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Why I think we will SEE #9 on the Field Vs. the Giants

There has been alot of discussion on whether or not Stafford will play this week against the Giants.

I have made a couple comments in the last day or two, stating how people will be suprised when #9 comes out of the tunnel in NY dressed and ready to play. (yeah joshsun, I saw that you took note...)

Let me take this opportunity to explain the reasoning behind this.

 

We all know that Schwartz fancies himself as a Mysterious Injury Ninja. And the Giants have taken the bait, hook line and sinker, Tuck was quoted this week saying that they have prepared for Hill, Exclusively and that they expect him to start. BUT, Stafford is listed as "Questionable" this week, not "Doubtful", not "Out", like previous weeks, but "Questionable".

The way Injury reports are reported, players are listed as follows.

Probable = 75% chance to play

Questionable = 50% chance to play

Doubtful = 25% chance to play

Out = 0% chance to play

 

Now let's look at Schwartz's track record with the Injury report so far this year.  I will list the players listed as "Questionable"  (50%) each week so far, and whether or not they actually played.

(I couldn't find a Injury report for week one, just an Inactive list. so I did not include the fist game.)

 

WEEK 2 VS. PHI.

Delmas--> Played

Levy--> Did not Play

WEEK 3 VS. MINN.

Levy--> Played

L. Johnson--> Did not Play

Avril--> Played

Peterman--> Played

WEEK 4 VS. GB.

Sammie Hill--> Played

Jahvid "the" Best--> Played

WEEK 5 VS. STL.

Best--> Played

Scheffler--> Played

C.C. Brown--> Played

 

So in "Schwartz Speak".... Questionable on the Injury report, means you got an 82% chance of Playing, not 50%.

And I believe this is the culmination of his master plan in regards to the Stafford Injury. 

I'm Not scared of the Giants DLine, they looked good against the Bears, but so did we. They pulled out a close win over Chicago, AND WE DID AS WELL.

It took Shaun Hill the Philly game, and the Minn game to get this offense clicking on all cylinders against GB and STL. Stafford had it Purring like a '67 Mustang in the first half of the Chicago game. I want to thank Shaun for the win against STL, and the job he has done this year. He has earned the admiration of the fans as a Solid #2. and a pair of HeadPhones, have a seat bud.

Get your #9 jerseys pressed and ready Gentlemen, cause I'm Puttin' Stafford In the Game!

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fm-nEi-unSQ&feature=grec_index

 

(P.S. Calvin is also listed as "Questionable")

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Hey, I trust the coaching staff...

We all know that Stafford won’t be out there if he’s only 85%…. so…

Here’s to STafford playing!

by CLF on Oct 16, 2010 7:47 AM EDT reply actions  

I hope you are wrong...

I would rather lose this game than possibly shelve our franchise QB for the season… or worse.

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by CapitolLions on Oct 16, 2010 7:49 AM EDT reply actions  

The Press does not see ALL the practice time.

Just cause it hasn’t been reported doesn’t mean he has not taken Reps.

I agree, If he is not Healthy, don’t play him…. but maybe he is?

by j16941 on Oct 16, 2010 8:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

Honestly...

I don’t want to take that chance, at this time, vs that line… Unless he is 100% and I doubt that.

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by CapitolLions on Oct 16, 2010 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

agreed

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by lionsfan_772 on Oct 16, 2010 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not only that, but I think Hill gives us the best chance to win this game

NY’s D is for real. Stafford hasn’t played since week 1, he’s going to be rusty. Hill has been playing great recently and been practicing all week for this game. I think we have to go with Hill and hold off on Stafford until the Washington game after the bye.

by WestsideLionsFan on Oct 16, 2010 8:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

my point, is why put him on the 45 man active roster? If you're not gonna play him.

Do you EVER think Stafford is gonna be the 3rd string QB?

What is the point of that, especially if he is not 100%, they are gonna have him there… in case both Hill and Stanton go down? then bring in the 85% Stafford that we just wanted to dress this week?..!?

They would put Derrick Williams out there before that!

If Stafford is Dressing, Stafford is Playing!

by j16941 on Oct 16, 2010 8:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

I am almost positive that it's only QB.

Let me clarify….QB’s can be on the 53 and play but only due to injury to the #1 and #2 QB……He just couldn’t go in on a whim.

by delusional on Oct 16, 2010 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions  

You are correct

The No. 3 QB simply can’t play any other position.

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by Sean Yuille on Oct 16, 2010 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

Possibly play him after the bye week if he’s 100%. I don’t want to risk our franchise quarterback if he’s not 100%.

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by LionRoss on Oct 16, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Before reading this article I was pretty sure it wouldd be Hill, like 100%

And now I am still about 70% sure it will be Hill. you bring up some good points though and if Stafford does start I will probably be more tolerant of his Jedi mind trick crap in the future, because with a Stafford start it most certainly would catch the Giants off guard. Not that I think it changes their game plan all that much IMO. At this point a Stafford start would swing my prediction form a win to a loss.

Players who have been injured and not practiced for a long time tend to have rust. I believe a healthy but unpracticed Stafford at this point is a worse option in terms of a win that Hill. IMO even if Stafford is fully healthy I would wait a week and let him reintegrate into the offense through the bye week. Hill has his timing down, the chemistry is there. I know it will come back fast with Stafford but I am not sure that it will be there all game like it is with Hill. I am not sure you can give Stafford a quarter or half to get in sync again, since he has taken no snaps at practice, and have it not cost you a win.

One thing is for sure. If Stafford starts and gets injured, or we lose, Schwartz is going to take heat for it. Playing Hill is the smart and safe play in a lot of ways and it is what I would be doing if I was the coach.

The one exception is if Calvin is healthy. If Calvin and Staff are both 100% healthy I might take the gamble on starting Stafford. Mainly because those two have great chemistry in the deep game and I would much rather have Stafford making the 30+ yard throws than Hill. So I can see it being there as a possibility. So in my eyes, if Stafford is playing, it would be a sign that Calvin is likely 100%. Neither of those would really surprise me.

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by Evilsmurf on Oct 16, 2010 8:50 AM EDT reply actions  

thanks for the 30% bump Smurf, I'll take that as a compliment.

We have never heard the degree of Stafford’s Injury, in the begining it was reported as 2-8 weeks, Hill fit the game plan against the Rams last week. But Stafford will win this game for us!

by j16941 on Oct 16, 2010 9:00 AM EDT up reply actions  

j, From what I remember of the first half at Chicago, I don't think our offence was all that impressive.

83 yards passing? No running attack either. We did have 14 points though. I’ll give him that.

by NorthLeft12 on Oct 16, 2010 9:07 AM EDT reply actions  

we played well in the first half...

especially when you look back and realize the Bears actually have a decent defense this year. Plus, it was Best’s first game in the pros. Stafford looked great, he was taking what the d was giving him and playing it smart but not overly conservative.

by lions_sucker on Oct 16, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

E I G H T Y T H R E E Y A R D S passing.......

In the first half. Sorry, that just will not get it done week in and week out. Staff is our QB, but he did not do much in that first half.

by NorthLeft12 on Oct 16, 2010 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

in one half...

he threw 0 ints and was 11/15. Up to the drive where he got injured, the Lions were up 14-3, so no need to go deep or to take chances. The play calling was conservative, but Stafford was taking what the Bears were giving. 83 yards may not get it done, but 14-3 does.

by lions_sucker on Oct 16, 2010 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

it was also

the 1st half of the 1st game of the season… i never expect anyone to tear it up in week 1

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by lionsfan_772 on Oct 16, 2010 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Matthew was 11 of 15 for 83 yards

against the #6 defense in the NFL. And a few of those drives started inside the Lions own 10. Play calling trends to get conservative.

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by JCruize on Oct 16, 2010 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

JC I don't think he played terrible, but....

..guys are talking like he had the offence racing up and down the field. The Lions converted two turnovers into touchdowns. A 42 yard drive and a 60 yard drive. They had one first down in the four other drives. Come on, let’s be honest with ourselves.

by NorthLeft12 on Oct 17, 2010 6:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

gotcha

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by JCruize on Oct 17, 2010 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Matthew Stafford

I really hope this doesn’t happen, the thought of Tuck and Osi coming at Stafford’s still sore shoulder will end up quite bad.

by Detroitsportsfan3 on Oct 16, 2010 9:25 AM EDT reply actions  

they lost to the Titans (Schwartz old team)

who have a worse O-Line.

the Giants are not, the consistent NFC power that people are calling them.

how short your memory is (3 weeks)

by j16941 on Oct 16, 2010 9:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

thank you...

Don’t get me wrong, I think they have played some top notch quality football the past two weeks, but I also think the Texans and Bears played their worst games of the season, and not because of New York. I think if the Lions can exploit the Giants linebackers and take a lead early to force New York to be one-dimensional, we can shut Eli down and in turn win the game.

by lions_sucker on Oct 16, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nice analysis

But this is one of those cases were you can throw the 82% out. He is hoping that the Giants no matter what they say will plan some for #9. The only way he plays is if both Hill and Stanton go down. Based on the Giants DL play lately that could make it a 25% that Staff plays.

by toledogolf on Oct 16, 2010 10:19 AM EDT reply actions  

Jedi mind tricks

Good write up, neat way to look at it. As for the Jedi Master, start Hill and Calvin on 2nd and short throws deep to Calvin high and outside uncatchable. Calvin does not get hit and N.Y. has to think about him all game long. Up bye 2 scores late he puts Matt in to handoff and throws a couple of screen passes and walks off the field holding his shoulder shaking his head. Now Washington has to think about it for two weeks. That would be funny.

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by lionsfan64 on Oct 16, 2010 10:19 AM EDT reply actions  

To play or not to play

First I want to say I really appreciate the work j16941 did in researching this piece. It definately makes for a good conversation. That being said I would like to offer my opinion on the matter.

Listing Stafford as questionable and having him throw in practice make the Giants have to look at 2 sets of film and prepare for two guys versus one. That’s a good move by the coaching staff if they don’t plan on playing him.

Let’s say that he is ready to go. Do you think Swartz didn’t see the Bears / Giants footage? We have our franchise QB coming of a serious injury and your going to subject him to that kind of pounding? Now obviously our line is better than the Bears and Mike Martz is in Chicago, but Staffords going to get decked if he plays.

If he’s 80% to 95% with the way Hill is playing why wouldn’t give him two more weeks to heal? If Schwarts starts him, he get decked and is out for the rest of the season it will be one of the worst moves a coach could make. How many of us are already wondering if Matty’s shoulder might be doing better if Schwartz had not played him in several games last year when he was hurt?

Maybe the question we all have is do we have another injury prone player? I want to see if he can play out the rest of the season once he is healthy. There are no guarentees in the NFL, (the Pepper’s hit would have put out most QBs.) My biggest fear is Matty trying to rifle a pass into a receiver and hurting the shoulder in the process.

I hope that j16941 is wrong and that Matty sits this one out and we see him play in weeks 9-16. GO LIONS.

by Kirt-LionFaninGR! on Oct 16, 2010 10:20 AM EDT reply actions  

I want to interject one point....

because I consistently see this comment from Lions fans… the Giants WILL NOT do what they did to the Bears against the Lions. They have a great defensive line, but they will not get to Hill/Stafford 10 times. That Bears debacle was all about their own mistakes in playcalling and Cutler not playing within the Martz system. If you hold the ball longer than 2 second or past your second read, you are sacked. C’mon guys… we know this first hand from watching Kitna get his ass kicked for two seasons.

Plus… we have a much better offensive line and much better underneath options that the Bears. I don’t what anyone says, I think we match up better than most realize. Giants want to come at us hard? Go ahead. We’’ll either attack that weakened secondary deep or it will be three steps drops and dump-offs to Best, Pettigrew and Scheffler all the way to the endzone. Don’t be afraid to think this offense has a GREAT chance to be good against the Giants. They have confidence and the Giants D is good, but overrated somewhat due to the Chicago game. Again… Chicago beat themselves in that one.

As for your original post j16941… good stuff. If Stafford is good, play him. If he’s less than 95%, sit him and play Hill. It’s really a good situation either way. This whole “Stafford shouldn’t play because the Giants will beat him to a pulp” thing is nuts. If he’s ready, he’s the better quarterback AND STARTER and should play. We can’t treat the guy like he’s made of glass if he’s going to be our future. Put him out there and let him take a shot to knock the rust off. I have confidence in both quarterbacks, but I do think it will be Hill for one more week. What I’m happy about is that I was starting to get worried that he would be out past the bye week. It looks like there is no doubt that Stafford is under center against the Redskins… which is great news!

by DrewsLions on Oct 16, 2010 10:41 AM EDT reply actions  

I think we have a solid chance

with either QB.

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by FMFDOC8404 on Oct 16, 2010 11:51 AM EDT up reply actions  

That Bears debacle was all about their own mistakes in playcalling and Cutler not playing within the Martz system

Doesn’t the Martz system consist of 7-step drops? I think the system was at fault there, and that system does NOT fit a team with a shitty o-line. See: Detroit Lions

by Nate D. on Oct 16, 2010 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well yeah... that's my point.

If you have to take seven steps and let the play develop downfield and only have five blockers, you are in trouble. Then you couple that with a weak o-line and a quarterback that can’t think quick enough to get rid of the ball when he has to and it leads to a pounding. My overall point is that the Giants defense WILL NOT do that to us. We may not win, but they will not sack Hill more than once or twice.

by DrewsLions on Oct 16, 2010 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

That Martz System did not use 7 step drops all that much though

It was a lot like their game against us, 3-5 step drops, mostly 3. Guys were open, Cutler just didn’t throw to them.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d81b0d4e9/GameDay-Bears-vs-Giants-highlights

0:20 mark, Cutlers throws an int here, if you look he has a guy open to the right middle but instead throws to the guy to the left that has two defenders on him.

0:40 mark, Mooch comments on how the Bears were max protecting all night but Cutler was just holding on to the ball too long.

1:11mark you see cutler has a guy open to the left flat and under the middle, but he takes the sack.

If you watch the rest of it it gives you an idea of how good the Giants running game is, just remember how hard it was for us to run on them. You also get to see some of their passing game. The best part though for the Lions is seeing how Bradshaw fumbles going into the end zone. I am pretty confident we can get a fumble or two out of him.

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by Evilsmurf on Oct 17, 2010 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

I say absolutely start him if he can throw the ball.

He is the quintessential “franchise” quarterback for this team. If Schwartz is indeed playing mind games with the media and the Giants, then that might mean that Stafford actually does have a shot at playing on Sunday. You can’t keep your starting quarterback out of the game, before a bye week even, because you are afraid of the opposition’s defense hurting him. Who’s to say that he won’t get hurt again when he does come back and plays against the Redskins? It’s not a gamble, in my opinion, if he can throw the damn ball, then let him play. The media is only allowed to see a portion of team practices and who knows, maybe Stafford has been ok for awhile now and Schwartz is being coy about his injury. We really don’t know, but what I do know is that if Stafford was 100% with a doubt not able to play Sunday, Schwartz would’ve already named Hill the starter, just like the last 4 weeks. Stafford is close to starting, I’m sure he can throw the ball farther than Hill even at this point, and I wouldn’t be surprised one bit to see Stafford out there in New York.

Schwartz is such a smart coach, and gameplans so well against the opposition, I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s been planning on doing this since he’s known Stafford’s been able to play. He is secretive about everything.

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by DLions4Eva on Oct 16, 2010 11:03 AM EDT reply actions  

You can't look at a guy like Jim

A guy who will stare down reporters with a deadpan expression and go, “Calvin Johnson has a shoulder.” “Stafford is a quarterback.” “We played football today.” and not recognize that Schwartz is one megalomaniac genius.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Stafford has been doing reps for a while now — with the way he clicks with his offense as it is, I’m sure it wouldn’t take much to get back to speed. Especially when he’s watching Hill’s every move both in practice and in play.

Heck, I wouldn’t be surprised if Megatron “fell hard” against the Rams, did some routes, and some “light catches” in some practices, and has really been 100% the whole time.

by Mavyrk on Oct 16, 2010 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like your first point

Definitely true. Schwartz definitely has a knack for saying absolutely nothing and not being called on it

by Nate D. on Oct 17, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

Damn-It!!!

I spilled kool-aid on my white T. Thank

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by FMFDOC8404 on Oct 16, 2010 11:47 AM EDT reply actions  

God for tide pens.

If you can't spell practise write, then dont repond!

by FMFDOC8404 on Oct 16, 2010 11:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

I honestly think Schwartz is just f-ing with the Giants

Stafford hasn’t taken any reps as the starter, and he practiced only one day. Unless the Lions are holding secret workouts with Stafford to install the game plan, it makes zero sense for him to start.

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by Sean Yuille on Oct 16, 2010 11:48 AM EDT reply actions  

I have to agree

I think the mind games are the opposite of your theory. Schwartz knows there’s no chance of Stafford playing, but threw him on the injury report as Questionable (and I’m willing to be he’ll be the #3 QB as well) to have that creep in the mind of Coughlin and the Giants D.

by simscity on Oct 16, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Secret workouts/practices? With Schwartz as our coach, would you put it past him, seriously?

I think Hill will start to, but you never know with a guy as secretive as Schwartz is. I’ve never seen a coach so secretive about things that most coaches don’t even to seem to acknowledge, like if the 3rd string linebacker or long-snapper is hurt or not. Who really cares? Jim Schwartz, of course.

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by DLions4Eva on Oct 16, 2010 12:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

That’s why Schwartz and all of his stealth bullsheeett, is plain old silly.

by delusional on Oct 16, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

depends on what the definition of "play" is

if stafford plays i will start a man crush on schwartz. that would be a nice move indeed.

by SilverandBlue on Oct 16, 2010 12:03 PM EDT reply actions  

The only MAJORE plus to having Stafford this weekis.......

You know the wind will be blowing in the Meadowlands. Stafford has a much better arm than Hill. His arm strength would benefit our offense a lot in this week’s game. However, if Calvin isn’t healthy, they better not play Stafford, because that would be disaster. We need Calvin to play in Stafford’s first game back.

by lionsman81 on Oct 16, 2010 12:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Nice homework

I have to say that just cause matt “plays” dosen’t mean he will play..Jake Delhomme was the backup last week its possible Stafford could backup Hill but who knows.

GET WELL SOON MATT! We need ya man

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by The Profiler on Oct 16, 2010 12:39 PM EDT reply actions  

You had me at "Mysterious Injury Ninja"

GO LIONS!!!

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by suckaMC on Oct 16, 2010 12:50 PM EDT reply actions  

Your logic is logical. Your reasoning is reasonable. Your statistics are statistically sound.

Hill will start. lol

Lions fans deserve better than being the laughing stock of the NFL. Lets all hope they are heading in the right direction finally.

by joshsun on Oct 16, 2010 12:55 PM EDT reply actions  

what flavor

I prefer cherry.

Lions fans deserve better than being the laughing stock of the NFL. Lets all hope they are heading in the right direction finally.

by joshsun on Oct 16, 2010 1:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

Lions fans deserve better than being the laughing stock of the NFL. Lets all hope they are heading in the right direction finally.

by joshsun on Oct 16, 2010 1:26 PM EDT up reply actions  

hahahaha,

I got a chuckle out of that.

by j16941 on Oct 16, 2010 4:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

Lions fans deserve better than being the laughing stock of the NFL. Lets all hope they are heading in the right direction finally.

by joshsun on Oct 16, 2010 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Excuse me?

I believe there is a better chance of the ghost of Bobby Layne playing this week than #9! Come on! It’s just common sense! NO WAY STAFFORD PLAYS!!!!

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by Ronbomb on Oct 16, 2010 9:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Sweet!

I just picked up the ghost of Bobby Layne, for my fantasy team this week!

championship!

by j16941 on Oct 17, 2010 1:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

allrighty the giants game

This game will be the “defense makes the offense look good” scenario. If of course the defensive line plays good contain on Bradshaw. I like the “shell” of contain that has been happening more and more as the season chugs on so far but patience should prevail. There will be opportunities for the crew to put the fear of God into Eli and that will make all the difference in the world on that particular qb.
On the other side of the ball theres just too many spots for too many offensive weapons to set up for the Giants to cover everybody cleanly. One other thought: Hill and his “softer” (being very gracious) lobs instead of lasers may be more catchable for large wide receivers that are good at the “jump ball” along the sides. It sure didn’t hurt Bradshaw when his “soft” (liberally gracious) throws went to Swannee.
Still need a gatchet play or two.

by uggugg on Oct 17, 2010 8:12 AM EDT reply actions  

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