Lions Name Matthew Stafford Starting Quarterback
It's official: Matthew Stafford will start at quarterback for the Detroit Lions when they open the season against the New Orleans Saints.
The debate over whether the starter should be Stafford or Daunte Culpepper has raged on from the second news broke that the Lions had signed the former Georgia Bulldog and decided on him as the top pick of the draft. Now, multiple minicamps, a training camp, and a preseason later, the rookie has played well enough to become the starter.
This move is risky in the sense that there really is no going back at this point. Stafford is the starter, and based on what Jim Schwartz said about the decision, the Lions are committed to him through the best and worst of times.
"I was very pleased with what (Stafford) did in the preseason, going back to rookie minicamp and straight through," Schwartz said. "I think he's proven every step along the way that he's ready."
Schwartz was asked Monday if he was committed to weathering the bumpy road with a rookie starting quarterback this season.
"This isn't an internship, this isn't a trial basis," Schwartz said. "He's our starting quarterback."
Stafford obviously proved himself enough in the preseason to get the starting nod. This isn't a case of Culpepper's injury slowing him down or anything like that. If that was why Stafford jumped ahead of Culpepper, Schwartz certainly wouldn't be so committed to him.
Earlier in the summer Schwartz outlined that Stafford would start when he is ready and when the Lions are ready for him. It was evident that Stafford was ready after only one preseason game, and obviously Schwartz has seen enough to know that the Lions are ready for their franchise QB to take the reins and lead this team. Rather than wait, Schwartz has decided that the future is now.
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This is the right decision.....
…….This team isnt going to make the playoffs and he needs to gain expierience……he cant do that sitting on the bench and only playing 8 games this year……The main reason I feel most comfortable about it is the fact that the o line has played much much better……Thats what matters most……and lets not forget hes got more talent then Daunte…..thats the main reason he is starting guys.
Bennie - you watched the Bills game
You think he’s ok back there with Suck-ass at L Tackle???!! He doesn’t make it through 16 games – no way.
I didnt see Buf game actually
That was the only game the line played bad…….Seriosly though as a whole you have to say the line has played better then last preseason and last season
by BennieBladesFan on Sep 7, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
You read my mind!!!!!!!!
He will be hurr before half the season is over. Sack us is gonna get the kid hurt. Bad decision. I would of waited til I got a solid guy to block his blindside.
We could be waiting a long time then.
Do you guys think we will draft an LT with our first pick next year and he will be ready to start from game one 2010?
The free agent option is not realistic. Nobody is giving up good LTs these days.
Lets go with what we have and identify what we need to do in 2010.
I think 1st pick of 2010 draft...
will be used on a DL, there is just so many predicted to come out next year, it would almost be crazy not to. however I would not be shocked what so ever if they use 2nd and 3rd on LT/ CB (which ever is best at the time)
"If your not with us...
you're with the terrorists!!"
Do Not Be Afraid!!
These are not Mike Martz 7 step drops, and Stafford has a ‘Marino-esque’ quick release. Plus, no matter where the tight end is or what the formation, Terell Smith is back there to help in a big way. Not to worry. Schwartz and Linehan are smarter than you.
I thought Felton was being considered as more of a short yardage RB now?
Saw him running the ball more than blocking, which is good, cuz he has good running and recieving skills. Almost an H-Back type
I See
Staff playing, and if he gets in trouble DC taking over when his toe “heals”.
But I do believe this is the right move, though i am weary of the results at first. Excited to see him with the entire 1st string O.
Man invented language to satisfy his deep need to complain. Lily Tomlin
Disregard
DC will be holding a clipboard as a member of the Lions. Killer’s link
http://www.mlive.com/lions/index.ssf/2009/09/matthew_staffords_starting_job.html
What can we get for DC, 5th round pick?
Stanton #2 on the depth chart?
Man invented language to satisfy his deep need to complain. Lily Tomlin
We will not get a damn thing out of Daunte Culpepper
Mark my words…..our fate is sealed on that deal. Nobody will want Daunte this year, and if they do want him it will be once he becomes a free agent at the end of the season. Why give up a draft pick for a guy that you know will walk at the end of the season? Sure, Denver, KC, Tampa, the Jets, and maybe a few other teams could use another QB, but why wouldn’t they be content to go with what they have? If they suck, they will get a better draft position anyway and they can have Culpepper cheap after this season. I do not see the Lions getting jack shit out of Culpepper now that he has lost the chance to showcase his ability as the Lion’s starter.
DC has no trade value
Teams will just wait for his inevitable release
I really think DC will suck it up and be the utmost professional/mentor for the kid
i say lets see what he can do
i saw this on sportscenter and i was like man poor culpepper but oh well we need to win now and stafford has shown more talent.
lets just see what he can do
GO LIONSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
Kevin Smith let em kno, Ernie Sims Break em, Calvin Johnson you already Kno
2009 Detroit Lions 6-10 to 8-8
by DetroitLions 4 life on Sep 7, 2009 1:49 PM EDT reply actions
Well there it is men.....
The coaches say he is the man, so now I must support that decision. I am officially behind Matt Stafford as the starter, even if I do not agree with the move. I am a true fan, and I hope that he does great this season and for many seasons to come. I am disappointed that we will get nothing out of the Daunte Culpepper investment, but that is just the way it goes. All I can say is let’s go kid….you have to be a man now. GO LIONS!!
With Stanton injured...
…and constantly getting injured for that matter, I doubt Culpepper will be traded. Having said that…while there was some financial investment in Culpepper, I don’t believe his contract was enough to keep them from investing in some better players at other positions.
I say trade because
teams have gotten a look at Culpepper, and with the dearth of QB talent, (we traded Kevin O’Connell to the Jets, remember) I’m sure we could get something out of him. Doesn’t Tampa need another QB?
Daunte wants to start somewhere. I say let him. Bring in a different vet who’s content to help coach the kid.
Don't get me wrong...
…if a team comes a callin for CPep, I say get what you can for him. I agree he should get a chance, if there is one to be had…I just don’t know if that opportunity is out there right now. Once the season starts, and the injuries pile up, that story could change completely.
HE GOT BEAT OUT BY A ROOKIE IN DETROIT!!!
Nobody, and I mean nobody, is going to hand the reigns over to Daunte Culpepper at this point. If the Lions somehow trade Daunte for anything decent, I will be ecstatic. However, I do not see that happening for multiple reasons.
Culpepper and a 3rd rounder
For Brandon Marshall…..that could potentially happen. Getting anything less than a 5th rounder out of Daunte will really piss me off.
Let me correct you -
He got beat out by the #1 overall pick in the 2009 draft. It’s not like we drafted Tom Brandstater or whoever and he lost to him.
It may not be as soon as I predict, but I guarantee CPep is on another team by week 6.
#1 pick or not
He’s still a rookie…..and that’s all there is to it. No need to correct me, because all you did is say the same thing in a different way (semantics).
I hope not Nate.
We need a veteran back up. If Staff can start and finish all sixteen games I will be pretty amazed. Not many other QBs in 2008 could claim that. I counted sixteen out of thirty-two. I think that number is high because a few of those guys may have started all sixteen but did not play the complete game.
I would only trade Daunte if the Lions got an extremely generous offer. Say a high draft pick and another veteran QB to back up Staff.
A lot
2/17/2009: Signed a one-year, $5.05 million contract. The deal included a $1 million bonus for Culpepper reporting to the offseason program at less than 275 pounds, and another $300,000 for participating in at least 80 percent of spring workouts. Another $500,000 is available through performance incentives. 2009: $2.5 million (+ $1.25 million roster bonus)
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_contract.aspx?sport=NFl&id=1227
And that does not even include what we paid him in the first year of his original 2 year contract……
It'll be ok, dude
I know you’re disappointed (as am I), but it’s not the end of the world. Take a deep breath, relax for a second, crack a brewski…
lol
I am behind the kid…..but I do not believe it was the best choice, and I never will. Even if Stafford turns in a pro bowl year, I will always wonder about the what ifs. If the Lions ship DC down the road for a 6th or 7th rounder, those what ifs will be even tougher to swallow. I truly believe that allowing Culpepper to start for at least the first 5 weeks would not have hurt Matt Stafford in the slightest, and it could only have been beneficial to the organization as a whole in being able to get something out of him in trade.
Or released.....
…..we would save 3 million if hes realeased by opening day………Then we tarde for Tavaris
by BennieBladesFan on Sep 7, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you smoking crack??????????????????
Tavaris sucks beyond belief. I wouldn’t hire him to wash my car!!!!!!!!!!
lol
As a backup, he could be serviceable…..but there is no way the Lions will be able to make a deal with the Vikings for him regardless. The Vikings kept him (and released Booty) so that Tavaris Jackson did not end up on a division rival’s team (or so I assume). To be perfectly honest, Jackson does have a strong arm and he is quite mobile…..he looked good in the preseason (especially in Favre’s first game). I wouldn’t mind him as a backup, but that is very unlikely.
I can give you that...
…Adrian Peterson: Up the middle, or to the outside, when he gets tired, let Taylor beat them up for a while.
Agreed
While I have also been vocal about my desire to see Culpepper start the season, I voted yes on supporting the decision. It probably helps that this does not suprise me one bit…I’ve been convinced all along that Stafford was going to have to lose this job for him not to start week 1. More importantly though, I do support the Lions new head coach. Call it blind faith, call it a big jug of Honolulu Kool-Aid, but I think Schwartz is gonna get the job done here in Detroit and I’m willing to wait for what I think will eventually be a real NFL franchise!
That's pretty cool of you KDawg
I’d like to think I know you pretty well, well, as much as you can get to know someone on a site like this, and I’ve seen things you don’t agree on get the better of you at times. But I think you’ve taken this decision with a lot of class. Good on you.
2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).
by Hyperion Ecta on Sep 7, 2009 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions
What you see is what you get HE
I am who I am. If I were standing in front of you guys, I would be saying the same things I am typing. Obviously you can’t know me entirely, but you sure do know a big part of me (which is how I feel about the Lions). I do wear my emotions on my sleeve, and I am a very competitive person myself which is why it may seem that sometimes things get the best of me. When I do not agree with something, it tears at the very fiber of my being. I have no choice but to state my opinions and let it be known that I disagree. I am behind Stafford, because he is a Detroit Lion. That does not mean that I agree with the decision made by the coach, nor does it mean that I think it is right. My competitive nature has given me the edge in many different scenarios. Sometimes it works to my favor, and other times it works against me. Take it or leave it, that is me.
How many hours...
do you think Stafford spends praying every night for O-Line help?
by damnitdamnitdamnit on Sep 7, 2009 1:57 PM EDT reply actions
I disagree with Schwartz
Acknowledging Schwartz has all the info and experience to make this call and, like other pundits on this board, just voice my opinion.
We don’t have the O Line to protect him. I doubt he makes it through the season. I fear a DE rushing past Suck-ass and killing him. We will see CPep at some point this year – almost guaranteed. But, he will gain valuable experience – hopefully positive experience. As always……………GO LIONS!!
Culppeper = Trojan Horse?
Is Culppeper the 2nd biggest decoy in history?
Did they string along DC, so Stafford had to “earn” the starting job? Giving Stafford faux competition so being the #1 pick wouldnt go to his head?
sorry, im at work on a holiday and i’m bored.
Man invented language to satisfy his deep need to complain. Lily Tomlin
Lol
They would be a strange ploy indeed.
2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).
by Hyperion Ecta on Sep 7, 2009 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I voted no
I support the decision, but I think waiting until after the bye week would’ve been the best move
Right Move Doesn't Mean Right Man Is Starting
The similarities between Joey and Matt end with their optimism. With that said, Stafford is in for a rude awakening come Baltimore and Pittsburgh. I have no doubt the kid’s got talent, I have tons of doubt that our left tackle can protect him for 4 quarters.
I think the best move should’ve been starting DC. No where to go now if Stafford runs into trouble.
They are hanging their hats on the hope that he will not get injured
And if he does, they are also hoping that Daunte will save the day. I do not see Daunte being very happy with the backup role however, and his performance will likely show it if Stafford goes down and #11 gets the call.
If they do trade Culpepper.....
Then what? If Stafford gets injured we either have Drew Stanton or somebody like Brooks Bollinger.
Agree with Jazzy
I have faith that Daunte will be a pro about this and wait for his chance to get back in. If not, then he should be shipped out ASAP.
I think it is a colossal F up.....
The FO had all of the opportunity in the world to showcase Culpepper’s ability as a starter in order to generate interest in him for a lucrative trade. Yet they name the rookie the starter and ram a red hot poker up DC’s ass. He is now playing second fiddle to a rookie QB on the worst team in NFL history. What will they get out of DC now? He may very well be a pro about it and quietly wait for his chance, but I can feel his anger already and I think it is not unfounded. If the Lion’s FO, knowing that Daunte Culpepper never wanted to be a backup in the NFL (he retired just so he would not be forced into that role), wanted to get something decent out of Culpepper in trade, then why would they give Aveion Cason, Keary Colbert, and the other cut players the benefit of additional playing time in the preseason to showcase their abilities to other teams, and the benefit of being cut first so that other teams might sign them quickly, while they barely let Culpepper play at all in the preseason (34 passing attempts over 3 games) and then name the rookie the starter over him when he has busted his ass to get into great shape and he did a good job at managing the game when he was given the opportunity? In my opinion, it seems like a Matt Millen move and it goes against all that I know as logical. Now the rookie is the starter (until something bad happens) and Daunte Culpepper has little to no trade value. Stupid.
Ya never know
Maybe DC will resign after this season for a mil or 2 to be a back-up. I’m glad DC has that competitive fire to be the starter, it will make him a better back-up having that mentality instead of the “aw shucks” mindset of a Jim Sorgi/Jason Garrett. Lets have DC keep pushing the kid.
I’m trying to be a glass 1/2 full optimist about DC
I wish that were the case
But the guy retired so that he wouldn’t have to be a backup…..he speaks of his “legacy” and wants to make his mark on the NFL. He has said “You can’t do that unless you are playing” so the idea of him as a backup in Detroit is a pipe dream.
I read that MLive article
maybe Killer is reading too much into the possible soap-opera/drama that can be made of it.
I don't think it is fair to call the 2009 Lions the worst team in history.
Have we not all agreed here that the Lions have improved themselves a lot this off season?
Daunte is a part of the disaster that was the 2008 Lions. He has a chance to contribute to a team on the rise and help us all to put 2008 behind us.
KDawg, I think you are projecting. Have you got any proof [interviews] that Daunte feels he was given a raw deal by Detroit?
If he does not feel he can stay here as a back up he should let Schwartz know so they can cut him and give someone who wants to play for this team a chance.
I doubt Daunte wants out of Detroit right now.
Yes, they have improved
And no, I did not mean that this year’s team will replicate the failures of last year. What I meant was that he is a part of the franchise that is attempting to rebuild from the worst record in NFL history. Shake it anyway you like….just because we have new coaches, new systems, and a new GM does not change the fact that this organization has not been successful (completely) in over 50 years. Daunte Culpepper was a part of the 08 disaster….for 4 games (not to mention he came off the couch at home to play immediately….don’t go there with me again)!! Do I need to have an interview or some sort of proof to know that Daunte Culpepper is a very competitive man? No I do not. Knowing how being competitve is, I would be super pissed if I was in his shoes. You can’t even begin to tell me that you think he is truly content being the backup to a rookie.
That said, I agree that he will stick around long enough to collect his 3.75 million dollar paycheck. I would hold the clipboard for 3 years, be the water boy, AND wash the jock straps for that kind of money. If he is not traded, there is no doubt in my mind that he will stay for the money. He’s not going to contribute anything. He is going to sit there and watch, maybe even do what he is told. If you think he wants to stay as Stafford’s backup, you are out of your ever loving mind. If he had a choice in the matter, he would either be starting or he would be playing for a different team. I don’t need any kind of proof to know that. He retired before because he did not want to be a backup. He will either move on to another team where he can compete for a chance to start, or he will retire….and that is all the facts I need to know.
Culpepper refused to talk to the media
I wonder if that is because he is just so happy to be Stafford’s backup….
Apparently my sarcasm knows no bounds.
The PITT/BAL games
I’m a firm believer in “what doesn’t kill you makes you stronger”.
Will the Lions lose these games? Probably
Will Stafford get the shit beat out of him these games? I’m sure he will
Will Stafford learn from it and get better from it? Absolutely
Folks, the Lions are not going to the playoffs this year. The team Millen left us was utterly devoid of talent. The Houston Texans in their first year had more talent than the Lions did at the end of last season. We are not going to have an incredible turn-around like Miami and Atlanta had last season. Having said this, I think the future for this team is bright, it’s just going to take a few years to build it right.
Talk about being thrown to The Lions...
… Sorry, The Saints, on the road no less. Welcome to the N.F.L. ! O.K. sports fans, talk about offense come Sunday. That scoreboard in The Big Easy is going to blow a fuse. Let the future begin !
The Saints defence is not scary.
Yeah, they have an awesome offence and the game could be a shoot out, but that should not bother Staff that much.
Stafford is fortunate to have the saints week one...
he will see an average at best D, not the best pass rush, bad DB’s and he will be on the field a lot due to the saints offense being great…
Prediction: Saints 38 Lions 24
Stafford 285 Yards 2 TDs 2 INTs
http://cmufootball.blogspot.com/
by CapitolLions on Sep 8, 2009 12:02 AM EDT up reply actions
To be honest
I’d be pretty darn happy with that.
2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).
by Hyperion Ecta on Sep 8, 2009 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions
I agree with coachs decision
Think DC lost the job in pre-season by playing it close to the best.Schwartz is going to want to run the ball,which we did pretty well in pre-season and take shots down the field.Stafford will struggle for sure.He had problems with base deffenses in pre-season so when it comes to trying to read some of the complicated deffenses he will see have to expect him to struggle some.Think the N.O. deffense is a nice deffense to start off with though.Gives him a chance to gain confidence against one of the weaker deffenses in the NFL. GO LIONS
I really think Daunte.....
…..will be released by the start of this game…..We would save 3 milion on the cap by realesing him……I dont know who wed bring in but we would sign someone out there…..Maybe trade for Tavaris
I think the Vikings kept Jackson so that he didn't end up on a division rival's team
So our chances of trading for him are slim to none.
"Maybe trade for Tavaris"
Please don’t ever say that again.
by damnitdamnitdamnit on Sep 7, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
agreed
Kevin Smith let em kno, Ernie Sims Break em, Calvin Johnson you already Kno
2009 Detroit Lions 6-10 to 8-8
by DetroitLions 4 life on Sep 7, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Also.....
……The Saints Defense isnt very good at all……Its a good opponent to for Staff to face week 1
I agree
but it’s going to take about 1/2 a season for the game to slow down for Stafford. It’s going to be ugly at times, but the rewards will be greater
C'mon bro
that seemed kind of weak, put some CAPS into it!
GO STAFFORD!!!!
Bennie has the right idea, except for the Tavaris thing. lol
Stafford is going to have to score points,because I’m not sure about our Deffense yet.Looked a little shaky in pre-season.Good test with N.O. offense 1st game. GO LIONS
As long as it’s not consistantly 21-0 at the start of the 2nd qtr., I think we’ll see a much more competitive and balanced offense this season
Yes It Will
And we wont have many 21-0 1st qtr scores this year
by BennieBladesFan on Sep 7, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
My thoughts
If you guys are like me you are searching for that little something that leads you to believe that it was either the right or the wrong call by Schwartz. In the end though, we all have to admit that we have to trust the coaching staff because they have been around DC and Staff since day 1 where we have just been reading reports.
One thing I do feel good about is how different Stafford is from Joey Harrington. Not only are they different, but the team is different. This years team should be able to have success running the ball, and protecting the QB wasn’t as huge an issue for this team last year as it was during the Kitna years.
In any case, I think that we will be pointing back to this decision for years to come, for better or worse, this might be one of the defining moments of the Schwartz legacy.
by WestsideLionsFan on Sep 7, 2009 4:46 PM EDT reply actions
umm lose your pic i had it first
Kevin Smith let em kno, Ernie Sims Break em, Calvin Johnson you already Kno
2009 Detroit Lions 6-10 to 8-8
by DetroitLions 4 life on Sep 7, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions
an no crap its a defineing moment
if Stafford fails Schwartz failsssss
p.s. lose your pic mane find a new one
Kevin Smith let em kno, Ernie Sims Break em, Calvin Johnson you already Kno
2009 Detroit Lions 6-10 to 8-8
by DetroitLions 4 life on Sep 7, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Thanks
I’m new here man there’s no need to be an a-hole. I will gladly change my pic though.
by WestsideLionsFan on Sep 7, 2009 5:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Well welcome to POD
DL4Life is a cool dude, first time I’ve ever seen him get jumpy here.
Welcome to the Pride!
hey now im not like pissed im just saying sorry it come to strong
sorry bro
Kevin Smith let em kno, Ernie Sims Break em, Calvin Johnson you already Kno
2009 Detroit Lions 6-10 to 8-8
by DetroitLions 4 life on Sep 7, 2009 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions
welcome to the pride
andd
go lionssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
Kevin Smith let em kno, Ernie Sims Break em, Calvin Johnson you already Kno
2009 Detroit Lions 6-10 to 8-8
by DetroitLions 4 life on Sep 7, 2009 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey, it's all good man
don’t worry about it, we’re straight.
by WestsideLionsFan on Sep 7, 2009 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions
How much of Staffords success depends on the deffense
The biggest thing to do with Staffords success will fall on the deffenses ability to get off the field.This is speaking in terms of wins & losses.I do believe Staford could have what is considered a successful season without the team having a successful season though.Very gutsy call by coach Swartz.
I'm Okay With This
Although I would have preferred to see Stafford come in after the bye, I’m fine with this move. The only way we’re ever going to figure out whether Stafford is the guy is if he plays. The two most obvious reasons for Culpepper playing are not good enough reasons. The first being that he gives them a better chance to win. Even with Culpepper as the starter, the Lions would have been lucky to win 4. Maybe now they only win 3, but this means little. The second reason is that there’s no clear cut rule on whether sitting a quarterback actually helps. If you look at history, just as many that have played right away have succeeded as those that didn’t.
Didn't expect this....
but wow. I’ve seen highlights of “shiny”, he looked pretty good when he wasn’t being sacked….
I didn’t think Culpepper played himself out of the top spot, at least to keep it warm.
I hope this doesn’t “David Carr” him tho….
GODZZIIIIIRRRRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!
He was sacked three times in the preseason FB.
Welcome back.
I think this makes it clear that it really was an open competition. It was not Daunte’s job to lose. In my opinion that’s how Daunte played in the preseason, ie if he did not make too many mistakes he would get the job. While he played pretty well error free, he did not really make many plays.
Staff made a lot of plays and made all the right calls. His errors were ones that could only be corrected with more experience, not by watching from the sidelines.
Don't be silly
Give him the other 20 pass attempts that Stafford got and then call the GD plays that have him throwing downfield and see what happens….what a joke.
lol
David Carr was quoted recently as saying “If I had it all back to do over again in my rookie year with the Houston Texans, I think I would choose to watch”. He also said that he thinks Sanchez is in a better situation to succeed than Matt Stafford.
Here
“If I had it to do all over again, I think I would have rather watched,” Carr, now the Giants’ backup QB, told FanHouse on Monday. “There were just so many bad habits I picked up that, if I’d seen another guy doing it, I don’t think I would have.”
http://nfl.fanhouse.com/2009/09/07/david-carrs-words-of-wisdom-for-matt-stafford-mark-sanchez/
Long time no see
You’ve missed some pretty crazy conversations.
2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).
by Hyperion Ecta on Sep 7, 2009 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions
These comment structures can be confusing, eh?
2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).
by Hyperion Ecta on Sep 7, 2009 8:27 PM EDT up reply actions
FB, you closet Lions fan you
how the hell have you been?
I really hope your Giants kick the holy hell outta the Cowgirls
yes....
desecrating Jerry’s new stadium in Week 2 is a huge goal for this season…
What the f$%k is the internet?
Somebody give KDawg some lithium
I didn’t have a dog in this fight. I just came on board to address some of the more ridiculous criticisms of Culpepper. Now the coaches have decided on the basis of many factors that we have neither the information nor the experience to weigh. So it’s done, and let’s hope Stafford turns out to be the next Joe Montana.
I’m sorry Culpepper was wiped out at the peak of his career by a devastating knee injury followed by a change of ownership and coaches in Minnesota. But it’s done, and all he can do is do his best. I think KDawg is being a little too pessimistic about Culpepper’s prospects. There is strong statistical possibility that Culpepper will be able to start at least one game this season for the Lions due to a Stafford injury. There are also many NFL teams this year that have no competent backup quarterback (including Detroit, if they trade Culpepper). If one of those teams loses their starter, Daunte will at least get a look.
So, all if for the best in this best of all possible worlds. Come on KDawg, happy up.
I agree....
but I think that it would have been a smarter move to start DC and trade him before the trade deadline in week 6. Everyone knows that preseason games are just glorified practices.
My thoughts on this
1. My truck is dirty. Tavaris Jackson has great mobility and a strong arm. Maybe he CAN wash my car…….but I’d better lock the doors, so he doesn’t try to wash the inside.
2. GO STAFFORD! Ideally, I would have preferred that Culpepper start the first 5 games, even though he was outplayed (IMO) by both Stafford and Stanton (I thought all 3 QB’s played well to varying degrees, and each brought something different to the table). Let us showcase Pep; let us remove any lingering uncertainty about what Pep’s got; let Stafford get comfy in the weekly NFL routine for a few weeks; let Staff avoid the brutal early part of the schedule. But now that it’s done, I’m ok with it. I was against drafting Stafford, but he won me over. He could be very very good as early as Year 2. but to do that he needs to learn. Stafford strikes me as a resilient guy that learns by doing, and learns quickly from his mistakes and doesn’t repeat them. But for that to happen, he has to be in there and allowed to make those mistakes, and see firsthand the tricks veteran DB’s use against him. I support Stafford; the coaching staff supports Stafford; I hope the players support him as well. Which leads to……..
3. Culpepper will be gone by week 6. As gracious as he has been about this, I think even now Culpepper still thinks he can start somewhere….that hasn’t changed. More importantly, Pep has his supporters in the locker room. Remember the Harrington/Garcia locker room split? (or as some would say, FO/locker room split) If we don’t get rid of Culpepper before the trade deadline, there will be a QB controversy…..generated not from the media, but from the locker room. I agree though, this move tanks Pep’s trade value. Regardless, I’m certain he will be gone.
4. Backus scares me. I agree with KDawg about the formations. Sackus could blow up the whole plan. In the Singleback Big formation, you have 1 RB, 2 TE (Heller left, Pettigrew right), 2 WR. The TE’s can either……run routes, which doesnt let Heller help Backus with blocking…….leak out on delay routes for screens or dumpoffs, which MAY not allow for blocking help…….or stay in for max protect, which helps Backus with blocking, but only sends the 2 WR’s out on routes (if RB also stays in to pick up possible blitzers), and the defensive back 7 covers 2 guys if they’re not blitzing. What’s the technical term for 6 guys covering Calvin Johnson? Sextuple Coverage? (yeah, I know, realistically the threat of TE’s/RB leaking out on delay routes might freeze some of the linebackers) But no, we won’t see max coverage on a majority of pass plays, nor will we even see a majority of 2-TE sets period, even with Linehan’s predeliction for passing to TE’s, and the greater relative depth of the TE talent compared to the WR corps(e). So ultimately it still falls on Backus…..meaning we’re screwed. We’ve got to find an answer for this, this year, before Stafford gets decapitated.
I support my Lions and my QB. Go Stanton! (err, STAFFORD!)
Backus is average
He’s going to get beat sometimes, but for the most part he can stand his ground. He struggles against the freakish athletic types, but almost every other LT in the league does too, except for the elites (which he certainly isn’t). If he is taking a ride on the struggle bus during a game, there are several ways to scheme around him to get him help, not just with the TE (FB, RB, strongside TE motion, blocking calls, etc.). I’m all for picking the LT in next year’s draft, but that’s about the most obvious call ever, you’d have to be Millen not to realize it. Until then, we’re going to have to live with average to below average line play, and hopefully Stafford will too.
I’m glad Stafford was good enough to win the job, now let’s keep our fingers crossed that we’ll play .500 ball this year.
AHHHHHHHHH, start the season already!!! Why can’t it be Sunday right now?!?!
TX, Don't be surprised if the Lions don't pick a DT or DE
There are some great ones available in 2010; Gerald McCoy, Ndamukuong Suh, Carlos Dunlap, Greg Hardy. Any of those guys could be taken ahead of Trent Williams or Russell Okung the two top LTs.
I agree with you, I would like to see an LT taken but the Lions may rate the players differently, and from everything that Mayhew has been saying, they will draft the best player available, not based on need.
True...
If we have the opportunity to pick up a future stud DT or DE, of course. But keep in mind the front office just invested a truck load of money in number 9, and I think they’d be inclined to protect their investment over any other position.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but their drafting philosophy this year was predicated on there being such an absence of talent on the team that they wanted the best players, period, not based on need, because we needed legitimate pros on the team. I wouldn’t be surprised if their philosophy changes once we have a strong enough foundation to build off of.
I think it’s natural that the second Stafford is named starter, we’re all discussing who we want to protect him at LT. We didn’t hear as much of this talk yesterday, that’s for sure. Stafford as the starter definitely gives game 1 a more exciting feel to it, can’t wait to see how it unfolds, even if we can expect some growing pains
so i never been that good at math but right now the poll is 74% yes 25% no
Just Remember matt... what would Daunte do??
Offensive Line better Protect oour Product
Mathew will have learning curves, but most important we need the line to protect him or else he could go from future franchise QB to Mathew STAFF-INFECTION.. Let’s hope he becomes a stud like everyone is rooting for.
It may be now..it may be later...later aint gonna be no use! Am I right Al? We got alot of angry guys in their black panthers,muslims, young lords, besides you average anti-socials. We gotta go in, am I right, clean their clocks!
Iowa LT Brian Bulaga (Jr.)
is also a dark horse possibility at LT, depending on how he does and where we draft. He’s 6-6, 312 with great agility like Okung. DE Dunlap’s an interesting case. Is he an unstoppable freak or not? He could go #1 overall, or he could go 15-25…….but probably not anywhere in between, as a LDE. It’s early……things are obviously very uncertain right now.
Ndamukuong Suh’s name means “House of Spears”.
you bring some good players..
Given the fact that the Lions will most likely be drafting in the top ten. There is better talent on the D-line and CB’s in the early second. Than OT’s. If I were to bet on it now. I would say OT in the first. And maybe someone like Vince Oghobaase DT, Duke. D’Anthony Smith DT, Louisiana Tech. Or even George Selvie DE, South Florida would be some of the names you will hear in the second round
My first SB Nation post, figures it would be OT
First off, kudos to the guys who post here at POD. I am basically a lurker who follows a few teams here at SB Nation. Since I am from MI, I am a life-long Lions fan who also follows the Falcons and Panthers since I live down south now.
My question is about the OT that the Packers released, Jamon Meredith. I know alot of folks were pulling for the Lions to grab an OT earlier in the draft, and this guy had questionable early round talent(ended up going in the 5th rd). It appears that no one has picked him up on their PS roster yet, and was curious if you thought the Lions would have any interest. From a few of the comments I saw on the GB board, a few people were surprised that GB let him go already.
Anyway, thanks for any feedback, and I am looking forward to 4-5 wins this season. I think Stafford will surprise a few people before the year is over(in a good way)!
Welcome to the Pride
2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).
by Hyperion Ecta on Sep 7, 2009 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
So Stafford's the man
I’m nervous now. Not necessarily about getting injured, because that can happen at anytime and no matter how good your protection is. I’m more nervous about the way we, as fans, may treat Stafford. Hopefully, things go well and we’ll follow him as we do CJ, but, if things start to go bad, and I expect them to at one point this season, I hope that we all don’t get carried away. For me, this first year isn’t all that crucial, it’s the next year and the next year after that. That’s when we’ll really see what we have in Stafford.
Oh, and, GO LIONS!!!!!
2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).
ok
You know how I feel about who should be the starter…..that being known and said, the fact of the matter is that Matt Stafford IS the starting QB for the season. It may seem like I would be one of the first people to jump all over the opportunity to bash the kid for having a bad game. However, even I know that he is a rookie and he will make mistakes. I know that he will have bad games and people will think “maybe Culpepper should have been the starter after all”. Knowing that he is a rookie and that he will make mistakes will keep me from calling for his head after a bad game or two. If he is going to be the man from here on out, then we have to let him go. If he sucks, then obviously the what if questions will be hard to swallow. The main thing to remember now is that as long as he stays healthy he will continue to learn and get better. I personally (and I know this is going to be hard to believe, but it is true) do not want to see him benched unless he is injured. Now that he has been named the starter, the damage has already been done to Daunte Culpepper’s value. Therefore, I am behind the kid all the way. However likely, or unlikely, that he will, or will not, get injured…..he has to be the man now, until he turns into David Carr or Joey Harrington or until he simply can not step onto the field and play. I have high hopes for Matt Stafford, and I pray that he is the man who will lead us out of the darkness and into the light. GO LIONS!!
I wish they would've waited to announce Stafford as the starter
Why tip off the Saints D coordinator I guess they wanted the publicity and maybe get there opening game national exposure. Let FOX hype it I can see no other reason
as long as the team knew Schwartz shoulda kept practice closed to the media and played more cloak and dagger with who he chose to start.
GO LIONS GO STAFFORD WOO HOO LET THE SEASON BEGIN!
by Runnin' Rebel on Sep 7, 2009 8:29 PM EDT reply actions
I sort of agree...
…but I don’t see any way that this wouldn’t have leaked out anyway. Plus, I think the Saints game plan will be similar regardless of which quarterback is in the game:
Score early and often, take the run game away from the Lions, pin back their ears and get after the quarterback!
Hey I’m all for being a little more positive and excited about this season than I was last season, but let’s not kid ourselves…the Saints are for real and game 1 was probably gonna be painful regardless of who the QB was.
I'm not expecting a win, that's for sure
I’m definitely hoping for one, but this game looks to be doomed from the start.
2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).
by Hyperion Ecta on Sep 8, 2009 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Aaron Curry will be Rookie of the year and league MVP LOL
by Runnin' Rebel on Sep 7, 2009 8:32 PM EDT reply actions
Aaron Maybin
Sorry Maybin DEf ROY LOL
It may be now..it may be later...later aint gonna be no use! Am I right Al? We got alot of angry guys in their black panthers,muslims, young lords, besides you average anti-socials. We gotta go in, am I right, clean their clocks!
by Yardpenalty.com on Sep 8, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Im sorry Delmas !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If Delmas gets past the Ernie Sims bug he could be ROY! (ernie sims bug= flying past would be tackles)
It may be now..it may be later...later aint gonna be no use! Am I right Al? We got alot of angry guys in their black panthers,muslims, young lords, besides you average anti-socials. We gotta go in, am I right, clean their clocks!
by Yardpenalty.com on Sep 8, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions
Thks GR
Beer is alright if the whiskey and tequila are all gone. First shots on me!
Alright, guys....
I wasn’t tracking things today, so you can imagine my surprise when I decided to pop in here for a second to see if we signed any other players.
I’ll state the obvious… I’m excited about the decision and I like Schwartz even more (which is getting pretty hard to like him any more than I already do) for making a ballsy decision in the face of potentially heavy scrutiny for playng the rook. I have to say that I felt pretty confident that this was the decision they were going to make, but Culpepper played pretty well, so you never know. I think it’s the right move for right now and for the future of the franchise.
I know many of you disagree, but I think Stafford is the better quarterback… yes, I think he’s better than Culpepper, right here and right now. Although many thought the Buffalo game was a bad outing for him, it was the opening drive that sealed that sentiment for me. In that drive, he became a better quarterback in my mind than Daunte… given the games Culpepper has put on tape over the past four years and in this year’s preseason, Matt’s ability and potential surpasses that. I’m not going to launch into a breakdown of each player and try to explain myself about that statement… I think I’ve done that enough. To be honest, I’m glad that the decision is made and that we can all move forward… united. In fact, I’ve been a little quiet this week on the topic, because I was honestly getting tired of it… and trulywould have been happy with Daunte as starter just to have this discussion behind us. Both are capable players, but the right decision was made… in my most humble opinion.
The new future of this franchise starts in less than a week. As fans, we will live and die by what Matt Stafford is to this franchise. If he is as good as I think he is… our future is going to be awesome. If he busts… here comes another decade of futility. Yes, I think he means that much to our success. But thankfully, I have more faith in Stafford succeeding than any other quarterback that has come into the league since Peyton Manning. I know the stats don’t tell the story, but I feel much better about Stafford than either Ryan or Flacco after watching thier preseason games last year. Granted, I didn’t scrutinize them nearly as much as Stafford, but I can still see the flashes of what’s to come with Stafford… and that excites me to no end.
I just ordered my authentic Stafford home jersey this morning (got a GREAT deal on it – so if anyone else wants one, I’ll post the site that I bought it from – although I’ll know if it ended up being a great deal when I actually get the merchandise and see the quality), so what a fitting way to celebrate that purchase. I’m just really excited for the regular season, because it has been a looooooong off-season… both personally and from a football point of view and I’m happy it’s finally here.
Nice post...
I agree 100% with you. I have been MIA from the site for about a week now. Mainly just got tired of the same debate. Waiting for the big announcement from Schwartz. I was a Stafford backer since day one. Well, really since the bowl game againt MSU. Some of those passes he made in the second half of that game. They were just unbelievable. I knew then. He would be a good NFL player.
With Stafford at the helm. The Lions future starts now. Not in 2010. Or whenever he got his first start. He is a rookie. He will have bad games. But I can say would the utmost certainty. That there will be times in every game. Where Matt throws a pass. That will make you jump out of your seat. And say " Man, did you see that?" " How did he get the ball in between those two defenders?"
The year of 2009. Is fifty-one years after the trade of Bobby Layne. The curse is over. Get excited about our new quarterback. Get excited about our new front office and coaching staff. But just get excited about our new Detroit Lions.
Jerseys are good
Any time you can get a deal on them. I was very happy with my personalized black jersey I got last year… though now they say they won’t use them anymore. It may be one of 2-3 good things from the Millen era.
Let us know where the dealZ are!
I am with KDawg
I don’t agree with the decision but I am glad one was made. If Stafford had played games 2 3 and 4 like he did 1, I would be the first to say he should be starting. Its not, IMO, that he played bad. He just didn’t play well enough to win thw starting job. A few more weeks of watching and practice would not have hurt him.
Not to mention, and I never thought about it till KDawg mentioned it, but we could have showcased Daunte for other teams for a few weeks and if a team comes into a need for one in the near future, could have gotten something for him.
But I will support the decision because he is going to be a great QB. How great and how soon, yet to be determined. I am sure it helps for the team to know who will be under center as well.
Hang in there KDawg, I think Staff will be o.k. Just wish we could have gotten something for Daunte.
That was my main point
Glad I’m not the only one who refuses to blindly accept every decision made by the front office and coaching staff.
o.k., o.k., I was wrong....again, sigh
I’m still convinced that I would’ve given Culpepper the start, but the choice wasn’t mine to make.
If Schwartz is sure that Stafford is the man, than Stafford is the man; it’s his plan, he’ll play it the way that he wants.
Now, I’m getting behind the decision (once I wrap my head around it) and will believe in it the way that I believe in the amazing (if never actually seen b4) “Schwartzian 180”
GET READY TO ROAR TILL YOUR THROATS ARE SORE!
Like I said as well myPride
I am behind the rookie now that he is our guy without debate……but being wrong about who they actually choose to be the QB, and being wrong about who it should be are two different things. I am not trying to come across as saying that I know better than the coaches, because I do not. However, I disagree with the decision and I will say it ALL DAY EVERYDAY if I so please. :o)
I'm trying to find a nice way to tell...
you that if you keep complaining that the coaches made the wrong decision, you are not really behind Stafford. Your basically saying, “I’m behind you, but I really think you shouldn’t be starting”. How encouraging would it be for your parents to tell you “I really love you, but it’s mostly because your brother is off to college.” So I’m not sure if that was nice or not… but there is no malicious intent in me saying that… just a perceptive view.
I know you are reeling from this decision and that you do not agree with it. But at some point you have to concede that Culpepper may not take another meaningful snap for Detroit. I’m not trying to put anything back in your face about this… hopefully, you know I am not that kind of person. But when you make statements like the one above about fans “blindly accepting everything the front office does” with respect to those accepting the Culpepper benching, you are just projecting negativity to what is for most, a very exciting beginning to a new era with the Lions. It’s your prerogative to say and feel anything you want about the decision… and I know you will… just don’t mock or belittle those that are excited to see what Stafford can do because you are unhappy with the decision.
I was actually hoping for the end of this division after the decision was made. I take it that’s not coming any time soon……..
I agree very strongly with Drew and degru
KDawg you have made your feelings very clear to everyone on this site. The fact is we will never know who is wrong or right. Frankly, that does not matter anymore. It sure sounds like you are bailing on the coaches and Mayhew already. Before the team they have put together has even played one game.
I hope you are not the type of person who is more interested in being right than seeing the team we are all fans of do well.
Seriously?
Drew, my friend……I am a fan first and a critic second. I AM behind Matt Stafford all the way, no matter if I disagree with the decision to make him the starter over Daunte Culpepper or not. In the beginning, before we had seen Matt Stafford play, my argument did revolve around who the better QB was. Somewhere along the way, I decided that they were both equally good. I can clearly see your point in believing that Matt Stafford should start in order to gain valuable experience that he could not get from the sideline. The more I think about it, the more I agree on that aspect.
However (the dreaded however) my argument, in favor of Culpepper starting, evolved from who the better QB was, to getting the most out of Culpepper via trade. I feel that it would not have hurt Matt Stafford in the slightest to watch DC play for 4-5 games before taking over as the starter. In starting Culpepper (since I feel that they are pretty equal) over Stafford for the 1st 4-5 games, the Lions could have showcased his abilities as a starter in games that count, not just in a glorified practice setting. Even guys like Brooks Bollinger can look good in the preseason. That is all I have been trying to say here. I believe it was the wrong decision to start Stafford immediately, because I feel that the team as a whole could have benefited more by showcasing DC’s talent for a few games to hopefully get more than a 6th or 7th round pick out of him in trade.
Now that Stafford is the starter, without a doubt, I support HIM 100%. I am not bailing out on Mayhew and Co, and I am not secretly hoping that Stafford suffers a serious injury just to say “I told you so”, but I disagree with that decision for the above said reasons. That does not mean that I am not truly behind Matt Stafford as a player, it just means that I feel that there was another way. It is not important to me if I am right or wrong. What is important to me is seeing things from multiple angles and different points of view. It seemed to me that almost everyone immediately (I used the word blindly) jumped to the Stafford bandwagon, agreeing wholeheartedly with the decision to make him the starter, without taking the time to reflect on what has actually occurred. My posts are not intended in malice, but rather they are intended to shed light on a bigger picture that maybe (just maybe) nobody else is considering.
It was never an argument over who the long term solution was at QB for the Lions. Even Ray Charles could have told you it was Matt Stafford. Shortly before Stafford was officially named the starter, I began making my argument for Culpepper to start, regardless of the injury, for the above stated reasons. I simply carried that argument over to back my opinion that the decision was not the best one. If I offended you, I apologize. I want the Lions to win, and I think Stafford is the man to lead us out of the darkness. I just wish they had done it a bit differently so that we could get a return on the investment in Daunte Culpepper (who has been gratuitously paid for next to nothing).
I wasn't offended and I...
appreciate the comments above. Just remember, that most of us are not blindly siding with the Stafford decision because it’s been made. Some of us have been touting the same line for a long time… just like you with Culpepper. For most of us, there was no rash bandwagoneering… just elation that what we had hoped would happen, did.
don't worry
matthew stafford has been a starting quarterback since he was a high school freshman at highland park in texas- he led our guys to the state title for the first time in decades. y’all will love his passing!
Maybe the Lions should run the Wishbone?
Just teasing, I have no idea what type of offense they run at Highland Park Highschool…I’m simply pointing out that while the HS scouting report is appreciated, there is a small difference in talent from HS to the NFL.
I like Matt Stafford, I’m rooting for him, but my expectations will be slightly less than him winning the NFL equivalent of a State Championship his rookie year.
numnumnum
That’s good crow.
Go Stafford. I know my opinion of the kid is being flavored by kool aid these days, but he might be alright. I don’t like the decision yet. Gimme time.
Go Lions.
Enlightening comment from Schwartz
I really like that quote from Schwartz that Dergru posted.
“Experience is a funny thing,” said Schwartz. "You can only get it by playing. He can’t get it by sitting on the bench. There are some guys that may benefit from sitting on the bench and watching somebody else and those people typically don’t have a grasp of the offense. They still need to learn what defenses do. Their knowledge isn’t up where it needs to be yet.
Maybe Schwartz has the answer there to the eternal question of why some great QB’s do well sitting a year, and some do well starting right away. Maybe the learning process for rookie QB’s is a 2-step process. Step 1 (Beginner Course: QB Concepts): learn the playbook, and get a full grasp of the offense, and also what defenses will do, in terms of complicated defenses and blitzes and presnap reads of what looks the defense shows. Step 2 (Advanced Course, QB Applications): learn firsthand what tricks defenses (and especially veteran defensive backs) use during the play against quarterbacks…..how they bait them into throwing a ball into a route they’re ready to jump for the INT, etc.
Maybe the reason many QB’s sit for part/all of a year is they haven’t mastered Step 1. Like Schwartz said, their knowledge isn’t up there where it needs to be yet. But some, like Aikman, Manning, Marino, etc., figure that out right away and are ready to go in and start Step 2: learning from first-hand experience what tricks smart defensive players will use against them…….making the mistakes that must inevitably be made so you can see firsthand how defensive players will try to exploit you.
Schwartz clearly feels that Stafford has mastered Step 1, that he has a strong command of the playbook and the offense……not just knowledge, but also a feel for the offense, for what they’re trying to do. Stafford makes plays. He isn’t just playing safe and checking down to save his job……he’s using the whole playbook and making plays. Schwartz feels that Staff is ready for Step 2…..go in there and get firsthand game experience, make the inevitable mistakes, and learn from them so you don’t repeat them (which Staff has apparently shown an aptitude for).
Some QB’s take longer than others to get past Step 1, learning the offense and defensive formations…..the beginner course (QB Concepts). Some never grasp the offense at all. Some are ready by Game 1. Schwartz feels Stafford is ready to get in there and start learning firsthand……the advanced course (QB Applications).
Good luck Matt! Go Stafford!
Nice perspective
From everything I’ve read, there doesn’t seem to be any doubt that Stafford has a grasp of this offence.
2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).
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