Don't Expect Lions To Pursue Randy Moss
by Sean Yuille on Nov 1, 2010 6:12 PM EDT
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PrintAs soon as I found out Randy Moss was waived by the Vikings, my first thought was about if the Lions would put in a claim for him. After all, Moss has a connection from his first stint in Minnesota to Scott Linehan, and he has to be an upgrade over someone like Bryant Johnson, so at the very least I thought a move was possible. I didn't necessarily think it was all that likely, though, and I doubt anything will happen based on Jim Schwartz's answer to a question about Moss.
Schwartz said there are a lot of factors that go into building a team, including the roles that players will have and their presence in the locker room. "This isn't fantasy football,'' Schwartz said.
Just for entertainment purposes alone I sort of wish the Lions would make a move to acquire Moss, but as Schwartz said, this isn't fantasy football. On paper, having Calvin Johnson, Nate Burleson and Moss seems very intriguing, but there's more to it than that, so I don't fault the Lions if they don't pursue him. It is an interesting scenario to think about, though.
(For more on the Moss story, check out SBNation.com's StoryStream, which includes an explanation of the waiver wire process.)
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i'd love to see it but i don't moss would find us interesting
mayhew: randy, we were thinking about putting in a claim for you
moss: GFY
i think moss ends up in Miami or NE again.
STL or SD
Both teams are pretty banged up at WR. They could at least be candidates.
by Sasquatchcc on Nov 1, 2010 6:38 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Miami has said...
…they will claim Moss, if only to block NE from reacquiring him.
SD is an interesting thought.
that poll is alot closer than i thought it would be
figured there were way more people sayin NAY then YAY
I say Yay
at the very least. I think Moss has value to a few teams out there.
if the shoe fits...get another one just like it - George Carlin
This is Schwartz playing mind games
Moss is gunna come running out of the tunnel in blue and silver and Rex Ryan is going to shit his pants. :D
Interesting
Lets try something, pick-up Moss to play against the Jets, then cut him. The next team scheduled to play the Jets picks him up…. and so on….and so on!
Word... Its only 380,000/game...
Put him in as a Punt returner and make him play….LMAO!
by CLF on Nov 2, 2010 9:42 AM EDT up reply actions
We...
could only hope for such a thing to happen. Unlike Minnesota, we have a quarterback who can throw the deep pass to Randy Moss. At worst, we could work a sign and trade, but I say keep him, use him.
Randy Moss wouldn't be good for the Lions
Moss is too influential to be in the locker-room. His skill set is overall skill set is pretty mehh for the contract he wants. He doesn’t run a very diverse route tree either.
It wouldn’t be very mayhew of the lions to sign him.
the contact he wants????
Hell get that some where else next year. It would 1/2 season rental
I don't understand the risk vs. reward here
Best case scenario he adds a good offensive weapon to an already dynamic offense. Worst case scenario he pulls the shit he did in Oakland and possibly soils a lot of what the Lions have already built.
Suh for DROY!
I say yes cause I hate BJ and I just don't think the are willing to play Dwheelz
I can understand why the wouldn’t though
You can't keep the Pain Train off the tracks!
Me fail english thats umpossible
yes they should
Come on he’s a big up grade to bryant. Pay him the rest of year and let him go in free agency next year. Shouldnt cost no draft pick. And at least keeps the competiton from getting him.
There are a couple of things
Whoever claims him is on the hook for his salary .. approx 3 Mill or so left for the year .. not like someone thought in the other post that we can release him and Minn pays him … He might not be a bad influence on our guys since they have matured BUT he can be a cancer to the locker room …
Only plus is the team claiming him doesn’t lose draft picks .. Consider his pay per game vs his use .. and Espn said he is not a good route runner .. a vertical threat, yes .. but not a good route runner ..
And we can’t claim n trade him .. and forget abt Franchise Tag .. that may or may not be around next year …
Imagine game-planning for Calvin and Moss............
Yea it would be a nightmare for Defensive Coordinators, but I know the Lions wont go for him.
really?
I thought the waiver system was based on the record of the previous year. Does that change when the trade deadline passes?
After week 3
That ends.
After the trade deadline passes, the waiver wire opens up from 4th year and earlier players, to every player.
And tiebreakers don’t matter, only the aggregate W/L of your schedule matters.
I don't want Moss.
we need people that can lead. Though talent wise he’s a great fit.
More tellingly.
We don’t need people that can lead.
We need people that can FOLLOW. And Randy Moss’s definition of the word follow is “the offense follows Randy Moss”.
Wow
Daily Norseman is going to need relief from the Red Cross or something. It’s like they just got kicked square in the junk. Only a matter of time before we get commercials from TV personalities asking us to text 84848 to BRETT to donate ten dollars.
Naahh.
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Mayhewed
Why the heck wouldn’t we pick him up? Mayhew could trade him to a team who needs him for a playoff push. Shoot, he could probably deal him to Dallas for a 1st, 3rd, and 5th.
Moss is ineligible for trading.
Without the Franchise tag, Moss will be a free agent after this year, no team that picks him off waivers will be able to keep him for possible trade bait.
he means this year. Claim him and immediately trade him. It’s a bad idea and it won’t work, but it’s possible.
MASN Announcer: "Ususally they have what they call here 'the privilege,' and that's what bobby cox calls it when he let's the veteran guys swing away on 3-0. This is not such a hitter."
Jason Heyward: Single up the middle, ballgame.
passed
DrewsLions was right and I was wrong. Stafford did in fact post a QB rating better than 89.7, he put up a 90.2 rating. I have not been happy about being wrong in so long!
I tihnk a good spot he may end up is Denver
only becuase McDaniles is the HC and he was his OC when he was in NE. Other than maybe the Browns becuase Sherman coached against him and Mangini was in NE also. The other one is Carolina only becuase he would compliment Smith nicely although i dont think thier egos could handle.
There’s a huge downside to getting moss and only moderate upside. If he was a future hall of fame corner, safety, or linebacker, I might be inclined to pick him up.
MASN Announcer: "Ususally they have what they call here 'the privilege,' and that's what bobby cox calls it when he let's the veteran guys swing away on 3-0. This is not such a hitter."
Jason Heyward: Single up the middle, ballgame.
You should see
what the Vikings fans are saying about Childress, it is pretty funny. Check out the Daily Norseman.
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No Way!
You know if we had that old lady linebacker running the Lions, they would pick him up for sure. Probably trade all next years picks for him, what a knuckle head. Moss will probably go to a team back in the AFC. GO LIONS!!!!
Schwartz said there are a lot of factors that go into building a team, including the roles that players will have and their presence in the locker room. "This isn’t fantasy football,’’ Schwartz said.
This is one of the problems I have with Schwartz. That sort of comment comes off to me as snooty and condescending. You are right Schwartz, this is not fantasy football. This is professional football and like it or not, one of the most dynamic receivers of the last 10 years just became available for nothing but a waiver claim. Comparing this situation to fantasy football suggests fans should just keep to their little pretend leagues and stay out of his business. Guess what Jimmy boy, you don’t have a job without the fans.
"The true sign of intelligence is not knowledge but imagination." – Albert Einstein
DrewsLions was right and I was wrong. Stafford did in fact post a QB rating better than 89.7, he put up a 90.2 rating. I have not been happy about being wrong in so long!
I'd be hesitant.
About taking a comment like “This isn’t fantasy football,” at face value.
Quotations in news articles are always suspect without the context of the exact quotation.
Well…it’s not fantasy football. A team isn’t just the sum of stats. He’s not being snooty, he’s being truthful.
MASN Announcer: "Ususally they have what they call here 'the privilege,' and that's what bobby cox calls it when he let's the veteran guys swing away on 3-0. This is not such a hitter."
Jason Heyward: Single up the middle, ballgame.
What he is doing is flat out dismissing a question
DrewsLions was right and I was wrong. Stafford did in fact post a QB rating better than 89.7, he put up a 90.2 rating. I have not been happy about being wrong in so long!
He was dead on with that comment.
Too many times on this site people cannot get past what players used to do or what the media says they can do and then they pimp for them shamelessly. There is more to building a football team than looking at a player’s measureables from the past and assume he will do it here.
Does he fit our system? Any character concerns? Leadership abilities?
There is more at stake here than a waiver claim. A move like this points the franchise in a direction against everything that Mayhew and Schwartz are trying to build here.
Keep speaking your mind Schwartz.
by NorthLeft12 on Nov 2, 2010 6:00 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I could not disagree more.
Does he fit our system? Absolutely. We have no need for our #2 to be a flat route receiver, we have Best, Smith and our two TEs for level 1. CJ has shown he has no problems being a dominant force in the second level. Randy Moss is the perfect field stretcher to draw teams off the blitz and give tough decisions on double teams.
Any character concerns? Sure, he’s had past incidences. But he’s also got a genuine heart. Adam Jones has character concerns too, but he’s matured and came into his own, and I know the Bengals are hurting with him on IR now, and I almost wish the Lions had pulled the trigger on making him an offer this year.
Leadership abilities? You’re on crack if you don’t think Randy Moss has leadership abilities. He was basically credited with the spark that created the Vikings comeback victory over the Cowgirls just last week. He is as much a positive and negative force on the field as he is off the field.
I don’t get it. Everyone sees Randy Moss as a cancer and talks about character flaws. Roethlisberger has huge character flaws but he is undoubtedly a leader on his team. Randy Moss is not TO or Chad Johnson. When Randy Moss shows up, Randy Moss is a good thing. When TO or Chad show up, they’re still TO and Chad.
If the Lions can draw some faith out of Moss and Moss actually shows up for us, Moss would be a fabulous addition to this team. And I would absolutely trust Mayhew, Schwartz, and Linehan to get the best out of him.
I could not disagree more. At every level.
We have a deep threat, big physical reciever. Moss has shown that he does not play hard when he is not the focus. He will not be the focus here.
He does not block. We want our WRs to block.
Here is ProFootballFocus’ take: http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2010/11/01/randy-moss-dont-say-we-didnt-warn-you/
He is the last WR I want to see have any influence on Calvin. I am talking about what he does on the field, not off the field issues.
He has shown what kind of effort level he puts out when a team is not doing well [RAIDERS]. He quit on them.
He will be a distraction from the development of the Staff/Calvin connection. Staff has enough good targets now, our offence does not need another guy who demands/needs the ball to add any value.
When Randy Moss shows up, Randy Moss is a good thing
And therin lies the problem. Randy doesn’t show up very often.
Moss looks like someone who has lost interest in being the best WR in football anymore. He was rejuvenated in New England in 2007, then steadily declined from that stellar year. Could he recapture that attitude? Possibly. But I think he needs a QB who commands his respect, and can deliver him the ball on a regular basis. Staff is not that QB……yet. I think Peyton Manning or Tom Brady are the only two QBs in the NFL who could motivate him…….temporarily. And yet, New England traded him, and gave his spot to a second year WR/KR. What does that say about him?
The 2010 Lions do not need Randy Moss. He is a luxury that we may regret picking up in the long run. We need more young, hungry, talented players at virtually every position. I would love to see the Lions draft another WR next year to replace Bryant and/or DWilliams. If AJ Green was available when the Lions picked, I think he would be tough to pass on if we were drafting the BPA. I don’t think the Lions will be in that position though.
And finally, Linehan and Schwartz have enough on their plate without adding a high maintenance prima donna. I want this team to move forward, for the long term. Moss showed in Minnesota that he could not get it together for a talented team that was looking to him for a spark and leadership to get it rolling back to the playoffs. IMO, Moss saw that Favre was not the Favre of old, and that Minnesota was not going anywhere, and he Raidered them.
Say what you want about Childress [I agree he is not a good coach] but he seems to be getting supported by the organization if not the players [I don’t know that part of it] on releasing Moss.
Too many ifs on getting Moss to play at a high level. I want players who are self motivated. And I suspect that Mayhew and Schwartz do too.
Randy Moss shows up
10 seasons of 1000 yards, 2nd all time. 153 TDs, Seems to me like someone who shows up. People give recivers like TO and Moss no credit for what they do. they might talk to much sometimes but they show up on the field. just look at the stats. I don’t think Randy is a good fit in detroit simply because he will not be around next year to grow with this young team. The lions are not making a push for the superbowl, and should focus on young players they can build on for years to come. That said, respect what Moss has done in this league, and what he is still capable of.
moss is capable of a whole lot, but his time in oakland showed that if he doesn’t feel like playing, you’re not getting what he’s capable of.
MASN Announcer: "Ususally they have what they call here 'the privilege,' and that's what bobby cox calls it when he let's the veteran guys swing away on 3-0. This is not such a hitter."
Jason Heyward: Single up the middle, ballgame.
by telemakhos on Nov 2, 2010 9:26 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I respect what he did. But I don't expect him to repeat those performances now.
LINK: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MossRa00.htm
Yes, he has some pretty great numbers. But it seems obvious to me that his heart is no longer in the game. Why has he been “dumped” by two teams? New England looks like they could be in the hunt for the Super Bowl this year. Why would they trade a player who could help them get there for a draft choice? Does that make sense to you?
Why is Minnesota dumping him when they are desperate for WRs and are in a position where they must win at least seven,if not eight, games to get in the playoffs? Do you think that Moss can help them win those games? Apparently the Vikings don’t.
I don’t know what Moss is capable of. I just know that two teams in just over a month have dumped him and gone with a much lesser talented WR at his position. That says a lot to me. What does that say to you?
It says they don't want to pay him.
The pats would love to have him, they just dont want to pay him, or anyone not named Tom Brady. If the pats gave him the money he wanted he would still be in New England. The pats are notorius for stockpiling draft pics and turning them into gold. And the vikings needed something to save there season and playoff hopes. once they found out he couldent fix the team, and they would have to pay him, they let him go.
Why does anyone have to pay him?
The Pats could have let him play out the year then cut him loose in the off season. Are you implying that Randy, Mr. Lead by example, Moss might not put out his best effort if he was not extended now? Oh perish the thought!
The Vikings “cut” him because he “could not fix the team”? If he can’t help the Vikings, who need WRs in the worst way, how can he help us? At least we have Calvin and a couple other good targets.
You have just proven why the Lions should not touch him with a ten foot pole. Even his supporters admit that Moss will not play unless everything is done to his satisfaction.
The pats traded Moss because they knew what kind of contract Moss wanted and they had not intention of giving it to him. So they got a 3rd rounder out of it. It has nothing to do with Moss. That is how NE works.
The Queens waived him for a myriad of reasons. IMHO, the number one reason is because Chilly if out of his freaking mind. He has that team in such an alarming state of confusion, I am amazed he still has a job.
Bottom line, we paid Nate to be a 2nd receiver and if you look at his numbers. He is not getting the job done.
19 catches for 176 yards at 9.3 yards a catch, longest being 26 yards with 2 TDs.
Those are not number two receiver numbers after 7 games.
DrewsLions was right and I was wrong. Stafford did in fact post a QB rating better than 89.7, he put up a 90.2 rating. I have not been happy about being wrong in so long!
bah,
They had no intention
DrewsLions was right and I was wrong. Stafford did in fact post a QB rating better than 89.7, he put up a 90.2 rating. I have not been happy about being wrong in so long!
Just to be fair, Nate was injured for a while
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yeah
Even considering the missed games, are those numbers of a #2 receiver to you?
To me, hell no.
DrewsLions was right and I was wrong. Stafford did in fact post a QB rating better than 89.7, he put up a 90.2 rating. I have not been happy about being wrong in so long!
give nate a chance i say....
he missed 3 games and then with Shaun Hill starting he seemed to love his TE’s and then CJ but with Staff at the helm I am willing to wait on Nate before passing judgement.
So the Patriots give up an elite WR for a third round pick and put a second year KR in his spot when they are in the race for a Super Bowl?
The Pats have plenty of picks. Doesn’t that move speak volumes about not only the Pats, but their estimation of Moss’ value to their team?
I know the Pats think way forward, but they obviously thought they could replace Moss fairly easily. And they did. With Brandon Tate and Deion Branch.
Nothing is more important than thinking forward for the Pats
Nothing.
The only player on that team that is safe is Brady. Everyone else is expendable. Their history shows that clearly. They traded a pro bowl DT to the Raiders for a first rounder.
This has nothing to do with Moss’ skill. This is about getting something while they could for a player they had no intention of signing for the kind of money that player wanted.
DrewsLions was right and I was wrong. Stafford did in fact post a QB rating better than 89.7, he put up a 90.2 rating. I have not been happy about being wrong in so long!
My point is that the Pats obviously did not value Moss very highly.
Belichick is not a fool. He would not trade away an important piece of a Super Bowl team for a third round pick. Thus, Moss is not important to the current success of the Patriots. His skill set is easily replaced by players of lower pay and with none of the on the field negatives.
The Seymour trade was about money too.
While everyone high fives Cheatin’ Bill, I will point out that he is selling out the present while he has one of the best ever QBs. I understand the long term value of doing what he is doing but consider that he has a virtually irreplaceable player [uhhh that would be Tom Brady] and he seems to be content with getting into the playoffs every year, instead of trying to add the last few pieces that could make this team a Super Bowl favourite.
The clock is ticking.
Best record in the NFL, if that is trading away the present for a better future. I am down with it.
How can you sit here and say he is only concerned about getting into the playoffs. Oh and BTW, once you are in the playoffs anything can happen.
He is rebuilding a team, that was the one of the oldest in the league last year and is now one of the youngest, on the fly and still winning consistently.
It has also been made clear that the Pats would claim Moss off wavers if he made it to them.
I just can’t see what you point is here. That the Pats let him go so he must be worthless? That has already been proven wrong. This has nothing to do with Moss’ skill set falling off. He still commands double teams everywhere he goes. The Pats traded him because another team was desperate and ready to pay nicely for it with a 3rd round draft pick for a player that was going to be gone after the season anyhow.
Its amazing, we praise Mayhew for moves like this but you can’t give Bill any credit.
I will say this again. No player on his team is safe except Brady. If bill can move you for more than your value. You will be moved.
DrewsLions was right and I was wrong. Stafford did in fact post a QB rating better than 89.7, he put up a 90.2 rating. I have not been happy about being wrong in so long!
If we were a legitimate Super Bowl contender, I would not support a long term move like this.
Let me say this again, Tom Brady one of the best QBs of all time, will be 34 next year. His window of superior play is closing. They will not replace him with another third round pick. The Pats already had five picks in the top 100 in 2011 [Two first, two second, one third, and a [currently] early fourth round pick]. Just think about what value that pick for Moss would add. Incremental.
If you trade away your #1 WR mid season, knowing you could not adequately replace him, you would be harming your current team. A team with the best record in the NFL and a chance to win the Super Bowl. A damn good chance at that. Brady may only have a few more years before he decides to quit or begins to see his level of play deteriorate. It happens to all of them eventually. And to take away weapons from an All Pro QB in his late prime for a future role player? Starter? Nobody? Makes little sense.
But that is my point joshsun. Bill knew Moss was not important. Bill knew he could easily replace him. Bill knew he was not hurting his current team by trading him. In fact, Bill probably thought he might be improving his team by trading him. Both short and long term. So he did.
Belichick is not an idiot. He would not hurt his current team, a team with Super Bowl potential, to collect a third round draft choice. That is beyond foolishness.
To me Belichick has demonstrated that there are plenty of other players who could fill Moss’ shoes, and do it without negatively impacting his offence’s performance.
That’s why Moss is not worth signing.
I just do not see it that way
Moss was starting to cause some noise in the press over his lack of an extension. Billy knew he was going to be gone after the season and knew Moss needed the Pats more than the Pats needed him. So, Billy traded him off for a 3rd rounder while he was still worth something. Do not be mistaken, if Moss made it to NE on the wire, they would take him back without a second thought. Moss is now realizing how great he had it in NE.
This is the important part. NE does not need players. Players need NE. It is a privilege to play in NE. That is why Vets go there to end their careers on a cheaper dime. Moss lost sight of that and that was what killed the remainder of this season for him and NE.
We all saw that in Moss with his post game presser. He never knew how good he had in in NE.
Moss was traded because he was on the way out already, had value and was starting to make noise in the media.
I honestly think that Billy believes that the system is far more important than the players. You can see that being the truth because even with Cassell leading them a couple years ago, they won 11 games I think.
DrewsLions was right and I was wrong. Stafford did in fact post a QB rating better than 89.7, he put up a 90.2 rating. I have not been happy about being wrong in so long!
by joshsun on Nov 2, 2010 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I recced you, but I partly disagree with you.
The Pats, like any NFL team, need playmakers and leaders. There really is no such thing as a system. The more playmakers you have, the better your chances at winning. Bill is building a young deep base of talent so that no one player [outside of Brady] is irreplaceable. The Steelers are similar as they routinely let players go that are Pro Bowl talent. They just plug in another young guy [especially at Linebacker] and move on. Harrison, Polamalu, and Roethlisberger are probably the only “untouchables/irreplaceables” right now. Everyone else? Don’t let the door hit you on the way out. They just don’t seem to trade them. They let them go when their contracts are up.
The Patriots mold is to move on from veterans while they have value, and churn in younger talent with the aquired draft picks.
There is nothing wrong with Richard Seymor or Randy Moss. They are both great players with a good year or two left in the tank. In some ways the Patriots do well with their strategy, but as a fan of the game I am not so sure it is the right way to go.
Would you all have rather traded Barry Sanders away a year before he retired? How would you all feel if we traded him to the 49ers to help them win another super bowl? While I understand the value of the moves for the organization, for the bottom line win column. I also see it as pretty cold and inhumane.
It reminds me of a play I read years ago, for a school project, Death of a Salesman by Arthur Miller. The premise of the play was that a man is not an orange, you cannot just take the best part and then throw away the peel that is left when you are done.
While the cold hard truth is that it is the best way to go for a bottom line mentality, IMO it is not necessarily the right way to go. I think somewhere out there, there is a middle ground, where you can keep some aging veterans around, negotiated for a lesser salary, as role players and good depth.
At that point, if you at least make a reasonable offer to the veteran, and ask them to take a reduced role for the younger, up and coming, core talent and future of your team, at least you have given them an option. If they decide to move on, at that point you have done your due diligence, you have extended the olive branch, and it is on them, not you to decide if they are willing to accept the reality of it all.
Personally this is how I feel about Julian Peterson. I like the guy, he is our best line backer this year and is managing to play better this year than he did last year. However I do not feel he is worth what he is making. I would like to keep him around, but at a reduced cap hit. I feel the same way about Randy Moss.
I would love to see the Lions take the approach to have a good, stud, aging veteran on each unit to help mentor, and provide quality depth, at a reasonable price. The reasonable price is the hard part, but I think once the precedent starts to get set you will find guys that would rather stay in the game, even at a reduced role, than to retire. No idea if it can be Peterson or Moss, but I have hopes that we will find some of those kind of guys, ones that can still play, maybe not at their former levels, but still get it done.
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In my example presented above
Just like Brady would never be traded. Barry would be the one player you never trade.
I love loyalty to players. I think it is a great moral and personal point of view to have but it is not realistic in the NFL. Trading aging players when they are still valuable is the nature of the NFL. It suck but it is how teams that win operate. The Pats are in a cycle now that allows them to move those vets, use the picks received to draft replacements and allow the younger guys to step in and win.
I fully expect Mayhew to do this once the Lions find themselves in that same aging cycle. It will suck to see some of our favorite players go but I am not willing to sacrifice the future of our team just so a player can retire wearing our jersey.
I remember the response when Seymor was traded. People could not believe the Pats traded him and were just as surprised the Raiders gave so much to get him. I went over to the pats board and a lot of their fans were upset. Looking back now, I am sure the name Seymor is the last thing on their mind while their team is 6-1.
DrewsLions was right and I was wrong. Stafford did in fact post a QB rating better than 89.7, he put up a 90.2 rating. I have not been happy about being wrong in so long!
First of all
If you read my reply above I DON’T think the lions should pick him up in their current Situation. But every teams situation is different.
The Patriots are not going to pay a 33 year old reciver the millions he wants It made sence to strike while the Irons hot, and traded him for 3rd round draft pick, which is more then they would get for him at the end of the season. The will most likely Package that pick with other picks to move into the firt round and make their team younger and better for the future.
This is the last shot the vikings have at a superbowl. Farve will not be around next year, O line and D line Are getting old Sydney Rice Is hurt. Harvin was having migrain problems. It made sense for the vikings to trade for him.
Put youself in his shoes. He has one last shot at a big contract. He can still play and make a team better, hell Darius Heyward Bay probably makes more money then him. that would make me mad to.
How about we think like Mayhew and Schwartz?
We don’t want to pay him what Moss thinks he should be paid. He will be a distraction in the locker room and to the direction this team is going. I think we can all agree with that, right?
What does an uninspired, pissed off, mopey Randy Moss add to this football team?
They are trying to build an aggressive, hard nosed football team that has a young core with a sprinkling of high motor veterans to help lead and show this team how it is done and what it means to be an NFL professional.
I don’t care about Moss’ contract issues. He performed for New England for three years at that low contract, he should get them to pay him. Why should the Lions pay him for what he did for New England? Moss appears to be mad at the wrong target.
And finally, why did the Vikings give up so much and then dump him?
AGAIN
I DO NOT THINK RANDY MOSS IS A GOOD FIT FOR THE LIONS! All im saying is NE sent him away because they could get something in return and the vikings were very desprate to spark a team thats window for a superbowl is Closing if not shut already. (BTW the patriots are rumord to be interested in him again)
When I Look at the situaton like I think Mayhew and Schwartz would. I think He is to old and to expensive for the lions as they are team that is a year or two away and still developing young talent.
Look at teams like the Steelers, Chargers, Miami, the chiefs, and other teams that Are filled with vets and just need a little push. then Moss is the Perfect.
Yes I agree with you...for the most part.
The Chiefs are actually a very young team that Moss would not fit into at all. For different reasons you could say the same for the Steelers and Dolphins. You may have a point with the Chargers. Depending on what V. Jackson comes back like, Moss would look good running for a long Philip Rivers bomb.
And finally, why did the Vikings give up so much and then dump him?
Because Chilly is a delusional egomaniac.
Word coming out is that Ziggy Wolfe is pissed at chilly for the release.
DrewsLions was right and I was wrong. Stafford did in fact post a QB rating better than 89.7, he put up a 90.2 rating. I have not been happy about being wrong in so long!
For all the bad mouthing of Childress and his weird decision making....
…. the guy is an NFL Head Coach. He is not an idiot and is very aware of how all this is playing out in the media, with his team, with his owner, and with the fan base.
He is really sticking his neck out with this move, way more than he did by begging for Favre to return. He could easily lose his job because of this. And he has to know that. Something is really wrong, and i don’t think we have the full story…….yet.
he has lost his job regardless of what he does, i think getting rid of moss
is him saying I aint going down like no punk bitch
For all the bad mouthing of Childress and his weird decision making….…. the guy is an NFL Head Coach. He is not an idiot
Actually as far as NFL Head Coaches go, he is certainly inept at what he does. Idiot? Maybe not. Bereft of control over his players and completely invalidated and soon to be unemployed? Oh I think so.
I don’t want add player does not have blue collar mentality,
even if he is great player. Piston should not quit your job. - OK from J
The guy won 13 games last year as a head coach.
Took a shot with Favre, drafted Harvin when a lot of people thought that was a huge mistake, and almost made it to the Super Bowl. The guy was considered a genius last year.
I don’t disagree that he made some odd decisions last year [ie. letting Sharper and Birk walk;both ending up in the Pro Bowl] and his game management sucks, but it is hard to argue with the results.
Speaking of idiot coaches, I'll quote Rich Rodriguez
..Last year was last year
But I get your point. I think he’s dunzo in the now, but last year was impressive, we’re agreed on that.
I don’t want add player does not have blue collar mentality,
even if he is great player. Piston should not quit your job. - OK from J
Randy Moss still demands double team coverage.
So my guess is he is still a threat.
DrewsLions was right and I was wrong. Stafford did in fact post a QB rating better than 89.7, he put up a 90.2 rating. I have not been happy about being wrong in so long!
This was meant as reply to another post.
He was dead on with that comment. Too many times on this site people cannot get past what players used to do or what the media says they can do and then they pimp for them shamelessly. There is more to building a football team than looking at a player’s measureables from the past and assume he will do it here.
Does he fit our system? Any character concerns? Leadership abilities?
There is more at stake here than a waiver claim. A move like this points the franchise in a direction against everything that Mayhew and Schwartz are trying to build here.
Keep speaking your mind Schwartz.
by NorthLeft12 on Nov 2, 2010 3:00 AM PDT
Sir Ronbomb
He knows what he is saying ..
Stats make Fantasy FB owners win .. But A “Moss” on a team doesn’t mean a win … He is/can be more of a headache ..
It’s for them to decide benefit vs negatives .. and they will do what they think helps the team …
I love this coach … his attitude
I'm all for it
Claim Moss and let him play next to one of the best WR’s in the game in Calvin. Moss already knows the offense, and teams wont be able to double him all that often because of Calvin. He’d be happy enough to come here because he at least has a good relationship with Linehan and Burleson. If Moss looks good for the second half of the season, the Lions can even consider attaching some sort of tag on him after the season and try to work a trade.
Reading the Norseman
They seem to be insisting en masse that the reason Moss hasn’t produced there is that Childress is not targeting him.
Funny, I always thought progressions were handled by the QB after the snap. How was I to know old Brett had Childress in his headset. “Throw NOW! NOW!”
There’s plenty of evidence that Moss is taking the season off – short running routes, being lazy on field, being temperamental off it. The fact that they still want him there tells me a tremendous amount about how desperate they are for 2010, since they realize how little chance they have to do anything in 2011 and beyond.
[...]when Giants coach Steve Owen, a certified defensive genius, was asked how he planned to stop Nagurski, he said: "With a shotgun, as he’s leaving the dressing room."
Little upside, large downside
We’re not going to the playoffs and Moss would alter our whole offensive scheme to this point (unless he is striclty used as a dummy route runner and only targeted once in a while). Burleson would need to play less snaps, primarily being used in the slot and less two TE sets would be used with Scheff in, because if that was run, it would probably be Heller in blocking in a max protect scheme. Moss wouldn’t want to be here and he sure as hell wouldn’t want to be a role player in this offense. Megatron is our Moss, and even him can’t replace him…and where do we come up with 3mill extra for a half a season (with no real shot at playoffs)? if we have that dough, why did we not swing a trade (before the deadline) for a solid LB? Moss would be a winer and then be gone by offseason, meanwhile undermining two of the players we brought in (Burleson and Scheff) to be part of our 3-5 year plans…
RA
Err.
How do we not have a real shot at the playoffs?
I mean yeah, we’re not front runners, but it’s kind of skewed to say we don’t have a Shot at the playoffs.
we’ve already lost to the 3 other teams in our division and the NFC front-runners. Our shot at the playoffs is pretty much gone.
MASN Announcer: "Ususally they have what they call here 'the privilege,' and that's what bobby cox calls it when he let's the veteran guys swing away on 3-0. This is not such a hitter."
Jason Heyward: Single up the middle, ballgame.
How?
We play all 3 teams in our division again this year, and are not mathematically removed from a playoff berth.
The teams that make the playoffs are based on individual division records, losing to the NFC front-runners is irrelevent, because no NFC front runners are in our division.
You can say we probably won’t make the playoffs, or you can say our likely shot at the playoffs would be a wild card berth at best, but I don’t get how you can seriously say we don’t have a shot. Until a frontrunner in our division comes out, we still have a shot.
we are not mathematically eliminated, but we have lost to basically every decent team we’ve faced. I think this team is growing by leaps and bounds and I think we have a shot in most of the rest of our games, but even great teams don’t overcome a 2-5 record to make the playoffs.
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Jason Heyward: Single up the middle, ballgame.
Wow, so sick of hearing about the Vike"Drama Queens"
Who knows the real reason behind all of this mess, most likely Childress has lost his mind, but this also just seems like a huge publicity stunt. Like a Jersey Shore slut, the Queens can’t help not being in the center of attention. Now that they’re tied for last in the NFC North, they’re going to have to pull some really dumb shit to keep their name being whispered. I hope the Viking fans revolt and show that these kind of dumb moves aren’t acceptable of a NFL coach. You basically just gave the Pats a 3rd round pick for nothing.
Yeah, I’m slightly aggravated, because right before all of this shit went down, there was going to be a segment on “Restoring the Roar” on the NFL network dedicated to the Lions, who actually deserve some attention for their improvement. But like stay at home trophy wives, the NFL reporters get a whiff of some Vikqueen drama and all hell breaks loose.
As far as bringing Moss to the Lions… just don’t. Having a hall of fame WR seems nice… but given the way he played for the Vikings under a HoF quarterback like Favre, I think he will try to take the reigns of the team away from Stafford, who really needs to assert himself as a team leader.
Just my thoughts on it.
by Lions & Panthers Fan on Nov 1, 2010 10:43 PM EDT reply actions
Favre has been terrible this year
His rapidly decaying skills aren’t Moss’ fault. This is ALL on Childress. He cut Moss without consulting anyone in the front office. The guy puts up with all of Favre’s shit without so much as one bad word about him, but all of a sudden Moss is the problem with the Vikes — who have improved noticeably with Moss, since he commands double teams and opens things up for Harvin.
Moss probably won’t come here, and I would be worried about his locker room presence, but on the field? You can’t double-cover CJ AND Moss, and they both demand multiple defenders. Plus, Linehan knows exactly how to use him. Nobody would be able to stop our passing attack. Those two together (+ Pettigrew/Scheffler/Burleson/Best) would be SCARY, and Stafford going long to Moss would be a joy to watch.
"Detroit Bad Boys is full of HOMOS ,JACKASSES and NON-sports fans."
-ralphgoblue/thunder_god08
Err.
Did you really just say Brad Childress hasn’t said one bad word about Favre?
He basically crucified Favre to the national media.
I meant when he's been courting him the past two offseasons
Now that Favre is broken down he can tee off on him, but a still very talented Moss is somehow the problem with the Vikes.
"Detroit Bad Boys is full of HOMOS ,JACKASSES and NON-sports fans."
-ralphgoblue/thunder_god08
by Thom_not_Tom on Nov 2, 2010 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
SCREW MOSS
We dont need the head ache. this team is turning the corner with out that crybaby let someone else claim him. Childress is gone and Frazzer the DC takes over before Thanksgiving.
I say pick up Moss and here is why
Bryant Johnson is a mediocre WR that doesn’t have big play ability, drops alot of passes and doesn’t scare and defensive coordinators and the Lions are paying him $3,206,370 this year for that. Randy Moss is a future hall of famer with tons of big play ability and scares every defensive coordinator in the league just like Calvin Johnson does and the lions could get him for the rest of this season for a paltry 3.4 million. The bad rap that Moss has is that he dogs it on 50% of the plays he is in but that does NOT come from his teammates. His teammates all praise him and say he is a great teammate that works hard and is a leader in the lockeroom and in games. I say that his benefits outweigh his bad rap and the Lions should pick him up on waivers if it gets to them in the 6th spot. Could you all imagine Calvin Johnson on one side of the field, Randy Moss on the other side with Nate Burleson in the slot? Not to mention our 2 TE’s and 2 RB’s that also catch passes. Mathew Stafford would have a field day every sunday and would tear up every defense for the rest of the year. It’s scary to think about actually. I hope the Lions go for Moss with a vengeance if they get the chance. Just imagine it.
I don't think Moss is the same guy we seen in NE
Sure, he’d be an asset, and could be very dangerous in the slot, but I don’t see him wanting to play in the slot for the Lions. He’ll try to land himself somewhere he thinks can win a Superbowl I suspect.
RIP Robyn Bailey 1961 - 2010. I love you mum.
Go for it!
Shorts can make it abundantly clear to him that if he even farts in the locker room he gets cut. He has to know that if he gets cut by another team he’ll be something of a pariah in the league. There’s just too much upside not to go after him. Sure his presence would mean less 2 TE sets, np at all. As others have pointed out Burelson and Pettigrew would benefit from this bigtime!
I just don’t see there being that big of a risk to having him.
They say some people never go crazy.... what a boring life that must be!!
Randy Moss
It sure is interesting to think about.
If the front office feels he would play 100% every snap then absolutely you go out and get this guy, off waivers that is. It is a very low risk move since you can always just cut him if he is not playing hard.
IMO he will play hard wherever he ends up. He is in his last contract year and he wants one more shot at a super bowl. He needs to put good tape out there to convince a contender to pick him up this year.
I would put him outside as a number 2 behind Calvin and put Nate Burleson in the slot. I would cut Bryant Johnson to make the roster room. Do you really think Moss will catch less balls than B. J.? I certainly do not. The team that gets Moss is in the position of power with him. If he takes plays off you bench him, and that will really hurt his chances of getting on that contender next year.
I see this as a high reward low risk option. I also think that he would be valuable in helping to scout both the Jets and the Patriots. Also it would be sweet if we pick him up, and make a playoff run. He may actually stick around here for a couple of years. I also think he would be a good mentor to Calvin on technique and could really pay off on some long term dividends.
Just how sweet would it be to make a playoff run after picking him up and watching the Vikings sink into last place in the division. Oh yeah he can help us scout them too!
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all that with extra emphasis on CUTTING BJ
plus if he leaves, he leaves…. we are going to get someone this offseason cause BJ is garbage. its not like management is giving williams a chance so screw it bring moss in. i think Moss would benefit from not being number one and realize how easier it would be to play with big weapon CJ and he might just like to stick around…
Here is what I want in veteran free agent pick ups.
“I play football, so whatever the team needs me to do I’m going to go out there and try to do it well,” he said. “We get paid to play football, and that’s what I do.”
That’s Mo Morris after being switched to play special teams after the injury to Isaiah E. Now that is leadership and being a team player. I cannot imagine those words ever coming out of the mouth of Randy Moss.
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Morris is fighting for a job
and has been a carer back up. Randy moss is the second best reciever of all time. While I love the Attitude of Morris, I don’t blame Moss for wanting to get paid and feel like he is respected.
Was. Used to be. Has been.
The Lions should be interested in what players can do for them in the future. And not just this year. We don’t need a stop gap at WR that could be a huge distraction.
Again, this is not what Randy Moss has done in the past…..when the world revolved around him and the offences he played in were geared to getting him the ball deep. It is what he could do now in the Lions 2010 offence.
IMO he is just not worth the trouble and risk.
I Agree
The lions don’t need him, But he will be a hell of a pickup for some team on the fringe of winning the big game. The vikings picked him up to save there playoff chances but let him go when they realised they were not going anywhere this year. He is a hell of a player and will make a team better. But it has to be the right team.
What?
What is up with all of this infatuation with Randy Moss? Second best receiver of all time? Are you serious? WTF is going on, I feel like POD has been Bizarro world the last few days.
Yes, Randy Moss is very talented, even at his age. But calling a guy who gives solid effort half of the time the second greatest anything is a crock of shit.
Talent does not equal greatness, and I’m getting tired of hearing people compare Moss to the all time greats when he’s spent most of his career acting like a spoiled, immature brat.
/end rant
Dude...the stats don't lie.
Regardless of how you feel about Randy Moss’ character, and how you feel about his level of effort on the field, the fact remians that NOBODY except Jerry Rice has put up better stats over a career at WR in the NFL. Moss might take plays off, and he might be a jackass…but he has gotten it done over and over and over again. 7 pro bowls, 4 time first team all pro, 10 season with 1000+ yards receiving (out of 12…13 if you count this year), 153 career TDs, and 948 catches for 14778 yards.
Jerry Rice is an enigma…the guy played for 19 years in the pros. He was a 13 time pro bowler and a 10 time first team all pro. He had 1549 catches for 22895 yards and 197 TDs over a 19 year career. Take him out of the equation, and Randy Moss is #1 in NFL history by a large margin. There is no infatuation…he is just that good.
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The same thing goes for Mike Vick
Everyone wanted to pass judgment and eliminate the possibility of the Lions signing Mike Vick, just because of the dog fighting scandal…but look at him now. He makes Shaun Hill and Drew Stanton look like HS quarterbacks. When it comes to football, sometimes you have to look past the character and focus on the talent if you want to win.
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Ok...
Maybe he is not that much better than Hill…but the point is that he is just as good as Hill, if not better in some ways, and a lot of fans didn’t want him here because of off field issues. I just think it is stupid to judge a football player based on anything but his talent and ability to produce ON THE FIELD. It’s not like Randy Moss killed anyone or hurt anything but his own reputation.
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I understand
but I don’t know, I guess I have a somewhat old school ideology for what constitutes greatness, something I think that extends past raw numbers. I personally can’t rank someone who has put themselves before their team time and time again as the second greatest WR in the history of the game, but to each their own.
And for the record, I personally never had any issue with us signing Vick. He repaid his debt to society by spending two years behind bars, and he’s always been somebody who was well liked by his teammates. And ironically, he’s been the best thing to ever happen to dog fighting, because awareness of it is at an all time high and police are actually feeling pressure from communities to put a stop to it.
I agree with motown. There is a lot more to being the greatest whatever than just stats.
Jim Brown, Barry and Walter Payton are miles ahead of Franco Harris and Emmitt Smith as RBs IMO.
There are a few WRs who are much better than Randy Moss IMO.
Don Maynard, Lance Alworth, Paul Warfield, Charley Taylor, Fred Belitnikoff, Don Hutson, Elroy Hirsch. These guys played in eras with less games, and Cornerbacks were allowed to legally beat the crap out of them all the way down the field.
The yardage stats are horribly skewed to just guys from the last twenty-five years or so, and who hung around long enough to put up some big numbers.
Moss is in with those guys but I don’t know that he is a clear cut #2.
True
I respect the old School and what they did for the game. Moss might not be the clear cut second best player ever, there are to many factors to say anyone, at any position is the best ever. But what I dont understand is, in todays NFL, with all the shit players do off the field, Why do players like Randy Moss and T.O. get such a bad wrap?
I get that they don’t shut up, and they love them selfs, but they they produce on the field year in and year out, wherever they are. T.O. is top 10 in yards, TDs, and Receptions this year. Moss lead the league in TDs last year.
Lets face it, in todays NFL to many players drink and drive, are hoped up on roids and other drugs, rape and beat women, and take guns into nightclubs.
Both Moss and T.O. for the most part stay away from trouble off the field.
Hmmmm
The only way Moss would work would be for Suh to knock him on his ass as soon
as he walked in the locker room stating, “This is our team, not yours. You don’t toe
the line, get used to that position”. Moss is such an enigma. Tons of talent, no brain.
We would have been much better off getting T.O. than Moss.
Expectations don't produce!
Never.
would we ever benefit more from getting T.O. than Moss. At least Moss has shown to be a team player occasionally.
We can
agree to disagree. In suggesting T.O. would have been better, I meant this year specifically.
Owens can be a clown, Moss is a child. He would never fit in our front office’s scheme of
team chemistry. Maybe Owens wouldn’t either. I just prefer him over Moss.
Expectations don't produce!
Randy Moss Becoming a Lions
Let’s see , what is our record over the past 3 seasons, case made. Teams would have to pick their poison, Randy or Calvin. Saved that locker room chatter for good teams, the Lions are still not a good team. Granted they are making strives to become one but they have a history on passing on good players. Their defense would not be as it is know if they would have spent a few bucks on good available free agents. This organization has produced ONE playoff win in over 50 years and the one consistancy in the organization has been ownership. Its time for this ownership to give back to the fans by putting the best possible players on the field.
And a lot of you guys thought Shaun Rogers was a no good loafer.
At least Rogers played a physically demanding position and gave it his all when he was out there. Moss won’t block and will loaf if the ball is not coming his way. He has loafed with every team he has played for. He was the worst with the Raiders, a not very good team at the time. Why do you think he will suddenly have a epiphany here and turn over a new leaf?
The Lions owe us a team that will compete every week and will continue to improve, LONG TERM, until we win the Super Bowl. Randy Moss will not help us to do that.
I don't think he would be any different here,,,
But he is Randy Moss.
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Randy Moss is still a Viking
WR Randy Moss was not on the league’s waiver wire Monday, The Sports Xchange has confirmed. Multiple reports during the day said Vikings coach Brad Childress had informed the team Moss would be waived. Follow ups to the story said Childress made the move without first discussing it with the team’s management. Childress, by contract, has control over the team’s 53-man roster. In addition, reports say Moss wasn’t informed of the team’s decision. Moss was acquired by the Vikings in an Oct. 6 trade from New England for a third-round pick in the 2011 draft.
(Yahoo! Sports)
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WOW. What effing idiot would give Brad Childress contractual control over the roster?
Good update KDawg. Sounds like something is going to blow up in Minnesota very soon.
Am I missing something here? Detroit has a #1 receiver....
Calvin Johnson. Everyone knows that Randy Moss is NOT going to be happy unless you throw to him… A LOT. So where does that leave CJ? You don’t want CJ playing second fiddle to Moss and Moss won’t be happy playing second fiddle to ANYONE.
Pass on Moss, he’s not needed IMO.
"Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth" - Mike Tyson
Moss isn't going anywhere
But, if he were, it is not about WR1 and WR2. It is about giving all of your receivers a chance to make plays with the ball. We can’t (and never do) throw the ball to CJ on every play anyway. So why not have a guy like Randy Moss (the second best WR in NFL history, 2nd only to Jerry Rice) be one of your options. I saw guys just yesterday talking about how it is a team sport…it’s not a one man show.
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Larry Fitzgerald and Anquan Bolden
Made it to the super bowl on the same team. Both of them are #1 recivers.
That's irrelevant, neither of them is Moss....
Moss is a trouble maker when he doesn’t get his way. Everything I read indicates the Lions have good chemistry and attitude in the locker room. Why risk bringing in poison where the first time you take a loss and Randy didn’t get thrown to that much, he starts stirring the pot? There is a reason NE let him go.
"Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth" - Mike Tyson
by MusicCityDawg on Nov 2, 2010 1:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Quoting from myself above because it answers the question
Nothing is more important than thinking forward for the Pats
Nothing.
The only player on that team that is safe is Brady. Everyone else is expendable. Their history shows that clearly. They traded a pro bowl DT to the Raiders for a first rounder.
This has nothing to do with Moss’ skill. This is about getting something while they could for a player they had no intention of signing for the kind of money that player wanted.
DrewsLions was right and I was wrong. Stafford did in fact post a QB rating better than 89.7, he put up a 90.2 rating. I have not been happy about being wrong in so long!
Again you are answering the question joshsun.....Moss is not a valuable member of the Pats.
He got fired out the door for a third rounder because the Pats knew they could replace his contribution with their back up WR [B. Tate] and an available veteran [Branch].
If they could have got any additional value from him this year [a Super Bowl] they would have kept him and then traded him or let him go prior to the 2011 draft. But they knew he would not play hard and would be a huge distraction without that extension. So his value would be very low.
Moss is expendable and easily replaceable.
Again quoting myself from above.
Best record in the NFL, if that is trading away the present for a better future? I am down with it.
How can you sit here and say he is only concerned about getting into the playoffs. Oh and BTW, once you are in the playoffs anything can happen.
He is rebuilding a team, that was the one of the oldest in the league last year and is now one of the youngest, on the fly and still winning consistently.
It has also been made clear that the Pats would claim Moss off wavers if he made it to them.
I just can’t see what you point is here. That the Pats let him go so he must be worthless? That has already been proven wrong. This has nothing to do with Moss’ skill set falling off. He still commands double teams everywhere he goes. The Pats traded him because another team was desperate and ready to pay nicely for it with a 3rd round draft pick for a player that was going to be gone after the season anyhow.
Its amazing, we praise Mayhew for moves like this but you can’t give Bill any credit.
I will say this again. No player on his team is safe except Brady. If bill can move you for more than your value. You will be moved.
DrewsLions was right and I was wrong. Stafford did in fact post a QB rating better than 89.7, he put up a 90.2 rating. I have not been happy about being wrong in so long!
You all act like the Patriots aare immune from making mistakes.
The Patriots are a good organization, but they are not perfect. IT is far too early to say, and in some ways we will never know, if letting go of Moss was a mistake. If the Patriots win the Super Bowl this year that will make them immune to criticism. However anything less allows people to play the “what if they kept Moss” game. BTW Brady had nothing but good things to say about Moss.
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See my response to your earlier comment. Up there ^.
And I also agree with Esmurf’s comment. The second guessing will begin when the Pats get knocked out in the playoffs. What if indeed.
of course the second guessing will happen
Only one team wins the SB. If the pats fail to lose the SB question will have to be asked.
The fact is, it is hard as hell to win the SB.
DrewsLions was right and I was wrong. Stafford did in fact post a QB rating better than 89.7, he put up a 90.2 rating. I have not been happy about being wrong in so long!
Exactly, so why would Bill weaken his team chances?
I maintain he did not, because Moss is not who most people think he is.
Every time I watch Moss play, he is double covered.
He is a loss for the Pats. I just can’t believe otherwise.
DrewsLions was right and I was wrong. Stafford did in fact post a QB rating better than 89.7, he put up a 90.2 rating. I have not been happy about being wrong in so long!
Believe it man.
Cheatin’ Bill would not “cripple” his team for a third round draft pick. Period.
He is making his team better in the short and long term.
Addition by subtaction
It is an old saying in football and one that is difficult to get right.
As I said before, Moss was starting to talk in the media and show displeasure with his contract situation. His implosion while with the Vikes shows clearly he is missing what he did not realize he had in NE. Billy chose to move Moss before he dramatized their season with his same old same old.
If you are suggesting that one of the best coaches in the league does not covet a receiver that always draws double teams thus freeing up other players, You are flat wrong. Billy moved him because he does not need Moss as much as moss needed them, he was going to be gone after this season anyhow and moss still had value.
DrewsLions was right and I was wrong. Stafford did in fact post a QB rating better than 89.7, he put up a 90.2 rating. I have not been happy about being wrong in so long!
The Pats would have got a compensatory pick for him when he left in the offseason.
Probably at least a fourth rounder. Likely a third. The Pats got more value by this trade, but I suspect Bill saw that Randy was past it and that he had better options.
and with out a doubt, 100% of us are slightly insane.
We are Lions fans after all. You have to be a little off your rocker to love this team.
DrewsLions was right and I was wrong. Stafford did in fact post a QB rating better than 89.7, he put up a 90.2 rating. I have not been happy about being wrong in so long!
Get it right, we are fucking crazy, pure Michigan, Detroit Lions fans
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And now I just heard on 107.3 that Randy Moss IS going to be placed on waivers...today
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And someone else too...but I didn't catch it
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might be Merriman but ya the waiver wire goes out at 4 Eastern so 24 hours from now he will be FA if no one has claimed him
but i really doubt that happens
Randy Moss dogged it in NE & flat out f-ed around during those 2nd-stint Vikings games.
No bueno, the only reason I would take him is in the hopes defenders would watch him instead of Megatron.
Detroit is too far away from contending to:
A. Interest Moss in coming here
B. Take advantage of what little potential he has left.
It’s an amusing discussion, but ultimately a futile one.
I don’t want add player does not have blue collar mentality,
even if he is great player. Piston should not quit your job. - OK from J
by Skylar on Nov 2, 2010 5:15 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Yeah, it's not gonna happen...
But I think the FO should give it a bit more consideration than just “this isn’t fantasy football”. The main concern, in my opinion, is going to be team chemistry and what Randy Moss will do to it if we bring him in. he continues the circus, and he leaves shortly thereafter. I think there is no question that we would want him if we knew he would come in, shut up, and play hard.
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Some interesting insights, after reading this I don't want Moss, the guy seems mentally unstable
You also see the teams that are in the hunt for him. The Titans, Dolphins, Rams and I think one other can’t recall. As great of a player as Moss is, and as tempting as it is to go for him, I am now going to flip to the no go on thsi guy after reading this article. The guy seems like he is losing it, totally not the kind of guy we want around here, no matter how great he is on the field.
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Sure you guys read this, but...
in case you didn’t, this is being reported as the proverbial straw that broke the camel’s back:
Randy Moss, who was waived by the Minnesota Vikings on Tuesday, may have alienated some teammates when he was roundly critical of a post-practice meal in front of the local restaurant owners who catered it, Yahoo! Sports reported.
Every Friday, the Vikings invite a local establishment to cater the team’s post-practice meal. Last Friday, it was a St. Paul restaurant — a favorite of former Vikings center Matt Birk — that served chicken, pasta, ribs and other dishes.
While his teammates lined up to dig in, Moss lashed out, according to the report.
Moss yelled “What the [expletive]? Who ordered this crap? I wouldn’t feed this to my dog,” a player who witnessed the incident said, according to Yahoo! Sports.
Gus Tinucci, co-owner of Tinucci’s Restaurant and Catering, which provided the spread in question, confirmed the report to the St. Paul Pioneer Press.
“If [Brett] Favre would have had a ball, he would have beaned him right in the head. Favre looked at him like, ‘Are you kidding me?’ " Tinucci told the newspaper.
Yeah… excuse my french people, but if you think adding this guy to the Lions is a good idea, you must be out of your fucking mind.
And I’m out.
So if the guy has an opinion, and states it publically...
and that opinion is contrary to the status quo, then he must be mentally incompetent right? Excuse me, but this is the United States, and the man has a Constitutional right, not to mention a God given right, to say whatever he damn well pleases. If you, or anyone else out there, doesn’t like it, then don’t listen/read it. I hate it when a FOOTBALL player is judged based on his character, when it is his talent and ability that should be the main concern. Randy Moss has loads of both of the latter. I do not see the Lions signing him, but I take your words as a personal insult to my intelligence. I would be happy to have a FOOTBALL player like Randy Moss on the field on the side of the team that I cheer for…and for you to say that I must be out of my mind for having that opinion is ludicrous at best. In fact, it is just as ridiculous as if I were telling you that you must be a Communist or a terrorist because you DON’T want him on the team.
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Wow...
OK. You’re getting way too defensive right now, buddy. Calm down.
I’m sorry if I offended you in any way, shape or form. From your reaction, it seems I did. If your opinion is that Moss’ character issues are meaningless, then that’s fine, as I’m not the type of person to berate somebody for their opinion. Wish I could say the same for you.
In these United States, and with my Constitutional right, and as a matter of fact God given right, to voice my opinion, that being that putting an egotistical headcase like Moss in a locker room with as many young players as we have is foolish.
You have every God given right to disagree with me. But you don’t need to be a dick about it, man.
I just don't like being told I am out of my mind for having an opinion contrary to yours
And the being a dick thing seemed to me to be an equal push in the opposite direction.
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I wish people understood the whole "freedom of speech" thing
It keeps the government from going after your ass for saying something. You won’t find the expression “freedom of consequences” as it relates to free speech anywhere in our Constitution.
It is not abotu having an opinion, it is about having some humility and gratitiude for the privlage of playing football, Moss on the other hand clearly thinks that any team that has him is the privlaged ones
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It may seem that way
However, I think it is obvious that the guy does care. I bet if you could speak with people who know him well, that they would say “yeah, Randy can be an A-hole, but when it comes right down to it he always gets the job done when it matters the most”.
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The problem nate, is not that he cares
It is that A-Hole part. He acts out, like a little crybaby, to the detriment of the team, often. It is not the kind of thing you want on a team of young players.
Lets look at the negatives.
He takes plays off
Several teams have given up on him despite his talent
He runs one route, the 9 route
He has no regard for team mates and stepping on their toes
He has no sense of consequence when opening his mouth
He is on the downhill slide and likely only has a good year or two left
Now the positives
He runs the best 9 route in football
Well there you have it. IMO the bad far outweighs the good. Initially I wanted this guy, but once I started to dig deeper, everything I came across was another example of why not to want him on the Lions.
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P. S. Randy Moss just released a statement that if anyone claims him he might take the rest of the season off, if he does not like that team. He is a premadonna that can go take a freaking leap.
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He also runs the seam route
AND he can run every route…it’s not his fault that they only like to use him as a downfield threat.
Everyone takes plays off…you just notice Randy more because he is famous for it.
Jeff Fischer and company must be stupid…along with all of the other teams that were willing to take a shot.
No regard for teammates…but when he was accepted for who he was in NE he came out and put up 23 TDs…in one year.
We have players who could care less about consequences for their actions already…IE Raiola, CC Brown, Delmas…it’s just the bad boy image.
People thought Randy was on the downhill slide when he was with Oakland…and man they were wrong.
All I am saying is that anyone can argue your negative points…
Moss will not likely stick in Tennessee…they do not have a good enough QB,
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All kinda moot now
I can see both sides of it, and defer to Mayhew. If the Lions got him I would have supported it, since they didn’t then that was the right choice also. I am a bit surprised that the Chargers did not go for him, you would have thought he would have a field day with Phillip Rivers. Or the Colts, could you imagine Peyton Manning throwing to him?
Eh the negatives, the positives it don’t much matter. We all have our opinions on it but none of us will now know one way or the other if we would have been right or wrong.
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Shawn Merriman
Anybody think it might be a good idea to look at Shawn Merriman? With the the injuries we’ve had at LB anybody think it’s worth taking a look at him? Just thought I’d put that out there.
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