The Monday Morning Microscope: Week 5 – The Rebirthing
Disclaimer: I cannot be held responsible for what is written in this column this morning. I am suffering from a severe medical condition known as Incessant Giddiness. The only known cure is watching the end of the Bears game from Week 1, so I've chosen to suffer through the side-effects - which includes putting my foot in my mouth, evil laughing, excessive positivity (even by my standards) and making over-the-top statements.
One of the good things, if there are any, about not winning very often, is how sweet it is when you finally get one. This is the one we've been waiting quite a while for too. You know... the one that finally tells us that we are on the right track. Not just a win, but an unmistakable, undeniable beating that, regardless of the opponent, says we have weapons and talent on both sides of the ball. It wasn't perfect, but it was one of the most complete games that I've seen by the Lions in quite some time. This win was good for the coaches, it was good for the players and it was great for the fans.
I shudder to think what the mood would be in Detroit had this gone the other way and now, thankfully, I don't have to. Yesterday's game is a rebirthing of sorts. Although we are still only 1-4, it felt like one of those corner-turning games. We've been so close to winning and we all needed a game against a lesser opponent (and I use that term in a loose comparison to who we've faced and not as a shot against a good, young Rams team) to verify what many of us have been thinking yet somewhat unsure of... we are better than our record. And our Lions came through with flying colors, dominating in all phases and showing the world what we have the ability to do. Again, I know that we are 1-4, but now more than ever, I look at our schedule and feel like we have a chance... but a chance at what? A chance at 5 wins? A chance at the division? A chance at shocking the world? I don't know. All I know is that I love how we are playing right now and I can say for a fact that NOBODY wants to play us right now... especially if they are a "so-called" contender. We are the ultimate trap game for any team feeling good about themselves. We are the team that, even if we don't win, makes you question how good you think you are.
We are a dangerous animal right now. We are a juvenile delinquent with a loaded handgun. We are Uzbekistan with a nuke. We are the team with the talent and weapons that might not have the ability - just yet - to control it all well enough to make something positive happen. This goes back to the whole "learning to win" thing. I know some people hate that phrase, but I believe there is something to it. When you have the aptitude to play well, you have to learn to get out of your own way. When the Lions do that, it is a beautiful thing to see because they do have some genuine talent (as opposed to "faux" talent like Harrington, Rogers, etc). I want to see what this team is going to do with the momentum this game gives them. I want to see them go into New York with attitude and play another relatively clean game. I want to see this team go into the bye week with a two game win streak and the whole road loss thing out of everyone's mind. This would give us a perfectly clean slate for Stafford to start the beginning of the new era of Lions football after the bye. Right? Cue the segway...
I can't believe that I am about to type this, but I think that there is nothing that Matt Stafford could have done any better than what Shaun Hill did yesterday. Over the last few weeks, Hill has really built my confidence in him and I think the best move for Detroit is to allow Matt the time to completely heal and let Hill try to continue his fantastic play. Ouch... that kind of hurt to type. But let's be clear what I am NOT saying... I am not saying that Hill has any shot whatsoever to supplant Stafford - in my opinion anyway. When Stafford is 100%, he gets the start, no questions asked. I just look at the evidence presented with Stafford's rehab and it looks like it would be a stretch to start him at the Giants. If that's the case, don't rush him. Give him an extra two weeks to heal and let Hill hold down the fort for one more week.
Thoughts on the Game:
- More (Temporary) Love for Hill: Once again Shaun Hill was efficient and effective and deserves praise for another stellar performance. He is really starting to feel this offense and he and Linehan seem to be on the same page. That said, I sincerely hope that Hill's solid play doesn't start a rift amongst Lions fans once Stafford gets back. Stafford is the future. Stafford is only in his second year. Stafford needs the experience. Stafford might be a little rusty. Stafford might not play as well in his first game back as Hill's played the last two weeks. If I know anything about Lions' fans it is that they can be a fickle bunch. I can foresee the fan's leash on Stafford being unnecessarily short because of how well Hill has played. Usually, having two good quarterbacks on your roster is a good thing. If this happens, it won't be. So here is my personal plea to all you PODsters... no calling for Hill if Stafford struggles a little upon return. All it will do is create ill feelings amongst fans and Hill replacing Stafford as long-term starter has no chance of happening, so let's not even get into it. Sound good?
- Might As Well "Jump": There wasn't much in this game to be upset about and I don't really want to dwell on anything negative, but the defensive line jumping offsides is really getting under my skin. I don't know if it is them being overly aggressive or a lack of concentration or what it is, but it has to get corrected. As slim as our margin of loss has been, everything becomes a factor. Penalties have no doubt played a part in our past losses. And in my best Forrest Gump, that's all I have to say about that...
- Props to the O-Line: I gotta give some love to the offensive line for their performance yesterday. No, they were not perfect and likely will never be, but they played a pretty solid game. Honestly, they have been good most of the year with the exception of a few too many penalties and Peterman's iffy play... which looks like it had more to do with the injury than anything else. Peterman played a decent game yesterday, so I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt that it was the injury.
- Under Pressure: I know I came down on the defensive line for the penalties, but honestly, they have been the difference in this team this year. The biggest distinction is the constant pressure. Not that they always get the sack on every play, but they have significantly reduced the amount of time the opposing quarterback has in the pocket. I haven't seen an opposing quarterback really be able to get completely comfortable for a whole game. Some may complain that they haven't been as good as they could be and while that may be true, the effort they give and the pressure they give is light years beyond that of the recent defensive lines during the Marinelli Era (a.k.a the defensive line head coach era).
- No Turnovers: I was very happy to see the Lions have an entire game without a turnover. That is one of the little things that in the grand scheme pays big dividends. The Lions gave the Rams nothing. They made them work extremely hard for the six points they got and aside from the penalties, the Lions gave them absolutely no help all day. Those are the things that good teams do. Dare I say that we are on the way to becoming just that?
- Hum, Baby: How about that 105 yd TD return by Logan? Another one of the little things that good teams make happen. What a difference a year and firing Stan Kwan can make for special teams. Yesterday was another fantastic outing for that group.
Offensive Game Ball:
Shaun Hill - Quarterback
For the second week in a row, he is the engine that made this vehicle go. Hill just seems to be gaining more and more confidence under center and I think that he is finally starting to utilize all these weapons that he has at his disposal. His delivery might be a little unorthodox, but the bottom line is that he is getting it done. All I ask is that Hill holds down the fort for one more week. If he can get a win at New York, he will have earned his salary as the back-up quarterback for Detroit. Daunte who?
Defensive Game Ball:
Louis Delmas - Safety
This was a tough one as there were many guys that played well, but Delmas, even though we all know he is not 100%, was his usual aggressive self. I know that Steven Jackson ultimately got over 100 yards rushing, but we held when we needed to and Delmas was fantastic against the run.
Goat(s) of the Game:
There will be no Goat of the Game this week. Maybe that's a cop-out, but I for one, can't think of one individual player that really did anything to contribute to a loss this week. I mean, when you win 44-6, no one on either side of the ball did anything detrimental to the team. So as one of the founding members of the Eternal Optimists Club, I will try to keep this wonderful win as free from as much negativity as I can.
In Conclusion...
I am very excited to see where this season leads. I have maintained throughout this season that we are indeed showing signs of progress and here is an indicator:
Lions: 126 +14 differential
Opponents: 112
This is the total points scored in the first five games of the season. This is not your typical team with a losing record. Want proof? Here are the stats of the other one win or less teams (exluding the 49ers and Vikings):
Browns (1-4): 78 -19 differential
Opponents: 97
Bills (0-5): 87 -74 differential
Opponents: 161
Cowboys (1-3): 81 -6 differential
Opponents: 87
Panthers (0-5): 52 -58 differential
Opponents: 110
Granted, these stats don't tell the whole picture, but I use them to simply say that we are better than the other struggling teams in the NFL. In fact, there are only four other teams that have scored more points than we have. I know, I know... we have given up a lot of points, but we knew that was likely to happen. The point I'm trying to make is that we have the means to overcome that now. In the past, that was not the case. When you lose 4 of 5 and have a points differential of a +14, my take-away is that we are very close to turning the corner - or perhaps we just turned it. While wins are the indicator that matters, there are other statistics that show that we are indeed on the right track. What I don't want to hear anyone say is "Same ‘Ol Lions". They are most definitely not.
I know that the haters will say that it's only one game and Lions' fans always do this... win one game and then proclaim that they are on track to be good. Maybe we have, but this time it is indeed different. I really do think that we can go on a run from here and who really knows what can happen? We all wanted to see this game be a decisive rout and that's exactly what we got. So what does it mean? Were we just lucky or did the Rams merely have a bad day? Was the score and dominance really indicative of us being that much better? Are we really a 4-1 team that got some bad breaks and now our real potential will be realized? Boy, you could go in any direction from here and that makes it fun and exciting. The possibilities are endless, but what I get really jazzed about is that I think, for the first time this year and for many years, the players believe in their abilities too. I think they feel confident. That's part of the battle... believing that you are good enough. It gives you attitude and confidence and those are both attributes that we have been sorely lacking the past decade. In my opinion, we are in for a hell of a ride for the rest of the season. We win the next two games and it could get really interesting in the NFC North. Fun to think about, hey?
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Love this line.
We are the ultimate trap game for any team feeling good about themselves. We are the team that, even if we don’t win, makes you question how good you think you are.
We are a dangerous animal right now. We are a juvenile delinquent with a loaded handgun. We are Uzbekistan with a nuke.
Hell ya!
Great write Drew!
I’m in the maybe category. I want Staff to be 100% before attempting to play.
If Hill can maintain his level of play, I see no need to rush Staff. As much as we all
love Matt, he’s the FUTURE. Keep that in mind. Maybe, just maybe, 2011 is his future.
It’s up in the air as to whether his progression would be hampered by not playing
much this season. He simply NEEDS to be 100%. Play Hill until he is.
The game in NY will speak volumes.
What a win!!!!!!!! The season is much more of a success than the record shows.
Expectations don't produce!
-I feel the same about Stafford and Hill
Let the guy heal. Don’t rush it.
How about Mayhew’s pick up of Hill for a 7th round pick? Way to go MnM.
Go Lions! I was thrilled today to be able to tell everyone that the Lions kicked another team’s tails! The future looks bright again!
by Kirt-LionFaninGR! on Oct 11, 2010 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions
"We are Uzbekistan with a nuke." LMAO!
Has anyone heard anything about megatrons injury, im not just a lions fan but also a fantasy owner of the best receiver in football and i could barely sleep last night after seeing the boys in blue pull off a dominant victory while our best player sat out the 4th quarter and reportedly compared shoulder pain with stafford on the side lines? Have there been any updates since the game?
It does not get any better then the Mayhem and a bunch of sexy Japanese girls.--- The Voice
by DetroitDrew1980 on Oct 11, 2010 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Schwartz Presser:
Jim just said they are doing tests today, he said “If we had practice today, Calvin probably would not be out there. But today is not Wednesday, and Sunday is a long way off.”
sorry, no link yet. Just listened to it live on the Ticket.
thanks im at work and hoped it would be covered in the presser.
i admire the lions for being more secretive these days concerning injuries, but that dosnt help us fantasy owners! I wouldnt be surprised if he returns after the bye week, but lets see how the tests come back…
It does not get any better then the Mayhem and a bunch of sexy Japanese girls.--- The Voice
by DetroitDrew1980 on Oct 11, 2010 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I laughed at that.
RIP Robyn Bailey 1961 - 2010. I love you mum.
by Hyperion Ecta on Oct 11, 2010 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Really the only thing I could add is a " Hell Yeah."
if the shoe fits...get another one just like it - George Carlin
Goat, and more
I didn’t tape the game so I don’t know who the player is, but our gunner on punts is first to the receiver, but going so fast and out of control he blows right by the guy. I saw this multiple times yesterday. He didn’t cost us the game, but if he just played with more control, some of those 10 to 20 yard returns would only go for 2 yards.
And I know Hill is playing well, but don’t forget that during pre-season, with Stafford in the game, we saw the offense run exactly like yesterday. It took Hill a couple weeks to get it going, but Stafford had it right from the start of pre-season. He’ll be back in and won’t miss a step.
That was Stefan Logan
And while he did miss once or twice, he also made some very nice plays…for example he immediately went down and made a solid open field tackle right after he had just scored on a 105 yard kick return for a TD. Regardless of the fact that he was a bit out of control on a few instances, he is far superior to what we had in his place prior to his signing. I will agree that he can improve, but right now I am certainly not going to complain.
Oh you didn't know?? You're ass better CALLLLLLLL SOMEBODY!!!!!
Stefan Logan, John Wendling, and Spencer Havner have all been amazing at gunning punts
For that matter Dante Wesley is no slouch there either and Zack Follett too. I have actually been very impressed with our coverage unit and think it is easily the best in the NFL.
Ndamukong Suh - Bringing 50's football back to Motown!
I have said it several times
Do not expect Staff to come in and light things up. The games in the preseason when he was most effective, the other team was playing vanilla defense (games one and two). The one game, Number 3 preseason, where it was played as a real game, he struggled mightily.
Temper your Expectations for Staff, he will have to shake off the rust, work on timing with his receivers and then and only then get some damn experience. I would expect the same “growing curve” that we saw with Hill over the last few games, but probably not as fast for Staff. Seriously, he has played less than 11 games in Pro Football.
Say what you want about Hill. He has experience in this league and it is starting to show.
Lions fans deserve better than being the laughing stock of the NFL. Lets all hope they are heading in the right direction finally.
I played a little ball in highschool
and I can tell you. The gunners job is not just to tackle the runner. It is to redirect and slow the runner down allowing your team to collapse on him. If the gunner gets a tackle it is like icing on the cake. That is the reason gunners celebrate when they do get that tackle. This is professional football, one on one, a ball carrier should beat the defender.
Lions fans deserve better than being the laughing stock of the NFL. Lets all hope they are heading in the right direction finally.
I was just about to say that but saw you already did.
I’ll also add that in any level of football, the returner has a huge advantage in that situation. Hard to break down and make a tackle there but if he can redirect the returner to the side we are strong on he’s done his job. A tackle there is just a huge bonus.
LoL well I plyed too but I never got far enough down the field to make any tackles on the kick coverage LOL!
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LMAO
Nice write up Drew….
What makes me feel really good about this win is the fact that the Rams absolutely destroyed the Washington Redskins, beat Seattle, and played 2 very solid games against Oakland and Arizona (which they lost by a combined 6 points). Arizona beat the defending Super Bowl champs yesterday, and Oakland defeated a very good San Diego team. Just like the Lions record is not wholly indicative of how well they have played, I think the Rams could very easily be 4-1 right now, and they have played some good teams. Knowing that, and watching the Lions just plain dismantle the Rams yesterday, gives me a very good feeling about this team. We can beat anyone on our schedule, and that is a fact.
Oh you didn't know?? You're ass better CALLLLLLLL SOMEBODY!!!!!
That really shows...
how topsy-turvy the NFL is this year. The term Any Given Sunday could not be more relevant. I look at the way the Lions have played the last two weeks and I really feel just like you… that we could beat any team in the league if we just don’t beat ourselves.
Agree Drew.
Just a couple weeks ago Giants and Jags fans were talking about canning their coaches, among other players and staff, now they are the toast of the town.
by NorthLeft12 on Oct 11, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions
ON THE POLL>......
I voted unlikely….
My take on Hill’s play; He is allowing Stafford to heal properly.
Plain and simple.
He’s also making the coaches job a hell of a lot easier.
To add...
This game is what I expected. I hope the team gets back to business today, cause the Giants are H-O-T.
The game in the new Meadowland Stadium will be agood tell of how good this team really is.
The Giants will be though
I don’t know if there is a better looking team right now though if the Lions can win it would be major and would shake up the NFC.
Good stuff, and I do have a goat candidate
As much as I love Nate that penalty for kicking the ball into the stands was stupid and not the kind of thing that a winner does. I love the approach that Barry took when scoring. Act like you have been there before and are going to be there again.
I have nothing against a celebration and the Carleton dance from the Phonz was hilarious. But doing anything that gets a penalty and hurts the team is stupid, no matter what the score is. The problem with getting overly excited and taking a penalty like that is that while it may not hurt you in this particular instance, it is a train wreck waiting o happen if it is allowed to go unchallenged. Schwartz handled it beautify at the time it happened. He immediately went to Nate as he headed to the sideline and had a word or two for him, all the while patting him on the helmet. I am sure whatever Schwartz said got the message across without being a buzz kill.
And since I have been critical of the offensive line I have to say that this game was by far their best performance. They were pretty consistent throughout the game and managed to open up running lanes, which is something they have not done consistently to this point.
If this team continues to improve as the year goes then that is a sign of not good coaching but great coaching. We have seen the effects of it on special teams while I think Hill had a great game, my personal game ball would have went to several people. My only on field candidate would have been Stefan Logan, a 105 kick return is a rare thing and it is the spark that quite literally lit a fire under the Lions. There are some things that I think need off field mention.
Danny Crossman: Amazing job in turning around the special teams units, not only on coverage but now on the return game as well. The on side recover and kick return were simply amazing and we have not seen play like this in literally a generation of lions football.
Gunther Cunningham: The old dog is getting a lot out of the young guys. I cannot believe that we are down to playing Spencer Havner, a special teams ace that was not even on the team before 53 man roster cuts happened. The fact that guys like Havner, Ekejiuba, and Palmer are filling in and playing above their special teams label is quite an attribute to Gun. Not to mention that he is getting mileage out of retreads like Jonathan Wade and C. C. Brown. I know those guys are usually goats but the fact that they are not even worse than what we have seen speaks to me about our defensive coordinator.
Scott Linehan: What people fail to realize is that hardly anyone listens to the fans from the team. Guys like Schwartz and Hill intentionally isolate themselves from the media during the season, to avoid the urge to make knee jerk reactions. While all the fans say finally we are getting it to Calvin, the truth is that this was the plan all along. We just did not see it executed on the field until lately.
Jim Schwartz: This guy is a special coach, and while he is not perfect, and I am sure will learn along the way, he is certainly unique and special in a good way. He is a smart coach that balances being a players coach and a hard ass motivator type. The fact that he can be both a players coach and a disciplinarian is pretty rare. On the football IQ side of things, while he may not always go along the lines I want him to I can always see that there is logic behind his decisions and I appreciate that. While he may not get it 100% right all the time, I am more than happy with the process of his coaching.
Martin Mayhew: The mastermind behind it all cannot go without mention. None of this happens without him and he has been brilliant up to this point. While it might be a little early to go ahead and crown him, making the acquisitions he has, has made all of this possible. The minute we cross the 4 win mark, and I am thoroughly convinced we will, Ford needs to extend Mayhews contract. I still stand by my 6 win mark at the beginning of the season, but the real kicker will be when we upset a team that we are not supposed to beat, that may just be the Giants this coming week.
Ndamukong Suh - Bringing 50's football back to Motown!
Schwartz handled it beautify at the time it happened. He immediately went to Nate as he headed to the sideline and had a word or two for him, all the while patting him on the helmet. I am sure whatever Schwartz said got the message across without being a buzz kill.
Read a Quote on this moment. Basically Nate said, Coach did not have to say anything, I apologized before he even got a chance. it was stupid and I got caught up the excitement.
He probably knew as soon as it left his foot.
Lions fans deserve better than being the laughing stock of the NFL. Lets all hope they are heading in the right direction finally.
Nate
It’s hard to know what the NFL will call excessive celebration. Did Nate leave his feet? No. Did Nate use the ball as a prop? No. Did Nate kick the ball in the face of an opposing player? No.Was Nate’s celebration excessive? No (well not in my opinion). Not sure why this was actually flagged. What about players who dunk the ball over the goal post? Do they leave their feet? Yes. Do they use the ball as a prop? Yes (technically they are using the football as a basketball). Those are never called penalties…why should Nate’s be called a penalty. It’s another case of the refs being selective in how they enforce a rule that is written in black and white. The rule makes exceptions for going to the ground in a show of faith and an exception for the Lambeau Leap….which is stupid. Okay, I’ve spoke my mind enough on this. Thank you and have a nice day.
I think it probably falls under the same category as spiking a ball. It flies off and the refs have to go chasing the ball.
MASN Announcer: "Ususally they have what they call here 'the privilege,' and that's what bobby cox calls it when he let's the veteran guys swing away on 3-0. This is not such a hitter."
Jason Heyward: Single up the middle, ballgame.
fuck the Cowgirls
I like seeing them lose. Jerry can eat shit and die. His over hyped team is not going to the superbowl, thank god. Can you imagine the coverage if they were? A noose neck tie is better than hearing about this team.
Lions fans deserve better than being the laughing stock of the NFL. Lets all hope they are heading in the right direction finally.
not a Dallas fan...
I’m just saying that if that call went against us…. I prolly would’ve Broke Something!
15 yards for excessive celebration cause 2 guys jump up for a “chest Bump” and 1 falls down? The refs said it was cause he took the celebration to the Ground.
The NFL needs to SERIOUSLY look at what they are doing here with the NAZI REFS!
I completely agree, it is getting way out of hand.
The Refs have way too much sway to the outcome of a game. Their job is to make the game fair for both teams. Not to trivialize 60 minutes of football on a call that is clearly not intended to be applied so strictly.
That said, Fuck the Cowgirls
Lions fans deserve better than being the laughing stock of the NFL. Lets all hope they are heading in the right direction finally.
That's ridiculous
What’s wrong with a little celebration.
RIP Robyn Bailey 1961 - 2010. I love you mum.
by Hyperion Ecta on Oct 11, 2010 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions
The Dallas penalty was because Witen I think it was, handed the ball to a lineman and he spiked the ball
I guess they have some rule about the non scoring player spiking the ball, still it is stupid crap and it needs to go away. Personally I think the celebrations are funny and should be allowed as long as no props are used. I don’t want to see people out there with cardboard cut outs and crap. They should be able to celebrate in any way they want as long as it does not exceed like 15 seconds or something.
Ndamukong Suh - Bringing 50's football back to Motown!
sorry Smurf, you are wrong.
The penalty was as I described above. Chest bump into Fall down= 15 yards.
http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2010/10/cowboys-will-have-nfl-look-int.html
Also, Witten handing the ball to the OLineman to spike the ball. Is something that he does all the time, It’s kinda his thing.
To explain further, the OLineman, fell to the ground after the “Chest Bump” and rolled over backwards to get up. This “somersault” is what constituted the “Celebration” going to the ground. At least in the “Eyes”? of the NFL Refs.
I really think this is the A#1, Top Shelf, More Serious than a Heart Attack problem with the NFL right now!
I think we all have discussed horrible calls enough this year, but at least Dallas is Making Waves over this.
I see, I was just going on what NFL Network said about it, they lost some street cred with me on that one
Dallas will probably get the rules changed, sine all the NFL really cares about is money and the TV draw in the NFL tends to dictate policy.
Check this out
Say what you will about Brett Favre, he’s ratings gold. The NFL Kickoff Game on Thursday night was the highest rated regular season primetime NFL game in 13 years in the preliminary metered market ratings.
http://tvbythenumbers.com/2010/09/10/tv-ratings-thursday-nfl-kickoff-soars-vampire-diaries-falls-nikita-equals-supernatural/62737
NEW YORK — More than 150 million people have watched at least part of an NFL game this season, the highest number for the first four weeks of any season.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81b1cd6d/article/television-ratings-for-nfl-games-up-through-first-four-weeks
According to Tainsky, whose research was published in the Journal of Sports Economics, since the vast majority of fans watch the games on TV instead of in-person, and with the NFL generating over half of its revenue through TV contracts, TV ratings might actually function as a better proxy for consumer demand in both the home and road teams’ markets.
Since it’s easier for the big-market teams such as Dallas and Chicago to weather the year-to-year swings in their win-loss records, small-market teams need to be even more proactive in courting fans when they’re muddling through a losing campaign.
http://www.redorbit.com/news/sports/1900886/the_factors_that_influence_nfl_tv_ratings/index.html
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literally lit a fire under the Lions.
No. not literally. The players were not char broiled by a kickoff return.
literally a generation of lions football.probably also not literal, as eddie drummond was electrifying the lions special teams less than a generation ago.
Sorry about that. It just gets under my skin when people misuse the word “literally”.
MASN Announcer: "Ususally they have what they call here 'the privilege,' and that's what bobby cox calls it when he let's the veteran guys swing away on 3-0. This is not such a hitter."
Jason Heyward: Single up the middle, ballgame.
Pet peeves
I thought I was the only one who has been holding back from being a grammar fiend.
by Lions-fan-SLC on Oct 11, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
Well you got me, excuse me and pardon my literalness please :)
Eddie Drummond
During the 2004 season, Drummond returned two kickoffs for touchdowns of 99 and 92 yards, and returned two punts for touchdowns in the same game, against the Jacksonville Jaguars. Drummond became injured later in the season and was placed on injured reserve. Drummond was voted into the NFL Pro Bowl in 2004 after returning 2 kicks and 2 punts for touchdowns, although his injury prevented him from playing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eddie_Drummond#Detroit_Lions
So yes true it was 2004 and I seriously doubt a 6 year old had a baby that year. However I was using lions years, you know they are kind of like dog years. Since you have to watch the Lions lose three times as much as any normal team should in one season each year counts as three. Mainly this is due to all of the excess wear and tear a Lions fan takes in watching the horrible losses which tends to cause many gray hairs and stress on ones heart. So technically it was like 18 years ago for us Lions fans.
Ndamukong Suh - Bringing 50's football back to Motown!
How about just for this week
A special teams game ball for Stefan Logan
No Controversy
this IS Stafford’s team. If he had been playing – IMO – this wouldn’t have been the first win of the season. that settles the debate right there.
Look forward to seeing you guys soon
Fantastic win. I felt strongly you’d win but damn, 44-6?
You play to win the game!
by Simms-McConkey on Oct 11, 2010 11:26 AM EDT reply actions
Nice write up Drew.
I guess I am one of the number one critics of our D Line. I did not see a high level of play from them this week either. Not much pressure or hits on Bradford, or shutdown of the run game. Don’t get me wrong they played okay and are much better than our D Lines of the past; can’t think of a line before the Silver Rush that is better. Certainly not one that is deeper. I am hoping that they will get better as a unit as the season progresses.
I am much more enthusiastic about our secondary. I thought their play was key to holding Jackson to short gains, as more than a few times he got through the front seven and looked to be ready to break a long run. The Giants will be a real test for our defence this weekend. They seem to be passing and running very well right now.
No controversy over Hill and Staff in my mind. Hill knows what his job is and I don’t see him creating any problems for the Lions when Staff is ready. Now if the Lions were 4 and 1 there might be an issue.
the lions really do get consistent pressure even if it doesn’t show up as sacks. Bradford was dinking and dunking all day because guys were coming for him fast. I was at the ravens game yesterday and they have one of the best defenses in the league, but in my opinion, their line doesn’t hold a candle to the lions d-line.
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I can't possibly disagree more ....
Our only issue with D-Line is offside penalties and I ain’t buying the line about “acceptable penalties because of aggressiveness” That’s bologna. Our line is one of the best and deepest in the league by far. (did I just say that about ANYTHING Lions?) As far as the front seven is concerned, all I want for Christmas is a mike.
even a healty mike...lol...
Levy’s time to prove himself is running out….. Meanwhile, Gregg Jones’ stock is rising.
I was never really sold on Levy ....
Or Zack for that matter. I was hoping both would prove me wrong. In Mayhew I trust, but I felt those two were holding places until something better came along.
I've been watching...
Follett hasn’t had too many mistakes or mistackles. I expect him to make some noise this year…. or else, I agree… he’s going to get bumped back to mainly a special teamer…. Either way, I have no problem.
Levy REALLY impressed me last year… the speed at which he flowed and made decisions… Then his 2 games at MLB….
But he has to get healthy…. he hasn’t really played this year…. I missed the Vikings game…lol.
Actually I have a bone to pick regarding the D-Line, but it is a coachign issue
I want to know why the hell we have Avril out there getting full body cramps fro-m rushing the passer so many downs, and KVB obviously winded with his hands on his hips not getting good production every down when we fresh, talented, guys sitting on the bench like McBride, Jackson, and Young.
KVB and Avril need to get over themselves and tap out on some freaking plays, not be so damn greedy for the sacks and let a fresh guy come in and take a shot at the QB. Yeah we have a very talented and deep defensive line, but apparently the coaches are too stupid to use that depth to our advantage. Yeah much better to let a guy go into full body cramps from dehydration, yeppers that’s the way to use that bench coach!
Braces for the inevitable avalanche coming.
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I haven't looked at the tape, and I was in a state of euphoria at that point of the game.
But I wouldn’t doubt on some of those instances, they couldn’t sub players.
Late in the game, the Rams are running a hurry up offense, you can’t sub in on every play. And you want your #1’s in on 3rd downs and short yardage situations.
Good point, I can't watch the tape, I accidentally deleted it LoL
It may be there was no opportunity to sub. But I think there still needs to be some sort of rotation. Especially when we had such a big lead, dunno why we didn’t see some back up players sooner in the 4th quarter. Seems like a perfect time to get a pass rush specialist like Willie Young some reps in live action, help him grow, or if nothing else build up his trade value.
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I am wondering what game you were watching NL12
Because I saw Bradford get absolutely pounded yesterday on multiple occasions. We only had 1 sack, but he was hit numerous times and hurried ALL DAY.
Oh you didn't know?? You're ass better CALLLLLLLL SOMEBODY!!!!!
I think you guys are seeing with your hearts and not with your eyes.
I am not just focused on sacks [we had one] but there were not that many hits on Bradford. I would say less than five. That is not good enough against a weak O Line like the Rams. The Giants will be a magnitude better than the Rams.
Like I have said again and again, the Lions have invested a lot of money in this group and they look very good on paper, and I believe they will be an elite group by next year, but they are not there yet.
I have not been able to find anything that says how many hits on the QB there were...
but a poster on the Rams SB Site said two hits, which I think is pretty accurate.
Playing the game back in my mind
I can think of 3-4 QB hits with at least 2 there were just flat out nasty.
Lions fans deserve better than being the laughing stock of the NFL. Lets all hope they are heading in the right direction finally.
Yeah, I think there were more than two...
I think it comes down to the internal quarterback clock. In the past, opposing quarterbacks knew that they could have 4-5 seconds to get rid of the ball. This allows time for plays to develop. This line gives the quarterback 2-3 second max on most plays and it gets that internal clock ticking faster.
Bradford hurried a lot of passes, threw two picks, had balls batted, was hurried a lot of the day and ultimately was forced to take a TON of the underneath stuff because he had no time (real or perceived) to wait for development. That’s the difference.
I would concur we had good pressure even if not sacks, but as I said above we could be doing better than we are here
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I can link 2 different pictures of KVB hitting Bradford.
and he didn’t even have the sack. Can’t always trust the other team’s fan’s Stats.
"Officially"
The Lions were credited with ONE QB hit…and that was by KVB. The sack by JP apparently does not count as a hit. However, there were 8 pass deflections and four or five of them were by the D-line. Also, for some reason I can not find any site that says how many times Bradford was hurried.
I was commenting in the live thread during the game, and I said something every time Bradford got hit. I recall at least 3 instances, not including the sack, where I saw Bradford get absolutely crushed after he let go of the ball. Plus, I dare say it was blatantly obvious that the Lions hurried him all day long, as he made bad decisions and threw a ton of forced passes for incompletions. I don’t care what anybody says…the D-line was getting good pressure on Bradford. If there was no pressure, he would not have thrown the 2 INTs and he would not have barely gotten over 50% completions.
You can’t tell me it was all drops, you can’t tell me Bradford just had a bad day, and you definitely can’t tell me that our secondary was the main reason for Bradford’s lack of success. The defensive line created consistent pressure, they hurried, hit, sacked, and got in the face of Sam Bradford ALL DAY long, and our secondary benefited from Bradford’s hurried throws and bad decisions…period. There is just no other logical explanation, and that is point blank. And the notion that the secondary was the reason we held Jackson to short gains is easily debunked as well.
In terms of TOTAL tackles the front 7 had 36 (solo and assists) vs the secondary’s 33 (solo and assists). The front 7 recorded 22 solo tackles vs the secondary’s 20. Breaking it down even further, in all reality it was the linebackers (namely Julian Peterson) who were mainly responsible for stopping Steven Jackson from making long runs, with 13 solo tackles. True, the secondary (CB and S) had more solo tackles (20) than the linebackers, but you have to keep in mind that Sam Bradford DID complete 23 passes, and as such a majority of those solo tackles were against WRs and not Jackson. I contend that the majority of the 22 solo tackles by the front 7 was on Jackson, and that they stopped him at least twice as many times as the seondary did. Yes, the secondary helped keep S-Jax is check, but they certainly were not KEY to holding him to short gains.
Oh you didn't know?? You're ass better CALLLLLLLL SOMEBODY!!!!!
+1 on the pass deflections
I am still in shock from Ndamukong Suh deflecting a ball on the the line, being the first to get to the deflected pass, intercepting it, and using the next 20 yards as a stage for his Stefan Logan impersonation. Corey Williams forced a fumble, I remember seeing Turk Mcbride in on a tackle for loss, and Cliff Avril was chasing Sam out of the pocket all day.
by Admiral Ackbar on Oct 12, 2010 3:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Cliff did play well, although he did not get a good hit on Bradford.
He hit his arm on one incompletion [a great hustle play by Avril] and he chased him out of the pocket on the one sack, which got credited to JP.
The sack on Bradford did not involve any contact.
Bradford ran out of bounds, without being touched, for a two yard loss. Peterson was the closest Lion, so he got the sack.
Well, I guess there is no reason to argue this as you have determined that the only possible reason for Bradford having a bad day was the pressure from our all powerful D Line. The fact that Bradford is a rookie, playing on the road for only the second time in his career, with a bunch of free agent receivers could not possibly have a bearing on his performance.
The great thing about wins like this
Is it gets you so fired up to see the next game.
We can beat the Giants, We can beat the Giants, We can beat the Giants!
And if we beat the giants I can’t imagine the write up. It will be akin to an electronic orgasm
Damn Sunday is a too far away
I think Hill would have to go like 5 TDs and no Ints @ NYG to keep the job after Staff is healthy
Something ridiculous like that. Not impossible, but highly unlikely.
by WestsideLionsFan on Oct 11, 2010 12:42 PM EDT reply actions
That should not matter.......Schwartz and Mayhew don't make short term decisions like that.
We will be 2 and 4 under your scenario, pretty much all of that with Hill under center [Staff left him a one point lead in the Chicago game]. If Staff is ready, he will play.
I'm just saying, we lose nothing by letting Hill play while he's hot
Stafford will still be there when he cools off, and he can learn more in the meantime. He’s only 22 or 23.
by WestsideLionsFan on Oct 11, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions
We do, though.
We lose development time for Stafford. Look, the reality is that the team around him is getting good quickly and he is the central cog to this whole thing. He has to grow at the same rate and his surrounding pieces or it all falls apart. I’d rather see Stafford struggle a little and it make for a better future than to see a limited Shaun Hill play for a few more games because he’s hot. Hill is not a long term solution, so why would he play beyond Stafford’s injury?
I agree with you that it should be Stafford
I’m just saying hypothetically if Hill puts up 5 TDs and no Ints against the Giants, they may give him a shot against Washington after the bye.
Realistically, Hill will play like Hill and Stafford will start week 7
by WestsideLionsFan on Oct 11, 2010 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I liked Hill and the play calling
I really enjoy seeing Hill in a comfortable role in the offense. Mind you, I want Stafford back, but Hill has impressed and you cant ask for a better backup. It makes me feel good that we have a depth at that position. he is comfortable in the pocket, can take a hit and keep going, and has good placement to throw it up to CJ or the TE’s without the anxiety of the INT. more importantly, the i like the play calling on O. before the blowout, the game plan looked scripted to throw a long ball or two to open up the running game. we had the edge on that early on, and i think if the game was close, that kind of play calling would have kept it in the lions favor.
The INT had been a problem for him in the first 3 games
Especially in the red zone. He seems to have gotten over that for now, but the Rams safety did drop an easy pick in the first half.
by WestsideLionsFan on Oct 11, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions
weaknesses are less.. CB starters are locked now…. We need a S, LB … Top two draft spots for 2011 or best available… not looking forward to next year but it is a thought
GO LIONS in 2010! They are better than you think... You better not overlook these boys.. They are about to take control. So close!!!
I see the Rams fans are coting to sit stafford LOL
GET WELL SOON MATT! We need ya man
Me fail english thats umpossible
Voting....maybe I need to slow down typing haha
GET WELL SOON MATT! We need ya man
Me fail english thats umpossible
by The Profiler on Oct 11, 2010 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Sitting Stafford ...
would be a huge mistake. I’ve been watching the kid since he started at OU. If Staff is the next Favre, Sammie is the next Payton. Very cerebral, very accurate. Awesome game management. Sam just has nobody to throw to.
It’s way too early to know how good either Stafford or Bradshaw are gonna be but it’s not too early to recognize that both have the skills and potential to become great. It’s Matt’s job when he regains his health no question and hopefully his potential will be realized. That being said, up until this week a lot of vitriol had been directed towards Hill but I can’t think of another backup qb in the league I would rather have. Look at Cinci. Palmer has been less than stellar but who would you replace him with if you were Marvin Lewis.
J P
I misjudged you, Drew!
I apologize about what I said about you being negative. This is a great post and probably sums up my thoughts as well as anyone could put it(including me). I, too, am excited for this team and with all the injuries, i.e.; GB- Matthews, Rodgers; Phil.- Vick (Kolb is really NOT going to take this team to the playoffs!) and the fact that several teams seem to be playing at only a .500 clip, the Lions are really only a win or two away from being in the hunt for a wildcard; that is, if they continue with their progress and CJ is not out for any length of time. I can’t even imagine what it would do for the psyche of this team to beat N.Y. next week(they-Giants, are 7+ favorites)! Who knows what will happen(as you said). One thing I DO AGREE with wholeheartedly as a long time fan, THIS IS NOT THE SAME OLD LIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sir Ronbomb
Hola Lions fans!
I’m sure we’ll get some back and forth talk this week, but just wanted to say I’m looking forward to this game, should be a good one.
The Giants fans with a clue aren’t looking past this game at all, the Lions have been playing well despite their record.
Is there any chance Stafford plays this week?
Winning cures all...even stupid
Very very doubtful
I think we’re just waiting for after the bye week. More R&R for him to be completely healthy for Washington
I had an ant farm once, but them fellas didn't grow shit
none
in my opinion. It makes no sense to put him out there now. The bye week is next week and hill is playing well right now. No need to hurry him back.
I am hoping for a great game too. No injuries for either team.
Lions fans deserve better than being the laughing stock of the NFL. Lets all hope they are heading in the right direction finally.
It should be a good game!
I’m really interested in how we stack up against the Giants.
by coolbreeze42 on Oct 11, 2010 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Hey, What's up FreeBradshaw?
Good to see you back. I think it’s going to be a tough game for us, but I really do think that we can win it. I doubt Stafford comes back, but Hill is playing pretty well right now.
Very unlikely
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by Hyperion Ecta on Oct 11, 2010 8:13 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Hill is a great option as we ease Stafford back into the starting position.
It sure is nice having a good backup QB!
i voted for "there will be some but stafford is the guy" or how ever you worded it
there was contervesty after the browns game.. there will all ways be some untill he gets us our SB win..
now i think he he the right guy no questen asked… but just b/c i do dosent mean bill joe dosent
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I voted "No way in hell"
I don’t think you develope your franchise player on the bench if healthy. Yesterday was a good win and we need more of them but this year isn’t the year to make a run at the playoffs with a healthy Stafford on the bench. It wasn’t his preseason stats that impressed me but the way he throws the ball and how quick he makes a decision and gets the ball there. Now with the line improving Stafford will develope even more quickly to Elite status (or not) but you have to put him in there no matter what if healthy.
Great recap
Mondays don’t suck after a Lions win.
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Pride of Detroits village idiot
It's nice to see a Monday morning post that's nearly all positive
Very refreshing for us as a community. As for the poll, I voted unlikely, Stafford is the starter here. Also, I like that you mentioned that Stafford may struggle in his first couple of games back, since I was expecting it. Stafford is not gonna play lights out straight away (or at least I doubt it). He’s gonna need time to shake off the rust.
Great post Drew.
RIP Robyn Bailey 1961 - 2010. I love you mum.
a few contemplations some serious some... not
One of the things that Schwartz brought with him to this team and is reflected in his players, is that even if you do beat us, we will make you sore a long time after the game has been played. Even last year opponents were hurting the next sunday because we kept coming at them play after play. Now with the improvements from last to this year we are able to make them hurt even more. Also, we have been able to keep the ball longer on offense and regardless of this, the defense has way better stamina than years past. I wish Bennie Blades and the Junkyard Dog coulda played during this era of Lions ball, the defense would be ridiculous.
Hitting on the topic. Schwartz has to put in the guy thats gonna win it for us in that particular game. I believe it’s pretty much his line of thinking anyway. If Hill tears it up from here on he won’t think twice about keeping Stafford out. Stafford is our future he is under contract for what at least 3 more years past this season? Wanna talk about getting experience making the playoffs this year would be invaluable even with being on the sidelines. It’s just like Scwartz has said already, Hill is a quarterback that can come in and play without any adjustments to schemes or playscalling. Can’t fault fate for Hill being in the right spot at the right time to bring some memorable moments to some beat down fans. He’s the prototypical guy to do it.
Which leads me to my less serious observation. Anybody else look at photos of both Shaun Hill and Bobby Layne side-by-side and seen a resemblance? They definitely throw the ball the same way (dying ducks) and seem to be pudgey and more the hometown favorite type than the chiseled super athlete. Could be the second coming…..
I admire your enthusiasm, but the Lions making the playoffs this year with Hill at QB is wishful thinking.
There is no way that the Lions won’t put Staff back in if they think he is ready. No.Way.
If Hill had the Lions at 4 and 1 right now it might be a different story, but at 1 and 4? Not a hope.
Scott MitchHill
He looks just like Scott Mitchell, throws like layne, and scrambles like Mike McMahon. LOL
by Admiral Ackbar on Oct 12, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Mostly making some fun
I think the pudgey part and the throwing style were my main comparisons. We just happen to have a starting qb from his old high school and a backup qb that is pudgey and throws like him. I do hope that Stafford is taking lots of notes and he isn’t a walking medical case. There have been plenty of great talents that just can’t stay healthy enough to make a lasting mark on a sport. I also want to see what people are saying when Hill helps put up Detroit’s second win this weekend. Nobody is gonna see straight when we have 2 wins after only 6 games.
I don't think you guys have a controversy, honestly
To me, an outsider looking in, it seems that Shaun Hill gives the Lions the best chance to win right now. Stafford IS the future and will no doubt be a top 5 quarterback in this league one day, however at this point in time it seems that Hill is the man that will win games for the Lions this season. Let Stafford heal up, let him sit behind Hill this season and watch and learn from him. Then next year Stafford will be the man and light it up. Now if Hill starts sucking, and Stafford is ready to play then by all means play him, but i don’t see any reason for Hill not to be the starter for this season.
Though this is not comming from a Lions fan.. Just an observer.
A dozen for Devin baby
We had a long, loud, and expletive filled discussion about this strategy last season.
Mayhew and Schwartz went with Stafford. Hill is the back up, and will be the back up again when Staff is healthy.
Really, this sitting and learning stuff is nonsense. Staff has all the tools to be our franchise QB. He needs the playing experience with that offence. Experience he won’t get standing on the sidelines.
by NorthLeft12 on Oct 12, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Rogers sat for how many years
and now he is one of the better QBs in the league. Saying watching while another QB plays well is not going to teach you anything is ignorant.
Lions fans deserve better than being the laughing stock of the NFL. Lets all hope they are heading in the right direction finally.
Leinert also sat
one example and venom will not win you an argument
by redwingxviii on Oct 12, 2010 3:14 PM EDT up reply actions
Let's not start this again
We wasted months of discussion on it…
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by Hyperion Ecta on Oct 12, 2010 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions
Well really, it don't matter, the decision is not ours and after the bye all will become transparent
Personally I could care less I will support whatever move the coaches make.
Ndamukong Suh - Bringing 50's football back to Motown!
you have no chance of being correct
i think you’re trying to write a bold, clever article. but you have no chance of being correct. stafford will start in week 8.
by redwingxviii on Oct 12, 2010 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions
No, not trying to be clever at all.
Just like i said. From what i have observed Hill ha splayed better in his starts than Stafford had played in his. Therefore from my stand point i could see hill starting for the Lions.
Just because someone uses complete thoughts does not mean they are trying to be clever
A dozen for Devin baby
by suckmyditka on Oct 12, 2010 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions
well the lions coaching staff won't agree with you
so it’s nice that you have come to visit to make your suggestion, but it has no basis, is not well thought out (even if it is a complete though) and no reasonable mind is going to agree with you.
here are some of my thoughts:
i could also see todd collins playing instead of cutler. he did win last week (just like Hill)
i could also see the cubs winning the world series next year.
i could see the bears being the worst 4-1 team of all-time and missing the playoffs
by redwingxviii on Oct 12, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
sarcasm and venom will not win an arguement
You wanna know the truth, Hill is a better QB than Stafford right now. Stafford has much more upside but Hill has a ton more experience and it IS showing.
Lions fans deserve better than being the laughing stock of the NFL. Lets all hope they are heading in the right direction finally.
even if that were true
we’ll start stafford in week 8.
by redwingxviii on Oct 12, 2010 3:02 PM EDT up reply actions
it is true
You think Stafford is going to come in week 8 and carve up NFL defenses? With his 10.5 games of pro football experience.
Lions fans deserve better than being the laughing stock of the NFL. Lets all hope they are heading in the right direction finally.
i'm not saying stafford will carve up NFL defenses
i’m saying he will start.
by redwingxviii on Oct 12, 2010 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions
While Hill being better right now is debatable, even if it is true, we all know that the Lions coaching staff plays for the future not just for today, Stafford will be the starter when healthy.
Also I have heard Linehan say that Hill cannot make all the throws Stafford can. In fact I think Stafford out talents hill in just about every category right now. About the only thing Staff needs to work on is his pocket presence, and that is something that I think will be learned better in game than on the sidelines.
Ndamukong Suh - Bringing 50's football back to Motown!
you must watch football evilsmurf
unlike suckmyditka
by redwingxviii on Oct 13, 2010 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions
nah it's just a case of "trying to be smart on the internet"
drewslions is ok to ask the question – it’s mostly due to incessant giddiness. yeah, hill played well this week. oh well.
but to say “i could see [something that won’t happen]” is just an attempt to look smart.
step 1) say something that is “unique” but unlikely
step 2) wait to see if it happens
step 3) if it happens – OMG I AM SO SMART
step 4) if it doesn’t – stay on the bears site and watch that team crash and burn
i hate chicago
by redwingxviii on Oct 12, 2010 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice.
Typical.
Fight an actual opinion and a statement made from what i have seen from observing the Lions from the outside, with personal attacks.
Come on over to WCG anytime you want. We would have fun with someone like you.
A dozen for Devin baby
dumb opinions are worth less than smart opinions
you’ve been punched too many times in the head.
“The Lions don’t have a controversy because shaun hill is so fucking good – they should just bench Stafford for a while”
this is as retarded as your handle.
by redwingxviii on Oct 12, 2010 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
i'm sorry i must have been mistaken
I thought this was a “blog”
I must be wrong, because on blogs people post their opinions (no matter how “stupid” or “dumb” an intelligent human like yourself may think they are) about a thread.
I must have been sadly mistaken.
Have fun being on the wrong side of 6-10 my friend =]
A dozen for Devin baby
i'm glad you realize that 8>1
are the bears better than the lions this year? probably.
are either of us winning the super bowl? no.
hopefully there’s football next year, because the lions have a chance to be better than the bears next year. ESPECIALLY if we start this stud backup QB named Shaun Hill
by redwingxviii on Oct 12, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
you aren't
but that’s ok. this is a blog and it’s ok to be stupid.
by redwingxviii on Oct 12, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions
Ahh ok
I was begining to wonder why PoD lets you post.. Now i know. Thanks for clarifying
A dozen for Devin baby
i'll also avoid telling WCG how great i think todd collins is, or that i think chester taylor should get more carries
i wouldn’t want WCG fans to think that PoD fans are fucking stupid
by redwingxviii on Oct 12, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
you're the one suggesting the lions shouldn't play staff when he's healthy
nobody agrees with you
oh sorry, 4% of the 1932 votes.
maybe the 96% of us are wrong, “suckmyditka”
by redwingxviii on Oct 12, 2010 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
the rest of the lions...
The talent level of Matt Stafford has never been in doubt, but, at long last, the talent level of the rest of the lions maybe ready to catch up, especially where the defense is concerned. The secondary is coached up, to use a phrase, linebackers have shown they don’t necessarily have to stop the run, just mitigate the scoring opportunities. The improvement in special teams however is the single most important factor in the play of this years lions. For example, instead of running sideways or backwards, this group is moving the ball past the 20, consistently, giving our offense a 65 yard field, that extra 15 yards is a huge improvement and probably accounts for the entirety of the point differential increase from last year. Oh…sweet economics…you never fail to make my life better. The data will tell you the truth, and the truth will set you free.
I'm happy with either playing qb
It’s not like these or anyones posts change who plays and who doesn’t. As a lifelong Detroit Lions fan my expertise with personnel is mainly with recognizing qb’s that suck. I’ve seen most every kind come through sitting from this vantage point. I’ve seen short interception machines like Dave Krieg. I’ve been fooled by physical potential like Scott Mitchell who knew exactly how to kill a drive without a moments hesitation. I’ve even seen a first round qb wait on the sidelines most of his career (ala Andre Ware) only to be used as the 3rd string qb when games didn’t matter or they were out of the playoff hunt. I’ve seen great college pedigree, scrappy tough guy, and just plain mediocre and everything in between. Most times these poor dudes had some of the worst offensive lines in the league. The only truths that are apparent to me are these:
- Both our starter and backup can lead this team to many victories
- Our offensive line, although not perfect is the best we have had in a long long time.
- Jim Schwartz will put on the field the guy that can win the game that lays before him.

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