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The Monday Morning Microscope: Week 4 - Foot Meet Bullet

Disclaimer:  I think I'm going to start adding a poll to the column each week to try and gauge the site's feelings on the hot topics regarding the Lions.  Hopefully, they will spark a little "friendly" debate as well.

Click.  Click.  Boom!  That's the sound of a team shooting itself in the foot.  And that's exactly what the Lions did on Sunday.  Penalties and mistakes plagued a golden opportunity to get off the schnide and end a bevy of shameful streaks.  Instead, the result was a familiar one for the 2010 Lions... close, but no cigar.  I can't help but experience a combination of disappointment and pride.  I feel disappointment because of what this win could have meant and the sense that it could have been a tide-turning moment of sorts and pride in the fact that the Lions took a good team down to the wire once again. 

But alas, there are no bonus points for being close and a loss is a loss.  The Detroit Lions are now 0-4 and there is little comfort in those cold facts.  There is some solace, however, in how well this team responded to adverse situations against Green Bay.  They valiantly fought back time after time when penalties and turnovers put them down early.  I know that tenacity, determination and gutsy play does not give us back a win, but it is yet another example of this team beginning to learn what it takes to win and be competitive each week.  Talent-wise, this team is on the cusp of being good.  The growing pains can make for exciting games and close finishes, yet ultimately it can be very frustrating to watch the losses mount once again.    

Star-divide

Fans, I suppose, will take away what they want from this game.  There has been much ado on Pride of Detroit in the past few weeks about optimism versus negativity with this year's team.  There was something for everyone in this game.  The Eternal Optimist's Club will point to the exceptional day the offense had and the good second half performance by a much maligned defense.  The Perpetual Pessimist's Guild will point to another instance where self-inflicted wounds kept the team from finishing out another close game and can once again tout the ever-popular "same ol' Lions" chant.  Whatever your stance, the fact is that the Lions - win, lose or draw - are competitive this year.  For some of us, that is the direction that we are happy to be headed.  We all wanted badly to see a victory against the cocky Aaron Rodgers and his smug Packer buddies, but we simply couldn't pull it out.  Be disappointed, but give hard fought credit where it is due as there were some plucky and courageous performances out there yesterday.

So where do we go from here?  Tough to say.  We all have our fingers crossed that when the now 2-2 St. Louis Rams come to town next week that Matthew Stafford will be back under center and that we come away with our first win.  A victory is not a given, though.  The Rams are showing some spunk and they have a young signal caller that looks like he's going to be a pretty good player.  I do feel confident in saying that if we give the same effort we gave yesterday to the Rams next week - without the dim-witted penalties, of course - we will get a win at home.  These opening four games were always going to be a tough stretch.  It would have been a difficult set of games for any team in the league, let alone one coming off a 2-14 season.  But we have seven home games left and all of the remaining divisional games will be on our own turf.  I feel like we still have a great shot at getting 5-7 wins this year and have a chance to showcase what is yet to come.

 

Thoughts on the Game:

 

  • Some Love for Hill: I thought Hill was fantastic yesterday. He threw the ball 54 times for 331 yards and a pair of TDs (as well as a pair of INTs - at least one of which was not his fault). He moved the ball well all day long and while they bogged down in the redzone a few times, he kept the Packer's defense on their heels most of the game. For the first time, I felt a real confidence in our offense. We got a glimpse of how this offense would run under Stafford and how if all the stars started to shine, we could be as productive and dangerous as any offense in the NFL. Hill was efficient and took some calculated risks - a few of which paid dividends. I think we'll see a lot of people comment that Linehan finally opened the playbook, but I think that the game-plan and playcalling wasn't all that different from the previous three games. The big difference that I saw was that Hill finally started looking at all his options. I think the "conservativeness" that got everyone heated was more of Hill not taking risks (or not getting the right defensive looks), not necessarily the playcalling. Once again... great game, Shaun.
  • Hanson Haters Go Home: I knew as soon as Hanson's 55 yard attempt fell short that the Hanson Haters would be out in full force calling for a kicker with a bigger leg. How ‘bout now? He is still one of the premier kickers in the league and I hope this game silences everyone calling for his replacement. An absolute class act and all-time great Lion, he deserves better from fans. I still contend he is more accurate than 90% of the kickers in the league and I hope he plays until he's 50.
  • Anyone Miss Stan Kwan?: Because of all of the other drama, the vast improvement in the special teams has flown under the radar. Logan is an improved returner over Derrick Williams or Aaron Brown, but I'm speaking more to the kick and punt coverage teams. They have been a real strength for this team this year. They kept Green Bay in check all game and even forced a huge fumble in the second half.
  • Big Difference on 3rd Downs: One of the things that I've noticed is that we are more consistently in 3rd and manageable compared to the last few years. I think a lot of this is because of Jahvid Best and the great play by the tight ends. We are finally starting to get yardage on first and second downs and it is leading to sustained drives. I think this was especially true in the second half and was the key to our defense staying fresh and playing well. I'm not sure that we had any three and outs in the entire second half and if we did it was because we were in field goal range. That's a small victory in and of itself. The ability to sustain drives is how you become a successful offense and that, in turn, helps your defense.
  • Pettigrew vs. Oher: For Lions fans, this is a debate that will likely rage on for years, but Pettigrew now has 22 catches over the last three games. If he could sustain that amount over a 16 game season that's 117 catches. I think his performance this season should quell some of that heated discussion. I believe that Pettigrew is starting to show what he can become to this offense and I for one, am deeply grateful that he is a Lion. Oher is a good player in his own right, but I think the evidence is mounting that Pettigrew could turn into a game-changing tight end and that will make it harder for the fans to hold on to that resentment.
  • Will We Ever Get The Call?: I'm getting tired of having to add a bullet point for referee calls - or in this case, non-calls. While most of the Lions' flags today were warranted (aside from the Turk McBride offsides call in the 3rd quarter... which ended up being another game-changing call), it was the flags that the refs didn't throw against the Packers that have me tee'd off once again. I won't get into all of the non-calls individually, but there were several pass interference penalties that should have been thrown on the last drive amongst others scattered throughout the game. I guess you have to earn the respect of the refs as well.

 

 

Offensive Game Ball:

Shaun Hill - Quarterback

This was an easy one.  I finally feel comfortable about having Hill as a backup and if Stafford is indeed out until after the bye, I think we can still win against the Rams and Giants.  Not that he isn't prone to mistakes, but he's earning my respect by his gutsy play.  It doesn't always look pretty, but he showed today that he can get it done.

 

Defensive Game Ball:

Chris Houston - Cornerback

I'll give credit where it is due and I think Houston played a pretty solid game.  Most of the big plays came on the opposite side of the field from Houston and like Hill, he is earning my respect through solid play.  Now, this is all relative to how he started the season, but I think there is hope for Houston becoming a solid part of this team's future at corner.   

 

Goat(s) of the Game:

Stephen Peterman / Kyle Vanden Bosch - Guard / Defensive End

The only thing more irritating than penalties are when it is seasoned veterans committing them.  Peterman had several holding penalties and Vanden Bosch had two offsides and another personal foul for a late hit.  Emotion is great when you can keep it in check, but Vanden Bosch walks the fine line between the two and it sometimes spills over. 

Besides the penalties, neither of these players had particularly good games yesterday.  I know that both are nursing injuries and maybe that had something to do with it, I don't know.  Peterman has struggled most of the season and has become this year's liability on the line.  It's funny because he was the guy that the coaches seemed to be the most excited about.  Like I said, maybe it's the injury, but Peterman has really struggled.  I'll give Vanden Bosch a mulligan for yesterday's lackluster performance, because he's been lights out the previous few weeks.  He was just pretty much absent out there.  It was an uncharacteristic performance for him.

 

 

In Conclusion...

I have to admit that even though we are 0-4, I'm pretty excited for the rest of the season.  I like our schedule down the stretch.  I think that we have some winnable games and can still get between 5 and 7 wins this season.  If nothing else, it's going to be a fun ride watching these guys compete and grow together as a unit.  I know that's not nearly enough for some of you and I'm not saying that I'm content with that, but I'm a fan of football and I like seeing good, competitive games.  I really think that the Lions can win their next two before the bye week, then who knows what happens from there.

I'll say this, we've played all three teams in our division and I'm scared of none of them.  Neither are the Lions.  Between Chicago and Green Bay, we lost by 6 points collectively.  The next time we see these teams, it's on our own soil.  I wouldn't be shocked to take all three of those divisional games the next time around. 

 

I thought I'd close this week's column with a short story of a proud papa moment.  On Saturdays, my kids usually get out of bed about a half hour or so before I do.  Typically, they quietly get up and turn on the TV and watch cartoons or some DVR'd kids show like iCarly or Spongebob Squarepants.  So I get up this past Saturday and as I'm walking out of my room in a very groggy state, I vaguely pick up the familiar sound of football commentary.  Confused, I walk into the living room to see my six year old son - by himself - watching the tape of the Lions-Eagles game I had on DVR.  I was stunned.  I asked him, "What are you watching?"  "Lions-Eagles game.", he said matter of factly.  "Ummm... okay.  Why are you watching that?", I asked.  "I'm trying to figure out why these guys couldn't get the win, Dad."

I'd be lying if I said I didn't get a little misty eyed right there.  So I made a quick pot of coffee and we sat and had our first film session together.  I was explaining the offensive and defensive schemes and why certain players were doing what they were doing and he was totally getting excited about learning the basics of the game.  Chip off the old block, I guess.  That's the stuff that life is about.  It's about those perfect little moments that are all too rare in life.  Just thought I'd share this story.

Poll
After the 0-4 start, how confident are you that we will still get five wins this season?
Very confident – I think that we may surpass that total
345 votes
Still Hopeful – I think they should get just about five wins
636 votes
Not confident – I think they will likely fall short of five wins
348 votes
No way – I think this team will be hard pressed to get three wins
192 votes

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hahahahahaha

I didn’t notice the picture till I read this…I just snotted some Mountain Dew…it’s hurts but it’s still awesome! lol

by BBlades on Oct 4, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Reminds me of a kick ass song...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umHoQBZeXJQ

In life, a man is either the hammer or the anvil. Ndamukong Suh is both
Pride of Detroits village idiot

by JazzyBBP on Oct 4, 2010 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great write up Drew.
“I’m trying to figure out why these guys couldn’t get the win, Dad.”

Brilliant! If your son has any ideas, besides sacking Linehan and Schwartz, please post them.

by NorthLeft12 on Oct 4, 2010 10:51 AM EDT reply actions  

His idea was that they just throw it up to Calvin on every play...

“Like I do on Madden”, he says. I couldn’t disagree with him.

by DrewsLions on Oct 4, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

LOL

“… like I do on Madden.” Great stuff, the armchair quarterback’s new reason to interject. Personally I think this is how Dan Snyder runs the Redskins.

by birdseed on Oct 4, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

He plays on the Pro level and...

beats the CPU like 80-10 every time. I keep asking him if he wants me to make it harder and he’s like, nah…. Basically, he just chucks it deep to Calvin on every play.

by DrewsLions on Oct 4, 2010 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

A game like last week's

…almost had me done with the Lions for the year. D.O.N.E

Then of course, I get to watch this week’s game here in Ohio and I’m more excited than I have been all season to watch these guys get better.

Our offense is dangerous and exciting with a confident Hill or Staff and an aggresive Linehan.

Gotta get a win against St. Louis….HAVE TO.

by gf206 on Oct 4, 2010 10:52 AM EDT reply actions  

You know, Drew...

Now I really know for certain that I feel this team is getting better, steadily improving the culture, and also instilling an unusual amount of hope in my psyche.
.. because until this year I may have considered calling social services on you for child abuse.

:D

by abnerman on Oct 4, 2010 10:55 AM EDT reply actions  

Ha... very funny.

Yeah, hopefully his Lions experience will be far different from mine and we can enjoy some winning seasons together.

by DrewsLions on Oct 4, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

I'll be the unlikely source of the first negative comment.

I was very disappointed in the play of the D Line. The Packers O Line is not that strong [IMO] but our guys could not get a lot of pressure [two sacks and not too many hits] and they were dominated on that last drive.

If that unit wants to be considered elite, they have to do more. Especially when the game is on the line.

by NorthLeft12 on Oct 4, 2010 11:04 AM EDT reply actions  

Aaron Has only been sacked 5 times this season

including the Lions game.

if the shoe fits...get another one just like it - George Carlin

by JCruize on Oct 4, 2010 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great job Detroit

I felt in the past this team was deserving of criticism and now I feel they are deserving of praise. I thought they fought like hell and did a good job taking chances. To me they got 80% out of what the team on the field was capable of and I enjoyed the game.

Penalties and stupid plays are going to happen to every team but with this performance and the grit they showed I don’t think there is much negative you can say. Especially given the fact that everyone on earth thought this would be a blow out.

Congrats Detroit. You have earned with the fight you showed in this game a sell out crowd against the Rams. I expect a W against the Rams and a good season if you continue to fight the way you did in Green Bay.

Way to keep showing up no matter what!

by Spider1 on Oct 4, 2010 11:05 AM EDT reply actions  

I don't know

This team has that feel of the best losing NFL team this year. I have no confidence in the coaching staff or players to get more than 3 wins. I think we have a better chance of going 1-15 than 5-11. Also I would be amazed if the Rams game sells out. Reminders me of the 1-15 Dolphins so many close games but still all Ls

by JonnieT on Oct 4, 2010 11:07 AM EDT reply actions  

They deserve a sell out

While they may be 0-4. They have been scrapping and clawing hard. Don’t forget the same way beginning the season with an L brought down fans morale it hurt theirs as well. Combine that with losing Stafford and I think this team has shown grit. They deserve a true home field advantage and I bet the Lions fans are going to give it to them…..

by Spider1 on Oct 4, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Do they deserve a sellout? hell yeah

Are they going to get one? I doubt it. After the home opener needing an extension to sell out, the economic woes of the Detroit area and the 0-4 start, I just don’t see it happening. It is not about loyalty anymore. Casual fans are tired of spending several hundred dollars, literally, to watch their team lose.

Lions fans deserve better than being the laughing stock of the NFL. Lets all hope they are heading in the right direction finally.

by joshsun on Oct 4, 2010 2:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

If it's an economic issue, I see that

But if it’s because they are tired of seeing the team lose, I think this week will be different. I am in New England and I think from everything I have heard most people think this is an expected win for Detroit.

What is the feeling in Detroit? (Assuming you are there). Is this an expected win?

by Spider1 on Oct 4, 2010 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

it was an expected win before the season

it is not so much now. The rams have won 2 in a row. They have a legitimate running game (we are last against the run atm). The spread for this game is not going to be large. I am guessing 3 at the most.

Lions fans deserve better than being the laughing stock of the NFL. Lets all hope they are heading in the right direction finally.

by joshsun on Oct 4, 2010 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just saw that the line on the game is 3 for the Lions. Damn i am good!

Lions fans deserve better than being the laughing stock of the NFL. Lets all hope they are heading in the right direction finally.

by joshsun on Oct 4, 2010 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

going to get better

The hard part of the season is over! Now the fun begins. Granted we’re not going to the Super Bowl this year but we’re going to give the Rams a beating. And we’re going to beat either Washington or the Giants, IMO, probably Washington.

Buck up Pride, this season is going to be a lot more fun from here on through.

by birdseed on Oct 4, 2010 11:21 AM EDT reply actions  

There is no "hard part" as I see it.

On paper, sure, those conference games were all expected to be tough, but the prime reasons this team has lost every game this year is Injuries and Officiating, neither of which you can ever look at a schedule and point to. Add to that a ridiculous amount of dropped balls and penalties- and you have 0-4 on the season.

Where the Rams are sitting the Lions could easily be as well. I can see the Lions beating the Seahawks and Redskins. And after the clusterfuck last night, NYG are looking rather horrid out there. If they can get healthier and the refs don’t gang up on Detroit, the Lions could net several wins this year.

I don’t want add player does not have blue collar mentality,
even if he is great player. Piston should not quit your job. - OK from J

by Skylar on Oct 4, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

No game ball for Hill

until he stops making stupid decisions in the red zone that kill drives.

[...]when Giants coach Steve Owen, a certified defensive genius, was asked how he planned to stop Nagurski, he said: "With a shotgun, as he’s leaving the dressing room."

by NobodySpecial on Oct 4, 2010 11:25 AM EDT reply actions  

I disagree on this game.

The previous 3 games I would have agreed. This last one not so much. The 2 interseptions, IMO were not his fault. 1st one being where Best fell down, so not Hills fault. 2nd being that Woodson pressed passed the 5yrd line and never released. That is pass interferance in my book. The Lions will never get the calls vs these top names untill they help themselfs first. Untill they show they are a winning team, Stafford becomes a big name other then by the Lions fans and/ or our D gets a proven track record or some proven big names; we will not get calls like the Steelers, Ravens or a guy like Woodson.

by Joey-P on Oct 4, 2010 1:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm looking at that last drive

On the rollout. He had an open shot at running to the end zone, instead he throws an uncatchable ball. Then the game before that, two red zone INT’s that were all him throwing into coverage, and not moving into FG range against the Eagles on that last drive. Not to mention it’s only dumb luck he didn’t get Calvin killed end of the first half.

Nope, he’s a walking disaster inside the 20.

[...]when Giants coach Steve Owen, a certified defensive genius, was asked how he planned to stop Nagurski, he said: "With a shotgun, as he’s leaving the dressing room."

by NobodySpecial on Oct 4, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good Article

I just want to add that I never thought Stan Kwan was the problem. Special Teams relies on the back ups to perform. Since our starters were all pretty much back ups, our back ups were practice squad guys. With that lack of talent, there wasn’t much we could do. Now that Mayhew and Schwartz are getting more value with free agency and the draft, our Special Teams play is improving.

Hanson is just fine. Glad you spoke up on him. It’s not like that miss was a 20 yarder. When kickers start missing those, then there are problems. But anything over 50, especially outdoors, isn’t guaranteed no matter who you are.

Pettigrew looked good, but dropped another key ball. I don’t mind the pick because he can at least stay in to block as well as go out for passes. Oher can’t catch. I think the Lion’s knew they needed a blocker as well as offensive playmaker. I think they got both with Pettigrew. More bang for the buck, so to speak. Pettigrew haters need to remember we had a ton of holes to fill last year, so he was drafted to serve as a fill in for two areas: receiving and blocking.

Not sure why our defenders don’t look at the QB more when covering receivers. That TD throw to Finley was another example of this. I think it was Peterson in front of Finley, who was looking at Finley as the ball zinged by him. If he had turned his head to see the play develop, he would have got an interception. He should have realized he had help over the top, thus making it ok for him to read the QBs eyes. I see this a lot with our CBs as well. They just lock on the WR and don’t even see the ball get thrown. This also is why we get the pass interference calls. If our defenders just turned their heads, they could make a play on the ball, maybe getting an INT and not getting the flag.

by UniBallOut on Oct 4, 2010 11:27 AM EDT reply actions  

I’m still confident in 5 wins. When looking at the schedule, these were not the teams that I envisioned the lions beating. I did think the bears would be considerably worse than they are, but that’s more on them than the lions. Of the remaining games, I think the lions should beat the rams, redskins, bills, bears, and bucs. The games that are a toss up, I’d say are the giants, cowboys, and dolphins. I’m definitely counting on 4-6 wins to finish the year out.

MASN Announcer: "Ususally they have what they call here 'the privilege,' and that's what bobby cox calls it when he let's the veteran guys swing away on 3-0. This is not such a hitter."

Jason Heyward: Single up the middle, ballgame.

by telemakhos on Oct 4, 2010 11:42 AM EDT reply actions  

Awesome story about your son

This morning I was taking my eldest to school (she’s six), and on the radio Sean Baligian said, “I’ll be a Lions fan until I die, but . . .”

She goes, “Dad, I’ll still be a Lions fan even WHEN I’m dead!” ’Attagirl!

Peace
Ty

http://www.thelionsinwinter.com

by ty@thelionsinwinter on Oct 4, 2010 12:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Going 5-7 would be great

But I think it’s asking a little too much of this team.

Sunday’s game was easily the best I’ve seen this team play in at least 2 years, and they still came up short.

There are still major problems with this team that weren’t solved on Sunday. Despite only mustering 177 yards through the air, Green Bay was still very effective in their passing game. Rodgers completed more than 70% of his throws and averaged more than 10 yards per ATTEMPT. Despite his two INTs, he still finished with a 100+ qb rating.

Now, I’m not trying to get everyone down, but I want to keep everyone’s head level. This team played to its full potential on Sunday, IMO. And while it feels good that they are capable to doing so from time to time, we have to still realize the talent out there is sub-par.

I wouldn’t be shocked with going 5-7 the rest of the way, but I’m not expecting it. 4-12 seems much more likely.

I just pray we win next week. Because I can’t imagine the sh#t storm that’s going to happen if we lose to the Rams.

by simscity on Oct 4, 2010 12:38 PM EDT reply actions  

Losing to the rams will be a shit storm

but it will not be as bad as it was before they won these last two games in a row. They actually have a winning streak going.

Lions fans deserve better than being the laughing stock of the NFL. Lets all hope they are heading in the right direction finally.

by joshsun on Oct 4, 2010 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I really do not know. I would love to say, hell yeah this is our first win, but look at what they rams have done. Soundly beat the Skins and beat the seahawks into a mud hole. Granted neither team is going to the playoffs this year but they are also not jokes and the Rams put a whoopin on them both.

I love our Lions. I just don’t know.

Lions fans deserve better than being the laughing stock of the NFL. Lets all hope they are heading in the right direction finally.

by joshsun on Oct 4, 2010 1:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

I hear ya

You just said above “Losing to the rams WILL BE a…”. That’s why I asked.

by DrewsLions on Oct 4, 2010 1:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

should have said "would be"

typing error, nothing more.

Don’t forget, the rams have a legitimate run game. We have not necessarily been stellar against the run.

Lions fans deserve better than being the laughing stock of the NFL. Lets all hope they are heading in the right direction finally.

by joshsun on Oct 4, 2010 1:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

what are your thoughts on our chances to take on a less dominant D

Vikes, Packers, and Philly all have decent defenses… This could be blowout either way or a garbage bowl shootout like the browns last year

by Gyorick on Oct 4, 2010 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

This really is going to be a measuring stick game for us

Keep in mind the two games they have lost have been less than a TD. This Rams team is not going to go gently into that good night. I expect them to fight and scrap. I have only watched about 1/2 a quarter of them this year but what I did see was better than I expected. Jackson is any young QBs best friend. He is a load. Our D line and line backers are going to have their work cut out for them. We must improve our run defense if we are going to beat them!

If I were to bet, not that I ever would :P. I would look for the over under to be in the mid to high 40s, I would still take the over, that is if i were a betting man. The line is set already at 3 for the lions and we are at home. Home field is worth 3 points to vegas so they think we are pretty evenly matched.

This game has the makings of a shoot out unless the Rams come out and run effectively against us and that is my fear. We have not been even a little good against the run this year. If they do run and run well, we could be in trouble.

I remember when Mayhew was starting his new job he said something about “we will run the ball and stop the run.” To date, that had not been the case. We need that mentality this game. There is no time like the present. Our LBs need to step up.

Lions fans deserve better than being the laughing stock of the NFL. Lets all hope they are heading in the right direction finally.

by joshsun on Oct 4, 2010 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

I do recall that same message...

Whats weird is that we seem to do well with run plays that are direct to a single hole… I havent gone back through the DVR of the packers but I want to say that the 6 minute dagger drive was simple traps of misdirection plays where our LBs get lost in the wash. I recall Billick saying how Follet got blown up by the FB which didnt happen further more he was the only LB doing his job taking on the first back through the hole its up to the other 6 guys to get to the ball.

I agree that this is a big game for us, it would outright be embarrassing. There is no way they play with us if Schwartz bring these guys to the stadium to play. Yes were 0-4 but we dont need to play down. That will be something in my eyes to judge Schwartz on. I dont know a whole lot about the rams either but on paper I just dont see us being in the same group regardless of wins. If it isnt a shootout to the final minute it damn well better not be us getting booed out of our own stadium.

by Gyorick on Oct 4, 2010 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the Rams game will give us the best idea what the season will be

If we win strong I think the optimists get the edge. If we lose I think the pessimists get it. I personally think its a strong win. Lions 31 Rams 21

by Spider1 on Oct 4, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I disagree Sims....

This team did not play to their full potential. They committed many mistakes and turnovers and those things can be corrected. They cannot make up for the shortfall of talent on defense, which is why they won’t be great this year, but they have not yet hit their potential. This team is capable of winning quite a few games down the stretch if they play as good or better than yesterday. I have no doubts…..

by DrewsLions on Oct 4, 2010 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

well i disagree with your disagreement, good sir

Just because a team made some mental mistakes, doesn’t mean they didn’t play to their potential. To me, many of the mistakes made can be contributed to talent (first INT is obviously an exception). People like to point at penalties and say “stop doing that, and we’ll win”, but penalties are often the result of poor talent. PI calls are usually the result of poor coverage, holding penalties are the result of a lineman getting himself in a bad position, etc.

I expect this team to make a certain amount of mistakes per game, because this team is young. Sure the Best fumble looked like an aberration from his game, but he’s young, he’s going to make mistakes. Hill is going to make some mistakes that are going to be costly. Not because he’s not playing to his potential, but because he’s backup quality and doesn’t have enough experience with this team at this point.

Now, these same players will certainly have a higher potential later in their careers (hell, probably later this season), but right now, they’re playing their hardest, and that’s a good thing. Its just not good enough right now.

by simscity on Oct 4, 2010 2:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'll agree with Drew on this one sims.

I do not expect a perfect game with no turnovers and no penalties, but three turnovers and 100 yards in penalties, plus a less than mediocre game from the D Line [our strongest unit] is not what I would call playing to our potential.

I think we can agree that that was our best game of the year, but the first half was really pretty terrible; two turnovers, three sacks given up, twenty-one points against, at least seventy of the hundred yards in penalties. It is pretty amazing that we were only down by seven points.
The second half was pretty close to what I would call our potential although the Lions were not good in the red zone [4 FGs only].

by NorthLeft12 on Oct 4, 2010 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I do see your point about the mistake being BECAUSE of talent

That makes sense. But some of the mistakes were by veterans like Peterman, KVB and Cherilus. Those are mental lapses that can/should get cleaned up some.

by DrewsLions on Oct 4, 2010 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

the rams beat

the Skins and the Seahawks. Two inconsistent teams to say the least but they are wins and can not be discounted. Both wins were solid thunpings.

We had better have our game faces on. It is going to be a fight.

Lions fans deserve better than being the laughing stock of the NFL. Lets all hope they are heading in the right direction finally.

by joshsun on Oct 4, 2010 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree....

but I also think that the two teams they beat, we would also have beat. The teams we have played are all solid teams. Like I said above, if we give the effort we gave to the Packers to the Rams next week… we win.

by DrewsLions on Oct 4, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

We will win the Rams owe us

They would have had a 0-16 season if it wasn’t for us.

by LeyandsMarlboros on Oct 4, 2010 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Rams have played three home games so far....

…and their games to date: Arizona, at Oakland, Washington, and Seattle. Don’t get me wrong…they are doing what they have to do to win and I give them full credit for that, but don’t you wish we had our first four games against that group with three at home?

by NorthLeft12 on Oct 4, 2010 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I do...

What do you think our record would be?

by DrewsLions on Oct 4, 2010 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

honestly?

They would beat AZ, @Oak and Seattle…even with Hill.

Washington always seems to beat us….so call it 3-1

by Thorpac on Oct 5, 2010 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions  

Team did not play to its potential !!

They played maybe 80% to its potential. All of those penalties, injuries we have, guys playing not 100%, players in a new system for their first year here and Stafford on the sideline is NOT playing to our full potential. Also all of these close games to teams in the North were home games. We will win at home for sure with a healthy team if they stop with the penalties. How many games have we had with Stafford, Burleson, Best, CJ, KJ, Pettibest and Scheffler all 100% healthy and with a couple of games under their belt to get comfortable with each other…none. How about Delmas, Levy, Smith and Houston all playing the full game together and being 100% healthy…none again. Untill that happens and these guys have a little more time to gel after getting healthy, I am not fully judging them since we still have not seen what we really have.

by Joey-P on Oct 4, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

can't blame injuries

I’m sorry, but the injury excuse is lame. It would be ridiculous to expect Delmas, Levy, Smith, Houston, Stafford, Burleson, and Best all to be 100% at any point in the season. That’s not how football works.

I’d say (and I realize I’m pulling this number out of my behind) at any point in the season 70% of a starting lineup in the NFL is “100%” healthy.

I’m just saying that at this point in each players’ career, this team is playing to it’s full potential. Mistakes are going to happen, and that’s because this team is young and raw. These same players in week 12 could have a completely different level of talent with the experience behind them, but at this point in their careers, they’re playing as well as they can.

by simscity on Oct 4, 2010 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with sims.......a lot.

Our injury situation is actually looking a lot better than most teams I think. It just sucks that Stafford is out. The other injuries are actually not that bad and most teams are dealing with much worse. I like getting these guys back [Burleson, Staff, Levy] after the Bye week and doing some damage in the last ten games.

by NorthLeft12 on Oct 4, 2010 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

You can't look past the injuries though either, Sims

Especially the one to Stafford. That is a season-changing injury as is the one to Levy. You have to at the least take it into consideration….

by DrewsLions on Oct 4, 2010 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

I do not think the Levy injury is having as big an impact as most Lions fans.

Now if Delmas was not playing, that would be huge for this defence. IMO.

by NorthLeft12 on Oct 4, 2010 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

don't get me wrong

Week 1, I was almost as devastated when Stafford went down as I was when the ending of that game happened.

But when you look at what Shaun Hill has done, the dropoff hasn’t been as bad as I was expecting. Lets not forget that Stafford still doesn’t have a full season under his belt, and the offense wasn’t really moving when he was in the game against the bears.

by simscity on Oct 4, 2010 10:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great as always, Drew

Love that story about your son, I would have been absolutely beaming in that situation. Kids really do the darndest things, don’t they? Can’t wait for the day my kid is old enough to break down game tape.

Keep up the good work, big guy.

by motown313 on Oct 4, 2010 12:47 PM EDT reply actions  

One of the few times I'm gonna disagree with you

The Bears and Eagles games were ones that the Lions truly deserve praise for being in…this one they deserve a ton of heat for not winning. Green Bay pretty much handed the game to them on a plate with that fumble and what do we get? a field goal. Penalties absolutely killed them. The running game could’ve been better, and as good of a game as Pettigrew had, he still dropped a couple of key, easy passes.

You can look at it as a team “learning to win”, but they looked more like a team that made too many mental errors to offset great play from others.

The beginning of the end of the misery

by Latif Masud on Oct 4, 2010 1:22 PM EDT reply actions  

It's cool, but...

I wouldn’t say that they deserve “a ton of heat”. Maybe a little. I thought it was a gutsy performance against a much better team on the road. It was a bit of a statement to the rest of the league that while we are still not great, we can’t be taken lightly anymore. I heard many analysts reverberate this same notion all day yesterday. I agree that we shot ourselves in the foot (thus the title of the post), but I think they are due some credit for overcoming mistakes to take this one down to the wire.

by DrewsLions on Oct 4, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Totally agree with you on Pettigrew

I’ve been a supporter of that pick since around 5-10 minutes after that pick was made (had to wait for the initial shock of an intelligent pick to sink in). All I ask from people is to be fair when assessing him. Vernon Davis flat out SUCKED his first 2 or 3 years. Pettigrew is light years ahead of most TEs at this point in his career (less than a full season of experience). On top of that, most stud TEs can’t block a lick like Pettigrew can. He just has to quit the crucial brainfarts…
I really thought the Lions were going to get blown out and I’d be watching RedZone at the start of the 2nd qtr for the rest of the day. The Lions are going to be the spoiler for a few teams in the later half of the season. I’m sticking with my 5-11 projection.

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by JazzyBBP on Oct 4, 2010 1:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Five wins?

I just don’t know if the Lions are going to get 5 wins. Maybe, possibly, if Stafford gets healthy quickly and plays lights out as soon as he gets back, but we will have to wait and see.

by damnitdamnitdamnit on Oct 4, 2010 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

I don't mind the Pettigrew pick

but right now, I’m not particularly fond of his play. I can see that he could be a great TE in this league, but he has had 4 absolutely killer drops in the past 2 games. And while his stat line looks good despite those drops, great TEs don’t fail the team on 3rd down.

Now, he’s still very young, so I’m not going to rag on him for being horrible, but obviously these drops can’t continue.

by simscity on Oct 4, 2010 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

+1...I feel ya...but just take a breath on him for a bit. Why?

The guy cares deeply. You see his face after a drop? It looks like he’s getting a prostrate exam right on the field. He’s deeply ashamed he didn’t make the play. I say anyone that cares that much will do everything in his power to improve.

by delusional on Oct 4, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed

it’s just hard not to be as frustrated as he is when it happens.

Like I said, he’s still young. This is the first time we’ve really relied on him for anything, so there’s bound to be bumps in the road.

by simscity on Oct 4, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

one of those drops this last game

was a great play by the defender. Yeah, he should have still caught the ball but you have to give some credit to the defender. He got his hand in there and made the catch extremely difficult.

Lions fans deserve better than being the laughing stock of the NFL. Lets all hope they are heading in the right direction finally.

by joshsun on Oct 4, 2010 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

true

but we’re not here to talk about Green Bay, are we?

haha.

by simscity on Oct 4, 2010 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

well, i am trying to be fair on the evaluation of his drops.

Lions fans deserve better than being the laughing stock of the NFL. Lets all hope they are heading in the right direction finally.

by joshsun on Oct 4, 2010 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I recced you joshsun regarding the one "drop".

I believe that was the second one and I saw what you saw….the defender getting his hand in and pulling the ball loose.

The first one was a great throw by Hill [his best of the game I thought] and Grew did everything right except that the ball came loose when he hit the ground. He had it pulled into his body and turned in the air to land on his side/back so I was really surprised it came loose. He will do better.

by NorthLeft12 on Oct 4, 2010 4:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed... neither were easy catches.

Last week was different. I thought against Green Bay he was a stud.

by DrewsLions on Oct 4, 2010 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Thanks north

I have a bit of a Video photographic memory. Certain plays I can roll them back in my mind over and over. Until you replied here I was doubting was I was seeing in my head.

Yeah, I think you were right, the one i was talking about was the second drop. If he had caught that, it would have been an amazing catch. He will catch those in the future. He is so damn strong. He just has to maximize that strength in catching balls, creating a little more space, ect ect

Lions fans deserve better than being the laughing stock of the NFL. Lets all hope they are heading in the right direction finally.

by joshsun on Oct 4, 2010 4:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

Drew and Pettigrew sitting in a tree....

Couldn’t disagree with you more about Pettigrew. I think he is playing lights out and playing like a first rounder should, but none of that changes the fact that our O-line is still sub par, and nobody can deny the fact that Stafford is out. O-U-T out. It doesn’t do any good to surround the face of the franchise with weapons if he isn’t on the field to use them.

by damnitdamnitdamnit on Oct 4, 2010 2:43 PM EDT reply actions  

You guys should be thrilled right now. I know that sounds crazy sitting at 4 and 0 but lets get real here..

This team is energized and really trying to win. Of course a team that has had several horrible seasons is going to sputter on their way to the top from time to time. The penalties and such are just part of the growing pains. But at least you have GROWING pains and not just pains like years past.

You guys are playing great ball right now with a few expected errors along the way. Enjoy the ride fellows, it is only up from here. Really this type of amazing progress is all you could have hoped for if you are realistic, but make no mistake about it, this team is on the rise and quickly at that.

You have a lot to look forward to now. Your so close now that everyone around the league can taste it for you. CHIN UP LADS. Believe!!!! Nothing but good improvement is happening in Detroit right now.

by krayfish on Oct 4, 2010 3:29 PM EDT reply actions  

typos happen

Around here, a post here would not be complete without one!

thanks for the vote of support.

Lions fans deserve better than being the laughing stock of the NFL. Lets all hope they are heading in the right direction finally.

by joshsun on Oct 4, 2010 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Glimmers of hope

after this game. Gotta hand it to Hill for stepping up and playing like he wanted to win. I wonder if the unacceptable number of penalties suggests the players are showing some passion and are taking chances or are exhausted/injured and making mental mistakes.

by OregonEmigrant on Oct 4, 2010 3:57 PM EDT reply actions  

This was the best loss i could have hoped for.

I really feel with Stafford uninjured we would have won. And against the Packers! my brother is a huge pack fan, and it took him down a few pegs. seeing Shaun Hill drive down the field was great! I think this time is about to reach out and take the win.
They didn’t win, but it really was the second next best thing (a tie would have been wild!)

by Shomes on Oct 4, 2010 4:12 PM EDT reply actions  

-1000 for the phrase "best loss".

From an entertainment standpoint this was a good game to watch for Lions fans more than Packers, but I really hate the idea that we as a fan base might be resigning ourselves to losing, and losing badly at that.

I don’t mean to put words in your mouth Shomes, but that is how I am reading your comment.

by NorthLeft12 on Oct 4, 2010 5:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Great read Drew, even thought the last but with the son was stricltly football, it was by far the best part of the story

Though a lot of people are going to look at me very funny right about now, I would not be surprised to see us go on a 5 game winning streak now. In fact I am even giving us a shot against the Pats on thanksgiving. Not only is it in our home field, but in the past even when we did suck we played well in these games, it was only the very recent past where we became laughable. I remember games against the 49ers and other good teams that we had no business of beating, heck even the Rams when they were the greatest show on Turf where we gave em hell. But the pats this year are struggling to find a running game and secondary. Their defense as a whole is very basic since they have so much youth on it.

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by Evilsmurf on Oct 4, 2010 6:03 PM EDT reply actions  

blah i butchered that

even though the last bit with the son was not strictly football, it was by far the best part

Ndamukong Suh - Bringing 50's football back to Motown!

by Evilsmurf on Oct 4, 2010 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I may be the eternal optimist.

The fact that Buffalo put up 30 points against the Patriots gives me a good turkey day feeling.

by JLUCK on Oct 4, 2010 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

And the Pats just destroyed Miami 41-13

This is such a weird year in the NFL, it is definitely the any given Sunday year if ever there was one. I am going to have to watch that movie tomorrow :) Followed by Remember the Titans, Friday Night Lights, and The Blind Side.

Ndamukong Suh - Bringing 50's football back to Motown!

by Evilsmurf on Oct 5, 2010 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Heck I might even watch The Replacements!

Ndamukong Suh - Bringing 50's football back to Motown!

by Evilsmurf on Oct 5, 2010 12:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Smurf:

I was seriously hoping for the Dolphins to dismantle them, just for our Thanksgiving game. I suppose that indeed does make me a fanatic! :(

by JLUCK on Oct 5, 2010 1:45 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hello!!

The so-called “bonus points” you speak of is the team LEARNING TO PLAY TOGETHER! They ARE young! Give them a break! I couldnt watch all the game for other commitments, but a friend of mine who did told me the calls against KVB were bogus! He said the offensive lineman flinched both times! Thats the kind of calls we are getting from the refs. Anyway, your post seems to contradict itself. You talk so negative about ZERO wins, yata yata; and then you come along and ADMIT that there IS SOME GOOD to come out of it all! Make up your mind! Is the bottom line NOW wins and losses or CONSISTENCY OF PLAY! THE WINS WILL COME!! Hold your horses!!

Sir Ronbomb

by Ronbomb on Oct 4, 2010 7:22 PM EDT reply actions  

Hello?

Not contradicting anything. I suggest you read it again. I am probably one of the most optimistic people on this site. Not sure where you get this “talking so negative” from? My guess is that you read the first two paragraphs then posted. Read the whole thing, then tell me if my post was optimistic or pessimistic.

My conclusion was this:

I have to admit that even though we are 0-4, I’m pretty excited for the rest of the season. I like our schedule down the stretch. I think that we have some winnable games and can still get between 5 and 7 wins this season. If nothing else, it’s going to be a fun ride watching these guys compete and grow together as a unit. I know that’s not nearly enough for some of you and I’m not saying that I’m content with that, but I’m a fan of football and I like seeing good, competitive games. I really think that the Lions can win their next two before the bye week, then who knows what happens from there. I’ll say this, we’ve played all three teams in our division and I’m scared of none of them. Neither are the Lions. Between Chicago and Green Bay, we lost by 6 points collectively. The next time we see these teams, it’s on our own soil. I wouldn’t be shocked to take all three of those divisional games the next time around.

Negative? Uh… try again.

by DrewsLions on Oct 4, 2010 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Drew

You are the most negative person on this site! I am constantly bashing my head against the proverbial wall trying to get you to see the light.

:P

Lions fans deserve better than being the laughing stock of the NFL. Lets all hope they are heading in the right direction finally.

by joshsun on Oct 4, 2010 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol

RIP Robyn Bailey 1961 - 2010. I love you mum.

by Hyperion Ecta on Oct 4, 2010 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

I know

Drew is such a downer. I wish he’d stop being so negative.

by LionInIowa on Oct 5, 2010 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

If Logan is better I am not sure by how much

The coverage is better and it helps anyone but I can see why Pit went Anonio Brown instead. Maybe its just me he seems good but far from a game changing premier return man. He will work for “now” but I wouldn’t stop looking.

GET WELL SOON MATT! We need ya man

by The Profiler on Oct 4, 2010 7:27 PM EDT reply actions  

I think the main thing I’ve seen out of him is the quickness and “want to” on returns. I may be the only one, but I’ve been watching him with the feeling that he may just break one soon.

You’re right that as of now he’s not a game changer (even though he came up with the fumble recovery, which has nothing to do with his return skills). Still, I think he’s an improvement over Derrick Williams on returns.

by JLUCK on Oct 4, 2010 7:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with Smurf

Think Logan is an above average return man. I’d love to see him in the run game sometime, he is a Harlon Hill trophy winner.

by LionInIowa on Oct 5, 2010 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

The lack of execution is really annoying

I was pretty darn happy with the game. I saw a lot of heart, effort and potential on the field. But we had our chances to put ourselves ahead in this game and we couldn’t manage it. I wanna see us execute plays in the redzone more often than we are. Hopefully we can put in the same amount of effort against the Rams. I don’t expect it to be an easy game either.

RIP Robyn Bailey 1961 - 2010. I love you mum.

by Hyperion Ecta on Oct 4, 2010 9:02 PM EDT reply actions  

Strange

Drew and I can watch the same game by Pettigrew and come away with opposite conclusions.

He believes Pettigrew is on his way to justifying his draft position.

I believe that Pettigrew may never justify his draft position (especially considering the actual needs of the team), and that the crucial dropsies that ’Grew keeps having are far more damning than the rest of the catches he actually makes.

by Big Z in Orlando on Oct 5, 2010 2:19 PM EDT reply actions  

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