Daunte Culpepper Likely Already Being Shopped
Daunte Culpepper had better not get too comfortable in his honolulu blue jersey this season.
After head coach Jim Schwartz made the call to start Matthew Stafford at quarterback from day one, Culpepper’s presence is suddenly much less valuable to the Lions… except maybe on the trade market.
Of course, what if the Lions are just testing Stafford out? They could pull him and send in the veteran, Matt Leinart-style.
If you follow the cues, Stafford is in for good. According to Schwartz, starting Stafford "isn’t an experiment. He’s our starting quarterback."
But are the Lions interested in shopping Culpepper, instead of keeping him on as a reliable, steady backup to Stafford?
It’s possible that the Lions are interested in keeping him on, but Schwartz seems to think "He’s back," and that "he did everything to win the job."
So, Stafford is "our starting quarterback," and Culpepper "is back?" Who is Schwartz trying to convince? It sounds an awful lot like he’s sending out a press release to the other 31 teams: "If you need a starting quarterback, we have one sitting the bench here, available cheap!"
Under normal circumstances, Culpepper would be a tough sell. After years of injuries, decline, a retirement, and then half of a sub-par season playing about 50 pounds overweight, he came back strong, in great shape and reportedly playing some of his best football in years. Then he lost the starting job to a rookie quarterback, anyway.
But then, Culpepper looked more than adequate in the preseason, which is more than some teams can say about their projected starter (I’m looking at you, Denver Broncos).
The X-factor in all this is Drew Stanton. After he suffered another knee injury, Schwartz avoided putting him on injured reserve. Schwartz has said that Stanton’s injury is minor, and that he should be back within the first half of the season.
If Culpepper is traded, Stanton becomes the backup, which may be well-warranted, since he was arguably the most impressive and most successful quarterback in the preseason.
But whether Culpepper is traded or not may depend on whether Schwartz and Co. are confident with increasing Stanton’s role, which they will be unable to do until he’s healthy again.
The problem with that is money.
If the Lions were to trade Culpepper, they would want to do it before the start of the regular season, when Culpepper is due a large roster bonus.
But beyond the difficulty of convincing another team to effectively pick up his bonus in the next two days, Stanton will not be ready in that time, which will force the Lions to possibly pick up two quarterbacks to back up Stafford while Stanton heals (if he heals).
Still, the question of trading Culpepper is almost certainly when, not if. The Lions have taken care of their quarterback issues with Stafford, for better or worse, but there are still holes to be filled all over the team.
Culpepper now represents a vehicle with which to fill those holes, either with players or picks.
This is a FanPost and does not necessarily reflect the views of Pride of Detroit's main writer, Sean, or the site in general. FanPosts are valued expressions of opinion by passionate and knowledgeable fans.
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good points..
However I think they will sit tight for now, I think it makes more sense for them to eat the roster bonus and wait for stanton to be healthy then trade culpepper for (hopefully CB or DT/DE) or picks and with his bonus habing been paid he will be more attractive to teams.
That is of course if they even want to do this, I also am not against keeping him for the season but time will tell.
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by alpha lion on Sep 8, 2009 10:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I still can't beleave
That from what I saw in the preseason that Staff infection beet out Culfizzle to be honest, Don’t get me wrong all of you Staff bandwagoners, he is 1 day going to be the man I beleave but h was not the better QB going into this season, And Shwartz missed badly here. He was either pressured from up above to start he money man, or he got too close to MIS track and caught a tire to the head on this one. I can’t beleave that Dr.Pepper get’s shafted for a toe. Damn! Well here we go again this year; fighting for the top overall draft pick again next year.
by davis0169 on Sep 8, 2009 10:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I Disagree
Culpepper never threw the ball downfield and didnt show anything that wowed anyone…..Stafford showed he has a cannon and its accurate……2 of his 4 picks were recievers falling and the 3rd was at the end of a half hail mary style……Stafford showed me his more then able to play QB in the NFL….Just as Matt Ryan showed last year in Atlanta……they were both ready to start from day one as rooks.
by BennieBladesFan on Sep 8, 2009 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
As opposed to what BB
Throwing INT after INT? It would be different if we had a bad ass D to get him out of trouble but we don’t. Culpepper was keeping our O on the field not giving up pick 6’s and putting our D in bad situations in every game. Don’t miss understand me Bennie and all of the Staff bandwagoners, I love staff, but he didn’t win no starting job.
by davis0169 on Sep 8, 2009 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know brother, I know.
But I still don’t have too like it.I beleave that 1 day in the near future Staff will be the shiz-nit but that day shouldn’t be on opening day period.
by davis0169 on Sep 8, 2009 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You know how I feel bro
You just echoed something I said earlier…..:o)
by KDawg on Sep 8, 2009 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My boiling point has been reached again!
If I had a thermometer I would of went wayyyyy past hard-cracked by now.
by davis0169 on Sep 8, 2009 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey REV
how bad was that disagreement with dergru on the other post? or do I not really want too know.
by davis0169 on Sep 8, 2009 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bad enough man
I would rather not talk about it anymore here.
by KDawg on Sep 8, 2009 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was it as bad
as me and Revenge4Favre?
by davis0169 on Sep 8, 2009 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lucky you bro.
Me and him dragged it to 3 of the 4 NFC north blog sites for over 2 weeks.
by davis0169 on Sep 9, 2009 12:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
im not on the bandwagon......
….to me he won the job……how does that make me on the bandwagon…..im far from ever bring on a band wagon……GO LIONS GO SPARTANS!!!
by BennieBladesFan on Sep 9, 2009 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was different
Revenge4Favre was just crazy and annoying. Dergu and KDawg just clashed…badly.
2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).
by Hyperion Ecta on Sep 9, 2009 4:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I also disagree
I think Staffs connection with Cj was won him the job, I mean that bills game was sweet, hitting him for 37 and 40 and almost a 37 yrd TD (was called back) I mean CJ is our best player and Cpep was not even close to utilizing his potential (he completed 1 pass for 20+) if he is afraid to get vertical how soon will it take before it affects our ground game?
dont get me worng I like cpep and wouldnt have minded if he started but I am simply attempting to justify the decision
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by alpha lion on Sep 8, 2009 11:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Alpha
I know it’s irrelavant now,but Culpepper had 0 chance’s to throw too Megatron. How many times in those same games that Staff had to throw to megatron did he get picked off? So I guess that as long as he moves the ball to mid-field before he throws the INT’s means something too you guys. Like another top 3 draft pick again next year. So we can pass on another tackle and take what next year? Another wide out or another safety? I’m just frustrated guys that it’s going to be another long season of watching my beloved lions get shit on again.
by davis0169 on Sep 8, 2009 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your right..
it is irrelevant at this point and I’m not trying to beat a dead horse or start a big argument but… How can you say that he had 0 chances to throw to CJ? He got a chance to play with 1st string didnt he? If memory serves me right he did throw a few deep but they were grossly over thrown.
I know everyone is going back and forth on this INT issue with Stafford and That cpep didnt throw any, however I am still gona say that only 2 of those were his fault and his QB rating and completion % would have been a ton better if it wasnt for dropped passes cough “Colbert” cough. I agree that cpep did a great job with clock management and TOP, I think he did really well and showed he could be a reliable starter for us, I am not disputing that in the least. But is is apparent that he was missing something in his game that Stafford has… The deep threat, spread the D and you will run better, all the check downs will keep everyone close and it will eventually hinder the run game.
I know we will probably go back and forth on this as most of all of us have/will so I will leave it at that. Agreee to disagree, but thank you for your input, i truly enjoy so many perspectives on this site.. always makes me think.
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by alpha lion on Sep 9, 2009 1:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well said Alpha lion
2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).
by Hyperion Ecta on Sep 9, 2009 4:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In the 3rd game.....
…..he threw 0 passes towards CJ…..ZERO!!!!…..Staff threw 7 passes in the saame amount of gmae time.
by BennieBladesFan on Sep 9, 2009 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
"0 chances to throw to Megatron"
[rolling my eyes]
by CLF on Sep 11, 2009 10:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How do you Figure????????????
Cp looked like crap to me. I never wanted that scrub on the team in the first place and was infuriated when he was signed. Look at the preseason. How many times did Cp throw downfield? Once if I recall correctly and he overthrew it. His percentage of completions is higher because he ONLY dumped the ball off. I’m sorry but I rather have a QB in that isn’t afraid to stretch the field. What good is Megatron if you never throw one to him because you are dumping off 4yd passes to the RB? The only way I wanted CP on the field initially was so Staff doesnt get punished and hurt due to Sackus aside from that reason alone I wanted Staff to start.
by Usmarine0341 on Sep 9, 2009 2:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Front Office
I wouldn’t be surprised if it came from higher up, i.e. Ford. If the big man tells Schwartz to start Stafford (ticket sales maybe), coach isn’t going to publically throw him under the bus even if he believes Culpepper is the guy. He’s going to stand in front of the media and tell them he’s behind Stafford 100%. I completely agree that DC had a better preseason, and think he should start. Schwartz may feel the same way, but I wouldn’t be surprised if Ford had his hands all over this one.
by giggy09 on Sep 9, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's all I have been trying to say giggy
There are two sides to every story…..if not more.
by KDawg on Sep 9, 2009 1:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good post Voice
I tend to agree with you, for the most part, every time you post. I agree with you once again, that it is likely Daunte Culpepper will be traded. However, I ask you this….could we have gotten more out of him if he was named the starter for 4-5 weeks (and played relatively well) or will we get the same deal for him even now?
by KDawg on Sep 8, 2009 11:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
good thoughts...
but what if he played bad too? double edge sword im afraid, personally I think with his play in the preseason and the very good statement he made prolly did more for him than anything in reg season would have done for his cause (potentially, again if he did well or didnt do well)
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by alpha lion on Sep 8, 2009 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would agree
But my problem is that the preseason is a glorified practice…..our coach said himself that they would not game plan for any preseason game. They called plays, both offensively and defensively, that helped them evaluate specific players in specific scenarios. Could it not be that Daunte Culpepper played during a time when they wanted to evaluate how well Kevin Smith could do in the passing game, or how well some of these backup WRs did running routes underneath and catching checkdown passes in traffic? What if they didn’t really call plays that allowed Daunte to take many shots downfield? Matt Stafford had 54 pass attempts and completed 7 passes downfield. Daunte had 35 pass attempts and only 1 completion over 20 yards. Does that mean that he can not throw the ball downfield, or does it mean that he was being limited by the coaching staff? What if the difference in pass attempts (19) were the number of times Stafford had chances to throw the ball downfield? All questions that are irrelevant at this point, but they do bring up an interesting point of view.
I agree that it may have been bad for Daunte’s trade value if he was named the starter and he played poorly too. However, I do not feel that anyone here can really disqualify him based on his preseason performance either. On the same token, I do not feel that anyone here can really qualify Matt Stafford based on his preseason performance. Now that the coaches have chosen Stafford as the starter, we will really get a chance to see what we have for a full 4 quarters, with the first team offense, against a first team defense for an entire game. I have high hopes, but I am nervous too.
by KDawg on Sep 8, 2009 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus
One of the most important things to learn is how to throw a ball away. Staff hasn’t shown that at all this preseason, he wants to be a gun slinger and goout there and break Mannings rokkie INT record and all of you Staff bandwagoners are all for it. Not me I want our Lions too win now not in 3 years from now when the end of the world is upon us according to the Miyans.
by davis0169 on Sep 8, 2009 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you seriously think the coaching staff is so incompetent
that they wouldn’t give Culpepper any opportunities to make big plays? If they didn’t, then the competition was a sham anyways, and didn’t matter from the beginning. I’m sure Culpepper got his chances.
by Trysdor on Sep 8, 2009 11:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trying to be level headed hear
At what point did Dr.Pepper get his chance to impress? when all the skilled players were sitting on the sidelines and oposing D-‘s were squatting on our practice squad wr’s? Or in the 1 game that Megatron and grew and Johnson played and we ran the ball all over the field and held a time of posession over Manning and the colts. while Culpepper was running our first string!
by davis0169 on Sep 8, 2009 11:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I am starting to think that exact point.
It’s really starting to smell like millen around here again. Someone really needs to kick WCF sr.‘s head in for messing with his coach’s. And if you can’t smell it already go blow your noses.That’s not roses you are smelling that’s the dirty hookers that keep getting brought in to do a job and leave.
by davis0169 on Sep 8, 2009 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Welcome to the POD
Home of the Detroit Raiders!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by davis0169 on Sep 8, 2009 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How about we let Stafford throw 3 picks in a game
and fail to get the offence going before declaring it all Millen-esque.
2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).
by Hyperion Ecta on Sep 9, 2009 4:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not incompetent
But maybe they just wanted the #1 pick to win the battle…..I’m just saying guys (not telling you for a fact, but begging you all to see things from multiple angles), it’s all about the money, selling tickets and jerseys.
by KDawg on Sep 9, 2009 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is a business
first and foremost and they will do whatever they want which will make them the most profit. If people don’t realize that then they need to grow a brain.
by Usmarine0341 on Sep 9, 2009 2:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then, as I said
the competition was a farce, Stafford was always going to be the QB, and the entire argument is irrelevant.
by Trysdor on Sep 9, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That very well COULD be.....
That’s all I am saying
by KDawg on Sep 9, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just remember KDawg....
winning sells tickets and jerseys too, so don’t always go straight to the conspiracy theory. They might simply think Stafford is the better quarterback and will give the team a better chance to win. Most of the time in a complicated situation, the simplest explanation is usually the right one.
by DrewsLions on Sep 9, 2009 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You bring up some excellent points.
specifically the stats regarding the pass attempts and completions of 20+. I dont have an argument, you are right it is glorified practice.and yes cpep got far fewer pass attempts but without exhaustive (and now irrelevant) research into the plays called while cpep was on the field no one but the coaching staff really knows if he got a fair shot. Assuming everything that schwartz has been telling us is truthful I find it hard to believe he didnt get a fair shake. But again who really knows?
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by alpha lion on Sep 9, 2009 1:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not saying he didn't get a fair shake
All I was doing was pointing out the what ifs from a different point of view….I agree, nobody but the coaches and FO really knows.
by KDawg on Sep 9, 2009 2:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is glorified Practice......
….however the coaches feel Stafford grapsed everything better in that time
by BennieBladesFan on Sep 9, 2009 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
How can you grasp something better than 100%??
Both QBs grasp the offense equally….Culpepper has known the offense for more than 5 years! Yes, Matt Stafford did a great job learning the playbook and he has a good grasp of the offense, but to say that he has a better grasp than Culpepper is nuts.
by KDawg on Sep 9, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks KDawg
for reading and commenting when I post. I’m always interested to see what you have to say on my take, and it nearly always makes me think a little more.
Culpepper’s trade value would have gone up or down based on his game performance if he were named the starter for a few weeks, as others have noted.
That being said, that’s a moot point. If Culpepper were named the starter, and he was performing poorly, his stock would drop, and fast. If he performed well, and the Lions decided to ship him out, good old Lion Nation would draw up the “Fire Mayhew” signs. There would have been no way to win the “boost trade value” game in that sense.
As Culpepper is now, he’s an enigma. Here’s what 31 NFL teams know about Culpepper right now: He was once one of the league’s greats, and certainly has the potential to be again. His decline was due in large part to injury, and he retired last year and let himself get way out of shape. After the Lions picked him up, he finished out the season and immediately went back to work. He entered the offseason in the worst shape of his life entered training camp in the best. He seems more mobile and more comfortable now than he has been in years, and has a preseason completion percentage close to 70, but nobody knows how that will translate in the regular season.
I’m willing to bet somebody out there is curious (or desperate) enough to find out.
by VoiceoftheLions on Sep 9, 2009 1:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe....
I’m not sure I can agree with the idea that the “Lion Nation” would call for Mayhew’s head if Daunte Culpepper were playing well, but our record was not 4-1 or 5-0……..what if we were 2-3 after 5 weeks, but Culpepper had thrown for over 300 yards in all 3 losses? This is actually pretty comical to me, but it is not out of the realm of possibility. If the Lion’s fan base does not know already that Matt Stafford is the future of this team, then they need to wake up and smell the coffee. I think knowing Matt Stafford is the future of the team should make it pretty obvious that Daunte is on his way out of town. I think that even if he were doing well, as long as we were not 5-0 or 4-1, people would understand why we traded him. The better the deal we got, the more people would understand too and the happier they would be that we got something out of a guy who would have left at the end of the year anyway.
As it stands…..I agree with your assessment of what the other 31 teams in the league know. However, I do not see them giving up more than a late round pick for Daunte Culpepper at this point, considering that he will leave Detroit at the end of the season anyway. I still contend that if he had been named the starter, it would not have hurt Matt Stafford in the grand scheme of things, and if he had been playing well (regardless of our record) we could have garnered much higher interest in him than a 6th or 7th round pick.
by KDawg on Sep 9, 2009 2:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Surely Daunte is more valuable than O'Connell?
We shipped him didn’t we?
2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).
by Hyperion Ecta on Sep 9, 2009 4:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
At this point I'm starting to wish we had kept O'Connell instead
His skill set is similar to Drew Stanton’s……strong arm, mobile, can make plays on the run. He could be good off the bench. I liked O’Connell since he was at San Diego State…..still do.
After we trade Culpepper, I wonder if we’ll bring Brooks Bollinger back AGAIN for that “veteran presence” (facepalm).
by GRLion on Sep 9, 2009 7:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is he?
Why would he be any more valuable (other than to the Lions) to any other team outside of Detroit? Sure, he played well when he had his chances in the preseason (glorified practices). Sure, he is a veteran who has been very good in the past. But he got beat out by a rookie on a team that was 0-16 last year. That doesn’t exactly speak valuable to me, and I doubt that any GM in the league thinks so either. Just my opinion.
by KDawg on Sep 9, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There's an inherent disconnect
between 0-16 and a rookie. If the team were 16-0, won the superbowl, and a player was beaten out by a rookie, would that somehow decrease the value of a player less than being beaten out by a rookie on an 8-8 team or an 0-16 team? That makes absolutely no logical sense. A real world example: Jerod Mayo started on the Patriots last year, does that somehow diminish the value of the player he beat out who was starting on the unbeaten team any more than if he’d been drafted first overall and beat out the Dolphins starting LB? Of course not. Ridiculous argument.
by Trysdor on Sep 9, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And to me.....
it is absolutely valid…..you can have your opinion and believe whatever you want. Why is it that so many people are coming out of the woodwork to attack my opinions?
Jerod Mayo beat out a guy who was too old to get the job done at the same level as he could. Teddy Bruschi should have retired last season. The difference here is that Culpepper is every bit as good as Stafford right now. His trade value is diminished because he lost his job (he would be the starter without a doubt had the Lions not drafted Stafford #1) to a rookie. The fact that the Lions were 0-16 last year makes it even worse because any solid veteran should be able to beat out a rookie on a bad team, especially on a team coming off an 0-16 season (Culpepper was not there all season, he played 4 games and was 40 pounds overweight). When a team is coming off the worst record in NFL history, you would think that they would want an experienced leader to bring them out of it (at least I would think so). So a rookie beats out the able veteran, on a team that is coming off of an 0-16 season. There is your connection.
Your example is what is disconnected here Trysdor….it is not comparable. No offense intended, but comparing Mayo to Stafford is like comparing apples to oranges. The players are different, the situations are different, and the teams are different. Your argument of “Jerod Mayo started on the Patriots last year, does that somehow diminish the value of the player he beat out who was starting on the unbeaten team any more than if he’d been drafted first overall and beat out the Dolphins starting LB?” is semantics. Of course it would not diminish either players value more than the other…..but it would diminish their values respectively.
The LB starting for the unbeaten Patriots was old…..and he had his own specific trade value. The starting linebacker for the Dolphins was younger, had HIS own specific trade value, and could have had more trade value than the other guy. Comparatively, using your example, if Jerod Mayo beat out either man for the starting role as a rookie, the trade values of those players would decrease equally for that fact. However, the old guy who got beat out (who served his time on the unbeaten team) would likely lose less trade value due to the fact that his trade value was already low and his team was doing well. The younger guy starting for the less fortunate team (record wise) would lose more trade value in this case, because he would be getting beaten out by a rookie on a team with a bad record. Bad record usually equals bad players….and if a rookie can beat you out for a starting job on a bad team, what value do you have to teams that would make a decent trade offer?
by KDawg on Sep 9, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
KDawg...you aren't at work today are you!
I love it!
http://cmufootball.blogspot.com/
by CapitolLions on Sep 9, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No sir....I am a stay at home Dad for now....
I have an Accounting degree…..but not having luck finding a job, plus I haven’t exactly been looking lately with my Dad dying.
By the way…..my bad on saying Mayo beat out Bruschi…..I think it was actually Junior Seau…..same concept, different guy.
by KDawg on Sep 9, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
On that note...
I think the NE Defense will be lucky to be decent this year…
If the Pats want to win the Super Bowl, they will have to do it a-la the 2000 Rams
http://cmufootball.blogspot.com/
by CapitolLions on Sep 9, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There is a obvious drawback to losing a starting job to a rookie on an 0-16 team
But my statement was about the players compared. Surely Culpepper is a better player the O’Connell, who is a 2nd-3rd stringer at best. Culpepper has showed he can at least be a decent starter. Most GMs would be able to see that is the case. Plus, it’s not like C-Pep was bean’t out by a Brandstater or someone like that, he was beaten by the No.1 pick, I don’t think Culpepper loses to much value there.
2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).
by Hyperion Ecta on Sep 9, 2009 7:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess there is hope
That there are GMs who will see it your way HE.
by KDawg on Sep 9, 2009 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I owuld have said the same thing about Roy Williams
I freely admit that Culpepper is not Roy.
by ATL Lion on Sep 9, 2009 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would rather see deep balls that CJ and the DB go up for than slant and swing pass after swing pass
Schwartz knows…if the ball is up, CJ has a better chance than anyone to go get it
http://cmufootball.blogspot.com/
by CapitolLions on Sep 8, 2009 11:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It's about controlling the ball!
we don’t have a good enough D-fence to put them out there for more than half a game. We need to keep the other teams O on the sidelines not the other way around.This isn’t the “greatest show on turf” here in motown. And how long do you think it will be before every team realises that they can “bait” staff into throwing bad passes? It took the browns 1 play! took ATL 1 series.
by davis0169 on Sep 9, 2009 12:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
And you can’t rely on 1 guy every single time you throw either.
by KDawg on Sep 9, 2009 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wish that Shwartz
would come on to the POD 1 time a month and BS with us, so he could understand where all our frustration comes from.
by davis0169 on Sep 9, 2009 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dunno about that
remember when Batch was tearing it up out there throwing to only Herman Moore. That worked great until the coaches made him use his checkdowns then we were losing. I wish I had a link or a way to post the facts behind it but I dont.
by Usmarine0341 on Sep 9, 2009 2:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ummm
You seem to have forgotten Brett Perriman……
by KDawg on Sep 9, 2009 2:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My bad
Johnny Morton…..I drank a few Buds….lol
by KDawg on Sep 9, 2009 2:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Charlie Batch's best year
in Detroit was 2000…..and Johnny Morton wormed his way into leading the Lion’s in receiving that year.
Herman Moore’s best year was in 1995 with good old Scott “vertigo” Mitchell at the helm….the year that Moore and Perriman set the NFL tandem receiving record…..Johnny Morton was WR3……44 catches for 590 yards, 8 td, & 3 rushes for 33 yards and 0 td. Back in the day when our O was explosive…..
Check out this site if you want stats and history marine…..http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/det/
by KDawg on Sep 9, 2009 2:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah that doesn't sound right...
I thought Batch had Crowell and Morton. Moore was still there, but a shadow of his former self.
by Mushy on Sep 9, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Breakdown (** denotes Charlie Batch's best year)....TEs and RBs not included
1998 – Batch had Moore and Morton as WRs….Moore: 82 catches for 983 yards, 5 td, Morton: 69 catches for 1,028 yards, 2 td, & 1 rush for 11 yards and 0 td
1999 – Batch had Crowell and Morton as WRs (Herman Moore did not play in 1999)…..Crowell: 81 catches for 1,338 yards, 7 td, & 5 rushes for 38 yards and 0 td, Morton: 80 catches for 1,129 yards, 5 td
Walter Rasby was out TE in 1998 and a small part of 1999…..David Sloan took over in 1999 and was the TE for the rest of Batch’s time. Things pretty much went downhill after Barry retired at the end of 1998…..
2000** – Batch had Moore, Morton, and Crowell as WRs……Moore: 40 catches for 434 yards, 3 td, Morton: 61 catches for 788 yards, 3 td, & 4 rushes for 25 yards and 0 td, Crowell: 34 catches for 430 yards, 3 td, & 1 rush for 12 yards and 0 td (Brian Stablein also had 8 catches)
2001 – Batch had Larry Foster and Johnny Morton as WRs (Crowell and Moore were injured, and Desmond Howard, Scotty Anderson, Bert Emanuel, and Larry Foster filled in)…..Foster: 22 catches for 283 yards, 0 td, & 2 rushes for 6 yards and 0 td, Morton: 77 catches for 1,154 yards, 4 td, & 1 rush for 6 yards and 0 td
by KDawg on Sep 9, 2009 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
^out = our
And that blurb about the TEs was supposed to be at the end of the post…..but oh well
by KDawg on Sep 9, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And I meant to say "things went downhill, record wise, after Barry retired"
by KDawg on Sep 9, 2009 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Doh....
Their record improved after Barry retired….but things really went downhill in 2001 when Mornhinweg took over as head coach…..
by KDawg on Sep 9, 2009 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure...
I would blame the 2001 decline on Mornhinweg. As I recall, that was the year another major player stumbled into the Detroit franchise.
by VoiceoftheLions on Sep 9, 2009 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would you be refering to Jeff Backus?
I’m just saying that I don’t think you can really blame it all on Backus either….Mornhinweg was a terrible head coach.
by KDawg on Sep 10, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So many corrections KDawg
All that did was bring up bad memories! Pity, for the last eight years I probably would have traded in this nightmare to get those memories back.
Hey what year was it that Porcher took D-Howard out for the season during a sideline celebration? Now if that wasn’t classic Lions football, I don’t know what is!
by Mushy on Sep 10, 2009 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I mean...
…did you have to mention “Barry Retired” three times? It’s like having someone remind you of that time you broke all your ribs in a car accident…the wounds have healed and yet you still mysteriously feel the pain!
by Mushy on Sep 10, 2009 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
I gotta say you are so right Mushy. Or ask a 1 legged man to try and win a butt kickin contest, somethings I just don’t want to remember but that was “lions” football reguardless.SWEEEEET The golden dumbers just missed a chip shot field goal!!! and then Millen speaks, This is just too bitter sweet today. I think I am going to turn on the radio and turn off the “boob” tube.
by davis0169 on Sep 12, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Morton was good for this team...
…its a shame what happened to him since. We should have known back when he got in to that screaming match with Millen that Millen was an absolute clown of a GM. Who does that?
by Mushy on Sep 10, 2009 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was really pissed when we let Morton go....
He would probably still be playing for us and producing……he would definitely be a good compliment to CJ and Bryant Johnson now.
by KDawg on Sep 10, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
At the very least...
…I don’t think he would have turned to MMA.
by Mushy on Sep 10, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or should've known
that’s when Morton turned to steroids…lol
by CLF on Sep 11, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Too bad about Crowelll
Bad knee injury and was never the same.
by CLF on Sep 11, 2009 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Was he ever
a threat to begin with? Not in my memory bank. He was another washed player as far as I’m concerned. I loed the pick back then but he never amounted to anything.
by davis0169 on Sep 12, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's why I'm happy Staff's starting.....
I think he learned from those mistakes, from being baited. That’s going to happen this year; in fact, you could say baiting HAS to happen this year, so Stafford can learn these tricks firsthand, on the field. You can’t learn that on the bench. I think he’s ready to go out there and get game experience. It’s about 2 things…..it’s about making plays, and it’s about learning nuances. Staff can already do the first; he needs game experience now to do the second.
by GRLion on Sep 10, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why can't Buchanon and Henry tell Stafford what these other guys will do?
Maybe even in addition to playing and seeing it firsthand.
by KDawg on Sep 10, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I suppose it would be like Stafford trying to tell you how to break a certain coverage
Without probably seeing it firsthand, you probably won’t grasp it as strongly.
2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).
by Hyperion Ecta on Sep 10, 2009 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe
I am a pretty good QB for my size….LOL!
I once put together a football team (yes it was intramural flag football) made up of all of the leftover guys that nobody wanted on their teams, but they still wanted to play. We went all the way to the championship game. I played center (the center was eligible to release for passes). We were losing in the championship game, down by 2 because we failed on a 2 pt conversion. We got the ball back with one last chance, but we failed to get anywhere on the first three plays. It was fourth down and we had one last shot at a hail mary. I took over at QB, because the guy playing QB was fast and I thought we would be better off with him running a streak vs me running one. I looked at my guys in the huddle, and I said “This is it guys….one shot at glory. Just get deep and open and I will hit you”. I took the snap and dropped back….a heavy rush was on me. I looked left (at the QB who I sent out as a WR) and watched the opposing defense shift to that side of the field. At the last second, I stepped up in the pocket and looked deep to my right at a wide open receiver….I heaved the football down the field in his direction. When I released the ball it came off my fingertips as a perfect spiral, but it floated toward the middle of the field. My old buddy Jeremy ran over, leaped, and caught the game winning TD pass in the end zone!!
I will never forget that day….and it gives me goosebumps just thinking about it now….:o) We were the 1997 Northwestern Michigan College Intramural Football Champions….and I won a t-shirt and a watermelon for my efforts! LOL! I also hit a championship game winning home run in the intramural softball league that same year….I hit the ball so hard that it was lopsided when they found it on top of the roof of the gymnasium! I was given that ball, and I also won a t-shirt and a watermelon for that!
by KDawg on Sep 10, 2009 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well Done
I never really played competively myself, but I used to play a bit with my friends, just 5 on 5 stuff. I used to play TE, since I was fairly well built for the position (6’1’’, 235lbs). I actually learnt quite a bit about the game early on by playing it.
2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).
by Hyperion Ecta on Sep 11, 2009 4:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
nice rev nice
you seed spitting nut! :) I guess I should of asked you first did you spit or swallow? lmao.
by davis0169 on Sep 12, 2009 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't mean all the time guys!!! HAHA...
I should have said that…but I like how stafford will take chances down the field even if there is coverage…I just like that.
http://cmufootball.blogspot.com/
by CapitolLions on Sep 9, 2009 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey Pope Sean Paul
If I put up a racial joke that I herd on our draft day up here, would i get flagged? It’s funny I promise but only if we don’t have any racial tension prior to this joke.
by davis0169 on Sep 9, 2009 12:28 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
It is not that bad.....
It does not make any racial slur or anything……it just makes a point really.
by KDawg on Sep 9, 2009 1:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why is there a need to post a joke?
We’re days away from the season, I think we can stay off-topic. And if you aren’t sure, best bet is to not post it.
Pride of Detroit, SB Nation's Lions Blog
by Sean Yuille on Sep 9, 2009 3:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with Sean
This is a great site guys, people are already testy from recent events and awaiting the start of the season. We don’t need to throw gasoline on the embers.
by NorthLeft12 on Sep 9, 2009 8:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A priest, a rabbi, and a talking dog walk into a bar
And the priest says “We can’t trade Culpepper. After our QB debacle from last year I think we need to make sure we have 2 backup QBs that really know the offense. We aren’t good enough to ship off Culpepper for some late round draft pick. Maybe if everything is humming around week 5 and some other team is in desperate need of a QB, we rob them blind. Until then, who would pay us for Culpepper when they can get Garcia for free?”
I know, I know. It is a terrible joke.
by ATL Lion on Sep 9, 2009 8:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kdawg and Davis......
…..you guys make good points on Staff…..im just saying in my mind he won the job……Im not on the bandwagon…..Just feel he played better……Culpepper nevee looked that good even last year….I mean hey we didnt when a game when he started and I actually think Orlovsky played just as good if not better……Staff will do fine.
by BennieBladesFan on Sep 9, 2009 9:19 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Also.....
……I value most of your guys opinions as you guys arent just on here making pts ever once in a while like some…..Your on here like most of us and you know football like myself.
by BennieBladesFan on Sep 9, 2009 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I understand
However, I will be quick to point out that Daunte Culpepper came out of retirement (sitting on his couch somewhere eating ho-hos and ice cream) almost 40 pounds over his playing wieght. He played in 4 games for the Lions, and he was expected to start immediately. I guess my point is that there is no real way that we could have expected him to come in and win in that condition. Yeah, Orlavsky outplayed a 295 pound Daunte Culpepper…..I think Billy Joe Tolliver could have done that.
Not saying that Matt Stafford will not, or can not, do well…..just saying that Culpepper deserved a chance to prove himself as the starter, and not only would it have increased the likelihood that we would have been able to get more than a late round pick out of him in trade, but also it would not have hurt Matt Stafford’s future in the league in the slightest.
by KDawg on Sep 9, 2009 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah Bennie
like I’ve said before: We are going to have the next TD combo and I am very excited about what I have seen out of Staff infection, but we should of rewarded Culpepper for coming into camp in the best shape of his professional career, an he didn’t play that bad. I just really badly wanted to see our lions have a veteran out there in week 1 at least beingthat we are going on be on the road.
by davis0169 on Sep 12, 2009 4:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dauntless Dr. Culpepper restuctured his contract
I don’t think he’s going anywhere, nor that he wants to.
Did you read Daunte’s press release when Schwartz announced that Stafford was going to start? (full release was on the Lions home site) He sounded o.k. with the role handed him.
by myPride on Sep 9, 2009 9:26 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
view from the north
culpepper i must say for just walking off the street last year, looked good. horrible if he had played all 16 games…but considering he had no camp…he played as good as i expected him to. in camp, he was solid, mistake free. but mistake free doesn’t always get points on the board either. linehans offense is about downfield play. taking shots. culpepper did not do this. he had opportunity. i give him credit where credit is due, he played well. but staff made the most of preseason. taking chances, making throws, making mistakes, making highlights…but took those chances when it didn’t really matter, in preseason…again glorified practice. you have to give staff credit for this…he made the most of his opportunity. yes he made mistakes…and guess what, so did cpepp in his four games last year. expect more of them…its the double edge sword of having a gunslinger a la favre or elway (not that i am saying staff is or will be either, but he plays that style)…trying to make throws he shouldn’t but also completing passes he has no business doing. either way, i have a lot of respect for cpepp,that i didn’t have before…and scary as it is to say this, i think we were in a win win either way & i am very comfortable with the two of them. i hope they do cpepp justice & trade him before his contract is up cuz he can still play & there are teams who don’t have qb’s as good as him right now.
by londonlion on Sep 9, 2009 9:28 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
and its odd that cpepp didn't take those shots
cuz he knows linehans style…perhaps that is what frustrated linehan & schwartz and lead to staff starting (on top of the fact the young gun wins if camp is “tied” approach) he should have had the leg up simply having known linehans system. either way, i still say that staff made more of thie opportunities afforded to him
by londonlion on Sep 9, 2009 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wish I had more tape
On TV you can’t see if his down field receiver was open or not. I’m sure if he was overlooking the open guy to go to his checkdown, that would play into his benching.
by ATL Lion on Sep 9, 2009 9:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yet we do not know
If the plays called were designed to be downfield passes…..
by KDawg on Sep 9, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
have to assume
that plays called gave equal opportunity…otherwise we could get into a whole other conspiracy theory around the franchise wanting/needing staff to start…sheesh…would that ever be a good one…again i ask where is ralph!!!
by londonlion on Sep 9, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
Why am I having such a hard time believing it then? Dude….we have all seen Daunte Culpepper throw the big bomb….and it was never his arm that was in question.
by KDawg on Sep 9, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i truly think he was more tenative after last years results
he wanted to show he was a more efficient qb…smarter & able to make the safe read to move downfield rather than take the risk of turnovers. he knew staff would throw the picks…so his competitive edge would be the better turnover ratio
by londonlion on Sep 9, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And in my opinion.....
It should have worked. Like I said….we all know that DC can make the deep throws.
by KDawg on Sep 9, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i agree...i know he can
but the $42 million question…is why didn’t he? His choice vs Linehans choice? i lean on the side of his choice. smart perhaps competitively…but it didn’t work out for him. still have a ton more respect for him than i did a year ago!
by londonlion on Sep 9, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
same here london
and thats why I wanted him so badly, yeah we have to go through growing pains (again) with another young QB, and I do think that staff infection will be damn good ina year or two; and I know I have said that I already know he is going to make me eat crow for all the bad things i said about drafting him.But week 1 in the NFL on the road is not theplace to start a rookie when we have not gotten to have him play with all the first stringers for more than 1 game.
by davis0169 on Sep 12, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WOOOOOOOOOOOO HYOOOOOOOOOOOO
TD MEEEEEEEECHIGAN. go blue go!!!!! 14-0. Woooooooooooooooooooo Hooooooooooooooooooo!
by davis0169 on Sep 12, 2009 4:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
fair, however
staff through into coverage…completed some specatcular throws & threw picks as a result. fact is though that staff trusted his weapons to make plays on the other end. cpepp either missed the open guy, or didn’t want to take the chance or didn’t trust his playmakers…again why i say staff took the bull by the horns. yes he made some mistakes…but he also made some plays. cpepp did neither. was solid…but personally, i was not in favor of this at the start of preseason simply due to the opening schedule…but am glad (and scared) that staff will be out there.
by londonlion on Sep 9, 2009 9:41 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I just don't see it.
With Culpepper’s contract due up at the end of the season, the only teams that would trade for him would be one’s who feel like they have a shot at a title. Of those teams with a legitimate shot at a championship, it would have to be a team that does not rely heavily on a quarterback. By this, I mean that the quarterback is basically asked to “not lose” games, make smart decisions, and hand the ball off to stud running backs. Regardless of how you feel about Culpepper’s ability at this point, I don’t think for one second that any team is willing to let their championship hopes ride on Culpepper throwing the ball 35+ times a game. Realistically, I’m sure without a training camp under his belt any team that would rely on Culpepper as a quarterback would like to minimize his attempts to around 30/game. So looking at teams that might fit that criteria (legitimate title shot, less than 30 attempts/game) the list is down to 5 teams:
Panthers, Titans, Vikings, Falcons, Ravens
All of these have legitimate starters in place, so the only way I see CPep going anywhere is if one of those starters goes down. Obviously it’s a long season, and the NFL changes on an annual basis, so the list will certainly change, but keep in mind that even if one of these starters goes down CPep would have to be obviously better than whoever the backup is on whatever team he would get traded to. So many things would have to fall in to place to send Culpepper elsewhere that I just don’t see it.
by Mushy on Sep 9, 2009 10:58 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'll throw 2 other teams in the mix
they don’t follow your criteria of being title contenders though, but they may be in the market for a decent starting QB- the Redskins and the Broncos. We all know Snyder doesn’t have any faith in Jason Campbell, and Orton is just a noodle-armed game manager.
I respectfully disagree with the idea of DC getting shopped right now. He’ll probably leave via FA in the upcoming offseason, but I don’t think the Lions are going to try to unload him during the season
by JazzyBBP on Sep 9, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The problem with Washington and Denver...
…is that they are going no where this year (at least on paper). Why would a team with no championship hopes be interested in giving up a draft pick or other players for a player they can’t keep around? Or for that matter, what would stop them from just signing Culpepper in the off season once he’s a free agent again?
by Mushy on Sep 9, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Denver would be a much better team
With Daunte Culpepper as their starting QB…..
by KDawg on Sep 9, 2009 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
KDawg is allllllll over this thread!
Go get ’em man!
I agree that Pep is better than Orton BTW
http://cmufootball.blogspot.com/
by CapitolLions on Sep 9, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah...but...
…they would only have him for one year? They could always re-sign him, but if they don’t look title bound (which in my opinion they don’t), then why not just wait until the off season and snatch him up as a free agent?
by Mushy on Sep 9, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They sure looked good with Cutler....
Until he choked come playoff time….
Who knows man….on one hand I agree that teams will just wait until he is a FA, but on the other hand I think the Broncos could get desperate enough to make us a good offer (I’m betting they still see themselves as a playoff team at a minimum).
by KDawg on Sep 9, 2009 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And Patriots...
They WILL get a different back up for Brady by Week 2…Might be AJ Feely…might not.
Don’t count them out. I bet they call Detroit and try to low ball us, like a 6th rounder or something like that.
http://cmufootball.blogspot.com/
by CapitolLions on Sep 9, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I considered NE...
…but they count too much on their quarterback. I know Cassell played well for them last year despite not having started since Highschool (is anybody else sick of that freakin story?!), but he had been with the team through camp and was familiar with the playbook. Needless to say, when a quarterback joins a team mid-season, there is almost always a grace period where they are usually asked to do only the simplest things…I would think (given their track record of losing starting quarterbacks and inserting their backups) that the Patriots would be willing to hold firm with what they’ve got on the roster now.
by Mushy on Sep 9, 2009 11:33 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I tend to agree
that Culpepper will not leave Detroit until his contract is up at the end of the season. I see him collecting his paycheck and roster bonus, and retiring at the end of the season. The only way I see him leaving this season is if the Lions FO is content in getting a late round pick out of him in trade. I would really like to see them package DC with a middle round pick for a name brand player….a DT, a CB, or even Brandon Marshall (who is every bit worth a 3rd rounder in my humble and honest opinion).
by KDawg on Sep 9, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
3rd Rounder and Pep for...
Marshall and a 6th Rounder
DO IT!
http://cmufootball.blogspot.com/
by CapitolLions on Sep 9, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wouldn't that just be icing on the cake.....:o)
by KDawg on Sep 9, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that would be real nice to see Capitol 1
hell Marshall for culpizzle and anything lower than 3rd round pick I’d say jump for it.
by davis0169 on Sep 12, 2009 4:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
seriously
i’m a lifer lions fan but do u guys realy think it’s going to make a dif who’s qb’ing this year. until our D drasticly improves we are still going to be have a top 5 draft pick
by AMERICANADIANS on Sep 9, 2009 3:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I do think it makes a difference
Unless Stafford is able to control the time of possession as effectively as Daunte Culpepper could. I agree that our defense will have to drastically improve if we are going to score fast and not worry about the time of possession. With a rookie QB will come rookie mistakes…..our defense is not good enough to stop opposing teams if we are going to try to win every game in an offensive shootout. Our offense, and our rookie QB, needs to do what it can to control the clock and keep our defense off the field as much as possible. Otherwise I think we will lose a lot of games in the 3rd and 4th quarters because our defense will be tired, and our rookie QB is bound to make mistakes. It would not make a difference who the QB was if both QBs were equally good at controlling the time of possession and managing the clock.
by KDawg on Sep 9, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stafford did show ability to control the TOP
Culpepper had 3 drives of more than 5 mins, while Stafford had 2. I know Culpepper did it in less time and such, but at least Stafford established he can control the clock and develop a long drive.
2009 = The start of the Lions Golden Age (We hope).
by Hyperion Ecta on Sep 9, 2009 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
playoffs?
as passionate as u appear to be about culpepper i guess we should be starting him…we would be a lock for the playoffs. or we can give the kid a chance and focus on his growth
by AMERICANADIANS on Sep 9, 2009 3:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
2 comments.....
Welcome to POD Americanadians…..cool name. Look man, I don’t know if you have been reading and just not posting (joined March 30, 2009….so I assume that to be the case), but my argument is not that Culpepper should start all year, and my argument is not that Culpepper is a better QB than Stafford (outside of experience and knowledge of the intricacies of the game). My argument is that he should have been named the starter, at least for the first 4-5 weeks, not only to showcase his abilities as an NFL starter to hopefully increase his trade value, but also to see if he could take us somewhere (the what if questions are endless). If we were not 5-0 or 4-1 by week 5, then as long as Daunte had performed respectfully well, we would likely be in a far better position to get something decent out of him in a trade before the week 6 trade deadline. At that point, I would be happy to see Stafford take over. Now that we know this is not going to happen, I have also said that I am behind Stafford 100%. I am just stating my opinions here, in light of the decision that has been made.
by KDawg on Sep 9, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
kDawg
no disrespect intended i just don’t c how starting culpepper is going to make us that much of a better team. i think the rook has what it takes but needs to learn how to play against real nfl defences. and he isn’t going to do that by going up against ours in practice….. i want to win now too but i don’t c more than 4 wins with our schedule no matter how good our offence is. peace
by AMERICANADIANS on Sep 9, 2009 4:00 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Again
It’s not about who would make us a better team to me at this point…..it is about what we can get out of Culpepper. I do not like the idea of paying him 4 million dollars to hold the clipboard for 1 year, only to watch him leave at the end of the season with no return on the investment the organization has made in him. I agree that Stafford has to learn by playing….but 4 or 5 weeks of watching Daunte do it would not hurt him in the long run. You said it yourself, we are not going anywhere this year anyway, so what would it hurt? I say it would have helped the team in the long run more than it would have hurt Matt Stafford’s potential.
by KDawg on Sep 9, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think that we really need....
to get a return on the investment. Not sure why you are hung up on getting something for him. He wasn’t a long-term investment anyway… he was a one year bond simply to keep your other investment safe. I think the better long-term investment is giving Stafford those 4-5 games for experience versus a late-round draft pick by giving Culpepper a “trade showcase”.
I’m not sure if you mean this but…. your comments sound like you wanted Schwartz to start Culpepper solely to get his trade value up? That’s not a reason for him to start… actually, I think that’s a very bad reason.
by DrewsLions on Sep 9, 2009 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That and the fact.....
that Stafford is no better than DC in my opinion…..if we are going to give up on Culpepper, we might as well get something out of him before we hand the ball over the the rookie.
by KDawg on Sep 9, 2009 6:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am with you KDawg
If the Lions are going to pay c pep his bonus, they should try to get something for investment. If they don’t think they will get more than a late round pick, then I guess they have to make the choice. Cut him before he gets the bonus and find a cheaper backup, or pay him, keep him as a very good backup, and maybe get a decent trade offer for him during the season. I might tend to think he would be cut before the first game if Stanton was healthy and could back up Stafford.
by Lead Hunter on Sep 9, 2009 10:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Drew let me jump in here for a min bro.
We all agree that we have a ton o holes in our roster right? And we are already trying to bolster our draft picks for next year also right? otherwise why did we sign then trade O’connel? So with that in mnd why wouldn’t we try to get something for nothing with Culpepper. The decision is already made about Staff infection so let’s get some more draft picks or some kind of player for a gy that most of you already have not being on the roster for next season.I still think that Culpepper will be back next year in honn blue and silver, why wouldn’t we bring him back? He knows the system and is going to be a viable helper to Staff, and if staff does go down;reguardless of when, can you ask for a more better second stringer to come in and not miss a beat.
by davis0169 on Sep 12, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's not that the Lions wouldn't want to keep Culpepper
It’s that Culpepper does not want to be a backup. If he were willing to accept a backup role in Detroit, I am sure we would re-sign him. If he insists on trying to be a starter again (which I am sure he will), then he will leave as a FA and sign elsewhere.
by KDawg on Sep 12, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where would he go?
Dallas? lmao But he could go there, don’t they have another 3rd round pick this year.
by davis0169 on Sep 12, 2009 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
fair enough
i didn’t read yer post b4 i sent my next 1. i understand yer point but i say cut him now …the only thing we may get for him is a 5th or 6th… maybe tampa or denver would give up a third but is it worth 4 mil to try. bring garcia back and have a true mentor for stafford.
by AMERICANADIANS on Sep 9, 2009 4:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Ya, he didn't...
try to force the ball into double or triple coverage, like Staffy did, that’s why he didn’t throw any interceptions. But, also may have been his downfall, by not taking risky chances. My only real question, was his inability to finish drives, although Matt had the same trouble finishing drives, possibly more, as he played 1 more game than DC did. And that folks was the problem last year, as well. The only one who was really able to finish drives on a somewhat consistent basis was Stanton, but was goin against 2nd/3rd teamers & guys who got cut, or are now on the practice squad.
I would say you were correct in your assessment that he was being shopped, if they had decided to keep Kevin O’Connell. They will probably let him ride out the rest of his contract & let him go via UFA. Otherwise they’d only have DS, as a back up. I still think they would’ve started DC had he not injured his toe, or whatever. They kinda had to name him starter, as he’s their only healthy QB.
by LTownDown on Sep 9, 2009 4:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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