, 2009 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
gunny to sims
see ball….get ball. likely not…but when he sees ball he attacks with speed like few others…that you can’t coach…who cares whats upstairs if gunny sends him all day on the blitz…i don’t need him in coverage…leave that to the wiser foote/peterson…and perhaps levy (shy of the one to shiancoe)
by londonlion on Sep 29, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
imagine sims & follett
coming off the edge in a 3-4? tons of speed & big hitters…won’t have the smarts to pull a harrison type pick from the goal line…but would creat pressure
by londonlion on Sep 29, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, We might need another RB. How about we put him in the backfield? LOL
I think there might be a lot of RBs who were not happy about that remark. Maybe I’m reading it the wrong way.
My initial take was RBs are not as smart as LBs.
My second thought was LBs are not as athletic as RBs.
Either way Tim might have some people pissed off at him.
by NorthLeft12 on Sep 29, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
K. Smith
First of all it’s good to hear that Smith’s injury isn’t too serious.
As for Sims, no matter what Levy does this year (and he was impressive yesterday) I wouldn’t trade him. We need to remember that Foote is on a year contract and Levy was originally drafted to play MLB. Maybe we resign Foote and the coaching staff feels Levy is best suited for OLB….then I would be open to trading Sims.
by Stones1981 on Sep 29, 2009 10:32 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm going with Stones
I still think Sims has a place here with the Lions.
2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).
by Hyperion Ecta on Sep 29, 2009 6:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus we should bring back Peterson
by BennieBladesFan on Sep 29, 2009 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
I think he wants to be here and that helps. He has started a little slow, but he was brought in for his pass rush and i think that will get better, but i think he will help more in the rush contain as the line hopefully starts to jell and he can take a second look before reacting.
by lionsfan64 on Sep 30, 2009 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
go vote stafford rooky of the week on nfl.com
go vote stafford rooky of the week on nfl.com
Just Remember matt... what would Daunte do??
by det32 on Sep 29, 2009 10:36 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
Kevin Smith let em kno, Ernie Sims Break em, Calvin Johnson you already Kno
2009 Detroit Lions 6-10 to 8-8
by DetroitLions 4 life on Sep 29, 2009 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Me too
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by NYCLionsfan on Sep 29, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Done
He deserves it
2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).
by Hyperion Ecta on Sep 29, 2009 6:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ive voted.....
…..like 25 times already
by BennieBladesFan on Sep 29, 2009 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would have thought that was an automatic
I thought this reply would look like a game thread.
by lionsfan64 on Sep 30, 2009 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sims
unfortunately, the nfl is a “what have you done for me lately” league. i think that we can agree that sims is immensely talented, but something is missing. im not saying dump sims, but if levy plays just as well at OLB in the next couple games, i don’t see how we could afford to keep him off the field. if “the pain train” gets on the field and does well, again, i don’t see how we keep him off the field either.
by big smoove on Sep 29, 2009 9:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
...paging Tristan Davis
bring him up please!
by sJe on Sep 29, 2009 11:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
In St. Louis Sunday with my Lions attire on and proud.
In St. Louis and always a fan, I happen to be in the same hotel with 3-4 bus loads of Green Bay Packer fans. It is after the game were the packers had just beaten the Rams and the hole atrium is filled, as I was notice walking up to the bar to have a cold one, many of the fans started clapping and saying at least you did not pass the Bucks in losses and so on and so. I tell you guys it was a real blast with these Packer Fans and we closed the bar and my tab was only $30.00. On the way back to florida I traveled through charlotte and they the night loss to Dallas it was a hole different story how that the Lions got lucky and if they played panthers they would have been 03 and panthers would now be 1-2. Screw the Panther fans Love my Lions Go Lions!!!!!
by fflorida fan on Sep 30, 2009 10:36 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ernie Sims
Smoove is right that this is a “what have you done for me lately” league.
And I’d like to go on record here and say that in my opinion, what Ernie Sims has done for the Lions is stand out as the only bright spot on a horrendous defense over the past several years.
I’m somewhat surprised to see that so many Lions fans across this fancy new-fangled world wide interweb have been so quick to call a cab for Ernie.
In his 50 starts over the past 3 years, Sims has more tackles in that span than both Foote and Peterson.. (Or Ray lewis, or Urlacher, or Keith Brooking, or many other players that are perceived as tackling machines in the league).
Don’t get me wrong… I believe the best player should play at each position, no matter who it is. Levy did look decent in his first significant playing time, but I’m just not ready to consider waving goodbye to Ernie Sims based on that.
by abnerman on Sep 30, 2009 11:28 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well said
Completely agree.
2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).
by Hyperion Ecta on Sep 30, 2009 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
I am not one who thinks that Ernie Sims should get sent packing immediately. However, I also can step outside of the box here and see that his time in Detroit may very well be up soon. If he comes back and does not play at a very high level (whether that be because he is injured or because he just can’t get it done), then I am willing to bet that this coaching staff is ready, willing, and able to see if they have someone else who can. I really like Ernie Sims, and I think he has been the best linebacker that we had for a few years now (until now). He led the team in tackles as a rookie and in his second year, he was second on the team in tackles last year (behind Paris Lenon), and he has played in every single game since he was drafted in 2006. He has been durable and willing to get in there and make tough hits, which is why we love him as a solid run stopper.
However, Ernie Sims was also tied for 58th overall (with 33 other NFL linebackers) last year in sacks. You might argue that he had a poor defensive line, but even Ryan Nece and Paris Lenon had more sacks than Sims did last year, not to mention the fact that outside linebackers dominate the top 25 rankings in sacks by linebackers across the entire NFL. For example, Parys Haralson (OLB, SF 49ers) had 8 sacks last year, Julian Peterson had 5 in Seattle, and Kawika Mitchell had 4 in Buffalo, all with average defensive lines (in my opinion). All of those totals are more sacks in one season that Ernie Sims has had in his 3 year (going on to 4 year) career. James Harrison, while playing outside linebacker for the Steelers, racked up 101 tackles AND 16.5 sacks last season alone (DeMarcus Ware had 20 sacks in Dallas)! That is the kind of play WE need from that position (which is why we signed Julian Peterson in hopes that we could generate a pass rush with our linebackers)! Inteceptions (pass coverage) is another area of concern with Sims. It has never been his tackling that was questioned. He has only gotten 1 INT in his career, while guys like Lance Briggs, Karlos Dansby, Scott Fujita, Brandon Johnson, Ben Leber, Kawika Mitchell, and Terrell Suggs are getting 2-3 in one season!
Like I said, Ernie Sims is a good tackler who makes a great deal of stops against the run and on short routes that he is defending. However, there is more than one facet of the game that has to be considered for NFL linebackers, and he may be lacking the ability and/or intelligence to be well rounded in all significant areas concerned. He may look like the best player we have at the position (on a team that lacked any other guys who could make the plays), but there will be time when we have to get someone who is good at more than just making tackles. I’ll be sad to see him go, but I think it is inevitable unless he steps up and shows more than he has so far.
by KDawg on Sep 30, 2009 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting point
Completely agree, we’ll see how he goes when he gets back on the field.
2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).
by Hyperion Ecta on Sep 30, 2009 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
I’m willing to withhold judgement on Ernie for awhile. Let him finish the year. He’s earned that much. Once Gunny gets to the point of blitzing more (waiting on DB’s to play better on an island?), then maybe Ernie will get more of a chance to shine.
One obvious question regarding sacks: Sims played as a coverage OLB in the dreaded Tampa 2, with few blitzes. How many of those teams (SF, BUF, PIT, DAL) played a 3-4 with pass-rushing OLB’s, or even just blitzed a lot? (SF, PIT, DAL play 3-4, off the top of my head)
What? He can’t block a dead gopher? Humph, details.
by GRLion on Oct 1, 2009 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably skewed the sack totals a tad
Good pick-up.
2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).
by Hyperion Ecta on Oct 1, 2009 9:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sacks
GRLion is correct.. You just can’t compare sack stats without considering the defensive systems, utilization of individual players (based on both the scheme and their skill-set, as well as the surrounding players), and the defensive play-calling.
I personally have never expected a high sack number from Ernie Sims. Most likely I was somewhat naturally conditioned not to, due to the fact that I have very rarely seen him sent to rush the passer since he was drafted.
by abnerman on Oct 1, 2009 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah.....
I thought about that after I posted…..valid point.
by KDawg on Oct 1, 2009 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My only question now.....
is why was Schwartz down on Sims during the preseason??
by KDawg on Oct 1, 2009 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dunno
but gunny loves him. schwartz i think prefers the big bodied lb’s who can hold down the middle, fight the run & pund the rb. gunny prefers the see ball get ball all out speed rip your head off kind of lb. together, a great lb corp.
by londonlion on Oct 1, 2009 1:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
On a related question, what about Cliff Avril?
He hasn’t been productive so far this year in the new defense, despite the DE’s being spread wide at the LOS in space, which you think would play to Cliff’s strengths. Is there something in the new scheme/play calling that limits Avril? Is he a bad fit now, or does he just need to step up and get it done?
What? He can’t block a dead gopher? Humph, details.
by GRLion on Oct 2, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
(yeah, I know he's been banged up a bit)
but don’t want to see him use that as an excuse. One tackle in the Saints game, and out since. Schwartz already has addressed that sort of thing with Philip Buchanon.
What? He can’t block a dead gopher? Humph, details.
by GRLion on Oct 2, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe I'm being hard on Avril
Hamstrings can be nagging, and he HAS returned to practice. Like Sims, he’s earned the chance to prove himself, IMO, over the rest of the year. We’ll see, I guess.
What? He can’t block a dead gopher? Humph, details.
by GRLion on Oct 2, 2009 3:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah
Let’s give him some proper time on the field.
2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).
by Hyperion Ecta on Oct 2, 2009 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like Hunter
And I think it would be counterproductive to sit him when he is the only bright spot we have had on the defensive line. I do not think you can start Avril over Hunter at this point, and if they do…..Avril better be on a short leash.
by KDawg on Oct 2, 2009 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sims (again)
i was just thinking, we’re not getting any pressure from the defensive end position, perhaps we could try sims at defensive end. just a thought.
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