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Grade Jim Schwartz - October 2010

The end of October is nearing, so it's once again time to hand out some grades, starting first with Lions head coach Jim Schwartz. In September's poll, which was taken after two games, Schwartz received a B by 50% of the voters, a C by 22% of the voters and an A by 20% of the voters. Only a total of 5% of the voters gave him a D or F. There were a total of 2288 votes on the poll.

Since the September poll, the Lions have won one game and lost three games. Over that time there has been much debate about some of Schwartz's coaching decisions, and although we have seen a lot of improvement, I'm interested in gauging where Schwartz stands with the Lions fan base, so go ahead and vote in the poll below and leave your thoughts in the comments. My vote and explanation can be viewed after the jump.

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Back in September, I gave Schwartz a B, and that grade is no different in October. My reasoning was that while I was encouraged by the progress, I wouldn't raise my grade until wins started happening. Well, a month later my opinion is the same. I am encouraged by what I have seen, but I need to start seeing more wins before I even think about giving Schwartz an A. Hopefully by this time in November, the Lions will have given me a reason to consider bumping up Schwartz a letter grade. For now, though, I'm sticking with a B.

Poll
What grade do you give Jim Schwartz for the job he has done so far as head coach of the Detroit Lions?
A
190 votes
B
858 votes
C
386 votes
D
70 votes
F
20 votes

1524 votes | Poll has closed

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Great job

He’s doing as good a job as can be done. No one could get more out of these players considering where this team started. The fact that they are competing in every game and maintaining a positive attitude is clear evidence that Schwartz is an excellent coach. We just need to give him time to continue to build them up to an over .500 team.

by birdseed on Oct 28, 2010 9:06 AM EDT reply actions  

Sorry had to go wtih a D

That’s what I think he would give himself. He wants to be graded on wins – losses and that’s what he should be graded as. This might be harsh but I’m sticking with it (although in my heart I give him a B+)

WILL PLAY DEFENSE FOR FOOD

by NYCLionsfan on Oct 28, 2010 9:16 AM EDT reply actions  

bullseye

+1 you are to the tee on this one!!!!! I feel next season will be the make or break year.I have faith in jimbo that he is writing the ship correctly!

by devinb on Oct 28, 2010 2:59 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Great point

But I think he might even give himself a F, I think he is very critical of himself. There is one thing about this season that worries me though. I remember I think it was back in the 2000 season I can’t remeber quite when it was but we were losing every game by less than 7 points and it felt like the coaching staff was fine with it because they thought they would get better next year and that did not happen and the downword spiral continued. I was starting to get that feeling this year but then I listen to Schwartz and I see the moves that the FO is making and I don’t see it happening this time but it is still in the back of my mind. Like I said I don’t remember when this happened, it might have even been during the Marinelli years.

by lionfan4life on Oct 28, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

B

I gave him a C last time. I think the coaches and players have both steadily gotten better, I hope the trend continues and we see some more wins.

If you can't spell practise write, then dont repond!

by FMFDOC8404 on Oct 28, 2010 9:41 AM EDT reply actions  

I also upgraded his grade...

from D to C.

If Detroit beats washington it will go to a B.

To get an A from me, Detroit has to win consecutively.

by CLF on Oct 28, 2010 9:43 AM EDT reply actions  

+1

3 consecutive and he gets the key to the city

WILL PLAY DEFENSE FOR FOOD

by NYCLionsfan on Oct 28, 2010 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed CLF

now post a funny picture………….

WILL PLAY DEFENSE FOR FOOD

by NYCLionsfan on Oct 28, 2010 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ha ha

CLF you are the man with these!! You’ve been making me laugh my ass off since 2008 with your pics!!!

WILL PLAY DEFENSE FOR FOOD

by NYCLionsfan on Oct 28, 2010 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nothing has changed since September

The Lions have lost some very close games to very good opponents. I do not fault Jim Schwartz for that failure, even though as head coach he will put the blame on himself. I see improvement in leaps and bounds, and I Schwartz is doing a perfectly good job. As such I give him a B still.

Oh you didn't know?? You're ass better CALLLLLLLL SOMEBODY!!!!!

by KDawg on Oct 28, 2010 9:44 AM EDT reply actions  

B

With the injuries and what this team was I just feel like what else can the guy do.

If he can’t stop the team from committing stupid penalties and have more discipline it could fall…

by Spider1 on Oct 28, 2010 9:45 AM EDT reply actions  

I said A

I mean, what more could he have done? I feel like we are so much better than last year… I don’t think many coaches would have us in any better postion

All men are created equal. Its just that some men are more equal than others....

by CapitolLions on Oct 28, 2010 9:56 AM EDT reply actions  

Can I give him an A-?

The guy’s done everything he can with a backup QB in the reigns (a season-ender for any other team dreaming for the playoffs). He’s taken talent many other teams have cast away and made it work in his system. He’s made some questionable calls but a 44-6 blowout isn’t terrible. No team has blown us out either.

He’s just not had wins which I chalk up to not having his starting QB. Shaun Hill played incredibly terrific given that the guy wasn’t supposed to see the field, but he made a bunch of mistakes (INTs, mostly) that led to giving the game away (Woodson’s pick-six, the goalline picks against a number of teams) at the last minute. Stafford would likely have made some, but not all of them.

In my mind, he deserves an A for keeping up with the best teams in the league with a backup and question marks for LBs each week but the excess of penalties holds him back. That’s really my only knock against him—too many penalties which should be cleaned up by good coaching.

by Doc Scratch on Oct 28, 2010 9:58 AM EDT reply actions  

1-5 = C, at most

I like the dude, but: 1-5.

I say C, and that feels like a gift. It is time to start winning.

by orenthal on Oct 28, 2010 10:25 AM EDT reply actions  

Bill Cower might have us a 2-4 LOL...

Give him a break.

All men are created equal. Its just that some men are more equal than others....

by CapitolLions on Oct 28, 2010 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'm with you- a C

He gets the team to compete. But the bonehead plays the players are making go back to the coach. I still believe in him and think he is the right man for the job.

Injuries are always a part of this job, but in the NFL you are measured in wins and losses. A weak defense (except the line) prevents me from lowering his score even more.

by Kirt-LionFaninGR! on Oct 28, 2010 10:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

I gave him an A.

The Lions are getting better in every unit and yard stick ……..except wins.

The wins will come, and the improvements we have seen so far this year will be validated.

by NorthLeft12 on Oct 28, 2010 10:37 AM EDT reply actions  

Fire him! Now!

I’m starting to feel uncomfortable with all this talk of improving and the thought of having consistency. This is not the Lion way. We need to quickly turn over this coaching staff before we actually start winning on a regular basis.

…removes tongue from cheek…

by DrewsLions on Oct 28, 2010 10:56 AM EDT reply actions  

-?

What’s your grade Drew?

by Kirt-LionFaninGR! on Oct 28, 2010 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

B+

A few questionable game decisions and too many lack of discipline penalties hurts his grade.

Still, game preparedness seems high, and he’s helped turn players everyone assumed were busts into productive starters. The schedule gets a good bit easier from here, so hopefully the obvious improvement from last year will show up in the win column soon.

REALLY excited for year three of the Mayhew/Schwartz regime though.

by AJSmitty on Oct 28, 2010 11:09 AM EDT reply actions  

D

1-5

Lions fans deserve better than being the laughing stock of the NFL. Lets all hope they are heading in the right direction finally.

by joshsun on Oct 28, 2010 11:13 AM EDT reply actions  

Out of curiosity

This is not a criticism of your opinion at all, because I get the “1-5” point of view, but out of curiosity, what record this year would have you feeling good about the team?

Personally, I thought the Lions were a 4-6 win team at the outset, and I won’t be too upset with something in that range. Oddly enough, the 1-5 start has me thinking that I under-predicted a bit, and I think they might win 5-7, even with the Chicago disaster in Week 1.

by AJSmitty on Oct 28, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

AJ

you have the Lions going .500 the rest of the way to end up with 5 – 7 wins?? Really?? Realistically they won’t get there – we still play Jets, Pats, GB, Dallas, etc. I had them at 4 – 12 and I hope we still get there.

WILL PLAY DEFENSE FOR FOOD

by NYCLionsfan on Oct 28, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

They can beat Dallas and GB in Detroit...

I think they can beat NE too… I feel like 6-10 is still a good possibilty

All men are created equal. Its just that some men are more equal than others....

by CapitolLions on Oct 28, 2010 11:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think the Lions will beat Washington, Chicago, Buffalo and Dallas. That’s 5 wins right there.

I think the Lions can also beat the Vikings and steal one of the remaining three.

That’s 7.

by AJSmitty on Oct 28, 2010 11:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

I love the optimism!!

You might sell me on 5 – 11 but until they stop averaging 9 penalties a game and the refs stop giving calls to our opponent every week I’m sticking with my 4 – 12.

WILL PLAY DEFENSE FOR FOOD

by NYCLionsfan on Oct 28, 2010 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

Why thank you

I get your position too. I just don’t think I’m that optimistic: I just think Chicago, Washington, Buffalo, Tampa and the Kitnaboys suck worse than we do.

And I think Minnesota will be a broken team by Week 16.

by AJSmitty on Oct 28, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Every home game is winnable...

and so is every away game.

The hardest part of the 2010 season is over…. it should only get easier from here.

by CLF on Oct 28, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Scratch that

I forgot we play Tampa. That’s a win in my book as well. Bringing the Lions to 6 wins without beating Minnesota.

I have GB, NE, MIA, and NYJ down as losses and MIN down as a maybe.

That’s 6-7 wins total.

by AJSmitty on Oct 28, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

I hope you're right Smitty!

I am just used to disappointment with this team I may be unable to see us pulling out wins instead of us learning new ways to lose. Perhaps we will flip the switch during the second half and make a real run. I would LOVE that to happen.

WILL PLAY DEFENSE FOR FOOD

by NYCLionsfan on Oct 28, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

I like that reasoning

I’d probably add in one loss somewhere in those first 4 as a stinker game for the Lions. I’d love to think we’re going to be stellar from here on out, but we’re bound to get trounced somewhere along the line on the road.

by Elfuego51 on Oct 28, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was in the 4 win prediction camp myself

That number is completely irrelevant to the grade that Schwartz gets from me. He has flat out under performed in my opinion and deserves nothing better than a D. His team looks sloppy and undisciplined more often than not. His team has not been able to take advantage of teams that were ripe for being beat by an underdog. He has been far too conservative with a team that is clearly needing a confidence boost from their coach (this is very slowly getting better).

Before I hear the “he has this team fighting for full games” quotes from a dozen different people. Lets be clear about a couple things here.

1) having your team fighting for a whole game is not an accomplishment. It is a minimum requirement for being a coach in the NFL.

2) Being the difference from being close to winning and winning games is the difference between success and failure for coaches in the NFL.

Lions fans deserve better than being the laughing stock of the NFL. Lets all hope they are heading in the right direction finally.

by joshsun on Oct 28, 2010 12:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

Points taken

But seriously, how many wins would make you happy two years removed from 0-16?

I would have been/would be pleased with six. Some people might want more, some might settle for less. I’m just curious.

by AJSmitty on Oct 28, 2010 12:50 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really do not think there is a Number of wins needed for me to be happy with him

It is a more obscure thing for me. Those points I mentioned above are a couple of the things I would need to see improved upon. All of these things result in more wins so it can be hard for me to judge as a final number of wins.

I am not sold, for or against, on Schwartz as of yet. He still has 10 games to make be believe in him.

Eventually, the 0-16 moniker has to be shed and I am not willing to give the benefit of the doubt anymore.

Lions fans deserve better than being the laughing stock of the NFL. Lets all hope they are heading in the right direction finally.

by joshsun on Oct 28, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

I get that.

For me, I think any new regime gets a three year grace period, but in today’s NFL, any competent franchise should be able to assemble a playoff caliber team within those three years, no matter how poor the original product was.

As such, I’ll be disappointed if the Lions aren’t a playoff team next year. For this year though, it’s all gravy and I just look for improvement.

by AJSmitty on Oct 28, 2010 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think these next 10 games will clarify a lot of things to a lot of people...

In how they are currently viewing the Lions and the new management team.

There are some that will blindly follow what the team puts out, even if it’s 53 players tooling around the field in wheelchairs, then there are those that will bitch about it being the same ole Lions if they win out but the margin of victory wasn’t to their liking.

by delusional on Oct 28, 2010 2:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hate the notion of Grase periods

This is the NFL. When it comes to coaches that means Not For Long.

For some coaches this can cause an over conservative way of coaching the game. For others, it seems to drive them to push their players to new levels of success. The greatest coaches are the ones that respond to the latter.

Coaches like, and I can’t believe I am saying this, Pete Carrol are examples of how to coach without fear. He has accomplished just about everything he could possibly want, albeit with some apparent cheating. Now he is taking a team no one expected anything out of and finding ways to win.

Lions fans deserve better than being the laughing stock of the NFL. Lets all hope they are heading in the right direction finally.

by joshsun on Oct 29, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

bah

Grace

You know what I meant.

Lions fans deserve better than being the laughing stock of the NFL. Lets all hope they are heading in the right direction finally.

by joshsun on Oct 29, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

In the end, the only thing that will matter is playoffs/SBs.

Can you name a head coach who slipped in his first job as head coach and immediately took their team to the playoffs who wasn’t already a playoff contender? Because I can name quite a few who haven’t and have done right fine in the long run.

by Mavyrk on Oct 29, 2010 12:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

You are putting words into my mouth and then making arguements against what you are saying.

Where did I mention anything about playoffs or SBs?

I said wins. To this point Schwartz is 3-19 and is 1-5 this year. He has not shown an ability to win games that he should not win. He has not shown an ability to win games that he should never win. Who has he beat? The Rams, Skins and Browns. What do those franchises have in common recently?

Lions fans deserve better than being the laughing stock of the NFL. Lets all hope they are heading in the right direction finally.

by joshsun on Oct 29, 2010 12:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm doing no such thing.

I’m making my own argument which is contrary to yours, and then asking you if you would still rate Schwartz against that standard to be sub-par.

by Mavyrk on Oct 29, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

The short answer.

yes.

He has been sub-par to this point and needs to show improvement and quickly.

Lions fans deserve better than being the laughing stock of the NFL. Lets all hope they are heading in the right direction finally.

by joshsun on Oct 29, 2010 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

This is where we differ a bit.....

If it was a normal new head coach takeover, let say like a Shanahan WAS situation, by year two, with wins starting to show up, his feet should be held to the fire.

Even yourself Joshun, drool and expel jizz violently at the mere mention of Mayhew. Because Mayhew is finally bringing in talent slowly, from a nothing beginning. Schwartz is trying to build something from positively nothing. He should be given at least 2 years with at least some form of support.

Now me, being the antsy type, I want to see vast improvement in these last 10 games, with minimal foot shooting in the process. But that doesn’t mean I don’t think Schwartz shouldn’t get another year.

Actually, if reasonable improvement takes place these next 10 games, Schwartz should be extended after the season so that he’s not a lame duck coach next year.

by delusional on Oct 29, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Mayhew has shown to be above average in his field

Schwartz has not. I really do not know how else to say it. We have the tools to win now and we are not winning.

Our defense is better than any of us ever imagined and our offense is capable of putting up points. This is a NFL ready squad right now. We have all the talent we need to win games right now and Schwartz needs to find a way to make it happen.

Lions fans deserve better than being the laughing stock of the NFL. Lets all hope they are heading in the right direction finally.

by joshsun on Oct 29, 2010 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I just think you can have that wide of a opinion difference between the two.

Aquiring players is the easier of the two. Actually molding it into something acceptable is the hard part, and so many things are outside of a coaches control…..Like dumbass refs for one example.

by delusional on Oct 29, 2010 4:10 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

We shall see...

Where Seattle is at the end of the year. “Finding ways to win” is too often a synonym for “getting lucky.”

Seattle has played three home games, and have played a grueling schedule of San Francisco, St. Louis, Arizona, Chicago, Denver and San Diego. Oh, and they got beaten by the Rams by three scores.

You can’t underestimate the value of getting to play St. Louis, Arizona, and San Francisco twice a year.

by AJSmitty on Oct 29, 2010 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

I will not argue that point.

But if asked, with nothing else changing, would you take their record over ours?

Lions fans deserve better than being the laughing stock of the NFL. Lets all hope they are heading in the right direction finally.

by joshsun on Oct 29, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

No question

But I would take our team over theirs.

And GOD, what do we have to do to get a schedule like Seattle’s? I mean LOOK AT IT.

by AJSmitty on Oct 29, 2010 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

No kidding. All the NFC West teams have easy schedules.

The AFC West is pretty easy too, because they play each other for the most part.

Seattle’s tough games; @ New Orleans, home against the Giants, Falcons, and San Diego.
With the Chargers and Saints not playing up to their potential.

by NorthLeft12 on Oct 29, 2010 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

B+

I haven’t seen any "Marty Morningweg type, take the wind, calls. Good clock management, good game planning, no BS catch phrases. It seems to me that the players are the group who is beating the Detroit Lions these days, sure, they get some help from the refs.

by rproulx on Oct 28, 2010 11:24 AM EDT reply actions  

Marty Takes The Wind!!!

Truley and Epic Fail

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by CapitolLions on Oct 28, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

Grading Jim this can't go bad LOL

Say B while we have only one win We have been very competitive with a team riddled with injurys.

You can't keep the Pain Train off the tracks!

Me fail english thats umpossible

by The Profiler on Oct 28, 2010 11:32 AM EDT reply actions  

All you have to do is watch a post game Vikings press conference....Enough said.

It’s worth giving up a win just to have a head coach that I can respect.

I wouldn’t let that slimy little snail in Minn change the oil in my truck.

by delusional on Oct 28, 2010 11:36 AM EDT reply actions  

I also wouldn’t allow him within 500 yards of an elementary school.

by AJSmitty on Oct 28, 2010 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

LOL

so right

WILL PLAY DEFENSE FOR FOOD

by NYCLionsfan on Oct 28, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ha ha ha

keep this man away from small children!!! He’s the Roman Polanski of the NFL!!

WILL PLAY DEFENSE FOR FOOD

by NYCLionsfan on Oct 28, 2010 1:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

You can't keep the Pain Train off the tracks!

Me fail english thats umpossible

by The Profiler on Oct 29, 2010 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions  

Gave him a B

I really like JS but in this league you have to start winning. If we don’t pull in at least two of the next four, I will have to drop may grade a bit.

Lions fan down in LA (lower Alabama)

by FusterMT on Oct 28, 2010 11:54 AM EDT reply actions  

I Hate Doing This But...................

I had to give him a D based on the lack of wins at this point. I still like him as a coach and believe he’ll be successful but until the wins start accumulating I don’t know it. I want to rate him higher and think I will in the future but I can’t right now,

J P

by Justan Oldfart on Oct 28, 2010 11:56 AM EDT reply actions  

I gave him a C

He needs to have Linehan open up the offense. It seems like they’re playing it safe to a point. They’ve got the weapons, take it to the opposing defenses.

"A child of five would understand this. Send someone to fetch a child of five." ~Groucho Marx

by Jettero2112 on Oct 28, 2010 12:31 PM EDT reply actions  

C is a fair grade.

The inflation of grading I think is affecting a few of you. Calling Jim average compared to other coaches is not that bad considering what he had to work with.

by LeyandsMarlboros on Oct 28, 2010 12:49 PM EDT reply actions  

A Solid B

With another year of a massive roster overhaul. Leaning on a back-up quarterback. And fact that we have had 6 different MLbers this season. And dont forget that the major stars of this team is 25 years old or younger. I think Schwartz has done a good job of keeping this team together. Keep them fighting until the final whistle.

if the shoe fits...get another one just like it - George Carlin

by JCruize on Oct 28, 2010 12:58 PM EDT reply actions  

C

downgraded from a B. Too many stupid penalties that cost the Lions at least another win, got to coach the undisciplined play outta these guys.
I like the Schwartz and think he can turn it around, he just has to get some more Ws to prove it.

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by JazzyBBP on Oct 28, 2010 1:21 PM EDT reply actions  

C+ to B-

Considering the little bit of talent we have, it’s not really fair to give him too much Hell. Given all of the massive changes we’ve seen him (and the rest of the organization) make in two years, I give him a lot of credit. People aren’t laughing at the Lions as much and there’s a real reason why. I’d also say had we not have him here, we wouldn’t be as good as we are.

This year isn’t over yet, though. All is not lost. We’ve still got plenty of football left in us and plenty of opportunities to win every game we play. The time is now for the Lions. No matter what happens, the team is going to get better, whether it’s by trades, off-season moves, FA, the draft or just plain experience. We’ve got enough people to believe that we can resurrect the franchise and more and more people will come to help.

by The Sledge on Oct 28, 2010 5:44 PM EDT reply actions  

B

We are not 1-5 we are 2-4 thank you very much Bears referees. I placed this team at 6 wins on talent and schedule. But with all of the injuries and the lack of depth that dropped to about 4 wins now for what I would think is in tier wheelhouse. Anything better than that is going to mean the team is farther along than I thought.

But I don’t grade on record alone like some do. I grade on what has been done with the tools given for the job. That is why I see injuries as a factor, not an excuse. Take away Peyton Manning and I bet the Colts are right at the bottom of their Division too. This is why I like teams that build off a running game and defense over the Franchise QB models. A running game and defense is built off units, and while one player may effect that unit greatly, they do not stop functioning all together. Just look at teams like the Steelers, Ravens, and Jets. Those teams can lose their franchise QB and still compete. That is not the same for teams like the Colts, Patriots, and Saints who would struggle mightily without their main man.

Because we do not have any of those pieces locked in place, even our hopeful Franchise QB needs to take more than one step to get to that level, I tend to not expect much from the Lions in terms of wins. The fact that we have been competitive is enough for me this year. I am not expecting a playoff run. What I want to see is .500 at home and 2 wins on the road, that would be a huge step forward and put us right at that 6 win mark I talked about.

We have beaten the Rams at home and I think we have a very good shot to beat the Bears here later. The Redskins will be a good shot to win at home too. We should beat the Bills on the road and we certainly can beat either Tampa Bay or Miami on the road. The hard part for me is the other win at home. With the Vikings, Packers, Jets, Patriots left the Lions will have to beat someone that is clearly above their talent level.

Ndamukong Suh - Bringing 50's football back to Motown!

by Evilsmurf on Oct 28, 2010 9:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Hell no.

No way can the Lions win with Kitna and Roy Williams on the field…

Oh wait, we’re playing against them? Lock it up!

by Mavyrk on Oct 29, 2010 1:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Stays at a B for me

I like the effort that’s being put out there. We are better than our record indicates.

RIP Robyn Bailey 1961 - 2010. I love you mum.

by Hyperion Ecta on Oct 29, 2010 2:59 AM EDT reply actions  

What Schwartz brings to the party.... grade A

Schwartz has brought some real excitement back into the Lions team. Plus he is easy on the eyes….

by manekitty on Oct 29, 2010 6:03 PM EDT reply actions  

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